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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Friday Night Lights: A Varsity Blues Rewatch
Are you a Lance stan or a Mox fan?
Was football the cornerstone of your high school experience, or just something you saw in teen movies?
If you still think about that ONE Ali Larter scene when you see whipped cream, you might be a Xennial who saw Varsity Blues as a teenager. And we are too.
This week we both rewatched the 1999 teen football drama (from MTV productions) and share our thoughts. We also have some trivia about the stars and talk about the two that are no longer with us.
Love everything high school in the late 90's? Be sure to check out our rewatch series of Dawson's Creek, available in our regular podcast feed.
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Hello, welcome to Generation Inbetween, a Zennio podcast. Where we are, there we go, we are in our varsity blues. I'm not going to look to the side Because I was so irritated with myself when I watched back the other night. Oh, we both were doing it, though I wasn't going to make coffee, got it? Okay, I'll start. Okay, you'll start with the. Have you ever used the line? Okay, cool, because I knew you liked that line so I was like I'll give this to her, okay, thanks. Do you think some of the scariest villains are sports coaches in the late 90s movies? Have you ever used the line I don't want your life to mic drop at the end of an argument? If the term friday night lights instantly makes you think of a brunette dawson leary throwing into the end zone, you might be a Xenial, and we are too. Hi, I'm Katie and I'm Dani. And welcome to Generation In Between, a Xenial podcast where we remember, revisit, whoa, revisit and sometimes relearn all kinds of things from being 80s kids, and in this case, 90s teens, yes, times. We learn all kinds of things from being 80s kids and, in this case, 90s teen, yes. And today we're going full-on friday night lights with the 1999 teen sports drama, varsity blues. So fun so we both re-watched it. Yeah, and if you'll notice on youtube, friends, we are in blue. We have a uniform. Now we have a uniform. It is our. I was to. What does it say I want my generation. Oh my God, you don't even know what our shirt's like. I knew the tank top said that yes, yeah, it's the same design. So they all say it yeah, so we're in blue. We do have a tank top that says made in the eighties, that's right, I need to get that one. Yeah, get them all and just rotate them around. Well, katie was like I got I ordered a tank, and Katie ordered the pink shirt. But then she texted me and she's like okay, I need, I need the other two colors of the teas, cause I like it, cause they're nice, they're like, they're like form fitting but not like crazy, and they're like soft, cause I hate those like scratchy, cheap screen printed teas Y'all all know what we're talking about. And so then I was like, well, screen printed tees, y'all all know what we're talking about. And so then I was like, well, if she's gonna get all the colors, I need all the colors. And then we were like do we match. I don't know, but now we look, we look very official, I like that we're matching. Well, this time we picked the blue for varsity blues, but I but I think I like that we're matching. I think we should always match. We'll see what happens. But what will happen? Yeah, someone will walk in in the wrong color at some point. That will happen, but we will give it a shot.
Speaker 1:So we both rewatched this movie. So tell me, how did your rewatch go? Did you watch it alone? Did you watch with your family? What happened? No, troy and I watched it. I think we watched it last Sunday night, I don't remember, because I was like, oh, I got to get this watched, and like our nights during the week are kind of scattered because we are transporting a child to rehearsals at weird hours. So I think that's when we watched it. It must have, I don't know. Anyway, so we watched it and I hadn't seen this movie in a long time and neither had Troy, but it was enjoyable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you hadn't seen in a while.
Speaker 1:I had. I don't know that I've watched it since I first saw it. Oh, really, maybe because, because it's an mtv movie. Yeah, I forgot that and I feel like maybe I saw it on mtv like in the early 2000s, like college age and a little bit above. Well then, that explains why you don't remember the strip club scene, because it's very edited. It's in there, but it's very edited. Oh, that makes sense on tv, yeah, yeah, but I definitely saw it in theaters when it first came out, but I had forgotten about the teacher at the strip, but a lot of the boobs. And I was like, oh, there's a lot of boobs in that scene. I mean it's a strip club, so right. And then the other scene where they're in the police car. There's a lot of oh in that scene. Yeah, yeah, lots going on.
Speaker 1:But, um, so my husband and I watched it during the day, okay, on tuesday, what time? Because I know it's got to be some random ass time. It was, it was like 10 am, yeah, so we've been trying. So it's the second week our kids are back in school. So usually the first day of school we have like a date day, oh, that's, we go to like breakfast or we go to the gym and we go to breakfast and we'll just hang out quietly at home or whatever.
Speaker 1:But this year was a little different, based on our schedules. But also we have one kid who is taking college classes but still living at home. So the first day everybody went we were just too busy and he was home anyway, and it was a whole thing. So basically, the whole week goes by, we hadn't done anything and I was like you know, I need to watch this movie and I think you'll like it. He swears he's never seen it. That's crazy, yeah. And so I was like let's get everybody out the door Tuesday and my son goes to college classes that day too. Then let's either, like, go to breakfast that's what we did we went to breakfast, came back watch varsity. See, that's the advantage of having two people in the house who have, like, um, non-traditional work schedules. That's nice, yes, and so it was really fun and he I, I had a good time watching it and he really enjoyed it, did he?
Speaker 1:I was like, because he's a big sports guy, yeah, but he's super critical of, like, pop culture movies. A few things he laughed at that were a little laughable. Well, yeah, there's a couple lines and stuff. The one part, um, he didn't laugh at this, but when tweeter was talking about how all women are panty droppers, and he and my husband was like whoa, yeah, because he talks about drugging them. Yeah, yeah, he's like whoa. And then, um, I almost said dawson, uh, mox, yeah, uh, james vanderbeek says, well, I hope you enjoy prison. And rent's like, okay, they saved it a little bit. Well, yeah, I mean like uh, because he's supposed to be crunchy. He's the stifler he's supposed to be. He's the stifler of this movie, absolutely.
Speaker 1:But but we both liked it and I, I asked him, like the football parts to me were very visually like intense, yeah, where you could see their helmets smacking and stuff like that. And I, I granted I don't watch a ton of sports movies and I'm certainly not watching them with like a critical eye if I do but I was like it felt like that camera work and stuff was kind of good, right. And he was like, was like, yeah, it was pretty good. Yeah, like it was. The football scenes were like well done.
Speaker 1:I was, I am not a sports person, as I've said at all. I don't like any sports and my least favorite sport is football because it's so violent. And I, even though I knew like, even though, and like all my other Southern people out there are like sorry guys, whatever. So it was so good. I was cringing like every time somebody got hurt, correct or passed out. I was like, oh my God, like I don't. It makes my stomach flip, I don't like it, right. But yeah, and I mean I don't mind me a sports movie because generally they have like a good, like character arc and like some kind of whatever y'all know.
Speaker 1:I told y'all about my husband and rudy. Oh yeah, like he loves that movie. Um, but troy was saying, speaking of him, he was like I think this is one of like the top football movies. I, I think so too. Brandon say that. But the fact that he was like, yeah, it was pretty good, because I mean I know you have research or whatever I do.
Speaker 1:Okay, I have to say this john voight perfection, so good he played the football coach and he's an asshole. Like there's no redeeming qualities, nothing, nothing but man. Like the mannerisms, the gum chewing, the gum chewing I loved From the first minute he gets on that screen. He is perfect. I mean he was so good, he was really good. And at the end, when he's in his office and packing up his stuff and then he's looking at his trophies, my husband actually said, man, they better not give him a salvation story. And they didn't, and they didn't, they did not, he left, he left. And him like a salvation. And they didn't, and they didn't, they did not, he left, he left. And you know what he had.
Speaker 1:The only good accent I was gonna ask you about, about james van der beek specifically okay, his, I felt like slipped in and out. Now ali larders was the worst. Oh yeah, hers was bad, it was bad. Troy was like I cannot stand how she talked, like it was bad and she'd always go mocks, like that's how she mocks. Yeah, but I, they were bad.
Speaker 1:Speaking of bad texas accents yeah, have you watched the hunting wives yet? Not, yet, it keeps coming up on like netflix every time I open it. And you said it's like a short series, like it's like a series. Yeah, it's like eight episodes. Okay, I will watch it, really will. It is like so, how are their accents terrible? Oh, okay, and the wigs I was just listening to, um, no, but they're so like they're bad. They're very evident that it's wigs. Okay, oh, you'll see. Okay, but it's great, it, it's still really good. It's just, it's wigs. Okay, you'll see. Okay, but it's great, it's still really good. It's just, it's still really good.
