Dawson's Creek, S4: Finale and Parting Thoughts

We've reached the end of Season 4 and lots of storylines get tied up (while at least one seems to be starting back up). Listen in as we talk about the Season 4 Finale, and our thoughts on the writing and storylines from this season overall.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Senior Year Farewells
• 2:30 Should You Go To College Early
• 8:45 Mac Versus PC And Tech Nostalgia
• 13:20 Parents, Boundaries, And Letting Go
• 18:20 Packing Up Grams’ House
• 23:30 The Spielberg Question And Starstruck Moments
• 27:50 Dawson, Joey, And Unfinished Ties
• 30:20 Season Four Reflections And What’s Next

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:01

Hello everyone and welcome back to our Dawson's Creek Rewatch. We are on season four, the last episode 23. Um, and this one's called Coda. Uh the summary is as Dawson prepares to leave for college, Kim and Joey reunite in order to say goodbye. Yep. So here we go. Let's get in. There's a lot going on. I only like half paid attention because it was a lot going on. Yeah, it was, it, it caught me crying a couple times. I had to, well, probably because you have a senior. That's that was a big part of it. Yeah. Was just like that idea of like leaving what you've always known to go do the next thing was like the whole theme of this episode because everyone was getting ready to go somewhere. You know what I was thinking about too? I was like, you already had a kid graduate, but that he's still there. He's still around. Correct. We went through like the emotions of graduating and the excitement of that, but he we still see him. Still see him all the time. All the time. So it's not the same. It's not the same. And if your daughter goes to college where she's wanting to go, which she'll find out soon. And that's the other thing. We're gonna find that out in two days. Yeah, it is far. It's far. It's really far. And it's it's you know, yeah, it's nerve-wracking. So this this episode was was a lot. And also, she is your first child that you've given birth to that's gonna be leaving. Correct. That too. And the first daughter, first girl. I mean, you know, but I mean there's a lot of firsts. There's a lot of firsts happening all at once. All at once. So and so my first question was what are your thoughts on going to college early? Do you think it makes sense to go like now? I I was thinking the same thing. I was like, why? Why go, why give up your final summer? Yeah, like for why? I it's like I told Caden, don't be in a rush to become an adult. I told him that. I said, Don't feel like you have to overload your, you have to be full-time to keep your scholarship. Sure. But take the minimum, which is kind of backwards advice, maybe. But I'm like, this is we talked about this on the last episode that we did of Dawson's. It's a snapshot in time that you do not get back. Because if you're lucky enough to go to college, right, enjoy the experience. Absolutely. Because not everybody gets to go, and you may not get to stay there, who knows? But enjoy it because when you're finished, life hits right completely. So enjoy the time, don't rush it, and don't be in a rush to get away. Like, enjoy that the summer before you go to college to just be yeah. And I think they did a good job in this episode of everyone sort of taking that moment and being like, Oh, I'm leaving like tomorrow or next week or early or whatever, and like Pacey's gone for the summer on a boat or whatever. And when he gets back, everyone will be gone at college. So they did a good job sort of like showing everyone was maybe having some doubts about the decisions they'd made on that. I'm not saying it's a bad decision or a good decision, but to me, I was like, and maybe it is because I I d obviously would not advise my daughter to do that this year because I don't want her to. But I I suppose if you had like a huge opportunity, which in Dawson's case, and Joey even says to him, they want you at that school and they want you early. They asked you to come early, which is doesn't usually happen, but okay. Right. I I know I don't know why, but either way, I guess if it's a huge opportunity, maybe. Um, I thought it was fun when they were playing Would You Rather. Okay, but why are they all in like fall clothes? Yeah, that's like May or June. Right. They have on jackets and paint. I mean, we know why it's because they film in a different season, right? And they may be trying to show off as much of that American Eagle wardrobe as they can. Why are they dressed like it's cold? Yeah, they were. Where they should have been in it should have been more of like like summer towels and sunglasses kind of vibe. It was weird. Yeah, that was kind of that was kind of weird. And then like Graham's is like, it's gonna be chilly, wear a sweater. I'm like, it's supposed to be summer. What is happening? I don't understand. Oh, I mean, it can get cool at night in the summer, some of those places. In Indiana, it's I guess on the East Coast. Uh uh they're supposed to be yeah, North Jesus. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Um, the Mac versus PC. Oh, I wrote that too. Yeah, so it's still ongoing. I wrote the same thing. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, because my husband is a Mac person and I am a PC person. That's so funny. I prefer Macs. Oh, I hate it. But I mostly have PC things in my life. And I will say I have had three laptops to his one Mac. But the thing is, I was trained how to use a PC and I can't jump on board with the rest. Now I do have an Apple, I do have an iPhone just because I'm forced to. Right. But I would rather not have one. Okay. I like my iPhone. I don't. I like I don't care. I don't use any of the fancy things. I just in fact, when I was talking to S-I-R-I earlier, I don't want to say it. Danny's phone answered me. I never use it because she never uses it. So I said it and it was like I never use it. I also because to me that's a version of AI and I don't I don't play. Well, that's true. That's true. Like, and also, like, I if I want to look up something, I can just do it with my like I I don't know. You guys, I'm old-fashioned. I don't like voice text. I don't like stupid Siri. I don't use it. We don't use Alexa in our house. That's all right. All it's AI's coming for all you people, not me. Not you. It ain't gonna get me. Not coming for you. Actually, whatever. We can't stop it coming. Yeah, well, but you can you can not like it. And I think that's I really just dislike it. I just think it's making us really lazy. Yeah, I really do. I think we've talked about it before, but we have, we have and people somebody wanted to debate me on it the other day. I said, I really don't care enough to do this, right? You're like, I'm not gonna change my mind, and also like just why? They were like, okay. Because I was like, like, it was Tom. He was like, Well, I would love to talk to you. I said, I really don't care enough about it. And I he started laughing and I said, No, like, don't waste your energy. Because like, I'm sure you have great points. I'm sure he does. And I and I have nothing to back up what I'm about to say.

