Dawson's Creek, S4 E7 & E8: Goodbye, Andie

On this episode of our Nostalgic or Problematic series, we chat about Meredith Monroe (Andie) and her farewell in You Had Me at Goodbye. We also delve into our own philosophical questions, like who actually knows you best? Is it the partner who sees your everyday patterns, the best friend who holds your messiest truths, or the family who lived your origin story? 

In Episode 8, The Usual Suspects, we follow the cheesy detective homage to find the culprit behind the sailboat (and Golden Retriever) found in Capeside's pool. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Andie’s Last Episode Shock
• 1:45 Why Did Andie Leave?
• 3:40 Who Knows You Best?
• 9:45 Partners, Friends, and Family Dynamics
• 17:20 Joey’s Peer Recommendation Dilemma
• 23:10 Senior Year vs. The Lure of Europe
• 30:00 “Not All Friendships Last” Debated

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:01

Hello everyone and welcome back to our nostalgic of problematic series. I don't know why I keep saying that because we don't even say that anymore. It's the vibe though. We're revisiting the vibe old things. Things that are old things. Usually both. But we are re-watching Dawson's Creek. And we are on season four and we are choo-choo chugging along. We're cruising. Season four, we are on episode seven today. The title is You Had Me at Goodbye. So sad. The summary is an opportunity for time off before college prompts Andy to try to bring everyone together before she goes. I was so sad when I realized in the first couple minutes of this episode that it was Andy's last episode. What a way to write her off. It was weird. And why? I know we've discussed it, and basically it's very vague. It's just like, oh no, like her storyline wasn't interesting anymore, so she's gone. Is basically what the writer said. But I never found anything beyond that. And I just feel like I don't know. Her storyline's just as interesting as maybe not just as interesting as everyone else's, but kind of. Like it's right in there with everybody else. Yeah. Why'd she why'd she have to leave? I wonder if it was just her age, because she was so old. But you know what? That can't be because I hired her that old. And around this time on Beverly Hills 902 and oh, please. Andrea was like 30. I can't imagine in season four, it was her age. Yeah. I really can't. And she doesn't look any older than anyone. Like, if anything, she looks younger than some of them. So I don't know. I don't know. It made me sad. Uh so then we have this intro scene where Joey's talking to her guidance counselor at school, and she needs, first of all, a peer letter of recommendation. Is that a thing? No. Get your friend or your boyfriend or your girlfriend to write a letter. That'd have been great. I would have like 50 of those. But I was like, what college is gonna be like, yeah, let's read this recommendation from their like friend. Hello. But I said, as soon as like the woman's like, who knows you better than anyone? I wrote, is Joey really going to ask Dawson for this recommendation? Okay, so let's talk about this question that kept coming to my brain the whole time. Who really does know a person best? Is it your partner or is it your best friend? Is it a family member? Because, like, I don't know if it would be necessarily Pacey at that point in time, because she goes at the very end of the episode, she says, Dawson knows my past and you know my future. Right. And she gives examples like when her mother died and Dawson was there, and when they were like six years old and had an experience. Right. Um well, and and to provide even more nuance to that question that you're asking, it varies uh by where you are in life. Because I would say now my partner who I've been with well over a decade probably does know me best of everyone, probably better than my parents at this point. Oh, yeah, and my siblings. But when I was 18, I would have probably said someone in my family, probably. I, you know, it's interesting because this is gonna be controversial, and uh that's fine. You know, people who are like, oh, my partner is my best friend, blah blah blah. I think that's fine. But also, like, there are things that I talk about with my best friends that I do not discuss with my husband. I mean, well, I mean, that not that you wouldn't, but it's just but yeah, I've and maybe it's because I am a female and he's a male, and there there just are some things he will not understand. Giving birth, he ain't never gonna know what that's like. Having a vagina, he don't know. Okay. So, like, and there's things I don't want to talk to him about. Like, okay, for instance, I won't go into details. Katie and I were on a group text this week with a few other of our female friends who are middle-aged ladies. Oh, yeah. And we were talking about things. Our husbands do not understand what we were talking about, nor do they want to know about it. No. So I like Troy is my husband and he is my partner, but he is not my best friend. Yeah, but I think those are two different things. I didn't say the person who knows you best doesn't mean that that's your best friend. Right. So I don't know. I don't know what I mean. Like, like my partner would know a decent amount of my history and my goals and what I'm working toward and how I react in different situations, but then like my best friend might know like my deepest, darkest secret or my fear. So then who knows you best then? Yeah, I don't know. See, that's what because I couldn't I couldn't come up with an answer. Because then I think about like my sister. There are some times that I'm like, we understand each other the best when it comes to certain things because no like we have a very well my mom has passed away now, but there was no way to explain to anybody else in the entire world the dynamics of our relationship with her and her life and her persona. Nobody else got it except for each other. Sure. And so, like, you know, I would say she would know me best in a familial aspect. I would say my mom probably knew me the least amount out of anybody, which is crazy uh and unfortunate, but I think that, you know, it just is what it is. Yeah. So I don't know, but I I never came to an answer because I'm like, well, Troy knows me best like on a day-to-day, because we've lived together for 22 years. Right. So, you know, but there are times that I've I feel like, no, you have no idea what I'm talking about. And I'm like, let me go text Katie or let me go text Amber or let me go text my sister because he ain't gonna get this and he don't understand this.

