Dawson's Creek, S5: E5 and E6: Halloween Tales and Grief

This week we talk about the next two episodes in Season 5, which includes a Halloween episode that could be a standalone. The sixth episode of the season took us to Worthington where Dawson visited Joey, and Tobey visits Jack in Boston, and the vibes are weird.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Setting Up The Halloween Rewatch
• 1:00 Debunking The Misleading Episode Summary
• 2:30 Joey’s Library Creeper And Kickboxing
• 6:30 Pacey’s Urban Legend And Ghost Diner
• 9:30 Jack’s Fraternity Haunting Confusion
• 12:30 Grams Drops A Chilling Radio Tale
• 15:30 Seasonal Fun Amid Dawson’s Grief Arc
• 17:30 Previewing Use Your Delusion

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:00

Hello everyone and welcome back to our Dawson's Creek rewatch. We are on season five and we are zooming along. We are on um episode five and it was called Four Scary Stories. Before I say the summary, the summary itself doesn't really match with the episode, so I don't know what happened. Yeah, you ready? Yeah. It said Jen solicits four scary stories during her Halloween night descent as a substitute DJ at the campus radio station.

SPEAKER_01: 0:25

That didn't happen.

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I know.

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They just sat around at Grams's and she was.

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She didn't come until the end.

SPEAKER_01: 0:31

Right. Right. That was the fourth story.

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I was like, who did that summary?

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And Grams told that story.

SPEAKER_00: 0:37

I know. It was weird. So that's not really what it's about, guys.

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So really what happens is Jack, Pacey, and Joey are all at Grams's, but Grams isn't there at the time.

SPEAKER_00: 0:47

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01: 0:47

And they start telling each other scary stories. And then Grams comes in at the end and tells a scary story that Jen's involved in. Yeah. I love what happens.

SPEAKER_00: 0:54

I love a Halloween episode.

SPEAKER_01: 0:56

It was it was good. It was fun. I actually really liked it.

SPEAKER_00: 0:58

It was really fun. I I liked how they all took turns. And um, yeah, so let's just chat about it. Yeah. Uh oh, I wrote down the ball bouncing down the stairs when Jack and Pacey scare her. That exact thing happens in my favorite scary movie that I've talked about multiple times, The Changeling. Yep. From the late 70s, because it's a kid ghost, and there's a ball that bounces down the stairs. So and it happens in other scary movies too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a thing where like objects are sort of moving on their own. Yeah. Does it happen in poltergeist? I feel like yes. I I can kind of see that in my head, but maybe I'm thinking of the changeling. Yeah. I don't know. But anyways, I love that. So so that's when they actually try to scare her. So Joey tells the first one, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so she hers is what that she's at the library. And I love that her roommate Audrey is Carrie.

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Without the blood.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52

Without the blood. So she just looks like a literal like beauty queen, and someone's like, hey, Miss America. Miss America. I'm Carrie from the book and the movie.

SPEAKER_00: 2:00

I know. She's so funny. I loved her. I loved her character on this show.

SPEAKER_01: 2:05

They did such a good job. And what I just from decades of knowing who she is now, know of her personality. I know. She really infused a lot of her personality into the character and it worked.

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And she does it in, I feel like a lot of the characters she has played. Like she finds a way to put her own little self in there, even if it's not obviously herself. But you know what I mean. It's very enjoyable. Anyway, of course, like I love Joey's story. She's like studying, and there's this quote unquote creepy guy, and then there's this good-looking guy. I'm like, of course it's a good-looking guy who's gonna be the weirdo. Yeah, like I knew that from the beginning. I was like, that guy in the back, I thought he was like a ghost or something, the guy eating the peanuts.

SPEAKER_01: 2:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I'm like, of course it's a good-looking guy who's the psycho. But then she like kicked his ass, and I was like, Yeah, I sure did.

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But I did say, like, um, creepy guy in library, scariest part of life.

SPEAKER_00: 2:57

Wow.

