Dawson's Creek, S6 E1 & E2: Dawson and Joey Finally Do It

Well, it didn't take long for the final season of Dawson's Creek to close a viewer gap when Dawson and Joey finally hook up. But when Joey finds out that Dawson has someone he is "seeing" in L.A., things take a bad turn.

Audrey and Pacey return from their summer in California with a sleeping Jack Osbourne in the backseat -- and Katie spots a young Oliver Hudson guest role.

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Transcript

Season Six Premiere Reactions

Grams In Class And Learning Styles

Pacey’s Look And Joey’s Professor

Joey Versus Dawson’s LA Romance

New Apartment Energy And Jen’s Role

Unanswered Questions And Sign Off

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Hello everyone and welcome back to Generation in Between the Zennial podcast where we are re-watching Dawson's Creek and we have made it to the final season. See, this is wild. I'm giggling, guys, because Katie comes in every week with something different with her show notes. This one's written with a Sharpie and or maybe a Crayola marker and a loose leaf piece of paper. I think it was a Crayola marker. Last week it was an envelope. So here's the deal. I just grab whatever's closest to me and jot. I know I should have one notebook, but the problem is, and I've tried that, I've I've found some of these notebooks. How dare you get on to me about not journaling when you can't even have a notebook for Dawson's Creek? I know. Well, the problem is if it's 4 a.m. and I don't know where that notebook is, I just gotta grab whatever's near me. So now I'm just like, I don't even try. What could I do? You ask? Did I? Is the night before I could find organization. But instead, I sit down at 4 30 in the morning and I go, Oh, here's a piece of loose leaf paper from my fifth grader's binder for math. And then here's a little marker, and here we go. You know, it's so funny to me how like, you know, um, everybody's anxiety manifests different. So one of my things with anxiety is like preparing, like I to in order to do a task, I have to have everything set up correctly most of the time. But yours is different because you're like, no, I'm gonna jump right in and get started. I don't I right? Yeah. Because I like have to, if I don't have if I don't know where this is, I panic because I'm like, that's where my notes go. Yeah. And I will set it there. I make sure I schedule, I write it down when I'm gonna do it. Well, I mean, we we squeeze it in when we can. It's just funny to me how brains, because even though Katie and I both struggle with anxiety stuff, it presents so different. So differently. So different. It's so funny. I have anxiety. No, I will say I prep for a lot of things. This is clearly not one. Well, no, but I'm just saying, that's what I mean. But like I I do like I always make sure my coffee's pre-made, and if I know I'm working out, I have all that stuff laid out. Like things like that. But for some reason, Dawson's Creek just doesn't make that. Dawson's Creek early in the morning just doesn't make my list. Well, anything. I'm I ain't doing shit at 4 a.m. except sleeping. Or hoping I'm asleep. It's kind of fun because it's quiet. Yeah, but it's early. I've got a little sleepover by myself. I need to get out more. Then you then by like nine though, aren't you so tired? No, not really. 9 p.m., yes. That's what I mean. I'm dead asleep. How do you go to bed at nine? How do you like that's my thing? Like, how do you even get in bed asleep at nine? You have too much shit going on. I mean, I usually don't. I can't go to bed at six. I can't fall back. What are you? She's like, I'm a nine. Actually, no, I'm never, I'm usually not there. I'm not that I'm tired. You said you're in bed. Yeah. I wish you'd be like, all right, let's get into going. It doesn't matter. Maybe tonight. Maybe season six, final season, episode one is called The Kids Are Alright. Uh, an end of summer reunion in Boston reignites Dawson and Joey's summering romance. Okay, what is this weird bullshit intro that they had? It was so strange. And right away they tell us that Joey didn't go to Paris. Yeah. And I'm immediately bummed out of my mind. She did this whole weird, like Joey's talking. Like, oh, you may be wondering. And it's like very like clueless vibes. It is. You may be wondering what happened this summer. And then it's like, but she talks about music. Not just her. And then I was like, wait, did this season is Joey narrating? And then I'm like, no, they