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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Ouija Boards Revisited: An Iconic Xennial Fear
Did you ever attend a sleepover that involved asking a piece of cardboard questions about your future?
Have you ever wondered if a heart-shaped piece of plastic held the keys to your future?
If you refuse to open the portal on a Ouija board, even as a grown-ass adult, you might be a Xennial. And we are too.
Join us as we delve into the background details, and Reddit threads, involving Ouija boards and their place in popular culture.
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If you've ever asked a piece of cardboard who you were going to marry one day, you might be a Xennial, and we are too. Hi, I'm Katie and I'm Danny. And now she's handing me her phone to read what I'm supposed to say. So you're listening. I got it. The Generation in Between, a Xennial podcast, where we remember, revisit, and sometimes relearn all kinds of things from our um 80s childhoods and then damn it, I messed it up again. I know she showed me and I said, I got it. No, I didn't. From being 80s kids and 90s teens, everyone. Yes. We did it. We made it through the nice job. And today we're continuing our spooky season. Uh we're kind of splitting up rewatches with other topics. Right. So last week we talked about Urban Legend, and then we've got another movie coming up next week. So this week, I did the research and we are talking about Ouija boards. Yeah, which we don't have one here, guys. We do not. And we're going to. Well, I decided early on I wasn't going to bring it only because my this space is also my studio and we have people of all different faiths who come here. So I was like, well, and I just, I don't know. I don't know. I'm freaked out by it. Okay, we're gonna get into it. And I was like, I'm not gonna take this into my studio space. But that being said, and we'll get into it. There, we'll get into it. But before we do, um, really quick, what um is your experience with Ouija boards? Did you ever own one? No, we never owned one. It's so funny because my sister called me last night. I was talking to her. She listened to our like our latest episode, and she goes, Oh my god, Danny, I cannot believe you're about to do an episode on Ouija boards. She's like, You are not gonna touch it, are you?
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And I said, Well, Katie's probably gonna make me. I think she's bringing it. And she was like, Well, you better make sure you close the fucking doors that y'all open. We're gonna talk about it. And I was like, What do you mean? I don't know. She's like, hello, don't you watch TV shows? You have to close the portals or the things hang on to you. And I'm like, what are you saying? So while this is so funny. So while I'm talking to her, I'm like, I don't, I think we're gonna be okay. And she's like, No, you gotta, you can't be doing that. And so while we're talking, her wife is looking up on Google how to how to close the door when you're done with a Ouija board. Yeah, it's the whole thing. She said, It's fine. Y'all just make sure you make it go to goodbye. It's like, okay. So I was all prepared, like to just suck it up and be scared. And my sister's like, well, don't call me if some ghost follows you around. Right. Well, and we'll get into this, but some people do say, like, if you're not doing it at home, to not go home right away, so that the spirits go like somewhere else. Stop. Yeah. So let me just preface by saying the reason I didn't bring it here, and also the reason I ordered one and didn't even open it and threw it right in the trash can. I didn't even open it because I really I was doing the research while I was waiting for it to come in the mail and I I did get freaked out. Oh my god, this is a good idea. And I do think I don't want to make I also like don't want to make light of any of it because I do think people have had genuine experiences with it. And that's why I'm freaked out because I'm like, yeah. And a lot of things I read said that like if you are really looking for an experience through that, like trying to contact someone specific or whatever, that you need to get like a professional to help you, like a medium. And I was like, well, I I don't know any, and also I didn't have like a specific thing, and I just thought, I don't, I don't know. I know literally, it's just like cardboard and paper that I ordered through Amazon. But also, like, what if not? Not trying to bring that into my life. I know I did say, I mean, I said this last time. I don't think something you can buy at Walmart is gonna conjure the dead, right? But maybe it's not that that conjures the dead. It's just that's just a distraction and it's just whatever else. It's probably that. It's probably you just sort of saying that you're open to it through the use of it, that you are that some people are able to have those experiences. Well, I'm glad you don't have it here because I was It's not here. I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no. Okay, gonna do it. All right, so let's get into this and we're gonna get into some stories about it too. Have you used one before? Never. Oh, you haven't? Never. That's partly why I wanted to do this because I was going to use it, and then I just freaked myself out too much. I did, okay. Maybe we did have one. Tara, tell me if we had one. We may have had one for all I remember, but I did I remember doing it lots of times when I was a kid. I mean, I would say just like any of this, it was it's probably well, and there's a little bit of psychology behind it and that sort of thing, which we'll get into. Like, I'm not moving it, you're moving it. Yeah. And then like people genuinely believing they're not moving it, but there's been yeah, like brain studies while people are using it that prove you're subconsciously moving it. It's like a lie detector test. Like you can make yourself believe you're telling the truth when you're really lying. Right. Or or or just subconsciously. Yeah. Your body's just kind of taking over. Okay. So there are some stories that I found. I did go down um uh Reddit rabbit hole. Those were the ones that really freaked me out. That's great. That's the place for rabbit holes. That's the place. Um, so many. And so I grabbed a few from there, and then I found a Reader's Digest article from like 2022. It'll be linked in our sources and our notes. Reader's Digest is still a thing online, I guess. Because when I well, I started on Reddit and then I just looked up like um because I was like, okay, who where else can I find stories that people have shared? Um, obviously I went on like social media and stuff too, but I just went into Google and I was like, stories about people who have used Ouija boards, and it was like the first article that came up. So I have a few from that one too. All right. But that one was interesting because it was very clickbaity-y. Oh. It was very much like, ooh, that's scary. Maybe you should stick with our Halloween cookie recipes. And it was like, it was like linked, and I was like, what? And then I'd read. I'd read the next one, and it would be like, just like these scary Halloween mugs that we have. And I was like, um, and of course, those were all like, you know, first name only like Ted. Oh, yeah, yeah. Or like Marie or whatever. And I was like, I don't even are these real? Did we just make these up? I don't know. But the Reddit stuff, they were real people who posted it. Well, you know, whether it actually happened or be made up, right? That's what I'm saying. They could be made up, but they were actual people who posted it. I don't know. Maybe. Either way, it makes for some fun stories, and there's some true crime stuff coming up too in this episode that involves Luigi board. First of all, let's talk about our sweatshirts before we get into it. 11 minutes into the show, guys. No, it's like seven. We're doing okay. Oh my gosh. I got us some really cute spooky season sweatshirts. Really fun. Thanks, Walmart. From Walmart, and it says Hey Ghouls, and it's three ghosts dressed up like uh the girls from Mean Girls. Regina. Yeah, Mouse, duh, mouse, and the like Playboy bunny, and then the cat. Hilarious. It's super cute. And it has a bat or a bat or two on it. I don't know. I just thought they were cute and they were funny. They're hilarious. So super cute. We are wearing them. Okay. So we're just gonna start at the very beginning because I think I actually did learn a lot about like what an actual Ouija board is, how it originated. That's what I want to know. Like I have no idea where it came from, when it's and why, and all that. Yeah, okay. So, first of all, just what is it, right? Okay. The Ouija is actually what it's called. Oh. But it's mostly known as a Ouija board, a spirit board, a talking board, or a witch board. It's flat board marked with the letters of the Latin alphabet on the numbers zero to nine, the words yes and no, and occasionally hello and goodbye. Oh, yeah, with various symbols and graphics. It uses, it's called a planchette. It's that small heart-shaped piece with the clear piece. Yeah, so it's called a planchette, and that's your movable indicator to spell out messages that you would be using during a seance or the time you're using the Ouija. So participants place their fingers on the planchette, which then moves on the board to spell words. Who's doing the moving? That's up for debate. The name Ouija is a trademark of Hasbro, see, which was inherited from Parker Brothers because they bought them out. Uh, but it's often just used to refer to anything like this. So there's more than just like the Ouija brand, there's other versions of this.
