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Dawson's Creek S5, E7 & E8: High Anxiety, Boston Nights

• Dani & Katie • Season 1 • Episode 149

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Dawson is in a whirlwind of anxiety in the next two episodes of Season 5. He takes his first steps to coping with his grief through therapy (and Katie spotted Pauley Perette as said therapist). 

Jen gets revenge on two-timing Charlie (the old locked out naked in the hallway trick) and Joey stands up to Audrey's mom. 

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SPEAKER_02:

Hello everyone and welcome back to our Dawson's Creek Rewatch here on Generation in Between. We are on season five, and today we're gonna start with episode seven titled High Anxiety. Um, here's a summary. While in Boston to see a psychiatrist about his anxiety attacks, Dawson finds that his friends' lives are in turmoil too.

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Yep.

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Bum bum bum.

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Um but Daws Dawson's still be in Boston. Wow, that kind of rhymes. We're just gonna wrap our whole Dawson in Boston.

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And we're we're gonna end it there. Done.

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That's it. Bye.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, okay, so he's at the doctor, and that was the fastest referral appointment I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, yes. He's like, Oh, you're having this problem, I'm gonna send you a psychiatrist. Calls the lady in, the lady comes back. You have an appointment tomorrow. Tomorrow, yeah, tomorrow five, right away. I wish I know referrals for anything that quickly.

SPEAKER_02:

Girl.

SPEAKER_01:

But it's Dawson gets referred to a psychiatrist? Yeah. Okay. I wasn't sure if it was just like therapists or whatever. Um, and I just I did say poor Dawson. I know. Because he's like really going through it.

SPEAKER_02:

I know.

SPEAKER_01:

And then uh Jen has that flowers in the attic reference. I wrote that! She was almost like some flowers in the attic sort of situation. I know. I was like, all right.

SPEAKER_02:

I saw that too. Um, yeah, okay. I didn't I didn't have a lot of notes on these episodes. I will say, um, Pacey's advice to Jen about getting even. I was at first I was like, uh, and then I was like, actually, the way she did it, I was like, okay, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like trying to get back at his name's not really Chad. Chad Michael. I don't ever remember his name. I can't remember. Oh, Charlie. Charlie. Only because I wrote it down later. What a stupid jerk. What a jerk. I I said, I said, want to punch Charlie in the face.

SPEAKER_02:

Let me tell you what. I, in my young years, dated a couple Charlies, and let me tell you, one of them did me so wrong. And and he was saying he was super attractive, had had me on one end and this other side girl, and we didn't know about the other. We went to two different schools. This I was a senior in high school, and eventually I finally had a friend who had some other friends at the other school that was like, bro, Danny, do you know? Like, he's still with this other girl. And I was like, What?

SPEAKER_01:

I wonder if young people nowadays can get away with that as easily.

SPEAKER_02:

You can't because of social media. I don't think you can. But let me tell you, he was playing both sides to the point of he came with me to a dance, and then I think like the next week went with her to a thing.

SPEAKER_01:

That just sounds so terrible, and maybe it's because I'm old now. What I know it is terrible. But I mean, it sounds I don't mean terrible for the people you're doing it to. I mean for the person perpetrating. She's like, who cares about you? Who cares about that? That sounds like so much work. Oh, successful. Yes. Like being afraid that I guess maybe there's like a thrill to that or a rush to that, but to me, oh, it sounds terrible.

SPEAKER_02:

I told I I say that to Troy all the time. Like, you don't ever have to worry about me stepping out on you because who has time for that?

SPEAKER_01:

Who has energy or energy it would take?

SPEAKER_02:

Like Troy and I barely spend enough time together, and we live in the same house. Right. So, like for me to schedule time to sneak around to go be with another whole human being is crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

It's crazy. But that's what Charlie be doing in this, and so yeah, so he get he gives her Pace gives her that advice. Oh, I said I had that same cell phone that Joey pulls out in the room with the little antenna and the little foot phone. I had the same one. Oh, and then I just said I was really random with my thoughts on this. Jen is so pretty.

unknown:

She is.

SPEAKER_01:

She really is. I know. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02:

She really is. Come on. I know.

SPEAKER_01:

Her hair's growing out a little. And oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02:

She always looks so good. She's so good. I put down. I'm assuming this was Dawson when he was drinking at the frat house.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah.