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Like, just like in general, somebody somewhere and feeling like someone's watching you, or you're like, how do I get to my car or leave here? And what's funny is normally, you know, they say, like, go up to someone and like pretend like they're your friend or your boyfriend. And so Joey did that, but then it went wrong. It was that guy who was trying to get her.

SPEAKER_00: 3:18

Goes to show you women are never safe no matter what.

SPEAKER_01: 3:20

So never, never. And they made a comment. Joey says, Yeah, that kickboxing really paid off. And then the guy says, That was a very crouching tiger, hidden dragon.

SPEAKER_00: 3:30

Yeah. Oh my God. Can I tell you something so funny? I used to do when um I had had I had been drinking in college and we would walk home instead of drive. And we would walk home, and I don't everybody probably back in the 90s probably did this, and they probably shouldn't have. You know, like we weren't exactly walking in great places at like 2 a.m. and it's dark and we're walking home. Like, and I could used my friends would make fun of me because I I'd be like, I'm not scared. I know Tebo.

SPEAKER_01: 3:58

Like that's it. Like, I wouldn't be like roundhouse kick. Let's get right. Like, it doesn't matter if they have a gun or a weapon or they like pepper stuff. I'm not kidding. My friend. My friend Michelle would be like, Danny's gonna say she knows Tybeau. I'm like, well, I do watch this. Y'all better back up.

SPEAKER_00: 4:16

Uh look after this one.

SPEAKER_01: 4:18

Oh, thanks, Billy Blinks. Oh my god, that's so great. Um, okay, so let's fall ahead on that. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 4:24

Pacy, I love that they said he had an urban legend since he was in the movie Urban Legends. Oh, I loved that.

SPEAKER_01: 4:31

That was really, really good.

SPEAKER_00: 4:32

And it's the headlight one that we talked about. Yeah, but they fuse together. It was like the headlight one plus like a ghost driver.

SPEAKER_01: 4:40

Yeah, ghost driver. Yes. And then they're in that creepy diner that is like incredibly populated.

SPEAKER_00: 4:46

Well, I feel like it was like a ghost diner. Yeah, that was probably what it's because remember they walk in and there's like 666 somewhere, and then like and the coffee's like spilling over, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:57

It was like a twilight zone, and they're out of everything and the phone doesn't work. Yeah. Um, okay, so then in Jack's story, uh I I just thought of it because Jack looks at this old fraternity picture and it's like a ghost. But didn't Jack's dad go to like Princeton or something? Wasn't that a whole thing when Andy got in? Yeah, he did. Was it Princeton? Yeah. But but then Jack talks about wasn't he talking about how his dad was in the fraternity, or was it the other guys that were saying that?

SPEAKER_00: 5:24

His no, the other guys said their dads were.

SPEAKER_01: 5:26

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 5:27

He's that because the other guy was like, Oh, my dad was in that pledge class, he's right there.

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Cause then I thought Jack was they said something like, Wow, look at your dad. I thought he said, Oh, he was doing that hippie thing.

SPEAKER_00: 5:36

No, he did, but it wasn't his dad.

SPEAKER_01: 5:38

Okay. Yeah. That makes more sense. Because I was like, I thought his dad was a cool thing. Okay, got it. Sorry. That's really um irrelevant to the scary story at all. Uh so Jack finds, I mean, I immediately knew it was like a ghost because they talk about some guy that like went crazy and then killed himself or whatever. And so then Jack runs into a guy he's never seen before. Was it supposed to be that guy? Yeah, it wasn't the hippie guy, but it was a guy in the picture.

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Oh, okay.

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So then later he's like, Let me get you a glass of water or something, and he walks out and he picks up the picture because it had fallen and broken, and he sees the ghost guy.

SPEAKER_00: 6:14

Which we knew, I mean, as soon as he opened the closet, I was like, Oh yeah, it's a ghost.

SPEAKER_01: 6:18

It's a ghost. Yeah. And then he was gone.

SPEAKER_00: 6:20

But where were the guys? Where did they go?