SPEAKER_01:So it doesn't mean anything?
SPEAKER_00:Yes. So a lot of people used to say that it came from the French word we and the German word ya, which both mean yes. So yes, yes, yes, yes. But apparently that has been debunked, okay? So hey, if you're listening and that's what you thought, wrong. I I'm sure there's so many of you. Um supposedly it was given um when someone when a medium named Helen Peters Nosworthy asked the board to name itself, and that's what it spelled. And then um, when asked what the word meant, it spelled out good luck. So it's ghost language. Ghost language for good luck. So I guess this spooky season, if you want to tell your friends good luck, just say Ouija. Wait, I need That's it. I need to know more about this lady. Like she was in the toy factory when they were No, no, no, she's a medium. Well, so I think they didn't have a name. Like, I th that's what I'm trying to understand. Right. Before Hasbro had one. Oh, okay. So they didn't invent it. They did not capitalize on it. And then exactly. Got it. And they put that name on it. Okay. So, in fact, one of the first mentions of like this talking board or this idea uh was found in China around 1100 AD in the Song dynasty. So the method was known, um, there's a long word for it, but it meant planchette writing, which was the use of this tool that you put your fingers on and um you would communicate with the spirit world with it.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And it would go to different um things that meant symbolized things or words. That's kind of where it started. And so people have been using different versions of that in different cultures, at least since then. Okay. Could have existed before that. And so that name happened in the uh late 1800s. Okay. With this Helen Laney or whatever. And I don't know. Oh, yes, I do. Okay, so here we go. In 1890, a group of businessmen, including Elijah Bond and Charles Kennard, patented the board as a novelty item. How'd they find it? I'm sure just through it said it became popular at the end of the 18th century as part of the spiritualist movement. Oh, like when all the psychics and stuff were and it that whole movement was about communicating with the dead. Yeah. And seances kind of came into like so they like sure saw it and they're like, oh, we can make money off this selling this to children. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. They claimed that it allowed people to receive messages from beyond. So how do we feel about that? Yucky? Yeah, I feel yucky because I think, especially if it goes back to 1100 AD for sure, probably even further back in different cultures. I don't know, communicating with the dead across cultures and across time is just sort of a sacred thing. Some people believe in it, some people don't. And to kind of take that and be like, let's slap a patent on it and like mass market it is kind of gross. Yeah, it's icky. And that's also what makes me like, well, how much power could it really have? That's what I'm saying. But as you mentioned, it's more your, I think it's your openness to accepting those things that might be otherworldly that opens those kind of portals. Well, I would like to make a public um announcement right now. I am not open to any of that ghost out there. Keep it closed. Ghosts, listen up. I do not want to talk to you. Leave me alone. I don't even care if you're a nice ghost like Casper. I would like to not hear you. Thank you very much. The end. All right. So we heard it here first. I thought, I think that I'm like open to that kind of stuff, but the way that I was scared of this way that I didn't even take it out of the plastic wrapping and threw it in the trash is making me think, oh no, I'm also not open to it. Please go away. I mean, do you know a lot of dead people? What do you mean?
unknown:I don't think that way.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, I know people who have died. Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin. What do you hold on? I mean, have you had a lot of people in your life that have died? Not, I wouldn't say a lot. I can only think of maybe five. Okay. Yeah. Cause I think I I actually do have a lot of people in my life that have died. And I don't think I would like to talk to them again. Yeah. I well, no, not like in a mean way. It's just I personally, where I am right now in 2025, 44 years old. I don't I think once you're gone, you're gone. I think that's it. I know that's and that's very sad for a lot of people, and we don't like to think of that as humans. We don't, we don't like, we we like to think we're bigger than that. I don't really think we are. But there's a purpose beyond that. So I don't know. Now, I don't know. I I still don't know where I land on like the energies and like the the things. But I just don't, I think I kind of think once you're gone, you're gone. But if I'm wrong, I don't want to talk to nobody once they're dead. Right. I don't, I don't like it's I just would rather Don't prove her wrong. Well just let her think it. I don't know. Because the reason I asked you that is because a lot of times people who have lost a lot of people in their life, they want to like talk to somebody again or like make sure they're okay. But then I don't think that helps. I think it makes it worse. I guess maybe that's the question then. When you said, Do you do you know a lot of people? Sorry, that was the I think the question maybe that you're trying to get at is like, would you even want to communicate with those people that those could be? I don't know. I mean, I've told you about the dream I had about my where I think my grandpa came to me in my dream and warned me about something. Right. And whether that was actually him protecting me um from something dangerous or just my subconscious, like creating that knowing something was about to happen and kind of creating that for me. I don't know. I I feel like maybe in those situations, but then also like life is meant to be lived in this life. Right. So getting warnings and premonitions and predictions to me is a little bit like that's not really how it's supposed to go. Well, because then it can't, it's like the butterfly effect, because then you don't know if you fix something that was gonna like how it affects everything else and blah blah blah. Maybe it was supposed to happen, right? Well, it's all supposed to happen. Well, in theory, depends how you look at it. Depends on how you look at it. Well, that's a rabbit hole right there. That's a big one, guys. Oh boy, okay. But capitalism board, not patriarchy, because it was men. Yeah. Of course it was men, businessmen wanting to make money, being like, let's sell some ways to talk to spirits to children. Yeah, exactly. Sleepers, open all the portals. Open them all. Just open all the maybe that's why we're we're at now. Yeah, just thinking. All the Ouija board, Elijah Bond and Charles Kennard. Way to go, guys. Way to go, Elijah and Charles. You have created this mass we're in now, dare you. You don't care because you're dead for a long time. So I also wrote out like the exact way that it works, but a lot of it's what I just said about the board and the planchette tour. You've never done it. I've never done it. So I mean, I get I've seen enough like in pop culture that I know how it works. So I will give a firsthand account of how it works for our audience because some young kids out there may not mess with this. I don't know. Or some old kids like me. Well, no, no, no. I mean, they may not know what it is. Right. I mean, you gather around the board. Everybody who's the in the circle has to put two fingers on the what is it called? Plancha. Girl must have platelet. I love how they look at the camera like like the people watching YouTube. Like the people watching YouTube, like, can you believe this person? No, they cannot. They cannot. So you put God, that is a horrible gesture as well. Let me get rid of that. You take two fingers and place, I'm not gonna do it again. Put them on the planchette, and you lightly place them. Because what somebody is, somebody always is the jokester that pushes down and moves it. And everybody has to do it lightly. And then you have to move it somewhere to start it, right? Yes. Let's see. I'm skipping ahead. Uh you you move it to hello, maybe to start it. You're right. Yeah, it starts on hello. And then you just, well, I don't think we ever followed directions correctly. That was another thing I told my sister. I said, I'm gonna read the directions, so I'll make sure I do it right. And she's like, Read the directions. She was like, see, that's where I would not do it. I would just bust right in and try and open all the portals. And I was like, Well, I mean, there's directions there for a reason, but yeah, anyway. Uh, and then you ask it questions or you ask who's there, whatever you do, and then it spells out things. Right. But you are supposed to always go to goodbye if you get scared. Right. You can't just like run away and you gotta go to goodbye. Correct. Because that's how it closes, supposedly. Yes, but if you watch horror anything, you know that's not always true. You can go to goodbye and people still claim and happened. No bitch, I leave in. One like there was there's like etiquette rules of it too. So they say you should like warm up the board before asking it questions. You should sort of make it do jumping jacks. It says move the planchette in slow clockwise circles to build up. Oh, yeah, you go, yeah, you rotate it around. I know. I know. Wait, I heard it too. Always warm up the board, guys, and clockwise circles.