SPEAKER_02: 6:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 6:29

Like, you probably have facts and research. I have nothing except my feelings. And you can't really debate that. Still not gonna change my mind. Right. So, like don't waste your breath. I love it. And he's like, Okay. All right, fair enough. Doesn't that make things so much easier if we just told people stuff like that from the get the get-go? Yeah, I mean, that's a good example of why maybe you should. I'm just like, all right. Like, it's let's move on, let's do something else. Like, there's really no point. Like, yeah, it really doesn't matter what you tell me, or I don't even care if you tell me science, etc. I still don't like it. It's like it doesn't matter what if I told you that cinnamon could save your life, right? Would you care? I mean, if it literally could save my life, I would eat it. Yes. It wouldn't make me like it though. Or okay, not save your life, but if I told you about all these benefits that cinnamon had and like, etc. etc. Nope. You're still not gonna like it. Nope, not gonna like it. See, I'll get those things other places, just like you can get your information not using it. I can just use my own brain. Oh. Or my own skills. I'm just saying, guys. Katie thinks Katie like half uses AI. So half, yeah. I would say you're like halfway on board with it. Yeah, depends what it is, but yeah, yeah, depends what it is. So she kind of agrees with me and then she kind of side-eyes me at the same time. Yes, and I know she'd be using AI for all our podcast episode descriptions. I know it. I didn't today. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't mean oh, the descriptions, yes. Well, that's because so Buzz Sprout gives me starter descriptions, which I guess is AI when I upload it. And so then I just edit what they give me. And then sometimes be like, oh, and we talked about this. If it's like something totally off the wall. But I just let it, I just let it be going because I don't want to do it. So let's just leave it. Let's just leave it. All right, back to Mac. Back to this. Okay. So you like you are a Mac person. I do like Macs.

