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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek, Season 4 Kickoff: Episodes 1 and 2
We're back with our Nostalgic or Problematic series, kicking off Season 4 of the Xennial Classic Dawson's Creek.
The Capeside Crew is back for senior year and we are loving all the "what I did over the summer" storylines.
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Hello everyone and welcome back. It is now season four of our Dawson's Creek rewatch. I'm Katie, I'm Dani. We are so excited to be done with season three Girl honestly Legit and to see what all of the Capeside Mass kids are up to their senior year, I know, and Katie brought in. Some kids are up to their senior year and Katie brought in some candy corn and pumpkins. So good, I just ate. I don't even know how many pumpkins I ate since I've been here. Probably three, not that many, nothing is more, but they're totally stuck in my teeth. I'm sitting here going. It's like the wax tongue is like all of them and it is driving me crazy, but they're delicious.
Speaker 1:We are totally leaning into spooky season today. We already have a spooky season episode from a few weeks ago. But today we wear our black, we have our skeleton mugs, they're dancing, we ate some waxy pumpkins. So we're like and hey, we are team candy corn. I know it's a big debate every year, people be like. Every year we are team candy corn. I know it's a big debate every year, people be here. You're either like candy corn is trash or candy corn is the bomb. And guess what? We're on the bomb side.
Speaker 1:I love candy corn. I fucking do too. I will say I stop now, whereas I used to just be able to just down. Oh no, it hurts my stomach. Can I tell you? What my favorite thing is, tell me, is having it with something salty. Okay, like popcorn or pretzels. Okay, oh, it's like, because, like when I go to the movies, I like popcorn and M&M's mix, the salty and the sweet, yeah. So if you can make like a mix with some popcorn and pretzels and candy corn, oh it's amazing. Okay, I will have to try that because that does sound really good. You will love it.
Speaker 1:So, before we get into the actual episode, I looked up just like some general information on season four. So it was filmed between mid 2000, early 2001. Okay, and it aired in October 2000 to May 2001. So they were still filming it Even after. Like they didn't film the whole thing, like they were still filming it once it was on the air. That's weird. Yeah, they usually do that with shows. Now Usually they film the whole thing. I guess that's not back before streaming. Yeah, it was probably like different, because they have the whole season ready for you, uh, and there were 23 episodes in it and it's their senior year and it was filmed in wilmington, north carolina, which is where, like all the seasons are filmed.
Speaker 1:One thing we're going to learn as we go through this season is that meredith bunro, who plays andy, was ended up being written out in this season. So I was looking for like reasons why, because I thought maybe she had a movie, but there really was no reason. She's also old, I know, so maybe she made that decision, like I am 28, because she was 26 right when they started this. I want to say she was 28 when they started. Anyway, I bet it's just she was just like okay, okay, yeah. But this is interesting because mid 2000 to early 2001,.
Speaker 1:I turned 21 in 2001. And I remember like dipping out of Dawson's Creek around this time and then I went back in it. What's wrong? I'm hearing like a static Keep going. Oh, I don't hear it now. Okay, okay, weird, it's the gremlin. They're here for spooky season, uh, and I dipped out because I was in college and uh, but then I came back for the last season.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, or, or, I would watch it sometimes, but not intentionally. So you're saying for seasons four and five, when we're watching, now could be the first time you've watched it, like in in order, fully. I think I remember watching season four a lot of it, cause I remember being me and my roommate at the time being all about Pacey and Joey together, okay, and then, even though, like you know, it was a high school drama, but we were college girls watching it because, why not, why not? You know it was a high school drama, but we were college girls watching it because, why not, why not? Um, joshua Jackson also. So, hello, y'all know how I feel about him, y'all know. So, anyway, I think maybe once we get farther along in season four and then in season five, I'm gonna be like what happened? Yeah, but it's fine. But okay, let's go.