unknown:Look.
SPEAKER_00:Look, Charles and Elijah be playing jokes, okay? But they'd be doing a lot better than a lot of other strangers out there. That's a great point. That's a great point. Well, the next one is maintain contact. Oh, well, at least one person must keep contact with the planchette until the session is officially closed. If everyone lets go, a portal may be left open. So you can't just someone has to stay touching it at all. Okay. That's good to know. Um I do remember doing that now, that doing that now. You start with hello, and then you like, yeah, you go around the board. And it and they do say in the directions to make it clockwise. I remember that. Okay. You can't go backwards. I don't know why. I don't know why either. It does say don't ask bad questions. Yep. Refrain from asking about death, the future, or any dark or negative topics, because these questions are believed to attract malevolent spirits. Which, of course, what do you think you do at a sleepover? You do all you ask like when am I gonna die? Or you ask dumb stuff that you shouldn't. Yeah. No, I would just ask about love. I would. I'd be like, who am I gonna marry? That's probably what I would have asked. I can't remember what we I don't know what I would ask it now. I don't know what I thought I was gonna ask it. Maybe just like my name or can you tell me my name, please? I need to know it. What? Well, to see if it knew my name. I would but that's the other thing. I think I was just gonna do it by myself. That wouldn't have worked. Why did I say I would do research on this? Although I have learned a lot and I am learning a lot from you. So thank you. What'd I do? I just said uh dinner. You're explaining how it worked, which is better than me. Which is better than me, the person in charge of this episode. You are excited to do it. I I still am, but can you tell everybody where that Ouija board is now? It's out in my trash can, in my driveway. Okay, why didn't you just return it to Amazon? 20 bucks right there. I don't know. Send that shit back. I just reminded it at my house. Right. Take it to the Kohl's and send it back. True. The Coles is not near my house. Well, give it to your background. You're gonna take it? Is it? Well, now it's in the trash. Well, yeah, I'm not taking it now. It's gone. All right. Uh, this is what your sister-in-law was saying. Rules for closing the session. Yeah. Always say goodbye. Uh-huh. When you are finished, respectfully thank the spirits and move the planchette over the word goodbye. This is considered essential for closing the session, avoiding negative consequences. I completely forgot about that until my sister mentioned it yesterday. Yeah. And then it all came back. I was like, oh yeah, you like absolutely. I really wish I could remember if we had a Ouija board or if it was a friend's. She'll tell me. She'll tell you. I'll circle back next week, guys. Sounds good. It does say properly store the board. The board and planchette should be stored separately. Well, that's not how it's packaged. I know. And the planchette should never be left on the board unattended. Well, okay. I'm just saying. And if uh if you need to dispose of the board, do it properly. If you experience ongoing negative effects after a session, well, see, I never had a session. So maybe I'm okay. Some traditions advise breaking the board into seven pieces, sprinkling holy water on it, and burying it. Never burn a Ouija board. That's what it says. Why not burn it? I don't know. You burn vampires. Yeah. And witches. That's a really good question. Maybe the burning releases the energy. The plastic fumes. The pl yeah, exactly. Okay. All right. So I want to talk about then because I think we all either it's happened to us or we know people that have stories that are like, but it did spell this thing, or it did know this thing, and like it worked, or something happened, right? Supernatural in the experience. So scientists do have a name for this, and it's called ideomotor effect. The ideomotor effect is a psychological phenomenon where a person makes unconscious movements that are responses to their thoughts, expectations, or even suggestions, and often they're not aware they're doing it. So, in simple terms, your body moves automatically because of what's going on in your mind. Yeah. Even though you don't realize it's you causing the movement. Interesting. Right. So there's Ouija boards are an example of this, right? Where they feel like they're doing it. I found a couple other examples too. A dowsing rod, which is people searching for water and minerals. What? Think that it's it that's another thing where like they're trying to, it's a special rod that finds like gold or silver, sort of like in a supernatural way. Okay. It's like a finding tool. It's called a dousing rod. Dowsing rod. D-O-W-S-I-N-G. Oh, I like dousing. I thought it was D-O-U-S-I-N-G. No, dousing. Dousing. Yeah. Um, and they're like trying to get like vibrations or something. Yeah. And so they think it's moving, but really it's just their own brain. Oh, like the ghost hunters have. Yeah. Gotcha. Like that. Uh pendulum tests, right? Holding a small pendulum, like asking it. It can be influenced by your subconscious thoughts. Brains are weird. Mm-hmm. Brains, brains are weird. And what our bodies do with our what's happening in our brain is weird. Because I I can distinctly remember using a Ouija board and feeling like, okay, it is moving for real. And the way that's that's the other one. I forgot. This is the most important. You can't rust your hand down. You have to keep your wrist elevated. Oh, okay. Because that way it's like you have light pressure on it, so it's moving. Okay. That makes sense. Because you would have more like momentum if you had your hand grounded. I also wonder if they just don't want you like touching the board. Because if you've got your fingers on the planchette, you're not touching the board. Well, yeah, but also it's a good way to know if if people somebody's trying to push it because you're like very lightly pressing. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. And it's a weird if you've ever done a Ouija board and felt it think that you felt it move, whether it's by your subconscious or a person sitting there with you. It is a creepy feeling. It is like it's creepy. I can't even imagine. It's a creepy feeling. That's scary. So understanding the ideometer effect helps explain things like why some paranormal experiences do feel real to some people, and how suggestion and belief can influence behavior, like not on purpose. And that some people really aren't faking it. They genuinely believe that these experiences are happening, uh, even if, you know, maybe they're not. I think that's for every person to decide. But so what they're saying is it's still happening, it's just not for the reason you think. Yeah. Got it. It might be moving, but it's probably you moving it. Even if in your head you're going, don't move it. Let it do whatever it needs to do. So was there so like I'm just imagining these Ouija boards being mass produced in like a factory. Right. You know, like the little platelet thing. What's it called? Planchette.