Speaker 1:The camp of the show is the bomb. It's so good and it's just so out there in every episode. Like, some of it is like okay, and I was listening to a podcast on the way here. They were talking about it. It was lost culture races Cause I love them, and they were like I don't know if, like, if it's supposed to be making fun of, like the uber conservative, pro-gun texas culture or not, and I'm like thinking, no, it's definitely like tongue-in-cheek, yeah, you'll see, you'll see, you'll see. Okay, it's just like you're supposed to feel some way about it when you watch it, kind of, yeah, okay, okay, you'll see.
Speaker 1:And there are a lot you want to see there. There's so many boobies because there's a lesbian sex scene. Like every episode there's so many boobies. I love how you're like. If you want to see them, like I've been saying, I would like a show where I can see them. Well, when I told you to watch that, I said yeah, it can't be told me it's got crime in it because they're trying to figure out who killed this young girl and you find out in the beginning episode. It was like fine, okay. So the whole time you're it's like a whodunit. And you said boobs, crime and something else, and I'm in, see, I did say that I know, okay, so you're delivering me one, you're giving me one, and here it is.
Speaker 1:But their accents are awful. Oh my god, I love it. They are so bad, like. I'm like, have they ever even been to the south? Oh man, I, I did think, like the um, the cops in the in varsity blues, the police officers seemed to have really good and john was good because john voight's wasn't over the top, no, his, I said his was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his was good. Yeah, yeah, oh, oh. And the dad. And John Voight's was good because John Voight's wasn't over the top, no, his, I said his was the only good one. Yeah, his was good. Yeah, yeah, oh. And the dad, the one dad, lance's dad, no, the one who gets hurt, not Lance's dad. I don't even know if he was a dad, it was just a local guy. Okay, he had good, it was a very like redneck. And he was the one talking to the cop at the restaurant, right, yes, when they were like smoking and talking about the boys being bad or whatever. Yeah, his was good. That one felt like you were in a Southern breakfast place. Yeah, for real, like they felt for real. Okay, all right, let's go, let's do it, okay.
Speaker 1:So varsity blues, uh, as a whole, was released in the united states on january 15th 1999. It's a paramount pictures, but it was produced by mtv production, yeah, which is partially why the soundtrack is so fire, so good, so, so good. The film grossed 54.3 million worldwide, wow. And it had mixed reviews from critics. We'll get into some of that, uh. But it did have praise for its depiction of small town communities, but it, like, critics criticize some of the cliches, but I'm sorry, I grew up in the south and some of those are 100 real. Yeah. So there you go.
Speaker 1:Football literally is a way of life for a lot of people. They will hold kids back. They probably can't get away with that now, but back of people, they will hold kids back. They probably can't get away with that now, but back in the day they would hold kids back so they can play. Yeah, you know, oh, it's a whole thing. You would move, people would move, so they would be in another district.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I thought it was pretty on point and, like the, the steroid usage. That probably can't happen now, but I guarantee it happened back in the nineties. Oh, absolutely, and I know I have seen on a football field somebody get knocked out and they bring the smelling salts to come back. There was no concussion protocol back then, none, and they would go right back out. That whole part was so cringy. It was awful when that happened. But you're right, it's realistic. Yeah, I mean that was real. I mean it doesn't.
Speaker 1:I would hope it doesn't happen as much now and now. There's so many laws in effect. Yeah, like it's harder to do. I'm sure it still happens. Yeah, or or at least, if you're caught doing it, the repercussions are more, oh, yeah, like your ass is going to jail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you, some teenage kids, absolutely, absolutely well, and I don't what they were giving him. That's what Troy and I were talking about. They're like are they giving him steroids? I was like, no, what I think they're giving him, not like steroids, like testosterone. You know, when you get inflammation, you can get a steroid shot to reduce that inflammation. It's like a cortisol shot. It's like a cortisol shot and that is really problematic, because what happens is it makes you feel better, but it doesn't do anything to help heal it. Correct? So what you're doing is you're feeling better, so you think, oh, let me go and do all these things and it makes it worse, which is what happened to Lance. Yeah, I think that's what it was. I think it was steroids, but but still, all of those things that are designed to mask or, um, in a fake way, make someone feel better, to to perform for a sport, for a high school sport. Goodness, gracious, yeah.
Speaker 1:So if you haven't watched it and you're just listening to us, the movie follows the backup quarterback, jonathan Mox. To us, the movie follows the backup quarterback, jonathan mox, mox, mox, mox. He's not like chickens. Mox, mox, mox. Sorry everyone, sorry everyone. Um, and he was played by james vanderbeek of dawson's creek fame, and his character suddenly has to lead the team when the quarterback lance harbour, played by paul walker, gets injured.
Speaker 1:Listen, I forgot how exceedingly good-looking Paul Walker was. It was painful. Like he is part of that, like 0.001% of humans that are just perfectly symmetrical, which is what makes somebody so attractive. There's not a lot of other, there's not a lot of people in the world, but he is one. He the first time he came on the screen, like we could, like see him right, like not when he walks out on the porch. On the porch, that's what I was about to say. I like audibly gasped for a few reasons. One, he's so good looking and you forget until you see it again. It's so young, so yeah. And two, just remembering, like he's not with us anymore.
Speaker 1:I know there's two people from the main cast who have passed. He's one. The other one's um billy bob. He died, I have it in my notes, but he, at a year after the movie came out, he got gastric bypass, oh, which, whatever that's about, but he was. He was over 500 pounds. He got gastric bypass bypass and lost like over 300 pounds, something like that. And that was in 2000, 2001. He didn't die till 2016. And he maintained like the lower weight, but he died of kidney and liver failure and he was only like 40 or something. Oh, my God, I guess from all the years before His body was just taxed out. Yeah, like everything. Yeah, ran out of steam faster than normal. So he's also passed. Oh, that's so sad. And then James Van Der Beek fighting colorectal cancer right now. Cancer right now, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I just it kind of just made me feel sort of sad when I was watching the movie, watching the people who have passed and how young they are and thinking of like my, like oh, I was young then too. I don't know it, just it more than more so than other things we've watched with nostalgia. I was really feeling a little bit of that. I think that's middle age, that's what happens to you at middle age. You're like it's like a mortality check.
Speaker 1:You know, I've been thinking about that a lot too, because brought our kid to college. He's in college right now and he's having a hard time adjusting and I it's making me remember being that age and all the feelings and then thinking, shit, that was so long ago, right, like you have to literally see your own offspring going through it to even sort of tap those feelings. Yeah, and I thought of it too because, like you know, we're texting him or he was like FaceTiming with his brother and I'm like damn, I remember I had to have like a calling card to dial on a cordless phone in my dorm room to talk to my parents and I would go sit in the hall like because I still had a boyfriend in high school when I first went to college not for long, but I would call him on a calling card and then hope he was home, and then I'd sit in the hall and talk to him so I wasn't bothering my roommate. And then everybody's walking by me and yeah, it's. I've been thinking about that as it relates to your son too, because I've just been thinking about like how that's how we had to communicate with people back home and at least now they have more communication, yeah, but I don't know if that's better or worse. I know, because then they're in real time, like whether he's FaceTiming with his brother or his girlfriend, who is my daughter or whoever. He's seeing all the stuff more than he would have. Right, and is that comforting or is that like and I'm sure the longer he's there, the easier those types of things will feel, but it's hard right now. So, yeah, that was a long time ago. Yeah, it just makes me be like fuck, like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so long ago, a lifetime ago, another real I thought of it because I told him, like I was just asking it Like he has a friend that is there that they knew in high school here, but he's older, he's like two years older. Okay, so he's like had them over to his apartment or whatever. But I was like, oh, I was like well, did y'all go somewhere, or did you just, like, hang out? No, we just hung out at his apartment. I was like and I said, oh well, how old do you have to be to go to bars there? Because I don't know, like, yeah, so can you be 18 or do you have to be 21? And like actually go. And he said, no, you can be 18. You just get a wristband. And I was like, okay, and he's like, yeah, I think we may play around with drinking in a bar, because they will take your ass to jail, especially in a college. They're looking, when I was in college, they would hand you a ticket, yeah, and that's, you'd pay it. And you or in my case, I told the story on here I think, yeah, I think you did. Yeah, I mean, I was 17, so I had to go to court and it was a whole annoying mess. But if you were 18, they'd give you it because they didn't want to deal with it. No, but now they're like, fuck, no, you're cuffing and you're going to jail. So, yeah, no, they don't mess around.