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And I put picture chugging, ah, the memories.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, he was getting a week in the frat house.

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Because I was telling this is a funny thing because I was just telling my college kid uh about um how there was this bar we would go to on Wednesdays because they would have drinking with Lincoln, and you could buy pitchers of beer for a penny.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, penny pitchers is what we called it.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I don't know. They called it drinking with Lincoln.

SPEAKER_01:

I just think that's funny that there were two drinkers.

SPEAKER_02:

And it was only it was for a short period of time. And it was like the most piss gross beer. Oh, yeah. But when you are a poor ass college student, and that and I'm telling you, on Drinkin' with Lincoln, we drank out of pitchers. I can tell you, I drank out of so many pitchers, chugging away. That is not a good life skill, by the way. No, I also was talking to him about keg stands. Oh, this is going well. Have you ever done one? Yeah. You have I am shocked. I love it. Are you good at it? Yeah. Okay. I am too. And I was talking about how, and we're like in the car, and like this, I'm sure my 13-year-old probably doesn't even hear hear about this, but we were talking about it for some reason. It was the four of us. And I was like, I was really good at it. Like, and people would be surprised because I'm little.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Right. So people are always surprised at how much alcohol I can pack into this tiny body. But listen, I have Irish um ancestry and it is strong. And I grew up in South Louisiana. So, but we were talking about it, and Troy stopped me and he goes, I don't know if that's like a skill you need to be saying you're good at.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe don't put that one on your resume. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Like I'm not probably not good at it now. I mean, I haven't done a keg stand in 80,000 years.

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I'd probably probably 15 to 20 years.

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And of course, you only do keg stands when it's shitty beer.

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Right.

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So like you can't do a keg stand with like an IPA.

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No. And like I wouldn't even want that beer now.

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Oh God. I cannot. I cannot.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

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I cannot. I don't. I don't I gross. Gross.

SPEAKER_01:

Anyways, moving on. Picture chugging. I said again, my notes are very strange for this episode. I said the old naked in the hall joke. Is that an old joke? Well, well, they lock Charlie in the case.

SPEAKER_02:

I know, but that's the old joke.

SPEAKER_01:

There's that again. You know, people just always be doing that. Um, I don't know, but I did love it. I know.

SPEAKER_02:

I thought that was great. I thought that was a good locked out of your room without your key.

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You have no clothes on.

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I knew it as soon as as soon as Jen was like, okay, I knew that the other girl was in on it. Yeah. As soon as she was, I was like, oh, smart, smart, smart cooking. I like it. Um, okay, so let's talk about Audrey's mom. I put Lord and then I was like, you go, Joey, telling her off. Like she did not.

SPEAKER_01:

Joey couldn't have it anymore.

SPEAKER_02:

I loved it.

SPEAKER_01:

I loved it too.

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Advocating for, but then, you know, her mom did apologize. Well, did she apologize to me?

SPEAKER_01:

That was a weird scene. It was weird. Because it was like, let's agree to disagree. You're terrible to me, and I'm just gonna agree that that's just how you are.

SPEAKER_02:

I know. I just I always wanted my mom to apologize. My mom, I think I heard her apologize to me one time her whole life. Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like I'd be apologizing to my kids four times a day. I every single one of them. So 20 times a day, I'm apologizing to children.

SPEAKER_02:

100%. My mom never, and honestly, I don't know. She apologized to hardly any people in her life.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, and that is, you know, that's whatever. But I I was reminded of that when I saw that. I was like, man. And I just I never was able to properly verbalize things, you know, like on TV, they have writers. So, but anyway, um, moving on, I put drunk Dawson is actually quite funny. Oh Dawson drunk is cute. Well, because like because the way they do drunk in TV is not how drunk is in real life. Like, he would be like a mess. He was just funny and endearing.

SPEAKER_01:

He was.

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He would it would be a lot different.

SPEAKER_01:

No, he wouldn't actually be.

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No.

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Um, and then that hangover drink that um Pacey gives him.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah.

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He's like, what did he say? It was sauerkraut juice. There's always weird hangover cares.

SPEAKER_02:

Honestly, you know what cares? You know what's good for hangover, which if you can get it down, is a bloody Mary.

SPEAKER_01:

I love a bloody Mary.

SPEAKER_02:

I hate bloody Marys. If but I'm telling you, hair of the dog works. It sounds terri- I don't under I don't know the science, and it's probably really bad for your liver, but like when it works, it it helped when you are struggling with a nasty hangover, a bloody Mary. Damn.