unknown: 6:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 6:05

I mean, there's that, right? Right. So I don't know. I had a weird one. That's a weird one. So my whole point was I understand Joey's issue in this. Sure. I would have never thought that she should have Pacey write it. Yeah. Like ever. And hello, they've only been dating for like I would have said either her sister, Bessie. See, I would have thought that too. Or maybe Dawson. But then again, I would have thought Bessie, but then I'm like, well, maybe not, because there are ways that your family doesn't know you, especially when you get to be a teenager. True. That other people do. True. Your daughter knows way more about my son because they are dating than I do. It's true. I mean, I had to get a text from Katie telling me he was in a barbershop quartet the other day. I said, excuse me. He hates performing. But anyway, long story short, it's for his fraternity. I don't think he got voluntary. I think it's a little bit of a joke because he texted me a fundraiser he was doing and I and I donated to it and and didn't say anything back. So then he texted me a follow-up and said, Thank you for donating. And I said, No problem. Do you need help with your barbershock quartet music? That's amazing. And he said, Ha ha, I think I'll be okay. It's kind of a joke anyway. He cannot sing, guys. I love that kid and he's talented. Or maybe he can. Maybe he can't. But you know, he's got that super deep voice. So Cooper and I were talking about it, and I was like, oh my gosh, I bet you they have him doing bada. He's one of those. Like, yeah, boom, boom, boom, boom. Look, I can help you with that. I can help you with that baseline. Love that he did not tell us because I know why he did not tell us. Because you're gonna try to go to his performances. Because I was instantly, as soon as I found out, I said, I need video, please. A hundred? Well, yeah, you do. If it's happening during a fraternity thing meeting, it's probably not allowed to be video. That's a good point, too. That's a great point. I want to know is he gonna wear the little hats and the little bow tie and the like vests. What do you think? Because he was growing out a beard when I saw him last. He was? Uh-huh. Wow. Has he shaved it? I don't know. I have no idea. I haven't seen him either. Well, you hear more about his life than I do. So well, if I if if I see a video of him in the quartet, I'll make sure that you have access to that. Y'all. A kit, a too funny. I love it. Nothing. All right. So I don't have a a billion tons of notes for you. Neither do I. I had where when Pacey says not all friendships are meant to last, yeah. When he's talking to Andy, which I was confused again for a second, and then they explained it when like Pacey was just like hanging out at Andy's house. I was like, why are you here? Like, why do people keep showing up in random combinations? But then I realized they were taking turns spending time with her, and that's what they explained. So I actually thought that was really cute. But at first I was like, what? Okay, so then um the man that Dawson's helping, his name's escaping me now, the older gentleman, he finishes painting, but now he needs to whitewash the fence. And they kind of zoom back with the camera, and it's like the longest fence you've ever seen. And it all did need a little work. Yeah. So I was like, oh my gosh, that was really funny. Well, let's talk about what Pacey said about that friendships. Because I think when I was younger, that statement made me upset. But now I get it because I've lived a few decades, and it's true. Sometimes people are friends, you're friends with them for a season, and that's true. Okay. And some are not that way. But I and I've told my kids that too. It's harder to understand when you're younger. But like when I was a young mom, I had friendships that I needed during that time, or as a military spouse, you need during that time, and they were vital to my day-to-day survival, life, etc., that are not now. Yeah. And but I have some that lasted. And it doesn't mean that you have huge falling outs. Oh no. It just often it's just life. It's just the way it