unknown:Planchette.
SPEAKER_00:Like in its little plastic mold or whatever. Right. I'm like, did they think of like, did they know all these things when they were making it or not? They're just making it. I would assume they did. I would assume they know. And I I guess I would need to look and see if I could find either something online that documents like the first one that was ever patented and manufactured. Because when did it be a good thing? Like, did it say when they came became available? It was in the late 1890s. No, I mean like um like when did Hasbro buy it? That was when they oh yeah, it didn't say, but it does say they became really popular in the 1970s. Okay, so they were being manufactured before that, but that was the big expl That's probably when they bought it. Okay. Because can you guess why they became so popular in the 70s?
SPEAKER_01:Mm-mm.
SPEAKER_00:This is a movie throwback after the Exorcist was released. Yeah. In that film, the young girl first makes contact with an evil spirit through a Ouija board. From that point forward, the board was linked in the public imagination with the supernatural. Wait, the little girl used a Ouija board? It's been a long time since I've done The Exorcist. Yeah. Yeah, the young girl does. That's how she first connects with that spirit world. Oh. Yeah. I don't know. That then needs to be exorcised. That movie's scary AF. That movie's really scary. And like the behind the scenes and background of that movie is really scary too. Legit. So, as you can imagine, and you probably already know, but young people might not. Mainstream Christian denominations, especially Catholicism, warn against the use of wagy boards. They consider it a satanic practice. While other religious groups hold that it can lead to demean demonic possession. Yes. Which is why you didn't have one in your house. Right. I think, like, to my parents' credit, they like for as much as faith as they have in like the good and like the good part of their religion and why why to be a Christian or whatever, they give equal weight to the evil that exists. And so I think really they probably are just being fair both ways. Like if we're going all in on this side, then we're gonna go in all in on this side too. And I think it was just like a yeah, like just don't have have it in the house at all. Why risk this when we know there are opportunities that maybe evil looks for to enter someone's life? You know, I'm just thinking back to like my time in church, which wasn't that long ago, guys. Not long ago. And I think about how it's talking like how we'll go on a little rabbit hole and then we'll get out of it. How uh evil is talked about in a lot of church settings, and it's almost like it's like the boogeyman. And it's interesting to me to look at it now from like being on the outside of it, it seems so silly. It not that evil there like I don't think evil is a um is a concrete thing, it's just right, it's just like neither is good, correct. So, but I feel like as humans and religion especially, we try to put like personophile out of the things. Yes, right, because it makes it easier to avoid, it makes it easier to um understand, I guess. I don't you know it's weird because I was thinking about like me growing up, my mom loved like like I grew up in a Christian household, but it was a lot more progressive and it was it was different. And and my mom loved horror, and my mom totally believed in supernatural and aliens. My mom actually like she actually believed that she could see spirits sometimes. Yeah, that's fucking scary as a kid. That's scary. Okay, and not in a bad way, not in a scary way. Um, but I mean, I remember her telling me a story. One time when she was a kid, when she first realized that she thought she could see, she was in a car and she was like, Why is that man standing against a stop sign? And they were like, There's nobody there. And she was like, uh, yeah, there's a guy, like, just stand there. And and then she had a couple other things happen, and I was like, Okay, well, that's some sixth sense kind of stuff. Yeah. But I don't remember her ever talking about like evil spirits. Right. Or like, so it's interesting to me that she just decided that she was believing in it, but only only the the the harmless. And maybe I'm wrong. My sister will correct me. Maybe I'm wrong. That's just what I remember. Yeah. She also probably didn't want to scare you more than you already were. Well, that's probably we know you were scared. Um, that's probably one of my kids when they were small, like just learning how to maybe toddler age three, would talk about the house they used to live in. What? Yeah. And they would be like, Yeah, you know, the greenhouse that I was in that had the fire, and then I came over here, and our house used to be pink, it's blue now, but and they were like, and then I came over here to this pink house to live with you guys. Stop.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:And did that creep you out? Really freaked us out. And I've asked the kid about it now that they've gotten older and they don't quite remember it. Right, because they're little. And they were like small, and I remember at the time being like, what did they watch? What did they see? And I couldn't figure out what it would be related to. And it wasn't scary. It was like, oh yeah. Like just a matter of fact. Yeah, like I I lived in a greenhouse and I was a baby, and then um, when the fire happened, I came here with all of you guys. Yeah. What? I know. So I keep a little eye on that one. Um, we'll see. I haven't I haven't looped with them lately, but I will say it's one of my more empathetic children. Oh, that makes sense. So I don't know. Well, you know, I should maybe rethink myself because my mom said when I was a baby, I would creep her out sometimes because I would look up towards like the air vents and I would like baby talk like conversations all the time. And she said, well, she said it was crazy because I would be like blah, blah, blah, blah, la ha. And I'd stop and I'd watch and then I'd go again. Wow. Weird. Yeah, yeah. Right? You might be uh blocking something. I said I am closed. Okay, we closed. Nope. I don't believe in that turn, but I'm also closed just in case I'm wrong. No turning back. Um, occultists are actually divided on the issue. I was gonna say, I would love to know from people who, you know, do believe in in the spirits and all the things. Yeah, so I mean, some do claim it's a tool for connecting with that other world and can be positive in that communication, while others warn against inexperienced users using them. Yeah. And that they can trigger bad spirits or happenings in their lives. I mean, just don't mess with shit you don't know about. Just throw it right in the trash. Order it first and spend money on it. Then just throw it right out in the trash. Just send that shit back. I don't know. You know what you should do. This would be so mean. Um, you should just place it on somebody's porch you don't like. Leave it in the package. Oh, yeah. You would never do that. I would never do that. I know that would be funny. That would be funny. We are wearing mean girl shirts, I'm just saying. Now, if you are someone listening that I like that would like it, reach out to me. But then I gotta hold on to it until this episode comes out. And it's also been in my trash in my driveway. Just return that shit and get your money. Get my money. Yeah. I mean 20 bucks, right? It's probably about 20 bucks. I guess it is about 20. Maybe 25. Yeah. Girl. Games are expensive. I just called it a game, but you know what I mean. 25 bucks. That's that's some uh important money. And what's funny is, you know, sometimes Amazon packages stuff together. So it came and my husband opened it because we were waiting for this like fancy dog food from my little dog. He's like, what the fuck? And he pulls it out, and in the bottom is just a sweetie board. And he's funny because he doesn't like believe in anything about anything. And he was like, Why is that here? And I was like, Oh, it's for an episode. He's like, You're doing an episode on that, and honestly, that kind of freaked me out when he was like that. I was like, But you know, I wonder if part of our generation's feelings on it is because it was so in pop culture. I think so. I really do. Like it was in, I mean, it has been in so many horror movies, yep, so many TV shows, so many just lore. Yes. I wonder if that is why we all have this, no matter our belief system, this collective that's scary, get it out of here. Yeah.
