Dawson's Creek S5, E17 & E18: Band Road Trips & The "Number"

The "Boston season" continues as we discuss Dawson's Creek, Season 5, Episodes 17 and 18, where the writers of the show continue to try to make Joey a frontwoman/singer. It's also Lily's first birthday celebration and we see some sketches that actually look pretty good. 

We also discuss if you should discuss your "number" with new partners. Find out what WE think -- and listen in to all of our Dawson's Creek episodes. 

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Joey As Lead Singer Debate

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome back everyone to our Dawson's Creek rewatch here on Generation in Between. We are re-watching season five currently, and we are going to talk about episodes 17 and 18 today. So episode I know getting along. We're getting there. Season uh five, episode 17 is titled Highway to Hell. Uh I have so many thoughts about this episode. Okay. Yeah. As Audrey and Pacey join Joey for a road trip to perform with Charlie's band, Dawson's return to Capeside reveals some new info about his mom's life and his own romance with Jen. Alright. Yeah. So my first thing I wrote. Joey, the lead singer of a rock band.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

I know. I was like, I I actually had to stop for a second and I was like, was Katie Holmes trying to get into music around this time? Or I think so. Keep reintroducing this concept. And she she has an okay voice, but like well, it's not a rock band voice. Not at all. Yeah, she yeah, like, and then that was proven in the scene she does.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

And then she sings, that's her singing at the end of the episode. Yeah. And I was like, ugh. Okay. Not that she sings bad. I'm just saying her voice doesn't that was a more appropriate song for her voice than a rock band song. Agree. Agree. We all have things we can sing and cannot sing.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

So do you think that Charlie really thought she would make the band better, or do you think it's because he has a crush on her?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

That yeah. But also, I mean, it's probably just oh, we need a singer, you sing.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Let's go. Yeah. But they had Audrey. Audrey sang. I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

And I'm like, she would have been better fit.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

And she made the comment. She's like, oh, okay, well, I guess they like you better than me. I'm chop liver or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Like, but I love though how Audrey's always just like, okay, yay, I'm gonna come cheer for you instead of being pissed about it. I love that about her too. Because I don't think at her age I would have been mature enough to be like I would have been butthurt about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Even now I'd be like, why'd they ask you to sing? Oh, you would? Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Oh, on the inside, not on the outside. Yeah, probably just on the inside.

unknown 2:07

I don't know.

Audrey’s Support And Band Dynamics

SPEAKER_00 2:09

I couldn't see you being like that, but I guess you'd probably not say that. Right. Like if a rock band came to me instead of you.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

I mean, I actually probably wouldn't care about that. Oh, okay. I wouldn't know. But but see, that's different because I am the Katie Holmes in this situation. It would not make sense. I would not make sense in a rock band. But you'd be the Audrey.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

I see.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

So if they asked you, I wouldn't be but I wouldn't be butthird about it now.

unknown 2:36

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

I wouldn't be because I don't like I don't like to sing by myself in front of people for long extended periods. True. But she only sang for like three minutes that we saw. Oh, they sang five songs.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

With no practice, and she just knew the lyrics to every song they picked up.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

And they left an hour after he asked her to go. Although that is a whole sermon on being young.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

And then when I mean this is later in the episode, but when they're like, well, we'll just stay in the motel. I'm like, okay. Like for me to stay overnight anywhere that isn't my house. I have so much shit.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

I have so much shit.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Like I was hoping to do that tonight to go see a show in Gainesville, even by myself, and I was like, yeah, no.

Impulse Trips And Real-Life Logistics

SPEAKER_00 3:13

No. She had asked me to go in at first. And this is this is like one of my personality um not good traits because I am extroverted. People will ask me, and it's I'll be like, I say yes instantly because everything sounds fun and awesome. But then like I I used to stress Tori out so bad before we had kids because people would ask us to do stuff, and I would immediately say yes, or I'd be like, we'd be out one night, and then they'd be like, Oh, do y'all want to come with this? Whatever. And he's an introvert, he's got a recharge, and I'd be like, yes, yes. And then then he's like, Okay, but you need to realistically think about this. And then like the wind comes out of my sails, and I'm like, Yeah, oh yeah, that probably not gonna happen. Yeah, reality.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

