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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek, S3 E19: Spring Break Trips to Aunt Gwen
The Capeside crew is off on a spring break trip -- but only to Dawson's Aunt Gwen's house (played by Julie Bowen). Will Pacey and Joey finally admit their feelings to each other, and to everyone else? Join us as we re-watch Dawson's Creek, Season 3, on Hulu or Amazon Prime.
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Welcome back generation in between. We are here on our nostalgic or problematic series where we are rewatching Dawson's Creek. We are on season three and we are at the end, and finally some shit's getting good yes, really good. This episode is called Stolen Kisses and here's the summary A spring break trip to see Dawson's aunt brings Pacey and Joey ever closer. Andy falls for Pacey's old friend, while Jen is jealous when another woman pursues Henry. Wow, that was a long description, I know, but a lot of things happened. The next episode description is way short. Oh, by the way, we're only doing one episode today because Katie couldn't get the second one in. Yeah, so that's okay. One today, and then we'll be back on track for two, and that's fine, cause then we should have two more of our episodes to cover the last four of the season. Yeah, so that'd be perfect, and then we'll see what happens after that. We'll see how we feel.
Speaker 1:Awesome, okay, so so, first of all, why are there so many new characters in this? Oh my God, I said that too. I was like we have like a random fucking ads, then this random friend that shows up out of nowhere, then Megan Gail and Mitch's friend whose husband died, and what that was so weird. Like that was random. It was oh, and then Shelly. And then isn't that the main cheerleader, girl Shelly? Yeah, I don't. Wasn't she one of the main cheerleaders? Maybe, but then they make a comment about how she likes younger men. Yeah, but isn't she in high school? I didn't look at it. I could have easily looked it up, I just didn't. I thought she was new. Maybe she's not. I think she was one of the cheerleaders, at least like a background. I thought she may have been the main rude one. So Four characters right there that were like totally new to this episode, that's so many, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the Will guy's name was Krudski. I mean, I guess that was to set up the joke where Pacey called him I don't even remember what but Kruddy Krusty, I don't know whatever he called him, but I was like what a name. It's just so many new things. It's just like it's unnecessary. Yeah, so many new. It's just like it's unnecessary. Yeah, because like his fucking random aunt gwen, nothing to do with the story, no, but julie bowen, love her, oh yeah, love, love, love. But yeah, but then like the random friend, why are we throwing more characters and we just had another random character leave. I know it's weird, it was a lot, and this is throughout the episode. But so Jen's a.
Speaker 1:Is Jen a hostess or a manager or what's going on? She's a hostess but she doesn't do a lot of hosting. She's like sitting there and then she's like telling people what stations to go to and stuff, and I was like what is her job actually? Like, I was so confused by that. But anyway, that's another story. Uh, no, it's not. It's actually this story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so let's start at the beginning. They're about to go to aunt gwen's house. Andy comes up and those cargo jeans yes, and that little top. Can we talk about how much I hate any kind of cargo pant? Oh, you don't like cargo pants. Oh, I hate them so much. No wonder you hate dawson's style, I know.
Speaker 1:But also people are starting to wear cargo shorts and stuff again. Have you seen them? I have. I hate them.
Speaker 1:And I say this because Troy, my husband, which I'll know by now, took Cooper back to school shopping this year, because it's always a fight with Cooper, it's like just always it's drama. So after last summer, troy was like that's it, next year I'll take him. I was like fine, cool, I will pass that. I was like fine, cool, I will pass that. Yes, let's go. And of course it went fine. Of course, like I don't know, it was like what's the big deal? Yeah, they were done and half the time than it took us before there were some flops around along the way, he got the wrong size on a few things. So anyway, yeah, other than that, cooper Cooper came home with some cargo shorts and I he comes walking out and he he was going to meet a little friend at the mall and he has like loaded down because he put his wallet, his phone and then his like Invisalign case and he's like I love these pants.