just did it for that one part for the intro. That's it. Weird. It was weird. I don't know. So we do learn quickly that she did not go to Paris, and somehow we're supposed to believe that this quiet Capeside summer she had was just as good. Um she was reading books. There was this LA montage. Did you see that where like Pacey and Audre are in the car and it's like all this like light up stuff behind them? Um, and then I put dumped by email. Who got dumped by email? Jack. Oh, Jack by that guy. Because they had to end that guy's summari. Yeah, so he started dating the Eric guy. Yeah. And then the joke was that he left Jack for someone hotter and younger. Which was kind of a funny joke. Um, and then okay, so the in the intro's done. And then Jack Osborne has a cameras. Well, this was during the Osborne reality show. So they So they must have just been fans of Dawson's Creek and he just got on the show. Who knows? I think that was when he was trying to get into acting. Maybe. I mean, it was funny. It was so random. It was random. And it was a reach, I think. It was a reach. I'm like, oh, he's asleep in the back seat. And the whole time I'm thinking it's her movie stuff. I thought it was a dog boyfriend. Oh. I thought it was the ex-boyfriend. Oh, that would make more sense than a dog. And then it was Jack Osborne. So it was weird. I don't know. And then Graham's is in school with Jen, and I was like, being in school at Graham's age is my nightmare. I hate school. Yes. You know what's funny? I said, doesn't watching this make you want to go back to college? Well, I loved college when I was in college. It was making me want to go. And maybe it was because of Graham's. But I was like, I want to go to an art history. But it's not the same as when you're young and can just be in college. But I think my thought process was I think I would enjoy it more because I didn't let myself enjoy it then. Same anxiety thing. I was so worried about doing it right and getting done as quickly as I could and doing all the things that like I didn't enjoy being in class. I didn't like enjoy the process. Oh, I had so much fun in college, but not in class. Now my sister is like, her and I are very opposite. She loves school. She has a bunch of degrees, and I she would be in school the rest. She loves it. Yeah. Now listen, I like learning new things. Sure. But I don't like doing it in a school setting. Like I can't, my poor youngest, he hates school. He's always hated it, but he's very smart and he does well in school, but he doesn't enjoy it. And I get it. And I'm always like, you have to go. Like, you gotta check the box, get the paper. That doesn't mean you have to, I mean, be in a classroom to learn. I don't like sitting in a classroom hearing it. I'm also a slow learner. So like I never I always had to do so much more outside of a classroom on my own to make sure I got it in my brain. Right. That's been my whole life. I I and I'm not really sure. I think I don't know what that is. That's just the way my brain is. I just have to do well, I mean, pretty sure I have ADD. That's fine. But I I think besides that. I think what I was thinking too is like without all that pressure. I mean, obviously going to be a good thing. But you can learn anytime you want. Like put on a podcast, like get a TED talk happening, read some books, you know, all those things. Go to a but being in an actual class, like workshop. I like workshops, but I like workshops that are like hands-on, especially like when I if there if I were to do like a fitness CE, I much prefer videos where we're doing things and like because I have to do most of mine from my house. But like sitting in a classroom and taking oh, but my sister loves it. Apparently, Katie wants to be Grams. I would love to be Grams. In all her free time, go get another degree. There you go. It's funny because I've toyed with like getting my MFA ever since I got my original degree. And every time it is, I'm like, no, I got this, I got that. And it's fine, I've done fine without it. I ended up getting like an it like that certificate from NYU, which was great. That was like a good little like I could do it from home. It was low commitment level as far as school, and it I learned a lot. Right, right. And that like scratched the edge. I was like, okay, and now I have the certification and yada yada. But I don't know if the MFA desire will ever go away. Anyway, well, wait till wait till little time. I got enough other people going to college right