My husband's the same way, and he drives me nuts because he'll be I'll be like, Oh, sure, yeah, I'll be there for that thing to the person I'm talking to, and he'll be like, No, you won't because we've got a blah blah blah with the kids. And I'm like, Okay, well, maybe I will. He's like, No, because you're gonna be at this place at that time, and I'm like, Okay, and then later he'll be like genuinely like I don't know why you're mad at me. You can't go do that thing. I'm just telling you, and I'm like, Yeah, you have a point, but like, let me figure it out myself. I know he's like, Well, I'm just trying to save you from having to like deal with that. To be like, oh shit, I'm sorry. Right, right, yeah, yeah. But anyway, it happens keep going.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

I said it's hard, it was hard to watch James Vanderby being so young and healthy in this episode. I know, it was hard, it was hard.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

He looked so great too, like so just like right in that pocket where you're not a teenager anymore, but you're that young adult, like looking mature, looking looking healthy, just all the things. This was this and he wasn't even really in these two episodes that much. I guess the second one a little more sad. Yeah, I was, but uh it was like instant dagger in the heart each time he came on and was like talking, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

And I'm sure I like I can't imagine how hard that is for his family. So anyway, um, moving on to something less sad. Do you remember doing road trips without GPS? Yes, okay. Do you remember printing out pages and pages of fucking map quests? Map quests. I remember being in my college computer lab printing out road trip directions to Graceland. Stop right now. Get out of here. And it was four of us driving to Graceland. I don't even remember how far it was in my Volkswagen Beetle, which by the way, has no fucking trunk space. So, and we're college girls, we had so much shit. The girls on the back had their duffel bags on their laps. I don't even know. Oh my god. Yeah, and then remember how if MapQuest did not account for like some kind of detour or road construction, it was like panic.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Panic, because then you're like, what do I do now?

SPEAKER_01 5:58

And it really had no way to know because it's not like now where the real time, it was like this is what we know from whatever. I would we printed them out when we f well, we flew to Miami from Indiana and drove to Key West. Oh wow. So we had map quests to like our hotel and then like all the different places in the keys we were trying to go to, and then back from the hotel, and it was a whole thing. Yeah, it's crazy. When I first moved to Orlando in 2007, I was using MapQuest still. So to like get to like different places, I would print out a paper. Print out a paper, and then and then you're like people, you know, say we get distracted by our phones and stuff, but you're like got paper. How do you turn the paper as opposed to just like look glancing at your phone to see what it tells you or your screen?

SPEAKER_00 6:47

It's so crazy to think how did we like do it? And I still I suck at reading maps. Oh my god. And it is you're probably good at it, huh?

Dawson Grapples With Gail Dating

SPEAKER_01 6:55

I'm pretty good at it. My my dad is still a map person, so he does use GPS, but like from the work he would do, going to different houses and different places, he's got he's really good at reading maps. So that's how I learned. I am bad at it.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

My husband's good at it because he was a pilot. Doug.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Makes sense. I would have been a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

But he would get so frustrated, like back in the day, and we'd be looking at a map, and my brain just like goes, There's too many lines, there's too many numbers, and like the whole scale thing where you have oh, it just I can't. It's just too much. Too much, guys.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

Yeah, maps.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Um all right, what do you got?

SPEAKER_01 7:28

I have so much. I said to you that I thought was was this the one with the numbers? No, that's the next one. The numbers Audrey's number. Oh, that's the actual one. That's the next one, sorry. What do you think about um Gail having Nathan?

SPEAKER_00 7:44

I feel bad for Dawson because I've been there. Uh I feel for him because I mean, I don't even know how much time has passed. Yeah, because the baby's almost is one. And Mitch passed after the baby was born. But it's not that long.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

It's not, no, it's not. I'm just saying, like time-wise, maybe nine months.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Figure it out. Well, not really because he went to school or he dropped out of school, and then he well, I don't know. It doesn't matter. It it doesn't matter how long it's been, it's my point. But yeah, because especially because his parents were still married. So I rem I can remember when my parents divorced and they started dating both of them. It was the weirdest thing. I hated it so much. Um, even though, like, I mean, it was evident my parents were unhappy in their marriage, but still, like, when you're a kid, no matter how old you are, you have that hope that your parents will figure it out. And I remember when they both started dating, it was the it's the weirdest. If you've never had to experience that, it's very strange. And and then when my dad died, they were divorced and he was engaged, which was super fucking weird. Um, and that was a whole other weird thing because then it's like, oh, well, now there's no hope for y'all to get back together. And then my mom had this boyfriend who's a fucking tool. And anyway, right.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