unknown:I can't.
SPEAKER_00:Looking at the camera, my one eye is swollen. It is, and it's like half open. You have an allergy to Ouija boards, I guess. Are you allergic to uh Ouija boards? Um I had a note in here too. Oh, remember how I said don't burn Ouija boards? Right well, in 2001, Ouija boards were burned in New Mexico by fundamentalist Christian fundamentalist groups saying they were symbols of witchcraft. And that the But they burned them? They didn't read the directions. Um and Hasbro has been asked from some of these groups to stop creating and marketing them. And they're like, okay, whatever, I'm making money. Okay, we don't care. Yeah, every Halloween, every Halloween we sell in more of these. Okay. So let's get into some of the stories about Ouija boys. Now, this these are all from Reddit. Some are gonna be from Reddit, some are gonna be from Reader's Digest. And then the true crime stuff, I found lots of different places. All the sources will be it's not so much getting into the crime, it's that people tried to use them to solve a crime. That's what it is. Well, that's also been on a bajillion like TV shows. Absolutely, absolutely. All right, so true crime stories. 1930. Ooh. The murder of Clothhilde Marchand. So in Buffalo, New York, she was an indigenous um an indigenous faith healer named Nancy Bowen, was manipulated by her rival, Lila Jimerson, into murdering Jimmerson's romantic rival. Cloth Hilde Marchand. Okay, you need to fix this story. Fix the story. Let me let me skip over that line. Did we not learn by my not reading notes ahead? We need this one. I mean our notes. Okay. So essentially, there's like a love triangle situation going on. So specify you don't have to give me their whole names. We got a lady named a lady named. Okay, so the two ladies are not a lady. Here we go. Nancy and Lila. Okay. They are rivals. Oh, okay. For like the same attention of a man. Of a man named the fancy name. Yes. Okay. Claude Heidel. What's his name? Wait a minute. Guys, we work really hard on our research and then we don't read it. And then we don't actually read it. Oh my gosh. Well, I mean, to be fair, this is a confusing story. It is. Okay. Maybe get that sorted out. So let's try this start recording. Let's try this again. Okay. Jimmerson didn't. And the person who was murdered is Cloth Hilde Marchand. They're both women. Jimmerson didn't like her, the one who was murdered. That was her rival for the love interest. You said somebody else, though. So the one who wanted to murder the one connected with this faith healer. Okay. Nancy Bowen. So Nancy was not in the triangle like you just said. Sorry, Nancy. Sorry, Nancy Bowen. Oh my god. The faith healer. Okay. So Jimerson, the one who wanted to kill the person, used a Ouija. Who are they wanting to kill? This is where I'm so confused. The romantic rival. You keep saying that, but then you keep saying different names. I don't think you even know. There's two women. We're gonna give Katie a second to read her notes. No, no, no. I know. I've got it now.
unknown:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Two women. Cloth Hildy. Who is the one who gets murdered? Okay. That's a woman. That's a woman. That's her first. These are all females. These are three females. And then there's Lila Jimerson, but I'll just call her Lila. So there's Cloth Hilde and then Lila. Who are like no. They both they both want the same the attention of the same man. Whose name is? I don't know. Oh, Jesus. Well, maybe I do. No, I don't. So okay, it doesn't matter. It said romantic rival. So maybe it's not a specific man. Maybe she Lila said. She could just be jealous of the other one. I don't know. So the point is. Let me just wrap this one up. Okay. Claudilde gets murdered. Okay. Because Lila convinces the faith healer through Ouija board that she's evil and needs to be murdered. So the faith healer killed him. Yes. Killed her. They're all right. I just keep wanting to kill men over there. Oh, you really do. You're like, but where's the man? There's that's a try. It doesn't have to be a man. I'm not sure. No, they're trying to get the details. Okay. So she can so Lila convinced the faith healer that Cloth Hilday was basically a witch and needed to be killed. Just because she didn't like her. Yes. That's some shady business. Yes, but used like a Ouija board to kind of like show see. So she was pushing it. She was pushing it. Okay. Oh, yeah. She was pushing it. Pushing the platelet. So the two, the Faith Healer and then Lila were arrested. All right. But Lila was acquitted and only the Faith Healer, Faith Healer served um one year for manslaughter. One year? That's what it says. Times were different. Times were different in 1930. Let's move on. Oh my God. That took way too long. Okay. This one I wrote a little better, I think. Ah. What time did you do this research? This I did. Well, this was when I was at the car place. So mid morning. Oh, look at that. Mid morning. The murder of Ernest Turley, 1933. In Arizona, 15-year-old Maddie Turley shot and killed her father. She claimed it was an accident, but then she changed her story to say Ouija Board had ordered her to do it so her mother could be free to marry another man. Her mother, Dorothea, was found guilty by a jury, but the conviction was reversed three years later by the Arizona Supreme Court due to insufficient forensic evidence. So essentially the daughter took the blame for killing the father, but it was the mom who did it. And then the daughter said, Oh no, I did it. The Ouija board told me to do it. Probably because the mom thought the daughter wouldn't get in as much trouble with this story. Oh, so the mom really killed him? The mom actually girl killed him. Well, yeah, so she, sorry, she was accused of shooting and killing people. Oh, she was accused. She didn't really do it. But she said she did. She said she did. But then but then nobody ended up being convicted because there was no forensic evidence to back it up either way. Like they couldn't prove either guilt. So it maybe could have been the daughter and it maybe could have been the It was the Ouija board. Or the Ouija board. It's probably that. Okay, well, heard it here first. Well, let's skip from the 30s to the 1990s. Oh no. The Stephen Young double murder trial. And a double murder trial in the United Kingdom, it was revealed after the guilty verdict was delivered that four jurors had asked to use a makeshift Ouija board to ask it, like basically what to do. Wait, what is a makeshift Ouija board? Like they made it themselves? I guess. Because they might have maybe they were sequestered or something. So maybe they just weren't. So the they claim the board spelled out the defendant's name and said Stephen Young done it. Not even proper grammar. Not even Stephen Young done it. All right. Okay. So the Court of Appeals had to overturn the verdict and ordered a retrial. Because it's like you can't convict someone based on what a makeshift Ouija board says. Uh, but he was ultimately convicted in the retrial. But why did the jury even say they used it? I don't know. Well, they they delivered the guilty verdict, he was convicted, and it came out later that they had done that. Maybe it was other jurors. But there's only four of them. If that's how they made their decision, it does. But I mean, I mean, the whole point of being on a jury right is I mean, if I guess that's kind of silly because you get it's your opinion based on whatever facts, and if you're considering a fact a Ouija board, then I think that was it. It's like, well, that's jurors? Yeah, they had to do a whole new jury. They thought they were crazy or something. They had to do a whole new trial, whole