Speaker 1:I mean, they're supposed to be functional, I know, but they look so dumb. Not everybody uses them that way. I think they're supposed to be functional, I know, but they look so dumb. Now, not everybody uses them that way, I think. But Listen, no offense to y'all If you choose cargo pants as a fashion choice. They just bother me, they're just bulky, they are bulky, they are bulky. You like a cargo short, I don't mind them. I don't think my husband has any. I've never seen you wear them. No, but they don't bother me. Oh, they bother me so much. They're just so bulky. I don't like clothes that look bulky. Does that make sense? That's fair. No, that's totally fair. I oversize them. Okay with you would look silly in cargo shorts. I should put some on. I'm going to go to a way.
Speaker 1:Back in the day when I was involved in church I you won't believe this I used to work in kids ministry too. Jeez, it was like. It was like middle school age, like upper elementary, middle school, which I let once kids get to. About middle school, I'm good with them, it's the younger ones, but anyway, I was like I think it was like fourth, fifth and sixth graders, okay, anyway, one night they have. They would have theme nights sometimes, yeah, and it was come dressed as your favorite teacher at whatever, I don't remember what it was called. It was like a Wednesday, it was a Wednesday night, yeah, whatever, of course.
Speaker 1:So there was four of us that work together and one of them was like a young guy, like in his twenties or something, and he would always wear cargo shorts and like a t-shirt with like a something underneath it and at like a backwards hat, and he had a goatee. So that's who I dressed up like. I did a goatee. Oh, my god, the cargo shorts. I love the backwards hat. I pinned all my hair up underneath. It was hilarious, in fact. When the other, an older man, worked with us and he walked in and he was wondering who I was, he was like who is this new teacher? Until I started talking, he's like oh, I recognize that.
Speaker 1:When we're done, I will show you a picture of me in cargo shorts. Okay, I would love to see that. And, listeners, I know you would love to see it too, so you might have to share it out. All right, so no cargo shorts for you. I wouldn't say I'm like, I like love them. They just don't bother me. They bother me a lot. Yeah, they do, I can see that. No, I don't know why, it's okay and I just I get it.
Speaker 1:I get the whole point, like my friend Sarah who is going. Well, we know so many Sarah's. Actually, this is I know we have two friends named Sarah going to the Gaga concert. Yes, not the one, not Sarah F. This is my friend Sarah H. Okay, you know her, sarah H. Yeah, I know her. She got these really cute black cargo pants to wear to Gaga.
Speaker 1:She's like I don't want to have to worry about bringing a thing. Smart Makes sense, but cargo pants still get on my nerves. Okay, so I I would not make that choice. I'd be like, well, I'm just going to have to figure it out by wearing something different. It's so, it's so challenging, well, cause I think you can't bring bags and stuff in. Oh yeah, I guess that makes sense. So I would rather shove my crap in my bra or something than wear cargo pants Like that's. That's how extreme I have an issue. Well, now I have to wear cargo pants. I feel like I did wear them back in the day, though I did.
Speaker 1:I always think it's funny that jeans not just cargo pants, but like jeans in general have that hammer, um that piece of fabric for you to put your hammer. Now, that's funny because that's so specific, so like literally needing to carry a hammer. Well, those are carpenter jeans, carpenter jeans. Those can be on cargo. Well, maybe not. I guess those are different, those are different, those are different, but that always cracks me up. I know it doesn't bother me, but I'm just like do you have a pair with a hammer? I think I just got a pair from wearer. In fact, this pair that I got I love. So I'm just going to go online and get some different colors in the size that I got.
Speaker 1:Oh, I do that with shoes. Yeah, I was like I really like these. I'm going to get more. And also, because I'm tall and they were like higher waisted. So sometimes higher waisted because I'm tall, they don't aren't long enough, like they're fine, fine, but not quite. These are like past my ankles, like they're the great length, high-waisted, like bigger, like baggier legs. Okay, like not tight legs. I love them. I'm gonna get more.