Speaker 1:The first episode in season four is titled coming home and the summary is uncertainty fills the air as Pacey and Joey return to Capeside following their summer-long voyage. Yes, so this is an example. We've had different seasons that literally pick up at the same moment. The other one ended, yeah, but this is an example of like. Right away in that intro everyone's talking about what they did over the summer. So you know, summer has ended and, yeah, they're coming back. And don't they look so they all look so much older. They really do, which I thought was interesting because I remember now you had a senior last year, you have a senior this year and you'll have a senior next year. Yeah, I feel like that summer before your senior year a lot does change. It's true, it's like the summer between your freshman and sophomore year A lot changes. Yeah, like most kids, when they start high school they look way young, and then the sophomore year it's like hello, yeah, no, I totally agree with you, they all looked older.
Speaker 1:Um, I loved Pacey's rant about melodramas. Oh, I know, I love when they're like talking to the. But see, that reminded me of early Dawson's Creek writing like seasons one and two, when they were kind of directly address the audience. They'd be like will they or won't they? Everyone wants to know, and you know they're like kind of like making fun of it. Yeah, and that was really a throwback to that for me, because he's talking about like, like did they have sex? Or like what was their level of intimacy in the summer? And everyone wants to know. And in that conversation they're talking about, like their friends and people in Cape side, but really like they mean the audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I thought that was really fun, right, and they seem to have had a great summer. Yeah, and you know what the summer before senior year?
Speaker 1:So much happens in life, right, a lot, not even not just the summer, but that whole year of your life. Absolutely A lot happens, yes, in your teen life. Yeah, and okay, jack and the tan, hello, I know, I was like he became a model. And even Joey says like somebody's been lifting, and I was like, yeah, I noticed that too, like hello, yeah, he's been lifting. And I was like, yeah, I noticed that too, like hello, yeah. Okay, kersmith, yeah, he looks really good. He did look really good. He has that like um.
Speaker 1:So Troy and I talk about this before when I used to watch Queer Eye I love that show, okay, and it's no more after this season. But you know, antony, on that show we, I'm like God, he is just such an attractive human being. And Troy said you know he's one of those people who everybody thinks is good looking. Yes, cause you know there are some people who like, generally, females will be like, oh, whether it's a male or a female person, a female females will be like, oh, they look so good. And then the opposite sex or whatever will be like no, but there are some people who universally, are attractive and Jack is one. Oh, kersmith Sorry, your name is Kersmith, but he's one.
Speaker 1:I totally agree. Rob Lowe is another. I was about to say Rob Lowe is one. And then, online, taye Diggs, I feel like, is another. Taye Diggs is another. Come on, yes, right, yes, right.
Speaker 1:And I, on Amazon prime, when you like kind of scroll or hover, they show you like the actors who are currently like on the screen and her Smith, and it's like a current picture of him. It's, he's so cute, he's salt and pepper. Now I love it. I love it. So good on him. Looks so good on him. Looks so good. Not fair.
Speaker 1:I loved when they were sitting on the beach, they being Jack, andy and Jen. They're talking about Survivor. Yeah, they don't say the name of it, no, but they're like who would you vote off? And then I'm like, well, maybe it's just like. Like never have I ever like, maybe it's just like a weird game. But then they start talking about allies and stuff and I was like, oh no, this is when Survivor came out. Oh, yeah, but they can't say it because it's a different network, different network. I thought that was really fun. And then this, like you want to be, like because you would say it to your former self at that age when Jen's like, oh, don't take my picture, I look terrible, I know. And I was like, oh my god, but we still do that, katie, we still do it and I, we definitely did it back then. Yeah, but, okay, him and the camera Memories so good.
Speaker 1:Okay, do you remember when disposable cameras came out? Oh, yeah, and those were like the hot. I used to get those and you could buy like a three pack or whatever and then I would take them to like the beach or like a party and it was so exciting. Going to drop it off at the drugstore and wait for your film to get developed yeah, so fun. I can remember when one hour photo became a thing yeah, that was probably late nineties. Yeah, yeah, I would say maybe a little earlier. Remember that creepy movie, robin Williams? Yeah, one hour photo, super creepy. But see, I feel like that's so crazy because that's so antiquated now, but it wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1:Kids think it's cool now to get a disposable camera, right, because it's such a different experience, right, so I click the thing and you can't see it right away. And so there's an element of surprise in a way. Yeah, like oh, what's going to be on there, what's it going to look like when I get it back? Well, because that's the thing. Like now, we take how many pictures, I mean, how many did we just take of our coffee mugs? Like six, stupid.