Speaker 1:My, my son, who's your son's age, went away for the weekend with some friends this past weekend and that was an interesting experience because they all drove and at one point one of my kids was like, oh, he's at the club. I was like what Isn't that weird? But it was 18 plus and he had a wristband and it looked like a fun club. I guess I had some fun in my club days. Yeah, I had some fun times, yeah, yeah. So so long ago and now we get to relive it sort of so long ago, so long, it's so weird, anyway, okay, so I get it all right.
Speaker 1:So varsity blues was directed by brian robbins, who also directed another 90s classic good burger. Oh my god, did you? I totally forgot about that movie. I was too old for the keenan and cal stuff. Like we're a little too old. We were, but I I've seen it because Cooper likes to walk. Well, first of all, we love Saturday Night Live and we love Kenan Thompson. He is the goat. He walks on screen and I laugh. He is just Period. I need to know what he ingests to stay young. Looking because he looks exactly the same, I know Him and freaking. Who are we? Paul Rudd, what are they doing? What witchcraft are they part of Both of them? They're in the same cult somewhere. Anyway, cooper loves him and he likes to look up like old Disney shows or Nickelodeon shows because you can stream everything Absolutely. And he watched Good Burger like a bajillion times. I'm like, actually this is pretty funny, it's really funny.
Speaker 1:Those two kids together had such comedic, genius timing. They were, you know, yeah, and like you said, there's some actors that are super funny by themselves, which in their cases is true, but then when you put them with a certain other person, they're just so funny. I feel that way about Will Ferrell and John C Reilly, who were in Step Brothers together, and then the what was it? The legend of Ricky Bobby? I couldn't, I was like Bobby, what Ricky Bobby Like. Anytime they're together I'm like, oh my God, they're so funny together. Mean, we're mentioning all males, of course, you've got like the Tina Faye and the Amy Poehler. You can't even, can't even with them. Those two, I love them. And then Maya Rudolph with anybody oh yeah, I know, I fucking love her, her and Kristen Wiig in that Bridesmaids movie. And then like other stuff too, like on SNL. Oh man, they're so funny. All right, we're here, all right. So anyway, here we go. Okay, so the Good Burger Guy is the one that directed this. That's great, yeah, which I guess that that was an MTV movie too.
Speaker 1:I was going to say wasn have mox, who is james vanderby, and at this point he was already dawson leary on dawson's creek. Uh, he actually auditioned for this role as mox while season one was airing okay, while it was airing. So he was already, though, because his hair was brown. So that's, I was like it must have been on a break in between, it must have been, it must have been, and then they had to diet back, yeah, or if it was like you didn't come across permanent, not when they actually filmed it. Okay, um, he was actually in another movie before this. This wasn't his first movie, but no one's ever really heard of it and it was in 1995.
Speaker 1:It was called angus. I have heard of that, you've seen it, and oh, he played. Did he play a bully? Yeah, I do remember it. Yeah, it was about this little funny, little awkward looking kid. He was Angus, oh, yeah, and he was James. Van Der Beek was like the popular mean guy. Yeah, I have seen Angus. So, ha, I have heard of it. Okay, no one's heard of it, except Danny, also me just saying no one's heard of it, with absolutely nothing to back that up at all. I'm pretty sure it was a pretty popular movie. Well, we might have to re-watch that one or watch it. Nobody's heard of it and I'm like, oh, I've seen that. You're like he was this character. There was another character, not like it matters, because I've seen all kinds of random shit. So that's true. Well, listeners, if you've seen angus, let us us know. I gotta keep talking. I gotta pull up the picture of the kid, because you'll know him once you see him. Well, you're gonna love this.
Speaker 1:Vanderbeek obviously began in showbiz at a young age, is that? It? Is that the pictures? Yeah, you know who else is in that movie. It's that girl that was in Jurassic Park. And the kid that was in, can't hardly wait. Laura linney, no, the young girl. Oh, yeah, you're right, I can't remember. And then the klepto kid yeah, yeah, and kathy bates was in it, okay, george c scott. And it says it's from the producers of cool runnings. Yeah, well, okay, look at you. All. Right, angus, pretty sure you going to have to be on my list, so you're going to love this.
Speaker 1:Before he went to New York City to try to make a big, which he convinced his mom to take him there at age 15. Okay, before that, his first role ever was in a school play, middle school production of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. Who was he? He was Ruben. Get out, yes, let's go. So he was just like one of the brothers. Oh my gosh, isn't that crazy. Okay, I never knew that. Um, so he got a singer. I because remember that episode where he was drunk singing. It was not good, but I guess he was. I mean his middle school production. He was ruben. I mean, well, he might not be much of a singer but also okay, well, we're gonna have to find videos because I would love to know if he's, if he's a decent. But he, like, immediately found an agent and he made his professional debut off broadway at age 16.
Speaker 1:In 1993 he was in the premiere of the edward albee play finding the sun, wow, with the signature theater company and edward albee is like one of the best playwrights ever. American play playwrights did not know and it had like good critical reviews. I've never heard of it. Well, no one's ever heard of it, as every listener's like. I've seen it. Well, you know, I always I feel like this is going to sound dumb. But like theater. People know this. But I feel like people who are just like not big into theater, like Broadway is not just musicals right, that's right. You know a lot of people that aren't in the theater world or that don't love theater, don't realize that, like what what is called straight plays are just as popular and big of a deal as musicals, and even off broadway. Oh yeah, it's right there. Yeah, it's, it's a big deal to be in an off-Broadway show, right For sure.
Speaker 1:So before he was on Dawson's, he also had minor roles on Clarissa Explains it All. Love that show. And the soap opera as the World Turns. Everybody back then had been in soap operas, everybody, every good-looking person oh true, good-looking. Good-looking in oh true, yeah, good looking. Good looking in the standards of the day, in the Eurocentric patriarchal standards, exactly so. And then just a note in here that I Don't Want your Life scene has been one of the most parodied lines of the 90s Because it's so good, and he did have a good accent when he delivered that line. That is true, he did a good job on that one. That one he did. He had some that were that's what I mean. He was slipping in and out. Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1:It's funny to me because I am from the South and like I haven't. I mean I live in Florida but Florida is not really the same. The panhandle is still kind of like, uh, country fives in some places. But down here a lot of people don't have like Southern accents. But I feel like I haven't lived somewhere where there's Southern accent a long time. But mine still sneaks in here and there and to me it seems like the easiest accent to fake. But I guess not. I guess not.
Speaker 1:What do you think? Cause you don't have a Southern accent? I don't, I've tried. I think I tried it for one role. We ended up dropping it because I just I was thinking I was slipping in and out. They were like that's bad, they're like you know what, just say it. Normally I was like, okay, um, interesting, okay, I don't know I I think I would have to actually try it and study it and make it work. But I do think it's got so many different little nuances depending where you're from. Yeah, it's very.
Speaker 1:What makes it sound not authentic is when people are sort of just mushing them all together. Yeah, and I think that's easy to do and I think that's what happened in this movie. Well, you know, what I can tell you is when people have like a Texas sounding accent in movies or shows that take place in New Orleans, that is incorrect. Nobody talks like that. Everybody talks more. It's almost Boston sounding like the Cajun accent in the New Orleans area, like, if you talk to my stepdad, he's the perfect example of what a South Louisiana accent sounds like. It's very different than and I hate that like a time to kill was one because it took place in New Orleans and you have Matthew McConaughey, although he was from Georgia, in that movie.
Speaker 1:But everybody there talks like super Southern drawl and that's not how people talk down there. There's different, different nuances of it, and so I think that's what makes it hard to just say do a Southern accent Well, it's like well, what do you mean? But what do you mean? Because a New Orleans accent like my stepdad, that's how he talks. He goes hey, baby, this is Papa D, how you doing. That's how he talks. Oh, I love that, that's so fun. And if you ever meet him you'll be like oh yeah, we. And I'm like hey, baby, this is Papa D, how you doing. Everybody out there that knows him is like that is what he sounds like. Like, wow, you sound just like him, but that's how people sound down there. I love that, okay, so it's so funny.