SPEAKER_01: 6:21

I don't know. They never alone in the house with the ghost now.

SPEAKER_00: 6:27

And why did they make him be sick?

SPEAKER_01: 6:29

Who, the guy? Jack. Oh, Jack. I wondered that too. I was like, that I don't what? Yeah, because he like coughed, and so you think it's gonna have something to do with degree. And then he does it again.

SPEAKER_00: 6:37

And he's like, Oh, I shouldn't drink with my cough medicine. And I'm and then I was like, Okay, so he's gonna pass out or something.

SPEAKER_01: 6:43

No. It never it was weird. I was like, he just like and it was like an obvious cough. That was weird. I know it's so strange. Anyway, I get it.

SPEAKER_00: 6:52

And then Graham's story.

SPEAKER_01: 6:54

Yes, Graham's and I said just her telling the story was she's the best. She was like, Oh, you little young people who are desensitized to scary stories. Um, and then she like tells a story that's like completely like terrifying. Yeah, done at their radio station, and and then she's like, Well, good night. I know. Okay, bye. And their faces, and then Joey's like, uh, I guess we have to like now. And then they reference the tea, which is the transportation system in Boston, and they're like, Oh, Pacey, are you scared to like go back and like stay on that boat by yourself? And he's like, No, no, I'm fine.

SPEAKER_00: 7:36

And Joey's like, You're gonna walk with me, right? Like, yeah, but you know that feeling of like when you're scared. Okay, listen, I still in the middle of the night, if I have to get up and pee, run back to my bed.

unknown: 7:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 7:46

I did it last night. I'm so scared there's something under the bed.

SPEAKER_01: 7:49

I love it.

SPEAKER_00: 7:50

And I, you guys, I picked out a I we went to a used bookstore over Christmas break, which I love. And I got some books. I just I I just pick books because the covers are cool. Anyway, and I got home and I was like, read I started reading this book and I'm like, why did I get this? Not only is it like ghost stuff, but it's like a true crime one. It's really good. You would like it, I'll bring it to you. Okay, it's really good, and it reads very fast, but I'm like terrified. Like, I read before bed. I'm like, I am so scared. And then there's one part they talk about this ghost lady sitting on the edge of a bed when they wake up, and I'm like, oh my god, what am I doing to myself?

SPEAKER_01: 8:29

Oh my god, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_00: 8:31

Okay, so that's the end of that episode. It was a fun episode.

SPEAKER_01: 8:33

That was a good one. I liked it.

SPEAKER_00: 8:34

And it was a it was weird though, because it was thrown right in the middle of like Dawson's dad dying, then this one, and then now we're back to Dawson's grief.

SPEAKER_01: 8:43

Right. It was it was not anything that drove any thought.

SPEAKER_00: 8:46

No. I guess it was just their Halloween episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it was good. It was good. You could like watch it by itself. Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:53

Out of order. All right. Um episode six is called Use Your Delusion. Um, Joey anxiously prepares for a visit from Dawson. Jack is forced to choose between his fraternity brothers and Toby, and we knew how that was gonna go.

SPEAKER_01: 9:07

Look, Toby be showing up out of nowhere and then be mad that Jack doesn't have time for him.

SPEAKER_00: 9:14

I think it's his rush week. I wrote down maybe Toby should have planned a time to visit. Like that made me so mad. His fraternity brothers were not wrong. Like, right, they're like, he showed up to check on you. Like, not just and I think I think they were right. And like now, Toby's feelings were valid too, but also like this kid's in college and he's having fun and he's having new experiences. You gotta leave space for that. Are you out? And guess what? He chose you out.

SPEAKER_01: 9:40

Yep. And I didn't like how Jen was on Toby's side. I didn't either. Jen was like making Jack feel bad. I know she's like, Well, you forgot about us.

SPEAKER_00: 9:48

And I'm like, he's like, I want to meet new people.