Speaker 1:And then, you guys, we didn't even talk about gaga on the last episode. I know I thought about that at the end. It's fine. Uh, like this past weekend, the last week, we tried to go to lady gaga concert. It got canceled, but don't worry, it's rescheduled, but anyway, we took 80 bajillion pictures and deleted just as many.
Speaker 1:Big, big time there's I'm going to totally get it wrong because it's not in front of me, but essentially the amount of pictures that are taken in a day now, oh yeah, is the equivalent of like all of the 1990s and put together Because people do things just for the picture. Now, sure, and I don't feel like that happened as much and you can take 10, 20, 30 of the same picture. Well, take 10, 20, 30 of the same picture. Well, I mean, social media has changed that for everybody big time, like especially for teenage girls, and obviously cell phones like oh, of course, yeah, but yeah, the reason for all the pictures? Yeah, okay, what.
Speaker 1:What do we think of about um pacey shaved head? This is weird because I did watch this in one sitting, like sitting watching it, not doing anything else, and I swear I didn't notice it in the opening scene, what? And then the intro music plays which, by the way, I was singing to myself, I know same. I was like why am I singing this stupid song? I know I hate this song, it's so dumb. I was singing Hearts in a Barrel and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1:He then it came back on after the intro music and I was like wait, where's his hair? How did I? Was it dark? Okay, adding this to the Katie memes, you know your life is too crazy when you don't notice that somebody has no hair anymore. I did notice, but like five minutes later, yeah, but that's crazy, but I don't like it.
Speaker 1:No, did he do that for a film or a show? I don't. He's still really cute. I mean, I just was like I love his hair. It was supposed to go along with the storyline of like they were on a boat, so he just shaved his head. He was just like, did it? Joey's hair was all long the same, yeah, the same. I don't know. I don't. I don't know why he did that. Oh, when was cruel intentions filmed? His hair was dyed blonde and cruel intentions, so maybe they had to shave it. I forgot about that, but I mean he had his frosted tips. In one episode they died it back. He could have had blonde hair on his way back from us anyway. Anyways, I'm wondering what you thought.
Speaker 1:Okay, so sasha alexander is the name of the actress. Gretchen love her. Couldn't figure out how I knew her. I don't know her. What's she from NCIS? I don't watch that. She was in the original seasons which I looked up because I, because I was like is this the same time as this before? This was before NCIS debuted in 2003. Jesus, yeah, it's been around that long. It's been on for 22 years, holy holy. And she was in the first two or three seasons. She was one of the main characters. Her name was Kate, but she had, like, black hair. So, yeah, super adorable. She's super small in NCIS too. So I was trying to figure out If it's just because she's like Maybe by other actors who are bigger in NCIS or what, because she's obviously small in Dawson's, but I remember her being like really little, like short, short, yeah, just small. I don't know, I'll have to I'll look up a picture of her from NCIS to show you but I do love her. I think she's a really good actress. Well, I just okay. The.
Speaker 1:The Pacey sister phenomenon is funny. We have talked about that multiple times. Yeah, so we've only. He's only alluded to sisters a few times, right, and now all of a sudden here comes one who apparently isn't that much older than them and it's back Cause she's back from college. And then, doug, be like, all right, y'all got to get out. And I'm like, and we'll get to this, I know, but this house that they go see, that's so terrible, amazing, this is the cutest house I've ever seen. They would not be able to afford that. No, they're making it sound like a water, like falling apart. I'm like this is, and it's because there's like an old couch, yeah, and there was like a, like a drop cloth from painting, like on the floor. I was like, hello, this house is great, amazing, amazing, yeah, but um, oh. So I said here in quotes, people will ask. And then I said are we people? Yeah, because we are okay, but we want to know, can we? Let's just talk about this.
Speaker 1:They end up saying that they did not have sex on the boat and then they're in twin hammocks reading a book. Okay, hello, that was the. That was so stupid. I like I'm laying there. I was sitting there watching this and troy was in the kitchen doing something because cooper was at rehearsal, whatever, and I was, and they showed that. I was like, oh my god, that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Like let's do the thing that we do. Well, and I knew it was gonna be something stupid. That was really stupid. But that was like and they're reading the little mermaid.