Speaker 1:But to your point about accents, I think that's why that's a hard one. I get it. Now, if you don't specifically say sound like you're from here or there, I specifically say I get sound like you're from here or there, I get you. Um, I love it. When I do auditions and they're like, can you do a southern accent? I'm like yes, yeah, like what I can? I have a hard time with like new york accents. That's I can't. I can do british, but I can't do new york's hard. It's hard. Jersey, yeah, I can't do that. Those are hard and sometimes canadian can be hard. I can get closer to canadian because of being from the midwest, because it's sort of a hybrid, because y'all say A, a, we say some things similarly, but then also saying what did Canadian sound like?
Speaker 1:Because that's super regional too, right? Well, that's what I was going to say. Even just saying Canadian, like it's a huge country, people talk differently in different parts of it, right, but they've got the like about. We're about to go to the and they just call things different names. A, they do say a, but then if you end up in like minnesota or somewhere, minnesota, minnesota they sound like that too. So got you. You know, I don't know, maybe it's the cold makes you talk like that, it might be the south. Your brain slows down. Right, exactly, that must be it all right.
Speaker 1:So vanderbeek, uh, it just says, of that I don't want your life part. He's kind of leaned into that and just made fun of it over the years. Um, he's really good at making fun of himself. He really is like. You never did watch, no, but I want to.
Speaker 1:And and now that my husband watched this with me, we were talking more about james vanderbeek, because he, my husband, was like going down a research rabbit hole and I was like, yeah, he's. I was like he's really cool because my husband's like I've seen him in something. I'm like Dawson's Creek. He's like no. And then Ali Larder, he's like man, I've seen her in something. She was in everything. There was one more, was it? Well, yeah, it was, but that was a different one. Anyway, he remembered Ali Larder and James Van Der Beek from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back oh, a Kevin Smith movie. He was like they were in that movie. They were, they were. He was like he was really funny, yeah, he is really funny. And then Billy Bob and James Van Der Beek were both in Not Another Teen Movie yeah, kind of playing their roles from varsity blues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Troy, as soon as the whipped cream bikini came out, he started dying, laughing and he's like, oh my God, remember the guy who is now captain America, like he was the one with the banana split, with the banana, but and I totally forgot about it, I forgot and he was like, what's that guy's name? And I was like I couldn't remember so we had to look it up. Now I forgot it. What's his name? Captain America, yeah, I can see his face, but I don't remember his name. He's one of the Chris's right. It's not Chris Pine, no, that's wrong. Chris Helms no, is that even a person? I don't know. We're getting everything wrong. Anyway, she's going. So I found out I don't know if it's tea, but something I didn't know about James Van Der Beek, chris Evans, evans Okay, yes, chris Helms is a person.
Speaker 1:It is. Yeah, there's like the three of them Chris Pine, chris Helms, chris Evans that people get mixed up. Well now, who is that? That's going to drive me crazy. Chris Helms. Let's look at him. Helms is somebody in the Virginia Athletics.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking of Helmsworth. I'm thinking of Helmsworth. Chris Helmsworth, that's what. What are you talking about? No, what Australian actor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's who I'm thinking of. That is who I'm thinking of. It's not Stop. It's Chris Helmsworth and Liam Helmsworth the bros and Liam Hemsworth the bros, and one of them wasn't into the woods, he was the agony. This is Chris Hemsworth. That's who I was thinking of. That's Thor. Oh, yeah, that is Thor.
Speaker 1:Now that you said that, I'm like yeah, katie's failing on the pop culture references today. Too many Chris's to keep track of. Thor is my fave Avenger. I know you like Thor. I love Thor and I love Loki dressed up as Thor. He was fat Thor, fat Thor. I love that. Yeah, I mean, I had good costumes. We always have good costumes.
Speaker 1:We can't decide this year which is it's only August, but usually I have it. I know, and I'm working on it, cause home. Yeah, for halloween it's just the three of us, which actually makes it easier. That's true, because cooper likes to dress up, so he does just put him in something. He had a really good idea, but I'm not gonna say it in case we do it. Okay, we'll wait. We are on rabbit trail, all right.
Speaker 1:So the tea that I found on james vanderbeek. So he is married to his wife, kimberly. They got married in 2010. They have a bunch of kids six, six children, four girls, two boys. Did she birth them all? Yes, yes, bless her. She's had at least two or three miscarriages, because they've been vocal after the fact. The week he got voted off Dancing with the Stars, she had a miscarriage Same week, sad. She's been pregnant eight or nine times and I at least one of them was like a later term miscarriage, like 18 or 19, something like that. They're never easy, but poor thing.
Speaker 1:Um, but before that, he was actually married to someone else from 2003 to 2010. Who was it? Heather McComb. She's an actress. She was on. She looks like his wife, maybe she's like got strawberry blonde hair, and I wondered, because as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, maybe he has kids then from like, a previous marriage. Okay, no, she's not on. Charmed, who am I thinking of? Carlos is a big Charmed fan and he'll be like Danny. What are you even talking about? I don't know who that is, anyway, but they never had any children. She does look like his current wife. Look out.
Speaker 1:He met his current wife in Israel. He was on a trip like a humanitarian trip of some sort. That's how they met. Then they kind of full circle, when they first got married, lived in new york city and then, in 2020, during covid times, moved their family out to texas and they live on a big ranch. Yeah, they live on all kinds of land which I hadn't really thought of that connection with, like varsity blues, yeah, but yeah, they live their little um, homestead, homestead lifestyle and they they're like super, like natural people. Yeah, they are, they're very holistically and just kind of like, you know, living off the land and stuff.
Speaker 1:But I will say, because there's nothing wrong with that at all, but sometimes people can sort of get on like a soapbox about that and I will say, especially since he's been fighting cancer, he's been the first to be like look, I live in this quote, unquote natural state and I still and I'm like you got to get screened, you got to get this stuff checked out. So I I give him props for that. Yeah, good for him for really being open about it. He's a good guy. All right, let's move on to Paul Walker. Oh, bless it.
Speaker 1:So this was before the fast the furious, yeah, and varsity blues was a breakout role for them, right, everyone knew who he was. Was he a model? Uh, not that I see. No, I mean he probably was, but it might not have been anything like big like we would know. Um, and then he became like the big heartthrob of the fast and furious saga. He starred in seven of the films. Was he in that many seven?
Speaker 1:So when we went to universal the last time, we went on the fast and furious ride, which is horrible. The best part of that ride is the is the pre-show thing where you see all the cars. Well, I don't care, but my oldest loves cars. He's getting really into like fast cars and like that's like he is into that, and so they have some of the og cars from the movie so cool. So as you, as you're waiting in line, you go through it looks like you're in their shop. Fun, and they had. I mean, it's well known that that ride is terrible because they could have done something so fucking awesome. Yeah, fast cars, hello.
Speaker 1:But as we were standing there, troy and I were like, how many movies? Like was Vin Diesel in all of them? And then Paul Walker, and we're like, well, when did he die? Like, so he was in seven of them. He was in seven, all right, yeah, he passed away in 2013 and he was 40.
Speaker 1:I guess I thought he was younger than that. He just looked younger, um, but he was in a car driven by someone else named roger rodas and they were traveling somewhere between 80 and 93 miles per hour on like a residential street in Santa Clarita, california, and the driver lost control of the car, crashed into a concrete lamppost, a tree fell on it and the trees caught fire. It was just like every horrible thing. You know what it sounds like. Final destination Also. Yes, also, when they tell in Flowers, in the attic, when they're like he got hit by a car and then he rolled into a ditch and then a tree fell on it and then it burst into flames. That's what it sounds like. It's so terrible and I mean it's super tragic. But my husband looked it up Cause I was like, oh, he died. He was like, from what I was, like, I think a car accident. So then he looked it up, but he was like he was 40. He's like that doesn't seem like something 40 year olds would be like.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, was there questionable on if the driver was under the influence? Yeah, or if they both were? I think they both were, yeah, yeah. So I mean Not using all their judgment, but I mean I mean I'm 44 and I do things that are stupid, not like that. But I'm saying everybody has a different. Yeah, everybody has that. Like we're just lucky we don't get hurt. Does that make sense? Like when we're not paying attention or whatever, whether we're in a car or just going through life, and most of the time you're still going to be okay. But that one time, yeah, you know something happens, yeah, man, so anyway, so that's all on Paul Walker. That's it on Paul Walker.