So you feel for him, like you said, no matter how old you are.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Yeah, because yeah, and for instance, in my stuff that I don't be listening to my podcast, I'ma say he has a girlfriend now. My mom just died in the summer.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Uh they were married when she died.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

They were married when she died, and he started dating a friend of hers like a month after she passed. And they're old, and I know elderly people do their things. But I'm a grown-ass lady, and it's still hard.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

And I have no problem talking about this because he knows this. Um, he brought her here to Disney World for a vacation, which was a little weird because my mom loved Disney and he was like, Well, her and I I won't say her name because it's her business, but he's like, We were gonna come down and he wanted to stay with us for a few days, and I was honest with him, and I said, I'm be honest, like for me and my family, having her stay in the room where my mom slept not that long ago is very weird, and I'm not I can't do that. I said, if you want to meet for dinner, I will meet with y'all for dinner. Yeah, we can hang out that way, but I can't have her sleeping in the bed where my mom was.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Yeah, I mean, I think that was a good compromise at this point, right? As years go by or if things change, but there's a lot of mitigating factors there.

Breakups Without A Villain

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Yeah, and every and I said to him, I said, I support you in your grief process, but you need to support me in mine. Yeah. And like I have no living parents now. Like, that's fucking weird and hard. That's weird. And so, no matter how old you are, I mean, I'm 45 years old, it's weird and it's hard. And I like don't to meet her and like, I will I already met her because she helped my sister and I the day after my mom died, clean out her stuff, which is weird, guys. Uh yikes, but also um, so anyway, I think that it's I could feel for Dawson. Now, is it right, wrong, in between for Gail? Whatever. That's your own journey. That's her life, her choice. She's a grown-ass lady. But I understand, and I think, and it's to that point where he was having a hard time, but then he said to her, It was nice meeting your friend. He that's a hard thing to do.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

He was trying to extend that grace, and I think, and maybe this isn't right, but in my mind, I was thinking I understand why it's weird for him, but I also understand why she would want a partner, especially in her life. Nobody wants a partner with a baby, and it I don't know what his story is, but it seems like he has a small child too. Yeah, so I kind of was like, you know, Dawson, you're free to get to go live your whole entire life, and you're not there doing that, so you can't really dictate, and he wasn't trying to, he was just processing. Yeah, yeah. Um, and Jen helped him with that. I mean, she said she said all the right things, although it was kind of weird. Weird, I know. It was like rejecting her own like issues. So then the issue with their relationship, then that kind of comes to light in this one, is just that it's just kind of not really meshing like it was. They're just sort of I don't know, like whatever brought them together, which was like shared grief or her breakup, has kind of settled down. Right. And now it's just them, and it's just not really the same vibes that it was. Yeah. Which I think is uh my one of my daughters and I were talking about this just yesterday. Lynn and I were talking about this because she was relaying a friend situation to me, and she was saying, Yeah, you know, it's not that anything wrong happened, they're just gonna break up, whatever. Happens, and I said sometimes it's harder.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