new jury. Oh. So they just should not have said anything. And it may not have been them. It could have been other jurors that were like, what the fuck? I mean, I think I'd be like that. I would too. I'd be like, this man's gonna be like, let's flip it over a piece of paper and make our own Ouija board. Like, what? It's like, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, didn't work in that way. Okay, well, that true crime's not that's not too bad. I mean, it's terrible. Oh, here's another one. 1983. Last one. A group of Florida teenagers claimed that a Ouija board instructed them to rob and murder a motorist to fund their own trip. Bunny Dixon, Anthony Hall, and two others killed 25-year-old Nan Van Dang, is a Vietnamese traveler. The group was later arrested after turning on each other, and all four were convicted. Jeez. Yeah, crazy. So that's all I had on the true crime ones. Thank God. Yeah, no good. Basically, people using it as a Ouija board as an excuse for whatever it is. I mean, did I think that's gonna help them be like, hey guys, it wasn't me. That Ouija board told me to do it. So, like, that's my defense. Right. Basically, that's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, that's wild. Um, let's see. I found one. Oh, this is you're gonna love this. Um early press releases stated that Vincent Fernier, do you know who that is? Uh-uh, stage and band name was Alice Cooper. What? And that he came to that name after a session which with a Ouija board. Oh, for real? During which it was revealed that Ferner was a reincar reincarnation of a 17th-century witch with that name. Okay. But the Alice Cooper says, No, that well, that wasn't true. We just said that to like get press. I thought of the first name. Oh, he's the first name that came to his head while discussing a new band name with his band. That's funny. So he just made that story up. Well, that's kind of funny. Like I'm a reincarnated witch. Maybe that helped his lore when he was first getting started. Who knows? Well, because Alice Cooper is a persona, so like, why not? Yeah, I agree. I agree. I thought that one was really interesting. Okay, here's some of the real stories. Okay, Reddit, Reddit Rabbit Hole. Let's go. This one is from Reddit. All right, so I'm just gonna read exactly what it says. Never played the Ouija board, but I have a story my uncle told me. Of course. This is like Urban Legend. This goes good with our urban legend. Uh it really doesn't. It's like I have no firsthand experience, but here's a story I heard. Yeah. When his uncle was 15 or 16, his mates brought a Ouija board and bought a Ouija board and brought it out. And my uncle was from a strict Christian family, so he did not take part and went home. Out of the four friends, they were all dead by age 30. Two died within the year. So only of the four, his uncle like lived past 30. He doesn't believe in paranormal, but he would say when the conversation came up that he always finds it really strange that they all died young and he didn't.
unknown:I mean, you know.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. That's just what he said. I don't think that's Ouija board related. I wasn't laughing about them being dead. That's no, of course not. But it's like but I don't, I mean that could be anything. Could be anything. That could be anything. Okay. Wow. But I could see if I was that fourth person that that would freak me out. That's like some final destination. That's what I was gonna say. That's like final destination. Wow, all the movies. All right, here's another one from Reddit. Okay. I will tell you my story, witnessed it with my own eyes. I'm gonna link to all this, by the way. First hand account. First hand account. It was the end of the school year. We were in grade eight. Being end of the school year, the teacher allowed us to leave the classroom as long as we stayed in the school. God, what year was that? I know, right? 1922. We went to the gym with a Ouija board and planchette and just started asking random questions. Nothing noteworthy. A clash of thunder, and every hand on the planchette turned skeletal. Oh my god. We all screamed, and that ended the session. I used it one other time and it spelled the word devil. Caden, Katie. I'm telling you, these are just romantic. I know, but that's some dumb idiot sitting at home being like, ooh, I'm gonna write this. It's gonna be so scary. I don't know. I mean, I'd be scared if my hand turned skeletal. That is fun. Uh okay, well, here's some here's another one. I actually I'm just like picturing you reading these at the car dealership being like, ooh, look, you you don't even aren't even gonna hear the ones I left out. It spells devil. Well, here's the thing. I mean, props to people trying to be creative on Reddit because I see people write all kind of crazy stuff on air. But keep going. Okay, so this one, this person says, I actually had a great experience with the Ouija board. It was super insane. That's what it says, okay? These are not edited. My uncle, well, there's a lot of uncles out here with these Ouija board stories. My uncle, who recently passed, maybe a year prior, came through and said some things to me that blew my mind. He told me to call my aunt and Chuck on her, came to find out she was in the hospital. He told me to stop doing the board and to go and don't do it again. Of course I did it again, hoping it would be him, but sure enough, things got kind of sketchy, so I stopped it and never touched it again. Katie, I'm worried about you over here. So it was a good experience or it wasn't. I'm very confused. All right. Here's some of the ones from Reader's Digest. So these probably were moving on to substantial writing. Look, these are probably edited. That's all I'm gonna say. And I will read how they how they identified the people. Like I said, they're not very close. But this first one's from Glenn, a 29-year-old. I don't know why this is so funny. Dear readers digest. Here's my story, and I'm telling you for some reason. Okay, Glenn, a 29-year-old from Pennsylvania. Okay. Glenn says he saw a full-bodied apparition. The apparition he saw was that of a young girl wearing what looked like commoner's clothing from an antiquated era. He told the story to his neighbors who happened to be historians, and they told him that a little girl, just like the one he described, used to live in his house. The apparition ended up being a 10-year-old girl named Annalise who died of tuberculosis in the late 1800s. How do you just happen to have historians live next door to you and be like, I think I well, anyway. I don't know. That does sound like a good like um like TV episode of something. It does. It does totally. Okay, so now we've got Sherry. Where's Sherry from? She's from Iowa. Oh share. She's also 29. Are all these people 29? All right, Sherry. Well, she was. She's probably not 29 now. She's from Iowa. Okay. One evening when she was in high school, she decided to use a Ouija board with her friends. Nothing seemed to happen, so they all just gave up. But what they discovered later was that the Ouija board did work. And she says weird stuff happened in the house ever since that night, and to this day it hasn't stopped. We've had glasses move right across the table. I saw a spoon and a cup of coffee aggressively stir it without anyone being near it. And the sound of footsteps leading from upstairs down into the living room are constant. So essentially they didn't feel like anything happened in the session. They opened a session, but now all this weird stuff has happened ever since. I still feel like everybody's making this up. They might be. Oh, I'm such a skeptic. We have a mature one. Vince, who's 30.