Speaker 1:John Voight I could list all the things he's been in, but I didn't. He's done so much. He is an Academy Award winning actor. Yeah, he's so good. And he's Angelina Jolie's dad Dad, which she looks like him. I know For real the eyes, for real the eyes I really noticed that when I rewatched this time and the eyebrows.
Speaker 1:The cast said that they were actually intimidated by him on set. I believe it, because he stayed in character between takes. That's an actor, so they were terrified of him. You know, you almost have to Like, if you're playing that strong of a character, to make that flip. Yeah, like, I don't know, have you ever played a character where you have a hard time flipping?
Speaker 1:Um, yes, there was one where, like I, I died in like the first five minutes but I took my own life and so I would have to basically be like hey, everybody, and get ready for the show and be like chatting with my castmates and then, like 30 to 45 minutes before we started, I like no one talked to me. I had to like sit against a wall and just like, yeah, get to that place somehow, because I couldn't go from like oh no, katie talking to her castmates to like this character. You know that's come to this point, so that probably is one um, but that's like yeah, real life to whatever. I can't. I do a lot of like musicals that are upbeat, so a lot of times just smiling and dancing and singing, so that's not as hard.
Speaker 1:The show I'm going to be in next to normal is coming up in a couple months. I'm going to have to. That's going to be hard. It's gonna be a rough one. You're gonna have to like make sure you have plenty of self care time, not normal crazy life, yeah. And my husband pointed out and I think he's right, he's like I think you need to like book some therapy appointments in advance, like just be like ahead of it and some body work stuff like massage or acupuncture or something, just because our body holds it Absolutely and I can get like physically sick from that, yeah. So I think that's going to be one that obviously I won't be a method actor about, but it's going to take extra time getting in and out of character. Yeah, yeah, what about you? Have you had any rules like that? Well, you know, I got not.
Speaker 1:Really the only thing I can think of is remember when I did last Christmas, right after Christmas story, I did that scary event for yes, right, but I could flip the switch because I would go. Basically what I did it was kind of like an interactive escape room. Is that scavenger hunting? So, yeah, my friend OP does all these crazy like alternate thing. I love doing them cause they're just so out there and I had to play this really horrible demented um, I don't even know what I was.
Speaker 1:Uh, I was just a bad. I don't even know what I was, I was just a bad. I don't even know if I was a person, you were something. I was really evil and bad and I had to just fuck with people. But I would go in and out of the room to try and mess with people. So I'd go in and I used a Cockney accent and I would just do whatever. And then I'd come out and I'd just be standing there just talking to OP about our kids and then he'd be like, okay, you can go back in now. And I'd walk back in and be like I don't know whatever. I'd say whatever you said. So I think when it's for short term, I can just pop it on and off. And that was still. Even though it was scary, it was still funny. I was going to say it was silly. It was silly, scary. So, nah, not yet. I mean again, I haven't done anything. Super dark or deep. I know you've mentioned um steel.
Speaker 1:Magnolias is like a heart show for you. I bet that would be one if you're ever cast in. Oh my god, that you would have to take a little extra time on depending which character you were. Well, but any any of them really, because that graveyard scene where millen breaks down yep, they're all there, yeah, and they're keeping her together, yeah. So I think that I think that might be one for you, because I I believe you're gonna be in that show one day.
Speaker 1:It's like, but I have auditioned for this show three times now and it's I'm always in a different age bracket. Yeah, it's like I could be these characters. Okay, now it's a decade later. I could be these characters. I was just talking to somebody about that yesterday. We were talking about how it's a cast of six women and two of them are in their twenties and their early twenties, maybe even late teens, like 18, 19. Two of them are supposed to be like in their forties fifties, which is Melinda and Truby, and then two are in their sixties or seventies, which is Clarice and Weezer. Yeah, so when I was well, actually I actually I've only auditioned twice yes, because I auditioned for Shelby. Or now, when I was young, then I auditioned for Melinda or Truby. Yeah, so maybe my next one, cause I can be Weezerer listen, you'd be so good if I could be or trivi, I would like to be trivi. I did.
Speaker 1:I did do a callback for milan and that's the scene we had to do was the monologue. That was. That was hard, and I mean, of course, and we all sat there and watched everybody that got called back. So we're already crying when they're crying. When they're, you have to cry. Yeah, girl, anyway, wow, okay. Well, that might be the one for you. It's going to come eventually.
Speaker 1:So the other thing, though, about John Voight yes, method actor, but he's also just kind of an asshole in real life, is he? Yeah, he's not a very nice person. Oh fuck, for being a dick and being very standoffish and very aloof, and him and Angelina Jolie are estranged, and have been because of some very public like things with that. So, yes, method, but also kind of probably who he is, but he is a great actor. Well, across the board, we can separate the art from the artist. I guess I would like to see him win an academy award for being like the opposite of who he is. That to me, would be like like, just like a doting, loving, wonderful grandpa or something like. Can we see that and give him an award instead of just being like like, good job, you played yourself. You were an asshole, yeah. So what a stretch, what a stretch. Applause, applause. All right, okay, we'll move on to Allie Larder, who played Darcy, right?
Speaker 1:She of course has this infamous whipped cream bikini scene. We were watching it and both of us my husband and I, both just laughed. We're like it's just so silly now. It's silly now. It was very like this when it first happened, when she sat down on the couch. Troy goes, she's got to make a mess. I know, don't sit Well, and maybe it's because I'm remembering seeing it on TV or totally misremembering. I remembered it having way more. Oh no, like on the side, it's like where's her bikini? It's like so little size, like she had a whipped cream stress, I thought she did. I was like where'd they go? It was just to cover her, I know, I mean it makes sense, but I don't know what I was thinking. So you may have guessed this, but it wasn't actually whipped cream. Obviously it would have melted right off. It was was shaving cream. Okay, that makes sense, right?
Speaker 1:So this was her first major movie role, was it? But then she was later in Dawson's Creek, but that was before this, yeah, and the TV cameo. So that was TV. Yeah, yeah, she was in Final Destination. Yeah, legally Blonde, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And she was also a fan favorite on the show Heroes. Did you ever watch Heroes? I didn't. Oh, I hate it. I hate it. Whatever it had.
Speaker 1:Hayden Pontier, I don't think that that's how it's so either. Anyway, her, she was also on heroes. I can't either. Why, why did I sound like that? Anyway, and then, obviously, we've talked about her before. She's been in a bunch of other stuff, are you okay? No, I'll take my glasses off for a minute.
Speaker 1:She's in that current series, landman. Oh, yes, I've seen clips of that show and it looks so good, it looks really good. She's still hot. She's so good looking, hello, yeah, and like I don't think she's had any work done. Honestly, she looks her age to me, like she doesn't look like she did in varsity blues, but she looks great. Oh my God, I honestly don't think she just still looks great. She just looks great. Yeah, I want to see that show for for both of those actors. I like both of those actors, yeah, um, that's what I have on her.
Speaker 1:Oh, amy smart, this was one of her first uh movies ever. She has jewels. She's not my favorite. She was. She was kind of meh in this movie. What else has she been in, okay. So then right after that, she was in road trip. Oh, right, just friends and the butterfly effect oh, that movie's so good with ashton. Yes, oh, that movie. So she she played opposite some like pretty big hitters good, I just. Yeah, I guess her character was supposed to be kind of plain. I think so too. I like the only part I really liked of hers was when she was at work, oh, and on the microphone she's like oh, my god, look who's at my window. Yeah, the big quarterback. Ma, yeah, yeah, I liked that scene, but otherwise me, yeah, yeah, they did her wrong with her hair in this show too. I agree with that. It just didn't look right. Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:Then we have Scott Connors tweeter, the wild, wide receiver. He was adorable too, back in the day, so adorable. He also looked 25. I don't know how, I didn't know this, but he's James Conn's son. Oh duh, like really famous actor. He does look like him. Now that I say that I'm like His face. Yeah, when I looked it up I was like, oh, yeah, and he sounds like him too. Yes, yeah, how funny, how funny. And then he went on. He was in the Ocean's 11 movies. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he was on the TV series and still is Hawaii five. Oh, okay, the reboot. He's still good looking too. I bet I think he is.