It is because if you have something to pinpoint, I mean, we've all been in relationships like that. Sure. Or it's like, I don't know why I'm not happy, but I'm just not right. I mean, there have been times in my marriage where we were like that, or like we gotta figure out what is going on. I mean, when you're with somebody for 22 years, it ain't all gonna be good. Right. What makes it different is that when you say, hey, something ain't working, I don't know what it is, we need to figure this shit out.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Right, right, which is a totally different thing, but when you're dating, but when you're dating, sometimes you just reason enough, right? That's why you date. Right? I was thinking about when I was younger, and I feel like I definitely had a few relationships, like longer term ones, where we probably should have broken up for no reason because then eventually there was a reason. That do you know what I'm saying? Yep, like eventually I did like someone else, or they did, or something blew up, or we got in a huge fight about something, and when you look back, it's like, well, we probably should have broken up like six months before that for no reason, and then reasons popped up.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Well, you ignore stuff, right? Or you sometimes just when you're young, you just hope, or even not young, you hope it'll just magically fix itself, or when you're you're young and naive and you don't know, and that's why you're dating, you're figuring it out, and exactly, yeah. I mean, and people fall in and out of love and lust all the time, all the time, even within your own long-term relationship or marriage, yeah. I mean, people I think the difference is is if you are both still wanting it to work, right? Right, and if something feels not right, but you want it to feel right, I think that's the difference, absolutely, right? Is when you're like, okay, we gotta fix this because we don't want it to feel like this. But if one person, even not even if it's just one or both where they're like, I don't really feel like it. I I know people who that has happened to, where one partner was like, I am we're willing to do anything, and the other partner's like, I'm just not. I mean, it's shitty to be the person that is wanting to work, and then the other person doesn't, um, but it happens, it does, and sometimes there is absolutely no reason.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Yeah, absolutely. So, anyway, I thought they kind of showed that well, how it's like kind of awkward, yeah. Kind of feeling it, and it took sort of these emotions Dawson was having outside the relationship to kind of bring that yeah up, but kind of a shitty day for Dawson.

Bar Fights, Woods Makeouts, And Comic Relief

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Oh god, really poor guy, and then speaking of funny, shitty days. Oh my god, not funny, shitty days, that's weird. But okay, so Pacey is like pissed off that he's driving Charlie, which is valid. Yeah, like the guy's a skis, like and that's what he says. But anyway, when he wants he like stops and wants they want to fight. Yeah, that is really and then Audrey's like, just give me a few minutes and takes him and proceeds to have some kind of sexual interaction with him in the woods and bring him back. I wrote, straight men are so simple.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

And then Joey says, I don't want to know the details, but thank you.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

But whatever when they literally, yeah, literally, they first of all, they want to just punch each other and feel like that's gonna solve anything. Hello, and then it takes two seconds of sexual pleasure, and then you're okay. I was like, but also that happens, that is valid.

Joey’s Sketchbook And Quiet Grief

SPEAKER_01 16:14

And I'm like, straight men are so simple. Sorry, guys. Well, sorry, not sorry. And Pacey makes the comment before the thing about how Charlie just seems to be, I forget the exact thing he said, but he implied he's predatory. He was like He is He's like he's circling around all the women. Oh no, that's what it was. Audrey said he's kind of in our circle now, and he goes, Well, he's circling around all the women that I know. I agree, and so he was kind of spotting him for who he was, but then Audrey was like, Well, well, why do you care? Like, what? Do you like Joey? And I was like, I really don't think it's that. No, it's he just doesn't trust this guy. Right. Rightfully so, and he shouldn't, in my opinion. But yeah, and that bar they went to, how funny. Oh my god, like a biker, crazy, like throwing that's where And why would they pay a college band to come to that bar? I know what I don't know$500 or whatever he said. It's so funny. That was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Anyway, okay, so at the very end of the episode, the sketchbook that Joey made, I was crying.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Oh really, really good. I was crying, I was crying her little note, like, you know, the happy birthday note. And even Gail says it's it's weird she's not here. Like not in a mean way. No. She's like, hmm, it feels a little off. And then you see like the gifts she gave. I know, I know made me cry. And those drawings were good, okay. I was waiting. I was like, okay, I think I'm a different artist. Real close. I was like, please don't let the sketchbook be trash, like the art class, the college. The naked jack. Poor naked jack.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

I know, poor naked jack.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

And then the best friends picture. Remember that one of Dawson and Joey when they were at a Jenna Elfman Dharma or whatever, the Ants House.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Come on.