goes. And that's that's okay. Yeah. It's okay to sometimes I've now I can't remember the phrase, and I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck it all up. There's a phrase out there that goes like this, and now it's leaving me. But it's like here it goes. Friendships are for all right, keep talking. It'll come alrighty. But no, I agreed with what he said, although I think in the context that Pacey said that he is wrong. I know because they're not not wanting to be friends, they're all like angry with each other, and that's not the same. That's different. That's different. They're all mad. Um, okay. So when Andy's dad brings up this idea, hey, all you have to do is walk in June and you can take time off. You should go to Europe, you should go to Italy, which is bizarre. It's a little bizarre. And I mean, let's go see this random aunt in Italy and live with her. Yeah, and even Jack was like, Well, wow, we haven't seen her in like 10 years or whatever. Yeah, yeah. He's oh, you're gonna stay with Aunt G? We don't really know her. Kind of. Like, I was like, okay. Um, but I was thinking, okay, yes, this idea of like getting away and the like the dad's saying before, you're busy with Harvard and all this stuff sounds fun, but I you're also only a senior once. Yeah. You only get to remain being in like that home life and that school life. Well, I think Jack said that, yeah. Basically, yeah, he's like, You've been wanting this all this time. And it sounds super glamorous to go do something else, but there's also like, I think, and it's because I had a senior last year and I have a senior this year, I'm gonna have a senior next year. So what? There is something to that final part. Oh, yeah. Well, and you also need that final year because that's the beginning of cutting the strings, right? Yes, that's when you s begin to cut cut loose uh from your parents. You become you kind of become your own person. You most people turn 18. Like, you know, you gotta have it kind of gradual, I think. Because it's part of the development of life, right? I agree. And he even said, like, I always thought you'd be that girl at the party, like all the parties doing whatever. He said, like hosting the party or something, yeah. Yeah, I like what he said, but I also didn't like Jack's like whole spiel there and his tone. I was kind of like, he's being selfish. Well, and she says that. And she does say that later, which was good, but he's being like basically like, I don't want you to go. Right. And I always thought you'd be this person. It's like, well, who cares what you thought? Right. She can be like whatever person she wants. Also, understandable for him to react like that. Well, yeah. She's just almost died, too. And now that we know they're twins. No, they're not. Yes, they they are. Didn't we say that? We said that last episode. We said they should they should have just made them twins. They didn't. Jack's a year older but started school late because he was held back. Right. I know they should be twins. Wait, no, wait. No, we determined that they're not going to be able to do that. Hold on. I gotta look back. Everybody's yelling because they just listened to us. We listened to us. But we Googled it, it won't be in your notes. We looked it up. Yeah, and you read it from your phone, and you said Jack is a year older, but he got held back or started late, and she started early. So in the they're in the same grade, but he's older than Andy. Oh, because he said, he said, like, I tried to start kindergarten before you but they wouldn't let me. Yeah. And we said, why didn't they just make them rights? Okay. But they didn't. Man, I'm like, now that we know they're talking about it. Why does that not stay in my head? Because it makes more sense. He's leaving me. It makes way more sense for them to do that. I have like rewritten the narrative for myself so many times. Even when we had a whole conversation about it, I still went back to that. You're like, it's in my notes. I'm like, no, we looked it up. Wow. It's okay. All right, so here we go. Um, oh, I just said the thing about Jack guilting Andy into staying. Uh oh, okay. And then I said this question.