SPEAKER_01:

That's crazy. Oh that one's yours.

SPEAKER_02:

Hold on a second.

SPEAKER_01:

All right, look and see. Um, and then I just said to like Pacey figuring out that waitress thing, which we knew he was going to.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know who this is.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm just gonna I'm gonna just leave it so I can see my voicemail off it. Sounds good. It might be school. I'm worried that it's school.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you have to you have to be ready for that. Okay, anyway. Um so Pacey, what we had sort of been saying we thought was happening. I knew, I told you. So Pacey sees, is it he sees the guy holding the necklace? No, she's wearing it, and then he sees her wearing it. And she's like, Oh, it's my grandma's, it was a heirloom. I was I was a little torn on Pacey confronting her, but not him. I know, I wasn't sure about that. I mean, him and Karen are peers, so there's more of like an even playing field there, and literally the other guy's his boss. But I'm like, so like she's wrong, right? He's he's also wrong, very wrong, and older, and there's a power dynamic problem there. So for him to kind of, and I mean he wasn't like super rude about it, but for him to confront her and kind of be questioning just her, kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I know. I didn't love that. I don't either now. I think the reckoning is coming, like I think there's going to be a part where he where he does it. Um, but anyway. And then, oh, in the train station at the end, I said it's very can't hardly wait. Oh, when Dawson's getting ready to go.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's like the it's like Jennifer Love Hewitt and Seth Embry. Is that his name? I don't know if that's Sean Embry, Seth Embry.

SPEAKER_02:

Ethan.

SPEAKER_01:

Ethan Embry. I'm thinking of Seth.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Ethan Embry.

SPEAKER_01:

There we go.

SPEAKER_02:

I wrote um Dawson, I don't remember when he says this, but he said, I don't know what to do with myself. And I I thought that was a really good line. So good. For anxiety, for grief. Just like, I don't know what to do with myself. Yeah. Feel that. Oh man. Yeah, that sums it up perfectly. All right. So anything else for this episode? No. Okay. Um, by the way, my phone is fine. It's just something about my roof. It's fine. Okay. No, I'm not dealing with that right now.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not caving in right.

SPEAKER_02:

This is I was just worried that Cooper was sick or something. So, okay. Um, season five, episode eight. This is Text, Lies, and Videotape. Uh, funny little title there. Um as Dawson begins therapy, Joey looks for the self-confidence to voice her opinions while Pacey discovers the truth behind Danny's affair. So I don't remember when this happens in the episode, but Jen says something about everybody can benefit from therapy. I agree.

SPEAKER_01:

I agree.

SPEAKER_02:

I think everybody needs a therapist.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, I think one thing they're they do well on this show and they can't they're continuing that forward is trying to destigmatize that part of it. Yeah. Like going to therapy. And obviously, like Dawson has pretty obvious reasons he needs it right now. But that line I feel like is helpful. Like, you don't have to go if something's wrong, or it doesn't have to be a certain level of wrong go. Like it can just be figuring out who you are, or building up that resilience for when you are going to need it, or just talking to somebody else, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Who can be unbiased. So you probably didn't, but did you recognize that therapist?

SPEAKER_02:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

Polly Perret is her name. She was, she's like the goth lab person on NCIS. Girl, I've never watched that. Even though you don't know who I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02:

I've never watched NCIS. I'm going to send you a picture of her. Not my jam.

SPEAKER_01:

And she's got that like raspy kind of voice. She's very, very iconic. I heard her voice and knew it was her before I was like, oh, that's her. Normally she's got like black hair, obviously.

SPEAKER_02:

I wouldn't even, if you could send me the picture and I wouldn't, it would not absorb.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm just gonna send it to you anyway.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

It'll be funny. I would like to compare. Um, but it's funny because she's the second pretty iconic NCIS character that was on Dawson's Creek. Oh, that's weird. The Sasha Alexander, too.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah, that's so weird. Yeah, really weird. Well, that's a kooky connection. Oh speaking of kooky connections, Audrey's real world audition tape. I totally did that. I was like, oh my god, that just brought back because this was around the time that I auditioned myself. This this around this is 2001, 2002.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that was a right around when I auditioned. And I was just thinking to myself, man, would you used to have to send in tapes for stuff to shows? Or if you're a performer and you're auditioning for something, you literally had to mail a tape to someone who whoever those people are have to sit in a room and watch all the tapes. I know, as opposed to just like opening the drive and like clicking through.

