Dawson's Creek S5, E23: Second to Last Finale

We've reached the end of Season 5 in our rewatch of Dawson's Creek and everyone has somewhere to go (but not everyone actually goes those places). The early 2000's airport nostalgia of this one took us back -- and we disagreed a bit on Jen's decision to skip Costa Rica.

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SPEAKER_00 0:02

Okay, hello everyone, and welcome back to our Dawson's Creek rewatch. We are on this season finale of season five. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

One more season to go in.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

We're gonna enter, we're gonna start watching the last season next week or week after we're gonna be a little bit more. Yeah, probably a week or two. Yeah. Um, so let's jump right in and chat about it. Uh the title of this episode is Swan Song. Um, and here's the summary All the best laid summer plans are thrown into disarray as everyone collides at the airport.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Yeah. It felt very love actually to me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And also around this time that movie Um Crash came out. Did you ever see that movie? Yeah. Where all their stories kind of intersected. And anytime that happens at like an airport or a travel place, I don't know. I just feel like there should be maybe there is like a genre for that. Yeah. It's like a very specific thing. Yeah. Where people are leaving, but then they don't leave. And they do what you hate, which is when they're all like, we've got these big plans. Just kidding, we're not going anywhere. I hate that. And everyone did that in this episode. Not Joey at the end. Not Joey at the end.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

She just fucking goes, decides to go to Paris on a whim.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Well, I was sort of annoyed, and this is jumping ahead a little bit. When she could buy a ticket to anywhere, she says Milwaukee. And the guy's like, Milwaukee. She's like, just kidding, Paris. I'm like, you're just gonna buy a fake ticket to Paris?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

That is gonna be so expensive.

Airport Ensemble Chaos And Nostalgia

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Even if it's refundable. Come on. Yeah. That was really weird. But then it made sense at the end because she's actually, I guess, gonna go to Paris.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

But isn't it funny though, watching this and thinking how like this was so long ago and how different airports are now. Oh, yeah. Well, especially right now, currently. Right now, right now. But before 9-11, like this, you could just walk in an airport, walk all around, yeah, go up to a gate, run around.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Run around. That's what they did. Good. That is how much running around did they do? And then Pacey getting on that intercom. He paid like bribing a security guard. That's scary. Well, when you think about it, but that is what he did. I know. Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting, if nothing else, from a nostalgic throwback to that.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

It's just wild because I'm like, man, that like you could just go meet people at the gate when they got off a flight. Yeah. And that is no more.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

No more. Cannot do that now. Um, oh, that opening intro. I said, very love actually feeling. What is this? Oh, what it turns out to be a dream.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

I knew it was his dream because I was like, wait a minute. Because in the in the last the last episode of this series altogether, they are grown. Like they are grown. And so I got confused and I was like, wait a minute, was the whole last season they're grown-ups? And then I remembered, oh wait, no, no, no. I bet you he's dreaming. And sure enough, he was dreaming. He was dreaming.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

And she had a fiance in the dream who was an environmental lawyer. And he they just happened to run into each other and he thinks about her all the time. And then this is when I started to realize it was a dream even before he woke up. When she turns around and she's like, You're like ridiculous. Like, drop this act. Don't you think it's time to get over me or whatever? And I was like, What? And I was like, Oh, he's having a nightmare. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

But well, what okay. Although I was annoyed because the end of the last episode, she was going to go talk to her dad. They never address it. Oh, yeah, you're right. She goes to the five and dine. Yeah. And they never said anything about it. I forgot about that. This whole episode, I kept waiting. Nothing. They said nothing.

Dream Cold Open And Loose Ends

SPEAKER_01 3:24

That's really annoying. So what the fuck happened? Are we gonna find out next season? I don't know. I hope so. Otherwise, why did they do all that? That's what I'm saying. How stupid was that? Or did they just like want to leave it up for your own interpretation? But that does that's not the show. That's not this show. I know. Like it was totally forgot about that. Um I was a little confused a couple times during the show if they were in Boston or Capeside.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

I literally wrote that because the frat guy like just shows up and he's like, Oh, I'm just gonna live here for the summer. I'm like, Capeside or Boston? Because surely Capeside does not have a big airport. Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

But then he um Dawson's like with his mom and sister. Right. And then Audrey and Joey are leaving the bed and or Audrey and Dawson are leaving the bed in breakfast.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

What does that have to do with like they're leaving to go to the air? Well, now they were in Capeside, but I'm like, were they driving from Capeside to Boston to the airport?