unknown: 8:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 8:25

Yeah. I do. Is she a Mac? Um, okay, so as it was a theme throughout the whole episode, Mitch's attitude. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Well, and it is hard, you know. Uh I was thinking about this when Caden came home for Thanksgiving because we were only gonna have him home for like a week. Yeah. And I warned Troy ahead of time. I said, don't be surprised if he's gonna want to be spending time seeing his friends, seeing his girlfriend, going out, doing stuff. And Troy's like, thanks for warning me. And I was like, well, I'm just saying, because it's hard for parents, because we're excited to see you. We haven't seen you in three months. And it's like this episode, of course, they want to say goodbye to their friends. They want to soak in all that because here's the thing your family will always be there. So, like, of course, that's a natural part also of the next phase of life. It is. You have to cut those strings so you can move on. But dad was having a hard time with it. Dad was having a hard time. Everything from like wanting to force him to get a PC instead of a Mac, to like, you can't go out with your friends. And I think Gail said something like, Oh, so just like stomping around and throwing a fit instead of like talking about our feelings. And I was like, Yeah, kind of, but but also relatable. Like, I understand why he feels like that. I mean, Troy, Troy kind of got like that a little bit before Caden left, and I had to, I was it was weird because I thought I'd be the one being like that. He's like, he's oh, he's never home. I'm like, well, but like this is what we want for him to be. If he always wanted to be with us right before he left, that'd be a problem. And it'd be harder when he left. That'd be a problem. Yeah, because I know some kids who were like that and they had a really hard time going away. Right. It's it is it's that that push and pull, you know, like staying connected with your family. But I mean, even my son, who we mentioned, like he's in town, there'll be days we don't see him. Yeah, which it it should be. I mean, he's and and and he has a job and he takes classes, and when he's not doing that, he's with his friends and he's got a girlfriend who's local, you know. So it's like a young adult, and he's living independently as much as he can with like not living completely independently, if that makes sense. He's like practicing for that. He still has a safe place to sleep and uh family to rely on, like you said, but your family's always gonna be there. Yeah, so these other things are happening, and it's good because he's building what he's doing is building his own life outside of us, right? Which is little by little. Yeah. That's what you want as a parent. That's the one. That's what you want. But it is hard. It is hard. Um, yeah, it is hard, and you know, but it is. It is. I wrote Ug. I hate goodbyes, and I will avoid them at all costs. I hate goodbyes. I love it. Just this whole out of a party. I loved it. What do they call that Irish goodbye? Irish goodbye or ghosting. I uh ghosting is harsh. You can ghost a party, yeah. I just love to do that. I hate goodbyes. Ghosting is harsh. I just love to do that. I just well, but an Irish goodbye is a non-goodby. My mom and my sister were like prolonged goodbyers, and it was like this production all the time, and I hated it because I'm just like, I don't like it. Just go. Like, right. Okay, bye. See you later. I don't need this. Oh, I love you. Oh, and this, and then that. So I try to keep that in mind because Caden is like that. He wants to just go, and I have to be like, don't make it some big ordeal. It's not personal. Just give a hug and be on your way. Yeah. Now Cooper is a prolonged good buyer. He be hugging on. He be like it's like my littlest is like that. She's she does it for bedtime too. Oh, girl. She'll come in, she'll win something. She'll be like, hugs. She'll give us a hug, and then she'll like come back in with her bonnet on, hugs. Yes. And then she'll be like, gotta brush my teeth. To the point that like my husband will probably be like, Tegan, you gotta go to bed. Yeah. Tori's like, you already told us goodnight three times. We're fine. Yeah. Yeah. She's the same way. She's the same way. And she loves, yeah, she'll do hugs. She'll be like on her bike getting ready to leave. And I'm watching her leave the driveway. She will stop, put the kickstand down, come back. And it's very sweet. But it's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Some people just like a lot of goodbyes. She just feels bad if she doesn't get it all in there. What did you think about okay? So they're packing up Graham's house. That's another goodbye that's happening. Apparently, they're also moving immediately. And Graham's is just not super sentimental. I'm not sure. Did you notice that that way? But she's been in that house for forever. She talks about like the first apartment they lived in. But she says, I mean, she said we had good memories here, and but this isn't like it's not about the house, is what she's saying. Yeah. I get it. I'm that way. I'm that way too. Like you just go to the next thing. I think I'd be sad when I leave my house someday. But I think I think too it it all has to do with perspective. You may not be at that point. That's true. I might be like, just get my shit out of here. Because she, I think she's ready to move on. And she, it's not like a house is just a house. You know, I was thinking about a friend of mine whose house burned down when she was a kid. They had a house card and then they rebuilt and all this stuff. And she was telling me, this was years ago. She was telling me that was when she started realizing like your memories are your memories. Physical things are just things. So your