Speaker 1:He's another one that like looks his age but it, yeah, those movies are so freaking good. Those are really good. I haven't watched those in forever. Those are really good. I used to watch those a lot. But you know how you would have movies where you just like put them on and those are ones that you can, because you can just even watch just a couple scenes and be like entertained and move on.
Speaker 1:The thing about that movie is that's like a true ensemble movie and every fucking person is good. I totally agree. That's what made them so good. Yeah, because it was like, not like you said, not just like focus on one or two. I mean, I would argue like george clooney's storyline gets a little more oh yeah than everybody. But yeah, every single different characters, so different from each other. Yeah, like every single one. Don cheeto come on, I know, come on, all right, anyway, love him, uh.
Speaker 1:And then ron lester is billy bob, which we already kind of talked about how he died. Ok, so he's 45 when he died. That's still young, so young, yeah, and it was just the health challenges he faced before that liver and kidney issues. And then he was hospitalized for several months prior to when he passed away and then eventually taken off life support. Oh, I know, gosh, and I was thinking about this, he had his gastric bypass after the movie.
Speaker 1:I'm like I wonder, if I don't know like was, did he feel bad about himself watching the movie and that's why? Or was it like oh, I'm a hollywood person, now this is what you do, I think? Well, he probably had a lot of health problems. Yeah, I mean, 500 pounds is a lot of weight and that I mean that is very taxing on your body, on your organs. I mean, just like you saw in the movie, right, like it is very taxing. And maybe he just finally had the, the means To to do something about it, because you don't know that's the thing. You don't know why someone's weight is the way. It is Right. You can't make judgments just because somebody's in a smaller body or in a bigger body. You don't know he could have had a glandular, glandular issue, you could have. He could have had all kinds of things happening that he couldn't get a handle on without money because health care in our country sucks, yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, but whatever it is, it's his body, yeah, and I mean I guess maybe silver lining or bright side, hopefully getting some of that weight off. Yeah, did extend his life life, yeah, somewhat right, even if it was still too. He'd gone too soon, it was hopefully still longer.
Speaker 1:And I felt bad for him that whole movie. Me too, I, because I did. I also. I felt bad for him the whole movie, and you're supposed to. But I felt like the fat jokes, that's like all they had. Yeah, well, my husband, um, was like, as soon as he came on the screen and he was driving the truck, billy bob, he's like this like one of the first comments my husband made when the movie started. He's like, oh good, we're gonna have the fat guy. Yeah, yeah, like great, it's gonna be a movie full of fat jokes. And I was like, well, yeah, and that's gonna be part of it. I hate it.
Speaker 1:And, and to your point, like you're supposed to feel bad for him, you're also supposed to like like him. You know, you're supposed to like he's lovable, he's kind, but then he's also not very smart and I didn't know how those two things were related. Yeah, I didn't like that either. Like when he was like I had it, I had to scan the cats yeah, he's talking about a cat scan. I was was like what. Or when he's like how many fingers am I holding up? And Mox is like, no, you got to ask him something, he'll know. Yeah, you know, it's like what those? Yeah, like he's dumb and fat, right, I just yeah, it was icky. Yeah, I didn't like that.
Speaker 1:It was the 90s. Um, those were all the stars I had anything on. Uh, oh, let's move to the soundtrack. Okay, so this was released a week before the movie from Hollywood records, so it had loud mouth fly.
Speaker 1:I was listening to it on the way here, so good, I mean, is it even a football movie If, thunderstruck by ACDC? You know exactly that's what I was listening to, cause, man, I love that hype song. So good, we, exactly that's what I was listening to, because, man, that's a good hype song, so good, we should listen to that every time before we record. Oh, my God, let's, we're going to come on like hey guys, although, that poor man, that lead singer at ACDC, he must have had some vocal problems. Oh man. All he did was scream yeah, I'm just like it's got to be hard. Yeah, it's like poor Bon Jovi. Did you hear about all that? That? Bon Jovi had surgery on his vocal cords and couldn't like talk for a while and he had vocal cord paralysis. He's okay now, but it took him years. Yeah, he almost couldn't sing at all anymore. Oof, I know. Anyway, moving on, nice guys finish. Last Green Day. My Hero, there goes my hero. Also, a great football movie song yeah, I love that song. Foo Fighters, collective Soul Run. Are you Ready for the Fallout Fastball? I know that one Horror Show, third Eyed Blind.
Speaker 1:Every Little Thing Counts. Janis Stark Hot for Teacher Van Halen. Ship Jumper Simon Says Kick Out the Jams. Okay, monster Magnet. I don't know what that is. I don't either. Kick Out the Jams. It sounds like a jock jam beat. Maybe it was. I didn't hear that one on my list. I didn't either.
Speaker 1:Black Eye from Black Lab. Two Faces, days of the New Thunderstruck, acdc, teen Competition, red Cross and Varsity Blue. Caroline Spine, thunder. I love that song. I always get lyrics wrong. You know this Well. I think Thunder's right. No, thunder's right. I was about to start singing the first verse. I'm like nah, I'm like you know what. I won't do that on a recorded situation. Yeah, so that was really good. And when it first started and the music started playing and then they showed like the moon man, yes, I said that's right, this is MTV. I was like, oh good, the music's going to be really good. And it was, it was. I thought they did a really good job with the music. Great, all right.
Speaker 1:So just, vanderbeek was not naturally good at football. He had to train with a quarterback. Wow, for four weeks. That's not long. That's not that long, though. Seriously, he was like young and fit, so he was able to pick it up. You can train me for four weeks and I still fucking want to be able to play football Me either, although we don't know how many. Was it eight hours a day? It doesn't matter. You can train me 24 hours a day. You need a year. I need nothing because I can't.
Speaker 1:I am terrible at sports, which it always surprises people, because I am strong and I am athletic, but I am not a sports person. Does that make sense? I mean, depending what sport it is, there's a lot of coordination that goes into that too. I'm not saying you're not coordinated, no, but the catching hand-eye coordination, y'all it's bad. I cannot, cannot. Yeah, totally. So you'd be good like running track or swimming laps, except I'm slow AF. So On both Running and swimming I'm a horrible swimmer. You are, oh God, oh my gosh, oh yeah, girl, okay, what about me would make you think I'm a good swimmer? I don't know, I just would have thought you would have been a good swimmer. No, oh, I'm not. I bet you are. I bet you're being modest. Okay, you can come watch me. I got a good swimmer, I'm a really good swimmer. Yeah, well, good for you.
Speaker 1:I've been swimming more because I was like remembering, because I get so frustrated when I get stiff and sore from exercise, even walking sometimes, if I walk too far or too fast or the roads are uneven. I was like I literally have a pool in my backyard, like it's not great for laps necessarily, but I've just been like treading water and stuff and I'm like I love this. Treading water is an amazing workout. Yeah, like I feel it in my abs, it's your whole body, it's cardio, it's strength, it's mobility Plus you don't have to worry about gravity. And I realized cause, like man, I like this, I could like do this forever. This feels great and I was like I think it's because it's the only time that I'm not fighting gravity. So not only am I like getting a fun little workout, and it's refreshing because I'm in the pool, I don't hurt, yeah, your joints are like, and I'm literally not hurting, and that's like never, even when I lay in my bed, I'm hurting. Well, I was going to say it also takes the pressure off. It's like when you're pregnant and you get in, right, yeah, yeah, it just feels amazing. So, anyway, I'll be doing more of that, all right.
Speaker 1:So the football scenes were filmed in elgin, texas, and they just hired locals love that stands as extras. Um, and then this thing I saw that had that trivia said imagine your friday night plans being hey, what would be in a james vanderbeek movie. So crazy, that's so crazy. But yeah, if you think about it, I mean now you could computerize some of that. But those stands were packed. Yeah, you probably had hundreds of people. Well, it's a small town too.