SPEAKER_01: 9:50

And he, I think he summed it up. Jack summed it up really well when he was like, I this is the first time I can just be me, and everyone's just fully on board and accepting, and I'm part of all the things, and I'm not this gay guy or this guy or the new guy, I'm just like one of them and they don't care, and we all get along and we have fun.

SPEAKER_00: 10:10

Yeah. And also, like he said, like they knew from the beginning all the things about me that I had to like overcome or whatever. He's like, they already know, and now I can just be.

SPEAKER_01: 10:21

And he deserves that. Correct. It's it's like I'm so happy for him.

SPEAKER_00: 10:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 10:25

And and then Jen's, and then I like the part where um he's like, Yeah, I just want like space to meet new people. And Jen says, Well, you should have told him that. He's like, I'm telling you, right.

SPEAKER_00: 10:35

And I was like, Okay, but yes, but also yes, yeah. When she's off with her little little guy, which I also wrote down that is the cleanest frat house I have ever seen.

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I know, I know.

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It is so clean all the time, all the time. But there might be like a red solo cup here and there. Yeah, because they're trying to be like listen, that's not what they look like, guys.

SPEAKER_01: 10:57

No or smell like, not that you can smell through TV screen. I'm sorry. I guess a lot of my foundational fraternity house memories are rooted in scent.

SPEAKER_00: 11:06

I mean, there is a scent. So sorry about that. There is a scent.

SPEAKER_01: 11:09

Um, yeah, and then what else?

SPEAKER_00: 11:11

Let's talk about Dawson.

SPEAKER_01: 11:12

Oh.

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So he comes to visit, and I just, you know, I feel for Dawson, and when he ha he's like wants to go out and they go to that party and he has an anxiety attack. Yep. I mean, they don't say that's what it is, but that's what it is. Man, I've been there. You've been there. And it's crazy because if you've never had an anxiety attack, that is exactly how it happens. It comes out of nowhere. Uh most of the time. I mean, you can't have triggers, but sometimes you'll just be like, oh my God. And like all you know is that you're about to jump out of your skin and you gotta get out of it. Like you, you just you gotta get out of wherever you are. You can't be there any longer. Like he did.

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He was sweating, like happened to me inside an MRI machine.

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Jesus.

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And I had to like, I was like hitting the panic button. They came and got me out.

SPEAKER_00: 11:58

I mean, obviously that was a trigger. Yeah, yeah. Like you knew why you were freaking out in an MRI machine.

SPEAKER_01: 12:03

But it's like I couldn't get out fast enough. And then I had to, and then I was like, I have to leave the building.

SPEAKER_00: 12:07

Yeah. Oh yeah, because you gotta go.

SPEAKER_01: 12:09

Get me on like I'm leaving.

SPEAKER_00: 12:11

Which I mean, they see that all the time, which is why they give you the thing. Yeah, you know what's weird? I've had a lot of MRIs, and I am able to keep it, I am able to keep it controlled because I I don't open my eyes. Like, and I know like from the instant, it's even like the open MRIs still feel closed. Do you know what I mean? But I have to be like, okay, you're about to go in here, just don't open your eyes, and you can do this. And it's so loud that that almost helps me.

SPEAKER_01: 12:40

Yeah, it kind of draws that's the I've had other MRIs. That's the only time I've ever freaked out.

SPEAKER_00: 12:44

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01: 12:45

And I haven't been back. I actually still need to go back and do the same thing. Oh god. I'm too scared. But they did say they'd prescribe me something, and I I was alone, which because I'd never had a problem before. So I was like, I'll just go and do it. And I um it was later than it was supposed to be. It was like delayed. I hadn't eaten, I'd had a lot of caffeine. Katie. And they were looking at my brain, which always freaks me out.

SPEAKER_00: 13:06

Okay, so number one, the two most basic things in your life, which is fuel and sleep.

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Yeah. Out.

SPEAKER_00: 13:14

Those are huge triggers for anxiety. Uh-huh. Like so and then you had too much caffeine, which also is a big no-no.

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And I was alone.