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Here we go. But it's about when he was a child, so I don't know. I can't vouch for this one. What issue of Reader's Digest was this? I'm I'm linked to it, but it was, I don't know. I think it was like 2022. Okay. I'm just curious. It's recent. Like, okay, what I remember about Reader's Digest, my parents used to get it the jars too. It was okay. It was always in the bathroom. Okay. I mean, yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's where it always was. But they it's it's so funny to think about it because I'm like, I don't ever remember reading anything like important in it. I can't remember either. Like, I remember people writing in stories. Yeah. But it was just whatever. I remember like boring old people articles. What that I thought was boring old people articles. Now it's something I'd be like, oh, that's very interesting. How I need to figure out you know what I mean. Or an article like I found Luigi. I don't ever remember reading anything scary though. I know that's why I thought it was odd. But maybe there was story they had. But maybe there was. I don't know. It felt like not a match, but anyway. Okay, so Vince, 30 at the time that he sent this in. He was playing with one of his friends as a sh as a kid in their basement. He didn't expect anything out of the ordinary to happen, so he went along with it. Well, once they started playing, the lights began to flicker, the air around them grew cold, and a spirit began to communicate them through the board. In this ghost story, the spirit spelled out a Russian name and claimed he had been murdered. That's the whole story? So hold on. Okay. And why I picked this one. Okay. Russian spy. Quote from Vince. We took a break to make pizza rolls. Oh my god. This is I can't. I was like I had to do this. What has happened to this episode? I don't know. But you know what they did when they went to make pizza rolls? They forgot to close the circle and they walked away. After returning to the basement, the energy was much heavier, and books and things were sprawled out on the floor. And yet the board remained perfectly still in the center of the room, just how they left it. Upon looking at a mirror that we had nearby, the eye of the Ouija board was moving sporadically in its reflection. So, like when they were looking at the board, nothing was happening, but in the reflection, like the eye was moving. Creepy. Yeah. But they had their pizza rolls. I mean, you know, they said the energy was heavy. That is something I have experienced. And I know you have too because we talked about that. And the most substantial I remember this happened to me and Cooper at the same time, and he was little. It was when we were in St. Augustine. I told this story, I think, a while ago. St. Augustine, woof. And like we went for a weekend, was that a couple years ago? And we're like, you know, doing all the touristy things. And one of our friends said, which I didn't want to do this, but the other two people in our family did. They were like, go to the old jail. Well, I didn't, I didn't think it was gonna be like it was. I just thought it was like a historical building you just walk through. And then we get there and it's like all touristy, and it made me sick to my stomach for that alone. Like we walk up and somebody's like dressed like a prisoner, and I just don't like that. I don't, especially because probably a lot of the people who were imprisoned were imprisoned for wrong reasons because they were they were black in a southern state, and I just anyway, I didn't like it, but I kind of just but I was like, whatever, like we're here, I'll just suck it up. And we're going on the tour, and I remember walking into the room, and I was like, Oh, I don't like this. And like the farther I got in, that's how it felt. It felt heavy, and I felt like I was gonna puke. I and then Cooper, I like he's like, I don't, I really don't like this. I don't like this. The other two people in my family were like, Yeah, what? What's wrong with y'all? Like, not like yeah, but they were like, What? And I'm like, I'm just I finally I said, I'm gonna go outside, I can't do this anymore. And so Cooper was like, me too. And I don't think I realized at the time until later. And like we both were feeling what, and maybe it's just knowing. I don't know. I don't know what that'd be. But that you know, there's like people talk about residual energies, yeah. Right. And and I I have the same, I've had the same experience in St. Augustine myself. I've gone with a few kids for their fourth grade field trip, and usually, you know, the day of I have moments, especially in the old fort and stuff, when you see like the prison area and all that that do make me feel not great. Yeah. But then, you know, we go home, whatever. Well, this past year with my littlest, we stayed overnight because it was Christmas time. Right, right. And you're so being out at night, I ooh, I was struggling. Yeah. And and she was too. Like we were supposed to be having fun on this lights tour, and we were both just looking at each other like and I didn't sleep well that night. Like, I couldn't wait to get out of there. And there's something to that, you know, and those who maybe don't know the St. Augustine history, right? Oldest city in America, and it's had changed hands between, you know, the Spanish and the American, and indigenous people got driven out, and like all the things, and so and like Chief Asiel is related to all of that, and it's just wasn't there like a doctor there who like kept his brain for a while. I mean, there's just a lot of strange stuff, and it's hard to not feel that. It's really hard for some people. For some people, Tory Kate were fine, they're just like, what's wrong with you? And I'm like, I just it just I have never felt that so much like I did in that building. Yeah, and I mean, I can remember sometimes like in New Orleans, New Orleans is also a very like oh yeah, you know, haunted quote unquote haunted city. And I can remember like the the cemeteries are beautiful, I will say, but they're also very creepy, yeah. And they I don't think I've never remember going on a tour or anything like that because we live there, so it was nice. But we would go, and I can remember we would go just sightsee or whatever. I can remember a few times when I was a kid feeling weird and not realizing that's what it was. Just walking past the gates of those cemeteries because nothing's underground because it's below sea level, so it's all the above-ground mausoleums and tombs and stuff, yeah. And I didn't feel like that at all of them. It was just some. Yeah. And I'd be interested now to go like to realize which ones it was. Yeah. There's probably a connection there somehow. So I get that about heaviness because that I I and like I said, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that is, I don't know if that is supernatural or whatever. Yeah. But I give one final. Well, this is gonna be this is a Reddit one, but I thought this was a good one to like close on the stories. Um I don't know why his career matters, but it he says over my career, I have disposed of dozens of Ouija boards after people screw around and find out. So what's his career? It's not a toy. Let me see. Because that's kind of important. Um, oh, okay. It looks like he's a psychiatrist. Nothing good can come from dabbling down by thrill seekers. Unless you have a skilled medium guiding the sessions, it's far too dangerous. I've had clients be tormented by night terrors or say they're being held down in their beds. You need honest guidance, and then it says someone who's a TV host, I guess, is like really into it. He's not your pal, he's your TV host, not a medium. You need a medium to use these. What? This guy. Have you ever heard of this guy? He's a T Zach Baggins? Yeah. So this was in response. I probably shouldn't put the original asking. Oh, God. Hey. I guess he's a fan of this TV host. Did this. I'm thinking am I getting a Ouija board? And then it was like flooded. Well, let's see who that is. Hold on. All right, let's find out. I wanted to look something up. Oh, uh-oh.