SPEAKER_02:

And also you had to find somebody who had a video camera.

SPEAKER_01:

That too.

SPEAKER_02:

Because most people don't own one during that time. Yeah, it's wild to think about. Um, okay, I wrote down Pacey in the middle of the affair stuff is yucky.

SPEAKER_01:

It's just a yucky situation, and then he's sort of inserting himself. I know. I think he thinks he's trying to help because he's trying to make her feel better, but like she has that line. He's like, There's lots of guys you could date. She's like, Oh, like you. Right, but he also likes her.

unknown:

I know.

SPEAKER_02:

Which, okay. If that girl is the one having an affair, well, not is the one having an affair. If that girl is having an affair with a married man, that should be a fucking red flag to stay away from her. 100%. Like, I would you cannot like to me, that means you're not a trustworthy person.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Because obviously you know he's married and you're and maybe she'll go through it eventually, but it's also just not a situation you want to get in the middle of, and every and both of them work with you.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, and why would you want to get involved with somebody who is deceitful? That like she knows he's fucking married, met his wife, the gross. Not okay. And I speaking of the wife, that poor wife.

SPEAKER_01:

I know she seems so nice. I mean, even if she's not nice, like no, I know. Like, I'm not saying that anyone deserves it, but like they do, they are painting her to be pretty. Like I know, just like a regular lady. Exactly. That's what I was gonna say. She's not like like we've been, she's not like super, like she looks her age, she's like a normal looking person, she's not like some crazy like supermodel or whatever.

SPEAKER_02:

And yeah, she's very likable, and she's just a regular lady, and then here's the chef have an affair with this younger hot, whatever. And then I wrote, Why is Pacey so thirsty for this girl? I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01:

Because he's literally in Boston, and there's other pretty girls that work at the restaurant, and then there's like, yeah, what's the deal? And oh, I said, What's with all the candles at the professor's house? I know. Did you notice that? It's like you have lights on, but every room's got all these candles lit, and they're trying to figure out the mystery of who this lady's writing the letters to. Oh gosh. And then they had the the naked swimming flashback with Jen and Dawson. And that like sl again, I don't know if it was the original music, but whatever music was playing that she dedicated to him on the thing. Yeah. And then um, just that answering machine message where Pacey's at Karen's house and the boss calls and is like leaving a message and like pick up, I know you're there, pick up. And so she goes over and like you see her picking up. But yeah, Pacey, sir. I know.

unknown:

Get on.

SPEAKER_01:

Come on, you're Pacey. Get on out of there, get on out of there. Don't don't touch that drama. Yeah, oh no. Don't touch that drama. Just go to work, do your shopping, keep your head down, cook your food, cook your food, and get out there and find somebody unattached.

SPEAKER_02:

Literally.

SPEAKER_01:

Anybody in the whole world. Literally anybody. I think things are about to get bad there. I can feel it. They're already bad. I know. What I feel like shit's about to hit the fan. I hope it's the next episode, too.

SPEAKER_02:

I hope so too. These these episodes were okay.

SPEAKER_01:

They were they were fine.

SPEAKER_02:

They were okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like they were just setting us up for probably what's next.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Yeah. For something bigger. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

All right. Well, wow, we talked fast. We did talk fast. That was a quick one.

SPEAKER_02:

That's 17 minutes.

SPEAKER_01:

What's it? Two Dawson's. We don't have a lot to say. Whoa.

SPEAKER_02:

Sometimes we'd be like an hour plus on Dawson's Creek.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Sometimes.

SPEAKER_02:

And then other times.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe it will be next week.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, true. Because you always know what episodes we really, really like because we talk about them for a long time. And which ones were just like meh, because we got 17 minutes.

SPEAKER_01:

17 minutes of worth of stuff to say for two shows that are over what? In 45 minutes. Normally, yeah. Right? Yeah. 45 minutes apiece. A piece.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, you mean combined?

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02:

True. We can do math.

SPEAKER_01:

We can.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, Katie can do math.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, look at that. We got to 18 minutes. All right. Well, everyone. Thanks for listening to Generation in Between and our Dawson's Creek episodes. And we'll see you next time. See you next time. Bye. Bye.

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