Speaker 1:Teenagers do not like, do not Like. Yeah, guys, I was like. No, not a cool teenager and I didn't even do that. Okay, it was bad. Like I don't know, like that's like some old people, shit, right there, I don't even do that. I do have a hammock and I like to read in it To Brant while you're holding his hand. No, okay, you better.
Speaker 1:If I'm in the hammock with a book, y'all better go the other way. Don't lay underneath me and hold my hand. No, I just can't. That's so weird. Oh, but also okay, let me rewind for a second. When Joey goes to Dawson's house and nobody's there and she's just walking around. I know that was weird, that's fucking creepy. I thought that was creepy. I mean I guess it's just showing her comfortability with them, but yeah, it was weird, I didn't like it.
Speaker 1:Um, okay, and then this trope of all the able-bodied young men painting houses every summer. Is this a thing young men do, because we also see this in american pie? Yeah, around the same time, every good-looking young man, that's his summer job. They're painting all the houses, all all the places. And why? Who have you ever repainted a house? Personally? No, I mean, like I'm not a good looking young man as a homeowner. Have you ever repainted your house? Like had someone else painted for me? Yes, okay, once. Okay, so far. So it's not like super common. And that's because we did an addition, so we either had to match the paint or just redo the whole thing. It's expensive, af, it was so expensive. So like who? All these fancy ass people get their houses repainted all the time? I know, I just thought that was funny. It is funny that that was their job.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the part where? Okay, so all the Henry stuff. Can we get into this, the what Henry? Is he just not coming back? Is that what this is? He's like written off. Okay, that's what I figured. So he's four hours away because his football camp apparently went so great that he got offered to go to some boarding school, and that's where he is. And then basically he goes Jen and has Jack basically break up with Jen for him. That's the next episode. Oh, sorry, but we can jump into that, but he's gone, he's gone, he. I don't think he comes back, okay. And so wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, I don't think he comes back. And then Grams is talking to Jen and Grams is against them trying to do long distance, and she kind of has a point. I mean she does. She's like, oh, pining away for one weekend, you know whatever. So I thought that was interesting. I was like, oh, I guess Henry's not coming back.
Speaker 1:And then the dive-in sounds fun. Going to the dive-in. As I said, dive-in sounds fun, literal, that's what, um, seen, jaws, that's, that's super. In the water. No, ma'am, yeah, in the dark, yeah, in the dark, in the dark water. Uh-uh, yeah, I'm scared of water. It's like, it's like space, true, uh-huh, like guys, maybe we're just not supposed to know? I mean probably some of that.
Speaker 1:And then Pacey just starts acting like a complete jerk, I know. And Joey says who are you ordering people around? Yeah, I mean, I guess what they show, maybe sort of realistically, there is that Joey and Pacey are in their bubble, yeah, and they have this experience that only belongs to them, yeah, and now you're back in the real life. They ran away from their problems and the problems are still there. Yeah, now they're facing the people who it's awkward with or who are mad at them or whatever.
Speaker 1:And on top of it, like there's unresolved issues with joey and dawson that pacey knows about and you know, it's just the whole thing I put. I mean, I, whoa, where did my notes? There they go. I feel bad for Dawson, but also he's kind of being a baby, totally Like I. I do feel bad for him because that really sucks, but also he's kind of being a baby this episode, yeah, and he's like Jen. I thought he wasn't going to come.
Speaker 1:When Pacey shows up at the like dive and it's like, well, you don't have any control over that, neither just Joey, neither just Jen. I mean, come on, yeah, but to be in that vein of like running away from your problems. Dawson got a break from his problem this summer too, because they were gone, so they could just like have fun and not be confronted. But now everybody's back, and that's true. Yeah, that's a great point. The reverse is true. It's not just Pacey and Joey, it's Gina. Oh, she has a lesson in a few minutes. Sorry, buddy.