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Like sitting there waiting by myself. And it was something you're already scared about without being in a machine.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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So do you know what I did when I left?

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I went to Arby's.

SPEAKER_01: 13:35

Good. I drove myself to Arby's. I didn't even want to go inside. I went to the drive-thru. I parked in the parking lot. I ate a full meal in my car and had some water. Didn't even get like soda or anything. I was like, I do not need more half each or sugar. And then I drove myself home.

SPEAKER_00: 13:51

Yeah.

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But they were like, okay, next time eat, come medicated.

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Yeah.

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And bring someone with you. Yeah. And you'll be fine. But you know.

SPEAKER_00: 14:01

But you gotta meet your basic needs first. Yeah. I always tell people, like, if people are like, I don't know why I don't feel good. I don't know why. I'm like, um, are you hydrated? Are you tired? And do you have food in your body? And if you have wonky answers, then there's a really quick solution. Like that's where you begin. But anyway, he had all those things.

SPEAKER_01: 14:18

He had all those things.

SPEAKER_00: 14:19

And he had an anxiety attack. And I I feel I I felt it. Like, you know, I think he did. I'm wondering almost if James Vanderbeek has struggled with anxiety attack attacks before because he did a good job of like a really good job. Um, showing what that can look like. You know what else I feel did a good example of what happens when you have an anxiety attack is um um inside out too.

SPEAKER_01: 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 14:44

Have you seen it?

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I've seen I know the character of another.

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There's a scene where the young girl, she's 13, she's in middle school, is having an anxiety attack, and they show her what's happening to her on the outside, and then they show what her brain's doing on the inside. And anxiety, the character is like at the switchboard of the brain, and she's like frantically, frantically, frantically, but she's like almost hypnotized and like stuck, and Joy is trying to talk to her, and like one tear like goes down her face, but like she can't get out of the spiral. And it I'm like, I I saw that with Victoria and our kids, and when we left, we were crying. I was like, that is the such a great animation of what your brain does.

SPEAKER_01: 15:26

It is, yeah.

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Because you feel like you know, but you can't like you're stuck, you can't get out of like anyway. It was so good. You need to watch it, you would really, really like it.

SPEAKER_01: 15:37

You know, I didn't like the first one. I it's an animated movie. I didn't like the first one very much, so I didn't want to see the second one. But everyone's saying anxiety alone. Yeah, I should see the second one. Also, that is just really good.

SPEAKER_00: 15:48

So it also is embarrassing because I've had several people be like, Oh, you remind me of her. I was like, Oh, great. Great. So I need you to watch it and say no.

SPEAKER_01: 15:59

All right, now I have to watch it.

SPEAKER_00: 16:00

I need you to just watch it and say no, but you're not, you're gonna say yes. And you know who the voice of anxiety is is Robin from Stranger Things.

SPEAKER_01: 16:08

Yeah, who is um Ethan Hawk's Hawk's daughter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 16:11

Anyway, okay. So I felt I just felt bad for for Dawson.

SPEAKER_01: 16:15

I did. And and also wasn't he okay, so wasn't the point of when they went out weren't they at a dead woman's house too? Weren't they like going through her estate?

SPEAKER_00: 16:25

Did you fall asleep?

SPEAKER_01: 16:27

No, that was the project.

SPEAKER_00: 16:29

Oh, it was. I was like, they were at the professor's house though, not a dead woman's house.

SPEAKER_01: 16:33

I thought they went to the lady's house.

SPEAKER_00: 16:34

They were at his house with her stuff.

SPEAKER_01: 16:36

Okay. Because I also thought that was a good one.

SPEAKER_00: 16:38

No, it was just a meet and greet. It was just a meet and greet at his house because he's like, I'm having a get together at my house. There'll be Brie.

SPEAKER_01: 16:44

Oh, yeah. I remember the Brie part. Okay, because for some reason. Like a dead person's moving to the dead lady's house. No, what do he's having?

SPEAKER_00: 16:50

He already had already got the stuff, but this was just their meet and greet for his little team that's gonna go through it.