SPEAKER_01 4:18

That that's what I mean. I don't know. And and is Pacey a security guard in Boston or Capeside? In Capeside, because he was the security guard at the place Joey works. Because she's gonna work at the yacht. So we've got that part figured out. I we have no fucking idea where that airport is. Because Capeside surely Boston, I would assume. Right? I know because then Jack and Jen were there and they're in Boston. They didn't go back to Capeside. Right? Oh yeah. And then Graham's and her boyfriend. Whatever they're doing. They about to go to Vegas, so Vegas. And she didn't want Jen to know. Just saying.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

What's she doing, Graham?

Boston Or Capeside Logic Check

SPEAKER_01 4:55

What you doing, Graham's? Uh to no good. So Pacey and the security outfit. I just wrote that down. I don't know why. It was good. And it was funny when Joey's like, or was it Jen? Said, Why do you look like someone from the village people? I thought that was really funny. Um then let's see, Audrey calling it the best year of her life. I know. She's talking to Joey. Aww. She's like, don't say anything to mess it up. I know. This was the best year of my life. And I really think this season was good. I did like this season. But one of the things they got really, really well done this season was that friendship. I know. Was Audrey and Joey. And like, you don't have to hate your college roommate or fight. Like, they end up like liking the same guy kind of through the thing, and it's fine. And I thought that they did that really well. Did you have a random college roommate? I did have a random college roommate. I did roommate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Did y'all get along?

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Um, yes. She met a guy at a party one of the first nights we were there, and he became her boyfriend, and he lived in a house, so I barely ever saw her.

Audrey And Joey Friendship Plus Roommates

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Well, I I randomly I had a random roommate as well, and we got along just fine. She ended up pledging my sorority the next year. And but again, she had a boyfriend too and was like never. And we lived together the next year as well in a different dorm, but she was like never there because she had an older boyfriend who was in a different city. Oh wow. Not far away, like 30 minutes away. So she was always there. Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

That was basically with mine too. Like we didn't do a lot together. And then I became really good friends with other people in my hall who I ended up pledging the same sorority with a couple of them. And then my sophomore year got a house with some of them. And then my junior year, I moved into an apartment with a couple of them. And I stayed in that apartment for three years because I was here for five years. Yeah. So when some of those friends graduated, I just got new roommates. Yeah. And all of those roommates I got along with fine.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

And I only had one roommate that uh was not good. I after I lived, I lived in the dorm for two years, and then I lived in an apartment for the other time. And it was a three-bedroom apartment. And when I first moved in, we all got along great. And then we uh one of the girls moved out and we needed another roommate. And or was it did two of them move out? Anyway, I don't know. She moved in, but she had a boyfriend and he was there all the time. And like our apartment was so small, and he was always there. Like he was there so much he paid her part of her rent. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

And that was but he's not actually a roommate, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:23

And we didn't want a boy there all the time. Like we were three girls. We didn't want, like, of course, we had visitors, but like we didn't want one living with us. And and they like they acted like an old married couple. They are married, by the way, happily, and they're doing very well. Well, that's good. And um, they have the cutest boys. Um, but anyways, so that did not go well, and it did not end. We had like she moved out, and plus we were still in, like, she was younger than us by a year, and he was my age, but they uh acted like they were like an old married couple, and so they were home and went to bed early, and we were like college, we were out partying, we have people over partying, and they did not like that, so it just did not mesh.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

I get that, I get that. I kind of had that in the house I was in my sophomore year because one well, both of the people I live with were in relationships, but one she had a girlfriend who didn't go to our school and would come just stay with us for like weeks at a time. Yeah, see, yeah. So we'd all be going to class or partying or going to work, and this person was just all your space out of your space because they didn't have their own place because they lived somewhere else. Right. And so that again, like it just adds stress, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

And yeah, and I mean he they were fine, like he was fine. It wasn't like he was a jerk or anything, right? She was the same situation. Yeah. It was not, we were not on the same in the same which is hard life level.

Jen Chooses Closure Over Costa Rica

SPEAKER_01 8:50

When one, you're young and two, you're in like a small living space with other people. Well, and then like and like we it was three girls living together. We didn't want no boy up in there. Right, right. And even there was another girl, but it was just somebody that but still it it's in your space in your zone. It's not meant for that many people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Anyway, anyway, okay, moving on. Um, so what was the point of seeing Pacey's boss on the boat with the girl? I have no idea. It was gross. It was weird. I mean, just to point out again that he's kind of a jerk. Or or was it for Pacey to be like, I don't want to be like that? I don't know. I don't know. And realize how much he like valued Audrey, maybe. I don't know. That was weird. I didn't like that. Um I think that Dawson should not have guilted Jen into going to see her parent. I was so mad when Jen and Jack didn't go to Costa Rica. No, I think she made the right choice.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Really? I didn't. Oh, I didn't. Well, here's why I'm gonna say that. Considering that I have two parents that are dead. You I think she hadn't tried to have closure for herself. And like Graham said, like it might be your, you know, not irreplaceable, like what'd she say? Graham said that their relationship might be irredeemable or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