Speaker 1:So like, oh, speaking of, did you see that comment that Chris made on our on our Fast Times post? He went to Van Nuys High School, I did, and he said he remembers them filming stuff there, what? Yeah, filming stuff there, what? Yeah, that's so cool, isn't that crazy? Wow, yeah, first-hand accounts. First-hand accounts us and chris, um, oh, okay, so I told you how the whipped cream bikini is actually shaving cream.
Speaker 1:Originally it called for chocolate syrup too, like on top of it, melt off. The director scrapped it because it was too messy. Yeah, there's no way. Yeah, what are we? What are we saying? I mean and also, you're gonna get the point across you don't need the chocolate, like, no, we don't, no, we don't. Um, I already mentioned the thing about not another teen movie. They also quote the 2000. Um. In mean girls, regina george says her favorite movies varsity. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was just like a pop culture thing that I found that's fun, fun.
Speaker 1:In January 2002, mtv announced that they would produce a television series based on the film. I remember that. Yeah, but it was ultimately Scraftime. Okay, but didn't they have like a pilot episode or something? They definitely recorded it. They had Charlie Talbert as Billy Bob, so somebody different, somebody different. And, yeah, they had like different characters talbert as billy bob, so somebody different, somebody different. Um, and, yeah, they had like different characters. None of the original people in the movie were going to be in it, which is probably why it didn't work. Now, whether they aired the pilot or not, I didn't. It said it was just scrapped. That makes me think it didn't air, so why do I?
Speaker 1:It's like one of those weird things where I'm like I swear I may I had seen that, but maybe I'm just confusing it with 8,800 other football teen shows, yeah, which there are so many. There's been a lot. So you know me, I have to look into controversy around all the things and Not really anything other than what you would expect. What we talked about, yeah, right, it's rated R.
Speaker 1:Some critics thought it went glamorized drinking, underage, drinking, partying and sex A lot, drinking, underage, drinking, partying and sex. Uh, a lot of people did not like that whipped cream bikini scene. Uh, there's actually another piece, though, that I hadn't really thought about. A lot of people were upset at how it portrayed texas high school football culture, but that's for real, I know. But some people felt like varsity blues made them look corrupt and abusive. Well, but that does happen. And having a coach make players push through injuries also happens, right. So I think it's one of those things where it's like, first of all, it's a movie, it's going to be an extreme version. And, second of all, like sure, we're not saying every coach does that, but like but it does happen.
Speaker 1:Based on reality Guarantee you can Google some something based on reality guarantee you can google some something similar that happened back in the day easily. I mean, pro athletes and coaches are still getting in trouble nowadays for shit like that. Absolutely so, why would you think? Whatever people are always gonna get upset. I mean the teen drinking and stuff. Yeah, that's every teen movie I know.
Speaker 1:I know, and I mean it did seem a little excessive, because I remember watching it thinking 99, so I was almost graduated from high school, but I remember watching that thinking, oh, wow, like that's I guess what it'll be like in college, or like that being the expectation. I don't know. I was in college when this came out, and so how much of that is like young people just do behave that way, and how much of that is like young people just do behave that way, and how much of that is shaped by things like media. Here's the thing, though there is a lot of underage drinking in high school in small towns because there's nothing else to do. That's true. That's true, and I'm not saying that like, I know that, I'm just saying like, and it can become a problem, it can you know, addiction happens and really tragic accidents happen, right, uh, and I mean, I don't know, I feel like everything in this movie was, was over the top on purpose, I agree, yeah, so, like it was, it was going for shock value and it was a rated r movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. So how old? You have to be 17 to see that. I think. So, yeah, 17, so, so, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Well then, another interesting controversy do you remember this whole celebrity parents paying people to take their kids sats and write their admissions? Yeah, that was dubbed operation varsity blues. Why, I don't know, that's what the fbi called it. I don't get it. I don't get it either, but that's what that whole scandal is called so gross, isn't that weird? Even though it literally has nothing to do with the movie at all. I could see if, like, it involved an actor from the movie or something. Did it it? No, not that I can see.
Speaker 1:Well, you know that whole scandal, even though that has nothing to do with this movie, even though it was called that, but that made me so irritated? Yeah, because, number one, first of all, I hate it when people use their privilege like that. It's so selfish and so it disadvantages so many people and it's just so greedy. But also that's shitty parenting. Yeah, so many people and it's just so greedy, but also that's shitty parenting. Yeah, like I'm sorry. I don't like to judge other people's parenting because, lord knows, I got enough problems of mine in my parenting.
Speaker 1:But when you are paying some like you're basically telling your kid, number one, it's okay to lie and number two, money will buy you whatever you want, right, you can just take shortcuts and and that's not because that hurt other people that dis like we talked about on Dawson's Creek when she cheated on the PSAT they're like, oh, it's just a practice test. No, because those scores determine National Merit, scholar, right? So you are paying someone to take an SAT test for your kid who might get an amazing score and get to an amazing school and get scholarships or accolades. That take it away from the person next in line who did the work themselves, right, I know, no, I hated that too. That whole thing was, and I'm glad they got caught. Yeah, me too. And that people like villainized them for it. Like you should, they should, they totally should. And they got like in criminal trouble too. Yeah, got like in criminal trouble too. Yeah, like it wasn't just like, probably not as much as they should have, probably not, but but the public definitely turned on them. So that's all I had from a research perspective.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about the. Uh, let's talk about do you have notes on? Maybe I? You know what's funny. Yes, but I don't know if I brought the notebook. But that's okay, they're up here.
Speaker 1:Well, because I was sitting watching with my husband so I felt weird. I didn't want my phone. Yeah, I always have my notebook right next to me, so I did. I did have a notebook, but I don't think I brought it. No, okay, that's my Dawson's notebook. Oh, it's not the same. Katie has more notebooks. I just put everything in this one. Yeah, let's see, that's what I should do of this. Yeah, it kind of came up already. I mean, okay, um, all right.
Speaker 1:So we talked about the team, the team drinking. I did write down, I forgot. I read about this, about the binge drinking. Um, that I think the drinking is one thing but the binge drinking is another, like where they're playing quarters and doing shots, or the scene where billy bob's in his truck and he's just drinking a bottle of Jack. That is where I feel like, ooh, like a couple of teens having beers at a party, all right, but the binge drinking cause, that is a really big problem, especially in colleges.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but the whole puke and rally I confess on this podcast that I distinctly remember doing that all the time. Yes, ma'am, I can remember we would, and my sorority sisters were listening out there. You know we did this. Yeah, we'd be out. You wanted to keep keep going. It's too early in the night to call it a night, so you just go throw up. You can rally the worst. Look, I'm not saying that's a good choice, but it's the worst decision for your body. Do not do that. But I, a hundred percent, did that. Yeah, you remember it. Yeah, and when he puked in the washing machine, I was actually this is old me I was like that's not a terrible place. If you're going to puke, I guess no, because you just clean it up, well, but the chunks don't come out. You have to dig those out. Well, still bad then, yeah, do you want to know? Here's a. This is a horrible story, but I'm going to tell it anyway.
Speaker 1:So when I went to college I didn't know my roommate, so we got assigned roommates. I got there early cause I went through rush. She did not. She was pretty local, she only lived like 40 minutes away. Um, so we had we hadn't met yet or maybe we had met for like brief moment but the night she moved in was girls bid day, okay, or maybe it was guys bid day, I don't know. It was some like big party like on some big party at on fraternity row, okay. So I went out, and meanwhile I'd only lived in this dorm less than a week, so you're still not really used to stuff. We had communal bathrooms. We had to go all the way down the hall like to go pee and stuff, um, and so anyway, I had gone out and meanwhile she was there moving in or whatever. So I actually I don't think we had conversed at this point.
Speaker 1:So I get home at like 2 am, you know, stumble in the bed middle of the night. I wake up and I have to throw up. Okay, I knew I wouldn't be able to make it sit down the hall and I at least had the sense enough not to puke in our sink, yeah, so I thought I grabbed a trash can. Oh, you did not grab and threw up in it. What I grabbed was an empty tote, like plastic tote of mine, and threw up in that. At least it was empty. And she wakes up. We ended up being great friends, so it was fine. And she was like, um, are you okay? And I was like yeah, I'm fine. And she's like, do you need some help? I was like no, but then I had to take that thing down the hall and clean it Y'all. What a what a way to meet your roommate. I, 10 out of 10, do not recommend that. Like, oh, it's going to be a long year. Thankfully, she ended up being chill and she thought, you know, we laughed about it later. Not instantly, no, not instantly, because, yeah, oh, that's so funny.