house can burn down, you can move. That doesn't take away anything. I know. I think I just think I'm not even thinking of like the physical house or the stuff in it. It's like the energy in it. Like, but you carry the things that do happen in the space. I don't know. But then you could say bad shit happens there too. Yeah, that's true. Nothing is ever all good. That's true. And I mean, I would leave a house though if something terrible happened in it. So I mean, I think I think I have such a different perspective on it now than I did, you know, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, just because we've moved so much and uh my kids had to move so much that and I am not I am a minimalist with things. It's so funny. Yesterday Katie and I were talking about doing another photo shoot. Katie's like, we can wear this or that. And I'm like, she's like, we get new windsuits. I was like, no, we are gonna use what we have. I was like, we are not buying new windsuits. We are not, and then I started laughing at myself because I'm like, that's kind of where I am now. It's like I mean, you're not wrong. And I'm like, I don't know if I'm wrong or right, it's just how I am now. Yeah, it's and I also like am now in this new thing about thinking about waist. Like I yeah, and not just like, okay, I don't need to get this thing, these pair pants at the store, not because I don't need them, but also like, or ordering shit online. Like, do I really need to use the environmental impact that this is gonna take for the packaging and the delivery? And then, you know, I that's something that is just in the forefront of my mind right now right now. But I think uh to go back to what we were talking about. I have such a different perspective now than I did before because we've moved a lot. Hurricane Katrina hit my family, took out a lot of stuff. I just my mom was a hoarder, and I've seen what happened after she died, and we're just going through literal thousands of pounds of shit. And not like shit, really, guys. Thankfully, just crap that you she didn't need. And it's like, I when I'm gone, I don't want anybody to have to worry about that stuff. And the things she missed out on because she never got that part of her fixed, or not fixed, that was a bad way of saying it. Yeah, she didn't work, she didn't work through those issues. You know, I don't know. So you may not feel like that years from now, whenever y'all get to the point of wanting to sell your house. You might be like, actually, I feel so good about this because we had such a great time here, and now it's time for the next phase. Yeah, you might be right. And I think that's where Graham's is. You're probably right, and it's been several years now since her husband passed. Yeah. And she had another boyfriend who passed. Right. And the basically her her family now is Jen, yeah, who's going somewhere else. And she's kind of like, I think she's just kind of like, this chapter is closed. It served its purpose. I don't need all this space, I don't need all this stuff. Let's go. Yeah. And new adventures. I think that's healthy because a lot of older people don't get like that. I guess it's a good perspective then for like an older person to have. So I kind of like that they wrote her like that. Yeah. That's a good point, you know? Yeah. Uh, did I miss something? Where did this Jeep come from that Dawson is driving? That's not his Bronco. No. I think or is it the Bronco with the top down? I don't think so. It looked like a like a Wrangler. I thought it was a whole different car. It was a really nice car. Yeah. They just like roll up in it. I know. I'm like, hello, where did this come from? Because didn't he get a Bronco? I thought so. I thought that was the decision they made. Also, dang, his friends got him a flip phone. Hello. It was funny though. They gave him the phone, but then I was like, it's just funny because like that's not really how phones work now, certainly. But even back then, it's like you still have to like get a plant. They're like, we can they're like, we can afford five minutes on it, unless it's like a burner phone, which I guess it could have been to have those. Oh no, that's like more of a common thing now. I remember having to pay by the minute. Yeah. And like if you went over your minutes, it was like astronomical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was cool where they handed him that. Do they do that now? Do you even pay by minutes now at all? No. Is that even a choice? It's just like a monthly plan. Okay. Yeah, I don't even think it's a choice, no. Um, the Spielberg question from Joey, where she's talking to Dawson and she's saying, You're gonna be in LA and you're gonna turn around at the bank, and Steven Spielberg's gonna be standing there. What do you say to him? And I thought that was an interesting question. And I was trying to think of like who I would see and what I would want to say. Oh, we all know that I would mess it up, so oh. I would too. No, you wouldn't. You would have something eloquent and calm. Not if it was like right in the moment, though. I might not. I think you would just freeze and not say anything. I think you're or you would say something very calm and eloquent. Well, thank you. I don't think maybe. If it ever happens, I'll live. I'm a diarrhea of the mouth person. I can be. Not very often, but it has happened. That happened, it happened to me once we need to in line at the subway. Did I tell you about this? It's really embarrassing. Oh, I can't wait. Go. But it was I was in line at Subway. This is like since I've lived here. So this was maybe 10 years ago. And this really attractive police officer in line behind me. This is getting better and better. And I recognize him because he's local, but like we're not what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02: 19:11