Speaker 1:I heard the wind chime on the door and I was like, oh no, what's happening? I thought the brick from Hemingway's house was yes, I was like what, and I figured it was something for Dawson at the beginning of the episode, and Pacey's like this is heavy. She's like, oh, that's for my sister. And then you see her give her sister a plant, yeah. So I was like, hmm, I feel like that's going to come back, yeah. And then it was a brick from Hemingway, which I feel, and she was like, well, still listen, don't give me a brick. Really, I think that's a shitty present.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't mind a brick if it had. If it was, where would you want a brick from? Who do you want a shit? Yes, yes, I would. The stifler's face on it, not stifler's face, finch's face on it anyway. Um, where would you want a brick from, maybe wrigley field. Oh, yeah, like, if they ever redo wrigley field and they sell off the bricks I don't think they will, because it's like was built in like 1909 or something really, and it's the original stadium still.
Speaker 1:And you would like a brick? I would take a brick from there. Okay, I don't care, nobody has to give me a brick. That's the only place I can think of. Yeah, okay, and if, like, maybe, like it isn't a brick house, but like if the house I grew up in was like redone or torn down, I maybe want something from that. Really, yeah, okay, I think so.
Speaker 1:Now. Now the song's in my head she's a brick house, she's a mighty, mighty. I love it. All hanging. All right, sorry, all All right, sorry, all right. You have anything else? All right, let's go on to the next episode season. I mean, episode two is called Falling Down, uh-oh. The summary is as a new school year finds Pacey on the verge of flunking out, henry recruits Jack to break up with Jen. So stupid Joey goes to work at a local yacht club. Now, this episode I didn't love as much as the first one. I agree, I forgot about the rich guy. He stays around, does he? I was wondering about him. Yeah, yeah, but did you notice Pacey had on jorts? No, in the beginning.
Speaker 1:I am so bothered by a straight man in jorts. I hate it so much, I don't know why. I asked Troy, he has the same aversion to men in jorts. I didn't even notice, cause I like, when I was doing our soundbites for socials, I came across the jorts thing and I said, troy, I got to ask you, like, cause I've never seen him in jorts in 22 years and I said, what's your feeling on jorts? Men in jorts, men in jorts, it's like I don't, I don't like it, except me either. Well, of course Troy's not going to like it. Well, I mean, he can appreciate. I mean, yeah, okay, so let me.
Speaker 1:Let me preface that by saying Troy is 100% attracted to women only. So that's why she's saying, of course, yeah, but it's kind of a sexy look. What is it not a jort? I don't know those long ass straight man jorts, I don't mind them. Okay, well, that's fine, but anyway, uh, but he can't appreciate if something looks good on another man, that's true, right? I mean he's secure in himself. Like what looks sharp? Yeah, yeah, like he can be, like, oh, that you know you look nice and not, or whatever, or whatever straight men say, I don't know. Uh, but he's like, I'm not down with that. Look, I was like God, me either. Thank you for not partaking in that fashion. I do not like it. He's like but I like you and Jorts, like girls, look good in Jorts.
Speaker 1:I'm like, see, I don't know what that is. Yeah, I mean, I kind of am. I mean, they're so sexy. I don't know why. I don't know why you are. No, look sexy jorts. Are the short jorts? Yeah, those are sexy. Okay, the long ass knee jorts? No, no, it makes me think of what was that company Jenko that had like the big pants and shorts, which is kind of what he had on? Yeah, I don't like a jort.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to keep my eyes open for those. Now I'm going to write down To wear them. No, in the episode. So I'm not like I didn't even notice. Oh, I noticed immediately. So I'm like ah, yeah, and they also look like he has no butt what. It's true, I missed him completely. I just can't believe I missed this moment. I hate jorts. Okay, it's in the first five seconds, all right, you go back, you'll be like oh, those are a pair. Those are okay.
Speaker 1:Look, I literally wrote a frowny face, oh wow. Oh god, it says frowny face. That's terrible. I know you really didn't. And then I also did Frowny face. That's terrible. I know you really didn't like it.
Speaker 1:And then I also did a frowny face with the making out outside of class. That's gross. You don't like that. No, I don't like big French kissing at school. That's gross.