now. Okay, wait. I do not need to return myself. I mean, you'll be there, but anyway, let's see. Casey's facial hair. What do we think about this? Okay, I am not a huge facial hair person. I'm either. But I like his hair hair in this episode. His hair is good. It's cute. Yeah, it's fluffy. I don't love facial hair. I just it bot it I don't know. It's not my thing. Yeah. I didn't like it. I just thought because he's his face is so cute. I don't know. It was like covering his face. They're trying to make it look older. They were. Okay. I know. All the boys good. And that he had like a rough and tumble summer or something. I don't know. I'm not sure that that's he wasn't like cattle herding. I don't know. Anyway. He was in Los Angeles. This new professor, we got another professor that Joey's interacting with. Would he know her financial aid status? No. He's like, Well, you are here on a da-da-da-da-da-scholarship episode. I mean, he could look it up, I guess. Really? I mean, probably. That whole thing was weird. It was weird. He's anyway. Oh, my only other note for this episode, because we have to breeze through. Whoever's out there that gets irritated when our episodes are short, sorry, we have lives that are busy and sometimes we have tech problems, which we had today. We could also just do one episode. Yeah, we we watched them both watch them. Uh no, my final thing was I said, and there you go, Joey and Dawson finally do it. Finally. Finally. My other note was oh my god, young Oliver Hudson. Who's Oliver Hudson? Kate Hudson's brother, Goldiehan's son. He was the boy in class who um raises his hand about the book. Oh, that's him. That's Oliver Hudson's. Yeah, I don't even know who that'd be. Yeah, that's Kate Hudson's brother and Goldiehan's son. Okay, wow, look at that. And he's adorable. And he's been in a bunch of stuff since then. So I did not know that he's so young there, and he's got good hair too. He does have good hair. Um, yeah. They finally do it. Yeah, they finally do it. I can't believe it. That was it. All right. So I did say Jen's a sophomore. I didn't even know she was in school. She's actually college that Jack that uh Jack goes to. I also said John. Who's that? I don't know. I thought she just worked at the radio and girl. All right, anyway. Okay, season six, episode two, the song remains the same. Dawson's efforts to woo Joey are upended by the news of his summertime romance in LA. Whoo, this was a lot. It was. I felt this because I remember being this age and this happening to me. Really? Or me doing this to someone. Like where it's like particularly this boyfriend I had in high school, we went to different schools, so then if we were home on a break or whatever, sometimes things would get romantic again. Oh my god, I love how she didn't. And then he'd be like, instead of her saying we would hook up, she said things would get romantic again. Correct. That too. And he would and then he'd be like, Oh, and I'm talking to blah blah blah. And it would be like someone I knew dagger and the heart. Yeah. So I felt it. Well, you know, I am a jealous bitch, so like there ain't no time. I can't handle that either. Now, granted, I understand both sides of the coin though. Because Joey's right, he had no business hooking up with her. Yeah. And they he's like, Well, I broke up with her the next day. Well, that makes it worse. Right. Which is what she said. Agreed. Because then that's on her. But in his brain, I mean, and they're young. But like that's what I mean. They're young. I still, like, I'm telling you, even when I was young, I'm still I was still a jealous monogamy person. I can't handle, I can't handle that. Uh PC as a stockbroker. Yeah. I said, who wrote this storyline? Who wrote this? Also, wait, for a second. I we've we've said this before, but it's always funny to me when they have the morning sex montage. Yes. Because I'm like, from Fitbird. This is what I wrote. Oh no. Remember what you're gonna say. I said the memories of when morning sex was magical and not annoying. Not annoying. I mean that kind of sums it up, actually. Well, I'm just talking about because now we worry about lighting, like you know, and like or a second I wake up, I'm like, oh my god, I gotta do it. All the stuff to do, who's awake already that might be hearing things. Yes. Or the is there a pet gnawing at the door for you know, all the things you don't have to worry about when you're young. Yes. And not having people you're responsible for. That. Yes. And he brought coffee back