I was like, you don't live in Mayberry.

SPEAKER_00: 19:13

Yeah, I recognize him. And so anyway, we're standing there. You're you're just standing there waiting, waiting, waiting. So I just started talking to him. Next thing you know, I tell him my address.

SPEAKER_02: 19:24

What I do for I I just kept talking. I was like, by the way, I live at the time.

SPEAKER_00: 19:29

I mean, I would like you to be friendly, but not to overshare. I just couldn't like that's been wild. And he was like, Oh, okay, he was really nice. And then I got me to and I was like, well, bye. And then I like got to the car and I was like, what just happened? It was really strange. Was he that good looking? It just threw you. So follow up to that. No, he's so I just in my head, I was like, so we we had these other neighbors across the street. Our neighbors now are amazing, and and they were a little sketchy from time to time. And every now and then the police would show up. Sirens on or anything, but they like I don't know what they were doing. We were glad when they moved, let's put it that way. Did he show up? I'm dead. My kids are playing in the driveway and I'm with them. I go inside to grab like one thing, and my son comes to the door, and he and they're little and he's like, Hey, this police officer who says he's your friend is out here. So, first my thought is like, Oh my god, the police stopped because these kids are alone in the driveway. I guess I've only been inside for like 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_02: 20:29

So I go out and it was that guy. It was that guy. And I was like, again, just like frozen. And I was like, Hello, I was just getting water. I was like a complete mess. And the kids are just staring at me, like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_00: 20:45

And he's like, Oh, and I was like, what's going on over there? He's like, Don't worry about it. It's just like a subpoena or something. I don't even know. He's but there was like not an active, like violent situation going on. I was like, should we go inside? He's like, No, you guys are fine. And he like stood there and talked to me for a while. He's like, I remembered you lived here. He's like, it's that crazy lady's house.

SPEAKER_02: 21:03

Let me go make sure.

SPEAKER_00: 21:04

Don't be around us.

SPEAKER_01: 21:06

So then later that night, my husband gets home and they're he's like, Oh, how's the day? And they're like, Good, mommy's friend, the police officer's and because he's like really good looking.

SPEAKER_02: 21:19

I looked like guilty. He's like, who? And I was like, it's just his police officer. He's like, Why was your friend the police officer? I was like, no, no. They were across the street. I don't know what this stuff. To this day, he's still like you know your friend, the police officer.