But I think that Jen in the back of her head wasn't sure yet. And I think she needed, I think she just needed to have that either for confirmation or at least to know she did as an adult, because she's an adult, even though she's still a kid, she's at that weird zone for herself. I'm glad she did that because I think I think she just needed to have that for herself to know, okay. Well, I tried. Yeah. I tried. I tried to like maybe they are trying, and I can't remember what ends up happening. Yeah, I don't remember if it ends up being good or bad, but at least like they were trying to extend an olive branch and say, we want you to come home. They were trying.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Yeah. I guess. I don't know. I just wanted them to go to Costa Rica.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

But I mean, you know, she's what, 19? She can go to Coca Crisic at some point. But she may not have another her parents may not open that door enough for her again. That's true. That's true. And at least, at least if she goes and it's terrible, she'll be like, Well, I tried. That's true. She'll have an answer. Yes. Because there's nothing worse than not having that like closure time, like knowing that, you know, even with like relationships or anything, like non-family things, to be like, damn, I should have X, Y, Z, you know. So I'm glad she did.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Although I don't understand what the fuck Jack's doing. That's what I was gonna say. He's just saying to help the other guy. He's supposed to be like mentoring him or something.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

Now, why would this guy randomly be like, they've gotta be in Boston? Because then that would make sense that he would come back to live where he's going to school for the summer. Yeah, that makes sense. Like live for the summer where he's going to school in the fall.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

Yeah. They must be in Boston. They've gotta be. But Jack's whole reason for staying is to help this guy.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

I mean, I guess I guess maybe Jack's I guess he's feeling like that guy has nobody else and he feels bad for him and wants to just. I mean, I guess I get it, but like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Yeah, and I mean, I guess once Jen wasn't gonna go, he's not gonna go by himself. I don't know. Um I just thought that was a weird way to say Jack's staying in Boston. I said abandoning Costa Rica so fast. Question mark. And also everyone makes these decisions at the airport.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

But I feel like I feel like Jen was never fully on board with the Costa Rica.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

I think you're probably right. I think you're probably right.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

And the fact that then their flight gets delayed and all that, like, yeah. But the one thing I did say, good for Dawson for not staying back for Joey. Yeah, that was good because they always be fucking that up. And he said, I'm going, and she said, You need to go.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Good.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

No, I liked that. I thought that was really good. And then I thought it was fun that um Pacey and Audrey are gonna take a road trip all the way to California in that car.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

How'd she get all her baggage back?

SPEAKER_01 12:58

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

That's what I wonder. Like, these are the things I wonder because the airport is so different now. Like she had all her luggage, but I'm like, it was already on a plane. How'd she get it? How'd she get it?

SPEAKER_01 13:08

And nowadays, if you don't get on the plane, they'll take your luggage off. Yeah. But I don't think that would have been the I don't know. But that's cute that they're doing a road trip. So do you remember if between season five and season six the summer just passes and then we hear about it? No. Or do we get to see the summer unfolding? No clue.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

I don't remember much about the last season, except I do remember what happens at the end.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Okay. And it's like a full 2020. Fucking sad. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Yeah, it's fucking sad. Okay. Yeah.

Season Five Verdict And What’s Next

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Well, I guess we're gonna find out. I liked season five. I thought it was fun. I like it being in Boston. Um, I love the addition of Audrey as a character. I just thought it was it was different and fun.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

And I will say, she's not in the finale, and she is still upset about that to this day.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Oh that part alone is gonna be sad.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Kevin Williamson came back to write the finale. Yeah. And yeah. And I mean, I don't blame her. I'd be salty too.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Yeah, she's an amazing character, and also like she's part of the storyline right now.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

But he did apologize to her. She did tell him like years later. Yeah. And he did, she he apologized. So that's good.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

That's good. I know. All right. Well, um, thanks for sticking with us for season five. One more. One more season. I can't believe it.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Almost done with Dawson.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Um, and then we'll move on to some other fun things. Oh, I can't wait. My so-called life. I'm excited because I've never seen that. Oh, Dawson's like I've seen maybe not every episode. Well, by the end of this, I will have. But um, my so-called life, I've never watched. It's it's so good. I'm really excited.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

You want to talk about nostalgia, you just wait.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Oh, I can't wait. It's gonna be and I saw that. It looks like it's an emergency. No, I don't know who that is. All right, well, good whoever that is. We will see you next time for season six of Dawson's Creek. All right, bye. Bye.