Speaker 1:I mean just in general, like having to see anyone do that anywhere, I'm okay with that at like a wedding or something. I'm okay with that at like a wedding or something. That's an exception. Okay, everyone, you guys can't French kiss at your wedding. It is okay with me. But, like, just generally, it's not for me.
Speaker 1:But you know, like also, if you're like that, overcome with your passion, good for you. But they're at school. Yeah, you can be passionate at school, though, ew, just because you're in a building, what's the difference? School is smelly and like, I don't know it is. Yes, high school, like schools. You walk into a school, you know what I'm talking about. It smells like pencils. Yeah, you're right. See, you're right.
Speaker 1:I mean, I probably had pda when I was a kid, but like I, I'm not a fan of, of giant pdas. I don't like that. I don't like that's just me. It doesn't bother me if grown ass people do it wherever you want to, unless you're at a school, unless you're a grown ass person at a school. Well, like that smells like pencils, okay. For instance, there's places where PDA is like fine for other people, like I don't care about it, I have gatekeeping, all kinds of shit.
Speaker 1:On this episode I'm not trying to no jorts, no hand holding. I'm just telling you what I like. I'm not saying there should be laws against it, okay, good, well, good, jorts are illegal. I'm glad you're not saying that. Well, you know what I mean. Like I'm not saying nobody should do this, I'm saying I just particularly don't like it.
Speaker 1:But like if there's people out at like a big fun event and you're smooching it up at a concert or something, that's fine, I'm not gonna get grossed out. But when it's at like a gym, like if you're like working out or something, that's gross, oh yeah, well, that's kind of how I feel about it at school. But some people like you're outside your english class and you're overcome the french kiss gross. I don't know, it's katie over here acting like she doesn't. I don't care, she's like I'm not bothered by the jorts or the kissing. But let me look, is there anything that I was bothered by? Um, not really, but let's see as we go. Let's see as we go. Um, oh, I said andy's advice on joey's job.
Speaker 1:I thought that was an interesting conversation. Oh, yeah, yeah, she's like. You know where they do need a waitress. I don't see you going to make that kind of money. Okay, the Yacht Club? Yeah, where has this been the whole time? Right, that too? Well, I do think. Or maybe that maybe it's the Country Club. There's somewhere that Andy and Jack talk about before that they're members of. Well, yeah, don't they have? Like that, it was the country club. Yeah, you're right, that's the country club. It was a whole different place. Yeah, you're right, I was in my brain, I was thinking it was the same place. But, you're right, like that lady had no idea about, like, the one restaurant in town. Yeah, she's like, what's the ice house? And I'm like, like, I don't care where you are, you would, yeah, anyway. But, yeah, you're right, that was. Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 1:And then they've got um the cd store. Oh, my God, dawson's selling his CDs. Oh, I was like, oh, I remember doing that. They'd give you like $2. Yes, and that's where he runs into Gretchen, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she tells him that his parents have better music taste than him. Yes, grateful Dead CD yeah, he's trying to get rid of that one. She's like I know people are like really into it. I know I'm not into it. No, neither. Okay, look at that. We agreed on that. We agreed, all right.
Speaker 1:Um, and then, oh, I loved when Jen was checking her emails. Oh, I know we've talked about this before. I know when, like, checking your email used to be like a big thing. Oh, yeah, when it was like, oh, my gosh, for me, like, as friends went off to college and stuff and didn't necessarily have cell phones yet, so like an email would be. You know, you would get it from them maybe 12 hours after they sent it and like see what they're up to.
Speaker 1:Or when you figured out how to like add images to emails and stuff like that, and it takes forever. I mean the first time Troy deployed in 2006, that's how we communicated. Yeah, it was email. Wow, when we were lucky. Yeah, because phone calls were really hard at that time and there was no Skype or Zoom or FaceTime. They couldn't have a cell phone, yeah, so it was emails and then I'd try to send them pictures and it would take so long to upload them.
Speaker 1:What I started doing was every week because Kayden was a baby I would take pictures from the week and upload them on a CD, swear and mail it because it would get there. It was much easier to put it on a CD and then mail it than to put it in an email. Yeah, that's wild. So he has had I don't know if he still has them, but he had all these CDs and it would just have like the dates. It'd be like one week's worth of pictures on a CD.