unknown: 13:35

I said, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 13:37

Did Jen actually do anything wrong? Like everyone keeps throwing it's even Drew is like, and I'm like, she didn't do it. And I said, this Drew kid is a sociopath. And why is everyone blaming Jen when Andy literally said it's not Jen's fault? I took it. Right. We like she told them this is what happened, and they're like, No, it's her fault. And she's like, I'm like telling you. It's not, and Jen didn't take it. I could think of it. If Jen had taken it and wanted her to, it was in her possession because Drew left it with her. The only thing that I think Jen should have done was told Jack, like Andy's on Andy's. I do agree with that. But that's still it's still not her fault that she did it. Andy asked her not to. I know. That's a tricky one. And she's a kid, but anyway. Um, and then I just put Dawson carrying paint supplies again. He's coming out of his shed, and there's Joey to ask him about the letter. Never ending paint. Never ending paint. I loved it so much. And he had lots of layers on there. I know he's back to layers. All the layers and the tool belt and the paint buckets. There's a lot going on. It's getting colder in Cape Side. I guess so. Is it? Didn't we just have like Christmas and Halloween? Oh no, it's senior year. Yeah, this is what's going on. Okay. Oh, when the older guy says uh they're eating dinner, him and Dawson, and he says, no talking at the dinner table. It's for eating. What did you think of that? You know what it made me think of? What? Oh god. So Troy's dad, uh, who is not with us, um, he was kind of a strict parent and like no nonsense military guy. Uh anyway, Troy was like, we used to always get in trouble, and he would say no singing at the dinner table. And I'm like, is that something you did? Like that was a role at our dinner table, too. But you could see me doing it. Correct. But guess who does that at our dinner table? Cooper. Oh my god. Okay, so the other night, like I was sitting on the couch. I was trying to finish research for Twilight Zone, and I tell Cooper all the time, because he sings at school a lot and he does the show. And I'm like, you have to like let your voice rest, especially because it's starting to change a bit. So I'm like, he's like, you know, give it a break. I'm like, you have to rest it, especially because hello, your mom had vocal cord surgery at 19. Like, maybe listen. But anyway, um, I was like, you need to just like rest it when you're home. Just chill out. If you're not practicing, like just chill out. Because you know, he also be talking a lot. Girl, I'm in there researching on my couch. This this kid's in the shower, belting his face. I love and non-stop. And I was like, Oh, can he just be quiet? I mean, he sounds amazing, of course, but like it's like non-stop singing. And you know, I've told you what Caden would say to us sometimes because Caden, you know, Caden, he he needs more quiet than than we do. Well, no, him and Shori need more quiet. And he'll be like, Cooper and I will start singing or we'll sing a song, like, or whatever. And what Caden every now and then would be like, Why is there singing all the time in this house? I mean, that is our house. Right. Literally, right? Like Tegan takes a shower, sings the whole time, Olivia Rodrigo blasting. Now Aaron's in there, she's singing Mean Girls. Now Amelia's in there and she's singing lots of whatever. And then London's in there jamming out too. And then there's me at the actual piano while all your brand showers are having. Brandt will sing. Yeah. He'll sing along to songs he likes. Okay. He can get really into it, but it's if he he'll do it like opposite-mindedly. Oh, yeah. So if you point it out, like if he sees that you notice, he'll stop. Well, you know what? My favorite thing is I've videoed Troy one time from outside the bathroom door because he'll like sing jokingly in the shower. Oh, it's cute. And like, and he was like, do not ever share that with anybody. But it was, I was like, I just want you to hear what you sound like. And we laugh so hard because he'll be in there like, he'll be like, calm, missing, no Christmas carols. Sorry to God. You're gonna have to turn shit way down on that. I will, I will have to adjust it. Uh, and it's it's hilarious because he doesn't sound bad, but he's definitely sounding like funny on purpose. And he will do it the his whole shower. Oh, that's he's committed. He is committed. And at Christmas time, he'll like make up Christmas songs. Uh-huh. I've told you about that. No, but that sounds great. Well, I'm gonna save it for a Christmas time. Save it, save it. Okay, we're moving on because you guys got work to do so. Yeah, I do. Uh, let's see. Oh, speaking of singing, at the end of the episode, I will remember you, the Sarah McLaughlin. I know. Sad anthem of our time. So sad anthem. And this I looked it up. This um was on in November 2000, this episode. So that's like very in the moment of that song. Um, I liked when Pacey said to Andy, You saved yourself. Yeah. When she said something to him like, What am I gonna do without you? You like pulled me