Cigarette Burns: Critic Trope Returns

SPEAKER_00 17:57

I can't. All right. Let's move on to the next episode. Uh, season five, episode 18 is called Cigarette Burns, which I couldn't figure out why.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

I couldn't quite figure that out either.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Okay, cool. Um, it says Dawson inadvertently insults an influential critic right before she is about to review his new film.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Okay. How many times have we seen the same storyline with Dawson? I know. This is at least the third woman who knows a lot about films. And she's gorgeous. Who's gorgeous? Yeah. Who just rakes him over the coals. We had the the Nikki Green character in high school. And then the one the one at um that dated his dad. That one, the teacher. I was thinking professor, but you're right. He was still in high school. And then we got this one. I know. And then like you add in like the studio executive woman and everything. I'm like, this just keeps popping up. And then he has to like prove himself to these, like, don't get me wrong. I love a smart woman that can like speak her mind and knows what she's talking about. But I'm like, this is just the same character reincarnated over and over and over. Like, why couldn't the film critic be a man? Now it's gotta be a lady. And are they gonna date? Probably. And then they of course they had to make out something. Because he just, yeah, well, like he just broke up with Jen, so now it's perfect. Now you can date this movie critic lady. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

I know.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

I did think it was cute. This is later in the episode, when he's trying to get her to come back because of course he's offended her accidentally, which he's done to all these women. Um, so he tracks her down and he starts telling her why he likes her writing and like specific examples of what she thought about Almost Famous and all these different movies. And I thought that was cute because, like, okay, he's really like being specific, yeah, and complimenting not like her looks or her whatever, but like her writing, which is obviously really important to her. Yeah, I did like that, but I was also like, come on, come on, these gorgeous women again, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

I speaking of men and women, okay, Graham's got a man. Yes, Clifton. Clifton. Come on, Graham.

Grams Finds Love With Clifton

SPEAKER_01 19:59

That is so good. It was so cute. Because he's like, hello, Jennifer, you're as beautiful as I thought. And I was like, Is this someone coming to like recruit them to a cult going on? Oh, that was so cute. And then, and then yeah, and then they like kiss, and Jennifer and Jack are both like, ooh, like, and Jennifer's like, excuse me, what I missed. She's like, young lady, did you big dip the butt? And she can't even like get the words out. That was cute. And then Graham says, She's like, Is this your boyfriend? And he and I think he said, I think so. And she goes, Yeah.

unknown 20:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

I was like, Oh my god, how cute.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Um, also, let's talk about the question, the Audrey and Pacy question. Because like, I think it's interesting. I said, Should couples ask that question at all? How many partners have you been with? Should you ask this?

The “Number” Question And Honesty

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Probably. If you're sexually active, you you don't okay. So in some level, you need to know the person's experience, I would think. Why? For all you need to know is if they're clean. I don't know. I'm trying to think. I mean, I think maybe even just as a flirtatious joke or whatever, when I was younger, I feel like I asked boyfriends. Obviously, if I like knew them from like high school or something, then no. But like college and forward. So you think you should ask? I'm sure I asked my husband at some point.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Well, you know, Tori and I had a conversation. We st I to this day have no idea how many people Tori has slept with, and he has no idea how many people I slept with. And at this point, I probably don't remember because it's been 22 years old.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

I would say I would really have to think about it because I knew then I have no idea. Him and I definitely had that conversation.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

We didn't, and you I I think it came up when we were beginning of our dating, and I think we were talking, and he said to me, He said, It doesn't really matter because um, I mean, we're together now, so why does it matter as long as we both know we've been tested, like we're and we're not sleeping with other people. I think that's the thing. If you're in a monogamous relationship where it's just you two, um, and you all you need To know is that you've both been tested and you are both in agreement of what your relationship looks like. So, like, if one of you wants to be monogamous and the other one doesn't, that's kind of a problem, right? But like, who the fuck cares? Who cares if you like who why does it matter? Is the point. And that's what Pacey ends up saying. I feel like it's just more of a curious thing. So you don't have you don't have to know. Because you said it don't you think it would matter because of your experience? Yeah. So would you be like, oh, well, you've only been with one person, get out of here, or you've been with a hundred people, goodbye.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

I don't know. Maybe both. Like well, that's somewhere in the middle. That's what I'm looking for. I don't know. I don't know. Well, are you not right now? I'd say, like, if for some reason I were on the dating scene now, but how would you feel if somebody said that to you?