Speaker 1:I love that, though. That's so creative Girl anyway. And she's on that blueberry iMac. Oh, I know, I loved it, I know those were like the hot thing they were. And so she checks her email and then Jack checks his. I know, I know.
Speaker 1:So I hated that part because I feel so bad for Jack, like Henry's, like can you break up with Jen for me, like what I know. So then what's Jack supposed to do? Because he can't like, because he on the other side, he was like trying to like make her feel better and be like, oh no, he's fine, it's fine. And then he's like, oh shit, what do I do now? Yeah, like oh no, he's fine, it's fine. And then he's like, oh shit, what do I do now? Yeah, like that's a crappy place to be very bad.
Speaker 1:And what do we think about that from henry's perspective? Do you think he was trying to make it better for jen, thinking, I think he's a teenage boy that don't know? He's just like, yeah, just tell her for me. Y'all know I got broke up with on my family answering machine. So when I was a teenager girl, listen, oh, that is something, class act right there. Oh, and I loved when Jen said she said something about am I not good at cyber sex? Oh, and then Jack's like Jen, I'm sure you're a wonderful cyber sex lover. I miss that. It's in the moment where she's looking, she's waiting for an email from him and nothing's coming. Oh, okay, and so then she says that, and then they switch out and Jack's checking his email after that. I miss that. I was cooking when I was watching that. That was really funny.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Mitch is a guidance counselor? Yeah, I was like, but that's pretty on point, like now he's a guidance counselor as a football coach, but that's pretty on point for public school, it is it's like you have no qualifications. But here, and what was interesting is, I was like, yeah, I can, I can see it, him as a guidance counselor, maybe because these past three seasons up till now he's been through a lot himself, yeah, and I'm like, oh, I mean, and guidance counselor is supposed to be academic, of course, right, but you know, the good ones care about the whole student, right, and like what's good for them, and that's what he was doing, yeah, academics and like life, yeah. So I thought that was really interesting. But then, like, when he tells dawson about it, I'm like, isn't that an ethical issue? But it was, it was, we needed it for the storyline, so you know.
Speaker 1:But I was like you really wouldn't like talk about one of your students now to a fellow student. Maybe you would. You shouldn't, but you shouldn't, yeah, oh, do you? Okay? So the quote did you see how that dawson had like the quote on his wall? Yes, do you remember? This was the time those first came out? Like wall, the wall, the vinyl, yeah, vinyl. Everything now is like, yeah, but do you remember when those first got popular and it was like this crazy, they were everywhere, everywhere. Yeah, because you didn't have to paint it, it was the vinyl, like stick it up there. Yeah, I love that. I know. Um, oh, we already talked about this.
Speaker 1:But I said that house that pacey and gretchen look at, I said seems nice question mark. I know I'm thinking, oh, I could do so much with this place. You know, I know, like what are they? Even I'm thinking about I could do so much with this place. You know I was like what do they mean? Yeah, I guess we were just supposed to believe that they're gonna be roughing it out there. Two, two siblings, their heart hard knock life living out here on the beach, on the, on the creek, on the creek. Yeah, exactly, okay.
Speaker 1:So did you notice how many deep doc conversations there were this episode? Yes, so many, so many. There were so many because it was jen and dawson, then it was jen and jack and then it was pacey and joey. Yep, everybody had some deep doc convos. Yep, it was crazy. There was a lot, um, and I like the part where, towards the end, joey's on the boat with pacey and he hasn't told her yet about how he's like failed these classes and he has.
Speaker 1:He may not graduate, all this stuff, but it's like weighing on him. So he's kind of being abrasive, but she doesn't know why. Yeah, because he's like bothered by all this stuff and hasn't told her. But she says something like this is it, aren't we excited? We're seniors? And he says she's like don't you think that's cool? And he's like I mean, if I had a car, I guess parking in the senior parking lot would be cool. But I was like, yeah, but that's a flex, like that was cool to be able to do that.