SPEAKER_00: 21:45

I'm like this guy's still on the police force. Uh-huh. All right, we're looking him up after. Okay. You remember his name? Uh-huh. Oh, of course he does. We're going to put it on our social list. No, let's not. He doesn't listen to this, but we'll wonder if Natalie's husband knows him. Where does where's he on the force? It locally or in like okay. I don't know. I'm gonna invite him to one of your mind. This was a while ago now. I mean, this was it maybe 10 years ago that all that happened, but I still run into him here and there. And he's he's always very nice. He was like, Oh, are you still running? Because he would see me like running and like like wave from his police vehicle thing.

SPEAKER_02: 22:24

This is getting really funny.

SPEAKER_00: 22:26

It was really funny. And I'm like, no, I blew my knee out.

SPEAKER_02: 22:28

He's like, Oh, that's too bad. Oh my god, you told him yes. I don't, every, every oh, I saw him once at the gas station. I forgot about this. This is a couple years after that.

SPEAKER_00: 22:45

I see him at the gas station, and my new neighbors, who are wonderful, are emergency room nurses, and they were telling us all these like horror stories of um 4th of July. Oh, yeah. Oh my little fireworks and stuff. I happened to see him like July 5th. I'm coming out of the gas station, he's walking, I was like, oh my gosh, hi. I was like, boy, the 4th of July.

SPEAKER_02: 23:04

People are just like, you guys are probably busy.

SPEAKER_00: 23:11

Oh my god, Katie.

SPEAKER_02: 23:13

What I learned about this man. I mean, he's just so nice. He's just like, oh yeah, well, I we didn't have anyone specifically that that happened to, but we did get a lot of calls. I'm really tired. I worked really late. I'm going to get a Red Bull or whatever he was doing. I was like, okay, well, like, yeah, you know, people blowing their hands off people. It's just like, uh, yeah, I guess that happens. He's like, shit, I keep running into this movie. I can't. Poor guy. Poor man. Oh my god. Uh so yeah, sometimes I do have diarrhea of the mouth.

SPEAKER_00: 23:51

At least only when the people are super attractive, I guess. I guess. Maybe it's the uniform too. Maybe. I don't know. Poor man. I'm just saying you I would think that with a famous person, you would probably be able to like collect yourself. Like you'd probably take a second and be like, okay, I'm gonna walk over there and I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna be fine and do it. I might be able to do that. Or just say nothing, like you said, just admire them from afar. Probably. I could do neither of those things. Well, you met Billy Banks. Yeah, I acted like an idiot and then sent an email with my whole life story because note that I've never been in one of his videos to this day. Yet it's coming to this day. It's coming for you. All right. All right, so moving on. Sorry about that little aside of your one. Was glorious. So great. Um, okay, so oh, I just said oof, that goodbye scene with Joey and Dawson. And then I said, Did you have anyone like that? Like when you were getting ready to leave for school, was there anyone that you just felt like a huge heaviness to leave behind? No.

unknown: 24:58

Good.