SPEAKER_01: 16:56

Okay, got it, got it. Um, but yeah, I thought, and I thought that that awkwardness between him and Joey was done well. Yeah. How Joey was trying all the time. And even Audrey was like, Well, why don't you just see what he wants to do? And she's like, Well, I don't want to put the pressure on him.

SPEAKER_00: 17:10

I know.

SPEAKER_01: 17:10

And then he she gives him the book that has a really sweet note in it, but he doesn't take the book.

SPEAKER_00: 17:16

Well, because books like that are nice, but you have to make sure people are in the right place for that.

SPEAKER_01: 17:20

And I get it, I get it.

SPEAKER_00: 17:21

And he wasn't ready yet, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 17:23

And yeah, just and then when he left and she kind of shuts her dorm door, I was just I like felt that was I know that must feel so icky on both sides, you know, because Joey didn't do anything wrong. It's just where he's at, and it was good for him to probably get out and come over. And and then it was also like maybe they should have done like group stuff. Like, why was it all on Joey? Like, couldn't they have gotten the whole crew together?

SPEAKER_00: 17:50

Well, because she didn't want to, because she knew he was going through a lot. Because even I think even Audrey said, like, do you want me to whatever? And she was like, No, it'd be better.

SPEAKER_01: 17:59

Yeah, that's true. So I like that line when he first got there, and she's like, Audrey's like trying to leave with all her stuff, and she's painting her toenails, and he's like, still weird, huh? And she goes, getting weirder by the day. I'm like, She's not weird, she's not weird, she's fun. I know when the jogging was cracking. Oh, hilarious. And then I was watching Audrey's face when the professor like rides by on his bike, and he's and she was I know he was acting. I know. Okay, like you could see. She was like, Oh, wow. I know. And then as he rides away, she says, Maybe I could still get it. Uh-huh. Oh, that's so funny. You knew that's what she was gonna say because of like her face whole scene. Yeah, that was that was an interesting episode. And then I don't know what we were supposed to feel when Dawson was driving down that road. Were we supposed to feel like that was the road where his dad died? I was wondering that too. What was the point of that? I maybe we'll find out in the next episode, or maybe it was just a like cinematic way to end the end episode.

SPEAKER_00: 18:53

I don't know. Stay tuned, but we gotta watch those in the next 20 48 hours.

SPEAKER_01: 18:57

Pacey's mentor actually turning into kind of a sleep.

SPEAKER_00: 19:00

I knew that. I I knew I I didn't remember that they had an affair, but I figured it out whenever he's like, Um, I'm gonna take my wife out, and I was like, I bet he's having I think he's having an affair with that girl.

SPEAKER_01: 19:10

Karen?

SPEAKER_00: 19:11

Mm-hmm. Because notice she came in and then he came in like a few minutes after.

SPEAKER_01: 19:15

And Pacey's got a crush on Karen.

SPEAKER_00: 19:17

I totally, and it's gonna destroy him. I'm telling you. And the guy even told him, like, uh, I wouldn't, I wouldn't like go after her. I'm telling you, that's it. I didn't peek ahead and I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure. Unless that's my subconscious being, like, I remember. Oh. We'll find out. And listen, we're we're recording twice this week. We're recording again in two days. So we're about to literally find out. About to watch Dawson's in the next two days at some point, and Family Matters episodes. Yeah. But those are so short, those are easy to knock out.

SPEAKER_01: 19:48

They're so fun. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_00: 19:49

They're easy to knock out.

SPEAKER_01: 19:50

All right, well, this one wasn't too long either, but that's because the Halloween episode was kind of like meh. Yeah. It was fun.

SPEAKER_00: 19:56

But that's okay because our la our our main episode was like 94 minutes. That's right.

SPEAKER_01: 20:00

So together you get about two hours of content this week, guys. When you put it all together. Plus more on the way. So thanks for listening and uh we'll see you on our next episode. Yes. Generation in between. Bye.