SPEAKER_00 22:47

I probably wouldn't care. Like if they said I can't date you anymore.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Now, yes. Because now it's like, who really does care? Like, well, I'd love looking at you.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

I mean, but looking at it from from a like, let's say you were back in the dating world, okay? Now. No offense, Brant. We're not, she ain't going nowhere. But if for some whatever fucking reason in the universe you ended up back in the dating world now, would you literally and you were you get to the point where you're in a well, maybe you don't want to be in a monogamous relationship. I don't know. You're in a relationship with a person. Would you ask them that? And it would their answer matter to you now.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

I don't mean in your 20s. Now it wouldn't matter. And I wouldn't ask. That's but if they asked me, I'd answer. But you don't even know the answer now. I'd have to think for a while. I don't think it matters.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

I don't think it matters because listen, to your point, you're saying experience. Um, it doesn't matter if you slept with a bunch of people, you can still be bad at it if that's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Especially if you're a straight man.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Wow, we're really going for the straight man today.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Well, it's true.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

I know, just to use it.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

It is true. I mean, well, from this is from my own lens of experience. Um, not my husband, everybody, but you can, I mean, it doesn't really matter. Like, you can do something a bunch of times and still be bad at it.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

I just feel like it's like I don't think it I guess I said, oh, if it was just one, or I mean, at this point, if it was only one now, I would I would probably pause.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

But what if they uh waited till they were married and then were married for a hundred years?

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Then yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, there's always always a reason, I guess, or you know, and honestly.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

What makes you good at a sexual experience is listening to your partner. True. So and just saying, there is the internet, you can learn all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

You can learn so much from the so okay, so so you aren't really sure where you land on that question, I think.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Like two different things. I could play the devil's idea. I wouldn't ask, but I would answer if someone asked me now. But you don't know your answer. I've I've been doing it in my head while we're sitting here, and I think I do know my answer.

Jealousy, Monogamy, And Boundaries

SPEAKER_00 25:06

I don't think I know mine. I don't I don't really care about it. Um But anyway, I don't think it matters because, like I said, all that would matter to me is that you that you have been tested recently and that we are in agreement. We y'all know I'm jealous, so I will only be in monogamous relationships. If if something happened to me at my old age, I would not be out there. Well, I don't know, who knows what could happen.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Well, I think it might be like just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

No, I'm too self-conscious, everybody. And I'm too jealous. You think you'll be self-conscious when you're 80? I will be self-conscious until I die. Okay. That's just the lot I live.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

We're gonna find out. Circle back. We will report back, listeners, in uh 35 years.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

No, I I am a jealous person and I know this, and that will not change. I will never be cool enough to be like I am I advocate for everybody to do what is in their comfort zone. Sure. Like you, I uh totally respect I'm fascinated by people who can be in polyamorous relationships because I am so jealous I could never do it. Right. And uh, and that's okay. Like everybody's there's room for us all absolutely in the world.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Okay, um, so do you think Pacey then has any right to care at all what her number is? Okay, that I don't either.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

Well, but then I thought it was really shitty of Audrey for lying twice. Yeah, I did not like that. That was a mind game. That was weird. I did not like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

And I think what Joey said to her after the first lie, or maybe the second one, whatever, when she said 27, and Joey was like, now everything you do from here, like that's in your way. Right. So just go tell the truth. Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

And I was like, that's true of everything. Yeah. Well, and also uh Pacey did eventually come around when she said to him, he said, you know what, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And I was like, okay, he eventually got there to the to the right answer, was that it shouldn't matter to you.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Um, because what happens is when you react, even if she would have said one compared to 57, right? You're judging totally. You don't fucking know anything by that number.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

No, you don't. And also, you don't have any claim to anything that happened before your relationship. Yeah, and also they aren't really officially anything.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

So there's that. Yeah, they haven't agreed what they are yet. Didn't they?

SPEAKER_01 27:34

I don't think they I was just like I said that hesitantly because I was like, wait.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

I think by the end of this episode they did.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

By the end, this was kind of the catalyst of the catalyst. And it was weird that he asked her right after they had sex. Did you notice that when he asked her about the number? It was toward the beginning. Oh, yes. It was like right after. Right. And she was like, huh? So I was like supportive of her in that moment, not answering that. Do you know what I mean? Like she was like, nah, you would be so shocked or whatever. Like I was also trying to count Pacy's in my head. I was number. I know. I was like, is that right?