SPEAKER_00: 24:59

That's good. Uh no, because like I knew I was, I went, I mean, I knew I would see my friends again. So it wasn't like I wasn't going that far. My college was about the distance Florida States from here. So like I knew I'd literally most of the people I was friends with in high school went to LSU. I didn't go there, but I was like, I'm gonna see these bitches, like it's fine. Or it was people I didn't care. You don't want to see them. Bye. I'm so glad to leave this town. I could not wait to leave. I could not wait to leave. Um, no, and I wasn't that sad to say bye to my mom. And it just was yeah. My sister was my sister was living in the town I was going to school at. Oh, that's nice. So she was there, she was there my first year. So her and her um her boyfriend at the time were still there, and so that was nice. I didn't see her too much, but like I would go over there and have dinner with them sometimes. It was nice to know somebody was there if something was wrong. That's what I was gonna say. Just have that reassurance, especially you know, five or six hours from home in a true emergency. That's far. Yeah, so it's just a little peace of mind, probably. And like on my birthday, like she made me dinner on my birthday. Oh, that's so sweet. Uh, and I was so sick. I had like this horrible cold. Oh, it was miserable. Uh, that's awesome. But I wrote Mitch's goodbye. Yeah. That I did tear up because it is hard. It's very hard. Like I talked about this on the last one. It's hard to know what to say that last moment, like right before your kid leaves. It's just because you want to say everything. And you just and he was he was funny. He's like talking about condoms and drugs, and it's like, just in case I didn't tell you all these things. Well, because that's the thing. Like, you you say the mushy stuff, but then you're like, but also practical, like be safe. And it was dumb when he was like, Dawson's like, I can't promise I won't have any narcotics. That was weird. What are you saying? I thought that was strange, but I can't promise I won't come steal your TV. I was like, okay, that that was also like that's not really how addiction works. You don't get to pick like once you get addicted to something. But yeah, I thought that part was weird. I liked I did like when Mitch said, um, you are one of my favorite people to Dawson. That was really, really cute. And then Jen said the line, wit, we like that around here. Yeah. From referencing the pilot episode. I thought that was really fun. Yeah. Um Graham's observation, how she's like, teens are so depressed these days, basically. So she so they're saying, she's like, Yeah, you don't want to like go go away to college and become an adult. And the best years of your life were high school. She goes, but I don't think that's a problem with today's teens because y'all are sad all the time. So you can only go up from here. And I was like, that's actually so valid, right now. So valid. So good, Grams. Um, and then when Pacey finally was able to call through and get Dawson, that was a really cool conversation. I got tears on that one too. Me too. And then I was glad that, well, sort of, at first, I was glad that Joey came back over. Because that first goodbye where he literally just walked her to the door from the Jeep and then got back in. So I was glad she came back over. But then they have this whole conversation, and I just wrote, Dawson still being a virgin and caring question mark. Because I got to, he's like, I'm the only one. So I'm it's like, we know I know, like but also I I don't like that they had them kiss at the end. I was gonna say, I don't like I was glad she came back over, but then I was like, Why like can't they just be friends? Like, can they just can they just end it on friendly terms? I know, like why do we always have to but then I wrote Joey be playing with these boys' emotions? She is fickle. She is fickle. She is girl. What are you doing, these two kids? She'd be back and forth. She don't know. She don't know. Who knows what's gonna happen when she goes off to college? I don't even remember. I guess we're gonna find out. Like I said, I I don't remember anything much about the college year. So when we will start watching, it'll be interesting. Yeah. And so do you think I guess we'll find out when we watch the first one in season five. Do you think it skips then the summer and goes right to when they're at college? I think it does because I know Busy Phillips is in this season coming out. All right. So, what did you think of season four? Overall, I thought it was good. And season three wasn't the best. I did not go back through my notes. I didn't either. I was going to, but you know they're in a million different notebooks anyway, so I'm like, whatever, not doing that. Um, I thought it was pretty enjoyable. Yeah, I liked it a lot. And I thought they did the like final season of high school pretty well. The only thing was um Andy leaving, I just thought was a little like, but I'm glad she came back for graduation. That was cool. And I didn't like Toby and Jack dating. I mean, they're gonna see this episode. I know. It's like he's kind of this integral part of the storyline, whether you like it or not, but then he's not in the season finale. But then Jack's not Jack wasn't a huge part of this episode either. He was in it, but they weren't really telling his story. I wonder if they were trying to decide if he was gonna come back. Hmm. So they did because they don't really talk about where he's going or what he's doing. Yeah, but they don't like you know what I mean. Like they didn't spend a lot of time on it the way they did the other characters. True. But I don't know. Well, I guess we're gonna find out in season five. So make sure you join us. And we're not taking a break like Katie suggested. We're jumping right in. Screw that, we're not doing that. Well, we're gonna have time over break. Yeah, no, I'm excited. Actually, you might not. It'd be fine. I want to know what happens next. I was like, she actually I have time, she may not. We'll see. Actually, we'll see. We'll make it happen. And so thanks for joining us on our Dawson Streak episodes, and we'll see you next time on Generation in Between. Bye.