back from the depths. Oh, I I'm sure I missed this. Help. Is Andy's mom just gone? I don't know. I thought I don't know either. Where is she? Because like there it occurred to me this episode because they're talking about Andy leaving, and then the three of them are off the house always doing stuff, and then I'm like, wait a minute, where did mom go? Yeah, I know when Andy went away, mom went away. Remember that? I don't and so did mom just not come back, but Andy came back. I guess she's in a like a facility. She must be, but I don't feel like they've said that. I they haven't. Okay. So now I can't help you there. But also, did you see at the end of this episode that the actor that played the dad died? You didn't see that. I didn't see it. At the end of the episode, it said in memory of Andy and Jack's dad. Yeah, he died during like this was from like after yeah, after it was all like post-production before it aired. Before it aired. So I'm like, what do they do? I'm I'm wondering what the storyline happened after that. I mean, he he may have died after the whole no, because they did it there. No, no, it said 2000, I think. Wow. I don't know. I guess we'll find out. Okay, so very funny line from Joey. I only have a couple more on this one. When Dawson brings her back the peer recommendation thing, she goes, You're either a very fight fast writer, which I know is not the case. Right. And I felt that. I was like, oh, that's a burn, but also true. And so he doesn't write the letter for her. And then Andy's little speech at the restaurant when she gets everyone there. It was pretty corny, but but it was I liked it. And and it was very so weird with reunion, like when they where they're all gathered and talking, and then they have that photo at the end where they've all got their arms. I think they were crying. Because it was her last episode. And I was getting mad. I was like, why did Andy leave? I'm really ticked off about that. She comes back for guest starring when they graduate and stuff. Still, I know, I don't know. Come on. And if that actress had like gone on to be like, you know, some huge star past that, I'd be like, I get it. Like she had other things to do, but like she just hasn't done a whole lot other than that, which is fine. Yeah. But like, I was like, it's not like she was leaving for better opportunities. Like, it just I don't know. It just was rubbing me there on. I agree. Um, okay. Next season season four, episode eight. And this is called the usual sucks. Success. What is that word? Suspects. Suspects. Uh-huh. I had too much coffee today. So see, I gotta get to like the fine line of having just enough coffee. I crossed over into the threshold. Like, I'm so wiggly right now. Like, I can't stop. You've also been sitting still forever. Yeah. And I've had too much coffee. I should have just kept it away. Anyway, Dawson, Pacey, and Jack are suspected of a senior class prank. Let's explain the prank. You go do that. They all get to school and someone's like, everyone, come look at the pool, the indoor pool at school. Yeah. And it's literally all never seen until now. Which we've never seen. Didn't know they had a pool. I mean, I guess it makes sense that they do, but we've never seen it. It has an entire sailboat. Not like a like cardboard boat they made, but like literally someone's, it's like, and is at the who's that supposed to be? Is that the principal? Sailboat? The dean? I don't know who I've never seen that man before. It's somebody else. So but then principal green left. Principal Green left, so maybe it is. Okay. That guy. So let's just say it was the principal. It's his boat and then his golden retriever on the boat in the pool. So that's the prank. And they're trying to figure out who did it and how. And it's it's meant to be very um kind of corny. Yeah, like film noir. Film noir. How do you say that word? Noir. Noir. No. Can't say it. Noir. Noir. There you go. Film noir. Okay. And so it's meant to be very like, say, where were you last night? Where were we? Tell me where you were at the exact hour of this time and this time. And the lighting's really dark. And even the guy's voice, the principal, whoever he was, was very like that detective-y kind of feel. And it was on purpose, but um, the dog was super cute though. But as soon as the dog gets off the boat, he goes right up to Jack like he knows him. Did you know the whole time that they probably did it? Yeah. Yeah. I figured they'd probably like work together. Something. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I am glad that they stuck it on Drew because that kid. Somebody gotta stop that kid. And he even said karma, tell like tell your boys karma got me or whatever. He told Joey that. I love that. Yeah. So um they had an NYPD blue reference. And a cop rocks. And a cop rocks. Yep. That was really funny. Yeah. Those were funny. Um, the alibi question. Oh, and then I put my thoughts. Here we go. No, it's fine. It's not that you wrote down my thoughts. Isn't that what the whole notebook is? Yes, but this has nothing to do with the episode. Right. But some I love that she clarified to herself in her own notebook my thoughts. When all the other pages, but I also heard that. But I didn't write down my thoughts. It's to remind me. It's to remind me to share my thoughts. Oh, you didn't write it down. No, I just said alibi question my thoughts, and then I have some other stuff after that. Okay. All right, ready. So there we go. I've thought about this when I listened to True Crime because people will be like, oh, and then they track that person down the next month and they couldn't remember where they were at 7 p.m. on that Tuesday or whatever. Like, granted, we have things like digital planners and stuff where you can figure it out. But I think about that sometimes. Like, if someone came to me now, like a cold case or something, they're like, in 2005, where were you? Who knows? And and honestly, if someone did that for like two weeks ago, I'd be like, they'd be like, Are you sure? And and I I would have to be like, wait, hold on. I don't want to lie. Right. But like, I gotta think about this for a second because I don't know where I was at that time. And so I just when they kept asking them their alloys, they're like, I think I was doing this or that. How do you know? Like, how would you know? Unless you literally could look back on documentation or social media or whatever to figure out where you were. That's true. I mean, I think about that too with crime. I don't do true crime, but I think about that. Like, how would somebody if somebody wanted to prove where I was six years ago at a certain time, go on? I don't even remember. I don't know how to do it. So literally, because we've moved so much. So sometimes I'll be, you know, like, well, I don't want to spraw me more because I have an electric car, but at the gas station, you know, you have to put in your zip code. I'm like, I don't where am I living? Like some I have so many in my brain. I could see that. Yeah. I could see that. Like if I if I had a different phone number all of a sudden, I would always default to my other one, which you used to have to every time you moved. You did. Okay. It was it was very cliche, but I thought it was funny when Pacey and his brother were in the donut shop. Yeah. That did make me giggle. Oh, they looked really good. I love me a donut. Yes. Um oh, I liked when Jack is like, hey, Molly, what do you think about being the goalie? And she said, thanks, but no thanks. I just loved that. Uh-huh. Um, but then Jen gives Jack, because I guess now that Andy's not there, Jen's helping coach soccer because they've made up whatever. And well, no, she was doing it for her community service. Oh, that's right. The 100 hours that she's got to get because of the whole I didn't even talk about that, but basically somehow Drew and her get called into the office, and and now Graham's is all mad anyway. Um, and so she says to him, Oh, I'm like Molly, we won't do it unless you make us mad. So then Jack, which I thought was some weird psychological bullshit right there. I don't get it. And then Jack says to her, guys aren't going to respect you unless you make them.

unknown: 25:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 26:00

I'm like, excuse me. Yeah. That's not her job. Yeah. Uh-uh. You just respect not all that. But he was trying to make her mad. Yeah. So that she did the thing he wanted her to do. But it's like, this is not some patriarchy at its finest on both ends of the stick there. Yes. Yes. The woman giving the advice, oh, this is how I would act if the man did that. And then the man being like, Well, you know, I guess it's up to you to make them notice you're great and respect you. And then that whole storyline with the families or the dads. It was dads. But you know what? I have seen sports dads be dicks. Oh, sure. Take it way too seriously. Way too seriously. Seriously. And then I have seen and the gender stereotypes make me so mad. I I I almost flew off the handle at a coach of Cadence when he played competitive baseball. Said to him, why are you swinging like a girl? Mm-mm. Uh-oh. I was like, okay, Danny, do not, do not, do not. Like, did you say anything? Never did. I didn't. I didn't. And I what I wanted, I wanted to fly out there and be like, let me show you what swinging like a girl looks like. Let me show you my fist and your face. Stand still for a second. Yeah. I was so pissed. I'm like, and of course, the thing that's always funny is it's like these coaches say these things when they can't do it. Right. That too. Like too. I can run laps around you, sir. So don't throw shade to females. And uh let me tell you what, there's some female softball players out there. Oh, no, thank you. That can put some MLB players to shame, Ma. Oh, definitely. Definitely. Anyway, yeah, yeah. I don't like that either. So sports dads, no. Mm-hmm. What else do you have? Oh. I put the Pacey when he kind of like cut kind of low with Doug. He was like, took it too far. Yeah. And like Doug was like, what are you trying to say, Pacey? Like, just say it. Yeah. And then it all comes back full circle because he sees like he's like, oh, you're wasting your time in this podunk town being a cop. And then he's he's like, I do more in a day. And