SPEAKER_00 28:09

There's a couple probably in there when he was like boating that we maybe didn't see or know about, but I could probably remember my I could probably remember mine. But you know what? I was like Audrey, I was like a make out queen. I kissed so many people back in the day at bars and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Yeah.

Kissing, Chemistry, And Pet Peeves

SPEAKER_00 28:23

No way. I have no idea how many people I've kissed in my life.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Well, kissing, yeah. I mean, that's a different story.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Well, that's what she was saying. She was Katie Close her notebook. That's a different story. Pull up a chair, but you remember, it was fun to be smooching. It was fun to be smooching around.

unknown 28:40

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

I don't think I'd want to do it now because now I'm too like, ooh, you gotta have good breath. And like, I'm too selective. I am up pee. I have so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Everyone listening's like, well, too bad she stays married forever. Yeah, let's go. Too bad she's not on the market.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

But ooh, isn't that the bad breath is like, oh, that's a killer for a kiss. Even my husband, I'd be like, nope, you gotta go take care of that.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, it's an intimate moment where like you're as close to someone as you can be. Well, you know. One way to be as close to someone as you can be. So yeah. If you got the bad breath, yeah, take care of that, please. My kids, when they were little, would always, always let me know that you had bad breath.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, most of the time, you know, like I have bad breath right now. I can feel it. I know I do. Because we've been drinking coffee. And I have like mince and gum stuffed in so many areas of my bags and car because I am like paranoid of having bad breath all the time. In case I gotta kiss people.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

I've got to be. I have you know, I have gum stashed everywhere. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So studio bag. I think I have some in the refrigerator here. What? I don't know. It's the little mentos ones that come in the container, they taste really good cold.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Oh, you don't have sensitive teeth.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

I don't.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

You would hate it.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

I would not enjoy that.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

But it's like mint and cold, so it's like, oh makes me think of the dentist. The dentist. The dentist. Okay. All right. So we're we're nearing the end of the season. Because that was what, 17, 18? Uh-huh. So we probably only have five or six episodes left. I think so.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

And then the last season.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

We have a plan though, after we're done with Dawson's, and it's called My So-Called Life. So it's a good plan. There's only one season of that, though, so that's easy.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Yeah. Do you think we'll do those one episode at a time since there's only one season?

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Yes, and I think that needs to be a regular series. Like, we're not gonna be extras. Like, that needs to be like main episodes.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Okay. Oh, you mean like we'll watch every single episode and make it main episodes? Yes. Okay. Because that's you'll see why. That's fine. And they're longer. They're like, and they have a lot to talk about within the episodes. Oh, yeah, yeah. I think that'd be fine. Yeah. So we're done with Dawson's. We can do that.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Maybe it'll be around the summertime, I bet. I I think so, because we're in February now. Yeah, it'll probably be summer. And then after that, freaks and geeks. Oh, I can't wait. Have you ever watched that show? Never watched it. It's so good. I am so excited based on just like the cast alone.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

So maybe we should do that one first because Busy Phillips is in it.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

He's got the connection there. Yeah. Let's do that one first.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

All right.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

All right, we'll do that first. That's a fun summer one, I feel like. Yeah. Oh my god, I love that show so much.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Oh my god, it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

And that was only one season or two? I think it was only one.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

I think it was like one and a half.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

One and a half, okay. I could be wrong, but yeah. And at least from what I've heard and what from Busy said on the Pod Meets World episode we listened to. She was saying it's one of those that people have found now, and they're like, why did it end?

SPEAKER_00 31:32

I know it was so good. I watched it in real time when it came on with my um one of my really good college uh friends, Catherine, and we would cry laughing. The actors, well, you just wait. It was good.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

I will not do any spoilers between.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

And we were heartbroken. Because I think that's when we lived together. Um, her and I and another friend of ours lived in an apartment, and we would sit down and watch it onto and we would just cry laughing, and our other roommate did not get it. She was like, I don't, I don't get the show. Like, you'll love it.

Closing And What’s Next

SPEAKER_01 32:01

That's how I feel about arrested development. Oh, I've got to watch that. You either get it or you don't. Or you don't, yeah. And it's so funny. Yeah, if you if you get it. And it's gonna be awesome. All right, well, more Dawson's uh for y'all next week. On the way. And we will uh talk to you all soon. Bye.