to the room, which was cute, and a little note on the pillow. I I don't know how people sleep through people getting up, getting dressed, walking out, closing a door. I know you do, but I would be awake the second his foot hit the floor. So when I went to New York this last week with Sarah, oh yeah, um, I was like the coffee getter. So I would just ask her before she went to bed. I'm like, I'm gonna be up early, so what do you want? And she would give me her order, and I don't think I woke her up. I would leave, I'd go get us coffee, I'd come back, and eventually she'd wake up and her coffee and breakfast was there. Well, hello. I know. All right, Sarah. Sounds like you got a nice little deal. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I did too. Like, she she was a good roommate, and we helped each other with the different chaperone groups that we had, which was nice. I was like, that trip sounds fun. I was like, except they had to be in charge of kids, no, thank you. My kids were great. Honestly, but you like kids, but all the kids were they're teens, I guess. And they were like respectful and fine and yeah, they're teens. So they were fine. Um, all right, so I wrote cool apartment with a cool, edgy British chick. Seems a bit formulaic. I was like, they're just trying too hard a little with some things. Yeah, I love the spiral staircase in the living room. It was, but I'm like, they're just trying too hard to make this season like edgy, and yeah. Yeah and like the and the lesbians who are trying to get the apartment. Like, I don't know. It was just funny. I know, I know. And I said, Jen, as a peer counselor, I said, actually, that's a good idea for her. I think so too. And I think she goes back to it. She I hope she does. I think she does. I mean, I get why she felt it was a little cheesy and not her speed, yeah, the way it was presented, but I think she'd be a good one. Um, Dawson's house, full ass house on a sound stage. If I didn't know from our James Vanderbeek episode that it is a real house, I know, I would have thought, oh, this must be the sound stage where they've always recorded it. But no, right, it was a set version. Obviously, probably not the whole house, but that was fun to see that. And they and they were like, Yeah, we wanted it to be a typical American house. And I'm like, what? Like, that's a typical American house. No. Maybe, yeah, maybe one you would want to have. Um, okay, when Audrey is talking about the potential hot British roommate, she goes to Pacey, she hates you too much. I don't trust it. Oh, I love that quote. I'm getting water. You go. Okay. Uh, the only other thing I had was of course, Dawson and Joey have to have some kind of push-pull drama. It would not be Dawson's Creek without we were like, oh yay! And then it's like, just kidding. Dramatics, totally. And I actually said, girl calling Dawson thoughts. I mean, we already kind of talked about it. It's uh it's tricky, and I think especially because they had sex. I love how oh, she whispered it because there's a kid here now. Maybe someone's talking out there, but I think that's worse. Like if they had just kissed or even spent the night together, and then he was like, Oh, I'm kind of talking to someone. But the fact that for them, such a loaded thing happened, but she's doesn't mention it. Yeah, he should have told her. Yeah, he should have said, Hey, I've been kind of sort of dating somebody, but I'm gonna call it. And also this whole kind of back and forth when they weren't, um, when they said something about um how they hadn't talked all summer. Yeah, that was weird. I thought that was odd. And then and then when he sees her, he's like, You know why I didn't call you? Because you said the thing about how our relationship is perfect, and I agreed, and I just wanted to meditate on that and not mess it up. And I was like, that is the dumbest excuse for not calling someone I've ever heard in my whole life. Yeah, what agreed you're talking about. Agreed. But then she didn't call him either, so I know it goes both ways. It does. I am excited about this season. I know. I think we've made it to the end, and I can't believe it. Did Grams marry Mr. Smalls? We don't know yet. Why did they go to Vegas? Don't know. We don't know. I thought maybe that's what she was. I thought too, and then it was no, I'm going to your art history class. Right. Okay. Well we will remain on uh the edge of our seats, and um, we will see you next time for the next installment of season six. Yes.