then he sees him. Like he's helping people. He's actually helping people. Like he's actually helping the community in the ways he can. And he's so hot. He's he's getting hotter by the season. Right? So good looking. He's always been, but man. Yeah, he was really good looking. Incredibly good looking. Really good looking. Yes. And yeah, I and I kind of liked that arc because he does kind of seem. I mean, obviously he's always interacting with Pacey, who's his little brother, but like he does seem a little bit of a dick and a little bit self-absorbed Dougie with his like apartment the way he wants it and stuff. I I'm not saying that that's bad, but they've shown himself being his own little world. Right. So then to see him like actually out there caring about something, yeah, that is outside of him. Well they they've made it believable that he's a dick, right? They've made it believable because you aren't seeing every aspect. It's like you can't like cherry picking certain things of a person's life can fit whatever narrative you want. But then you see he's also like I'm here for the I'm here for that little spin. I I like the spin too. And then they have their little moment at the end, which is really sweet. That was really sweet. I really liked it. That's what I wrote. I loved their little moment at the end. I did too. And and I like now that Pacey kind of has a family. Yeah. I like the Gretchen stuff. I like the I don't really like Gretchen. I don't know. I didn't love her as much in these. In general, I like her on the show. But yeah. I don't. I don't know what it is. Yeah, that's all right. I know. I'm gonna send you an NCIS episode with Sasha Alexander. I'm not watching that. I mean, I don't I don't I don't mind her as an actress. I just don't really love her character. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. That's totally fair. Yeah. Um, but no, yeah, that was all I had. Don't too many NCIS. I will not watch it. You're like, just to loop back. Nope. I'm not. I hate true crime. Like when you were speaking to the ghosts. Listen. I still stand. Oh, we have to say, oh, she might not hear it. We'll do it on our next episode. We got to talk about Hannah and the medium. We'll do it on our next one. Yeah. On the and also, um, if you only tune in for Dawson's Creek and you're watching. Is there anybody who does that? No. Probably not. But if in the future you may have noticed we're in costumes. Oh. Because we did not address that. We did not. If this clip. You know what's going to be funny is when I do little sound bites and there's no content. Like a bellhop and a maleficent. A bell hop and a maleficent go into a podcast studio. And then what's the punchline, readers? That's either a really bad joke or really bad porn. So could be both. And this has believed it. It could also be the beginning of a Twilight Zone episode. That's true. Which is fitting. You know what we should do? We should write our own. I'm telling you. I'm not, you're the writer. If you told me what it should be about, then I could write it. I'm good. You get the ideas, I'll write it down and do the dialogue and stuff. I'm really good with coming up with ideas. I'm not good at them like the um uh panning out. Got it. I do that with everything in life. And Cooper's the same way. Troy was like, that's an extrovert quality of like thinking of all the things and then having no fucking clue how to do it in reality. How to execute it. Because I'd be like, we should have a party and do this and that, and it'd be so great, and then do that. And he's like, How? And I'm like, oh. He's bringing you right back down. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would argue that you and Cooper are are good at executing ideas. You just might have bigger than life ideas sometimes that you're not sure how to start. But overall, I think you guys are good at that. All right, I will come up with a premise to a Twilight Zone episode. Okay. Let's do it. I'm serious. And then you write it. Okay. And then, ooh, it might be fun just to do like a like a reading of it. Okay. Like read the story. What if it's so shitty? That would make it even funnier. That'd be okay. That would make it even no expectation of quality. Okay. We should also do a Dawson's Creek episode. That'd be fun. Would it be like like fan fiction? Like fan fiction. I like that. We should. We're doing it. Okay. All right. Well, stay tuned. In all our free time. In all our free time. Stay tuned, listeners, for more Dawson's Creek, more costumes, and more apparently original content that we shall now be developing. That could be a whole podcast episode. I think so too. Do we have time to do that before next week? Which one? Dawson's? Twilight Zone? I think we I think we could.

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I think we could do it. Because those aren't that long. Send me your ideas. We'll start a Google Doc. Okay. All right. Well, I guess um listen in uh to our next ones. Listen in somewhere to something. We will have something for you. And um leave us a review wherever you're listening. And we'll catch you next time on Generation in Between. Bye.