Speaker 1:We didn't have that, okay, at my school, because parking sucked. We did, but and then, like now my daughter painted her parking spot I know your son did last year um, and it's like a whole thing. Yeah, that's like a whole thing. I always thought that was a funny. Yeah, we didn't have a big enough parking lot. Yeah, okay, so nobody had designated spots. Just park wherever and you just cross your fingers and hope you can find a spot, because there was not enough parking per student. Oh, man, well, it makes sense. Teachers would have spots, I guess, because they literally have to be there for work. Yeah, exactly, staff parking. Um, I wrote down counting crows collection. Oh, was that that was? He was giving it back to joey, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:I thought that was kind of fun, I know, yeah, yeah, I don't have anything else me either. Oh, I did. I have one thing at the end where she said that she called pacey emotionally retarded. Oh, my god, cringe. Yeah, I did not age well even then, like you would have thought you would have said emotionally immature. No, I think even then we weren't. We weren't good about it. No, oof, yeah, we weren't good about it. Yeah, we should have been, but we weren't.
Speaker 1:So, first episode really really good. Second episode was a little, yeah, but I think I, I think it was necessary to establish now some of these storylines that we're going to be following throughout the season. Whereas, like, the first one did that a little but was more like, what did everyone do? Who's mad at who? How are we resolving things? Yeah. But then the second one, it really did feel like back to business, because they go back to school and like and now we're okay, we're back in the mix. Yeah, it's not this like weird limbo summer time anymore. Yeah, and the writing was much better. It was really good, I, I can better, so tell a difference already. Yes, really, really good. Yeah, um, oh, we didn't even talk about I don't have much to say about it, but the, I guess, was the first episode the two boys that andy is showing around town oh, that was a whole.
Speaker 1:Okay, john and john. John and the guy I knew he was lying. When he was like not talking, I was like, oh, he'd be a liar, yeah. And then he just, and she was like, oh, it's fine, I'm like bitch. No, he just pretended to be not talking Right All day, all day For a long time. I didn't like that. I didn't like that either. But also, that is some dumb teenage shit. Yeah, that is. And Andy's adorable. I loved her bathing suit. I love Jen's too. She had the pink one with the yellow flowers and then Jen had more of like a wrap in the suit and the hat. Yeah, she was really cute, but anyway, awesome.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I guess we will soldier forward with more Dawson's Creek season four. So if you're watching with us, let us know what you think, or if you just don't watch and you just listen to us, that's fine too, which is so funny. You will find out all the things that Dani thinks should be illegal. I didn't say that I know, just because I don't like shorts and heavy PDA guys, unless you're at, like Pride Fest this week. If you're at Pride Fest, you have all the PDA you want. That's what it's there for. Work. Well, that's not what it's there for. I mean, if you can't have PDA at Pride Fest, I guess is what I'm saying Then where can you? Oh well, true, that's what I meant you need to.
Speaker 1:And at mardi gras, there's all kinds of stuff that goes on, not um, that might need to be reined in. I feel like, actually, now that I think about it, yeah, the things I've seen on bourbon street guys, oh boy, anyway, just don't wear jorts while you're doing it. Okay, don't wear jorts, I guess, but don't worry, they're not only. I only like short, short j, that's what it is. It's the length of the denim, okay, okay, we figured out the missing puzzle piece of why I hate jorts it has to be short, short jorts. So now we want Joshua Jackson in short jorts. Okay, I'd be okay with that, me too. Well, you were okay with the long, weird one I like. I like all the things that he's. I like Denim on a man. Good, happy. I mean, yeah, it's the length I need the short jorts. It's the length, short jorts, to your point, though it's not proportional.
Speaker 1:There's something off about that. That's it. Yeah, it's like, it's like cargo shorts. It's not covering the whole leg, yeah, but it's not showing much of the leg, that's it, and it's sort of like, and so then it kind of cuts off the length of the leg. Yeah, I get that. Okay, I get it. We figured it out. Well, see, if we just talk long enough, there's nothing we can't solve. That's it. That's it. That's the answer. That's all your problems. Send us all your problems. No, please, don't we got any. Yeah, um, all right. Well, thank you guys for listening. We'll see you next time, uh, on our Dawson's Creek or a regular episode of Generation In Between. See you next time. Bye, I am so glad I figured out that, george problem.