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, find out who that is. But I just I think the first hand stories are interesting, like you said, because a lot of them can can change. But I also think places like Reddit are good for people feeling like they can just, you know, speak their mind or I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Oh, there he is. Who is he? Zach Baggins, American Paranormal Investigator. Uh uh I've never heard of him. He says he's a oh, he's the principal host of the travel channel series Ghost Adventures. Okay. So he's a paranormal investigator, TV personality, museum operator, and author. So that's where they saw him. This is okay. Okay. All right. So then this Reddit person was he kind of looks like Kid Rock. No, I don't think so. You don't think so? He's got his jawline. Well, I mean. Yeah. Well, not there. Y'all go there Google. This picture, yes. That picture, no. Y'all need to go Google this man and see if he looks like Kid Rock. I don't think he does, but maybe. Maybe he'll listen to our episode. So anyway, that's that's uh that's where they were asking from. Okay. So in summary, we've learned where Ouija boards originated, how they became um capitalized here in America. The exorcist kind of sprung it even more into pulp culture, and then we've heard from some uh some real people. Gary and some yeah, Gary and a bunch of 29 year olds. I have stories about Ouija boards. I wanted to Google real quick some movies that Ouija boards are in. Yeah. What do you got? It says, I mean, there's so many. Yeah, it wasn't The Exorcist. That was the first one that it said Witchboard in '86, paranormal activity. Oh, yeah. I've never watched that. Me either. I'm scared to. I'm scared to. Um there is a mainstream horror film called Ouija. Okay. Or Ouija. Is it Ouija or Ouija? It's Ouija. Because it's O-U-I-J-A. Yeah. Yeah, but it's Ouija. That was in 2014, 2016, had a sequel. Okay. But it it was a prequel story to that. Um gosh, there's so many. I thought there was like more like mainstream. I know there's one in the craft. Oh, yeah. Uh Annabelle. Okay. Insidious. God, there's so many. Um episodes of TV. Oh, episodes of Lost in Space and the Waltons. Like there's Waltons. I know. Uh oh. That's the one I was. It's so funny. And you know what popped up is a Reddit thread. Telling you. I know. Troy tells me, he's like, that's where you need to go find stuff is Reddit. Honestly. And I just, oh, look, listen, you should. Did you come across this one? Let's hear. I'm looking for horror movies where the protagonist used by mistake or ignorance a Ouija board. No, I didn't see that one. Let's find the scariest horror movie with a Ouija board on the table. And what did people say? Halo, let's see. The Exorcist. Um What Lies Beneath. Oh, I love that movie. Sets in Motion Claire believing her next door neighbor has been murdered. Yes. I forgot about that. The chill factor. Uh-huh. Um hold on. Man, this is interesting. Yeah, like we're getting we're live getting sucked into stupid thread. Um, Witchboard is set alive. Witchboard, yeah, yeah. Um My Best Friend's Exorcism. Oh, that's a fun, that's a fun movie to watch. I've never seen that one. So it's a book by um what's the author's name? I was just talking to Patrick about him the other day. His last name's Hendrix, but he writes Dark Humor Horror. Okay. And that was the first book of his I read. Okay. It's fun, it takes place in the 80s. Ah it's really good. That sounds good. Yeah, you should watch it. Anyway, watch that. Uh let's see, I'll find a couple more. Um, Amityville 3D. It says it's not a board, but it's pieces of paper and glass. So they made their own. Got it. Like the jurors. Just like the jurors. Like the jurors did. Uh what else we got? Man, this is funny. Yeah, somebody said who knew a toy made by a board game company would become such an icon. Right. I mean, exactly. In horror movies. Horror movies, yeah. Um, there's a Ouija board in the original The Stand miniseries by Stephen King. Okay. See, I think I think that's why we have such our generation has such like feelings related to a Ouija board. I would be interested, listeners, for you to weigh in on this. Yeah. Either on our socials or just text us or private message us on social if you don't want to like say it. But I'd be curious because you and I really have approached things differently, I think. Like our brains are different, but we're both like pretty scared of this particular thing. Yeah, we're not scared of the same things. Not usually. Not usually. Because so I feel like, is that everyone, or is it just a coincidence because we've seen the same movies or mentions? Well, Brent's scared of it too. But my husband's scared of it. And my sister. And you're a scary girl. She's like, you better not be. She's having her wife Google tell me how to close portals. That's how scared my friends are. Thank God we didn't have to close one because we didn't open it. We didn't ever open it. And I put a PSA first that said I'm close. Although you didn't, so they come up for you. What are you talking about? When I said ghosts, listen up. Oh. I forgot when you spoke to the ghost on this very episode. So you didn't do that. Everybody, she didn't do it. If you would like to close that door, you better. She don't want to. Are you saying only nice ghosts? Yeah, I mean she's scared to even say anything. Look saying nothing. Oh my god, that's crazy. I was just thinking about how we have ghosts on our shirt. They're so cute. Isn't this what all ghosts are like? So, our next thing, we're watching Twilight Zone, the movie from the 80s. Cool. Never seen it because I can't wait for you to watch it. You're gonna like it. Hey, I have time this weekend. Watch it with Brant. Okay. Doing it. It's more fun that way. It is. And I think he'll like it. Yeah. I could also watch it with a kid, maybe one of my kids. Oh, yeah. My older kids. I think Cooper's gonna watch it. Yeah. Okay. I'll find someone. You'll enjoy it. Lots of um, lots of cameos by some famous peeps in there. Yay! Okay, I can't wait. All right. Well, thank you, listeners, for putting up with this episode. If you've made it this far. This was a good one. I'm I'm actually really glad you didn't bring the Ouija work. Me too. And please, when you get home, take a picture with it in the trash. I will. And I think also I I was thinking logistically, it would have been weird to to play with it when we're on a podcast. You know what I mean? Because not everyone will be able to see what we were doing. And they don't have to. I know. But I'm glad we didn't, is what I'm getting at. Yeah, me too. Okay. And we are we are closing the portal on this topic. But just so you know, I am so dedicated to this podcast, I was willing to do it if you told me to. I know. I appreciate you for that. So instead of bringing you the Ouija board, I brought you a cute sweatshirt. That's better. So there we go. We're we're all good. Um, we understand each other. All right. Well, thank you everyone for listening, and we'll see you next time on a regular episode for Twilight Zone the Movie. But in the meantime, listen to our Dawson's Creek. We're on season four. Oh my gosh. Uh, we'll see you there. Bye.