Speaker 1:I definitely puked after I drank, but like that was it? Like if I puked, I was done. Well, that's you know, if you get to a point where your body is, that's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, what is the word I'm getting for Expelling? Expelling? Yeah, what is inside you? You need to go to bed? Yeah, stop, just stop. Like that is a huge red flag. Yeah, your body is rejecting. Knock it off, like the things you are putting in it, leave it be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think that's what I meant, more than like teens just having a beer at a party but was like the game and everyone just so drunk that that I feel like that has to shape a little bit, because it normalizes it a little. I mean, people are puking and stuff, but otherwise you're not seeing them hung over, although you did see the players hung over. Oh yeah, they were club and out in that heat. Oh, my stomach Watching them. Well, except the one guy didn't drink, one guy, but he still was out all night, right, so he was exhausted. So you're still exhausted. Yeah, like you can't play, you can't have your body operate like that, even at a young age. No, no, like, because, I mean, alcohol is poison that you're putting into your body. It can only process so much, only so much. Yes, okay, what else do I have?
Speaker 1:Okay, the football dads. I hated all of them. The toxic masculinity was everywhere. The poor little brother I loved him and the mom was just like good for you. She's like did you start yourself a cult? And then she's like that's wonderful cult. And then she's like that's wonderful, that's so cute. Yeah, starting a cult, but the dads, oh, and I mean they were supposed to be, they were supposed to be like that's, that's real, I know that's real. I hated it and like all the older dudes in that town, like they had nothing better to do but talk about high school football, and they were like at the practices. I get the dads sort of being there but like that, like the random guy and then like the sheriff's there and also, that is also accurate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that is some people's whole life and it's so funny how, um, when they were sitting there, what did I write it down? Um, I thought I wrote down the quote. Hold on, I wrote down another quote. I'll say but I wrote down another quote. I'll say, but the guy where he's like them boys having the time of their lives, yes, I'm like, if the time of your life is high school, that's pretty sad, but I think that was well written. Right, because you're supposed to feel that way. But, yeah, you're supposed to be like, oh right, because you're sort of reliving your own glory days to them instead of making your own memories.
Speaker 1:Now, whenever people say that, I just get like, if that's the peak of your life, you're doing life wrong maybe, yeah, because you shouldn't have. Like that was the greatest time of my life. You should continually have great times, right, you should have eras of great times, absolutely Like. You're going to have highs and lows. But you can't like and that's something I know, I tell my kids and even myself. Sometimes it's like look, remember when you were in that low point and then the high point happened after that. You wouldn't have gotten to that if you had just given up or if you had just um, whatever, so, like it's okay, because you're going to have more highs, right, like as you go, and more lows, Like everything's temporary. Yeah, that's true, and I just I hate it when parents live through their kids. Yeah, I hate it.
Speaker 1:I just your kids, celebrate your kids 100%. I will always support my kids, celebrate what they're doing, yeah, but what I can't stand and we see it a lot in theater and sports is people living their dreams through their kids and getting way too wrapped up in it. Yeah, and this is going to sound really cold and I don't well, I do kind of mean it. You need your own life. Yeah, 100%. You need your own life yeah, a hundred percent. You need your own life and that when I was a full-time stay at home mom and in the military world, um, that was the hardest thing for me is that I couldn't have my own like it was. Well, let me, let me change that. It was way harder to have my own things outside my kids because I had, I was constantly doing stuff for them when they were little, because Troy was not there, right? So I get it.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying like you have all this free time, but I would still want to talk about other things. And when some like when, oh God, it was like people just want to talk about their kids and what their kids were doing and this and that which is fantastic, like I do want to hear about your life, but like, have you read any books? Like, do you listen to any music? Like, have you watched any movies that weren't related? Like, can we talk about other things? Right, you need a life outside your kids and I think there's areas for that, like you mentioned. You know I have way more time. You might want to be reading the books and want to be doing the whatever, and you just can't. You know you don't have that thing, but being able to get back to it when you can. For sure, yeah, and I, yeah, I totally agree. And I think that when you said you need to have your own life, I one thing I've really been learning. You know I have three, four teenagers now, so wild my youngest.
Speaker 1:We lost our last baby tooth yesterday. So the tooth fairy came for the last time last night and that kind of hit me because I added it up. I'm like that's like a hundred times the tooth fairies come. Holy shit, they have 20 baby teeth. Look at you doing the math on teeth. I looked it up, okay, because I thought it was way more. I'm like, I'm like don't kids have like 48 to 18? They're sharks, they don't, they definitely. He's like adults have 32 and I'm like, no, they don't. Yeah, he's right, 48 teeth, it's only 20, it's only 20 for baby teeth. And then we get 32, everyone but fresh from google and my husband. But, um, I to your point when you said you should have your own life, also, kids should have their own life.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's the other part of that and I think you did a good job of that in this movie, yes, where you are trying to like like mocks. He's like I want to go to brown on an academic scholarship. I don't want to play football and I liked that he stuck with that. I thought that was a good choice, because a lot of times at the end of the movie you're like yeah, oh, and then they become a big star. And he was like that was the last time I played and we had that game and that victory and that team, and that is amazing on its own. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I feel that you know. So, anyway, yeah, I'm with that, um, okay.
Speaker 1:So when they're um in the, I can't stop laughing about it because I'm just picturing the man saying it. I laugh so hard when the two guys are at the bar and they're talking about tweeter going around town causing a ruckus and he goes. They went and put their whiners on the glass of the alanis club or the alanis club, whatever they said. Oh my, their whiners were on the glass. And then the other one's like, oh, no, now that's just too far. Yeah, now that's just too far. Whiners on the glass yeah, I loved that scene. That was really funny. I loved those two actors. I know I was very entertained by them. Oh, I can't't. That was really funny.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think, right, hold on, yeah, the strip club scene, um, oh, I put, why do the parents look so old in these older movies, did they? I have to think about it, I mean, I guess. I mean they're like supposed to be our age, yeah, although, shit, do we look like that? Maybe we do, maybe we do, danny I? Oh, facts, I mean the mom, yeah, and the dads too, they did. They looked super old, but that's like dawson's parents look old, like the poor mom's haircut is terrible, like I feel like now, parents, we don't look as old. Okay, all right, I think maybe I just need a reality check so I might go right on our youtube uh, y'all look old, af, get out of here. You look older than dawson's mom in 1998. Yeah, I mean seriously. Uh, I think I wrote hold on parents in the old, that's it. That's all I got, that's it. Yeah, I mean overall, what? Okay?
Speaker 1:So what star rating would you give it? I mean, just, I take away a little, just because it's about sports and bleh, I'd give it four, four and a half, maybe. I think like a four, yeah, four and a half. And again, this is one I watched with someone else and it's better. It's better. It's very enjoyable and it was great because I wasn't watching it late in the day, when my brain is done, but I wasn't watching it at 4 am, so 10 am might be the sweet spot for my movie watching.
Speaker 1:I should start watching dawson's then and look, any of the scary movies that we're about to watch I may be watching in broad daylight with someone else, because I'll be too scared. You can't do that with scary movies, I can't. You got to do it in the dark. How about like 4 am dark or like no, no, no, no, no, it's gotta be night time. You better take a nap that day. You better rest up so you can watch Lost Boys, although it's not that I mean, it's creepy. But Okay, listen, all right, I can do it. Scary movies, I feel good about it. I can't wait.
Speaker 1:Oh, by the way, we are going to start spooky season. We have so many things. We got to refine it a bit. We have said 80, 100 times about a bunch of different scary movies. Oh, we need to watch that in October. So we're just going to start early and we don't just want to watch movies, we want to do other stuff too. Other stuff too. So we're going to have kind of like, maybe sort of like we did for Zennial Girl Summer not books necessarily, but rotate movies with other stuff, because now I'm starting to read some other books and I don't have time to break that up. Yeah, you have time for reading. I got strategy. Okay, we'll bring the books back a different time. No, I mean, I'm reading. I just started Sunrise on the Reaping and then I think I'm going to go back and read all the Hunger Games again. Nice, I think. So that's a good idea.
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