Speaker 1:I don't wear a lot of jeans because it's so hard for me to find jeans. That's fair. It's like bathing suits. I cannot find shit. And it's my the opposite problem. Yeah, so I hate it. And like if you get your jeans hemmed, they look dumb, like I have yet to, and I've gotten millions of pairs of jeans hemmed and they don't look right. Yeah, they just it's not the same. Yeah, I get that. So, all right, well, there we go. Fashion, fashion, uh, what a fashion phobias. Phobias, that's you. That's what I was gonna say, that's what you had. Um, okay, so we're in the restaurant, we're not.
Speaker 1:I just said like Jen worked there, apparently, henry also, and now we've got Shelly, who may or may not be a cheerleader I think she was and immediately she goes into this whole diatribe about Henry that I'm like no young woman would say all this. And also why didn't Jen just say that's my boyfriend would say all this, and also why didn't jen just say that's my boyfriend? Okay, the whole the whole time I was wondering that eventually she does. I wrote down jen and henry. Writing is especially bad, this episode so bad. That whole thing is just so. Shelly's like oh, look at that little slice of pie and I want to. I mean to be fair, he's adorable.
Speaker 1:Girls may talk like that, but it just was. It just it was so much it just didn't seem believable. And then for jen to just not say anything, that was weird. I'd be like, yeah, he is hot, that's my boyfriend. Well, and also like at the, at the end, where she does confront her, she's like why didn't you just tell me yeah? And then, like if I was henry, I'd be kind of pissed like, yeah, yeah, why didn't you just say yeah, hello, whatever. That was weird.
Speaker 1:Um, oh, and speaking of boys and girls, what was the whole shared bed thing business? That was strange. Okay, like, first of all, you have all these teenagers and all of them are automatically on the floor. You know somebody would like I claim the bed. Yeah, and there's just a whole bed by itself and a fireplace conveniently for pacey and, uh, joey. The whole scene with the fireplace where, like, everyone's asleep but pacey and joey and they, like both, are in that room chatting. And I know you don't like this movie, but it gave white christmas. There's a scene in white christmas where ben crosby's already awake, in by the fireplace and in comes rosemary clooney and they have like liverwurst sandwiches and then they sing um, count your blessings.
Speaker 1:I hate that movie, I know you do, but I love it so much, I know you do, but I was watching it. I was like, oh, this is kind of like that scene, except then they go back to their own bedrooms and these two figure couldn't figure out how to. And and also, if you're Joey and Pacey and you're trying to hold up appearances that there's nothing going on between you, you would just get in bed, right, because she slept at Dawson's even before everything. So them making a big deal about it made it more, but everyone was like half asleep so they weren't really paying attention, but still, I just thought that was so dumb because, you know, ain't nobody trying to sleep on no floor? No, and then okay, so then ann quinn, julie bowen. So I looked it up because I, I was trying to remember where happy gilmore happened, because she was in that movie. Yeah, it was 96, so this was post happy gilmore, so she would have been relatively famous from that. Yeah, she does, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, obviously, modern family was after that, I think 2009. I looked it up so it was after this, but I mean, I, I didn't mind her as a character. Oh, my god, the painting of joey and dawson. I was screaming and then it came back again at the end.
Speaker 1:I was like, who is doing the art for this show? Who is it? And I know that one particularly was supposed to be oh, you made this when they made it when they were younger, right? Or did Aunt Gwen paint it? No, she painted it. Aunt Gwen painted it. Yeah, it was terrible, horrendous. I know it literally was. I was like what is this? It literally was Like and she's supposed to be some artist or whatever, and I just couldn't, I just couldn't do it. It was not good, yeah, and I don't know, I thought it was just so. Oh, let's make her be this arty aunt, like everything was just so A little cliche. And she lives somewhere else and we go visit her and it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1:And then she's like there's not much to do in my podunk town, but there's a great pool hall. Excuse me, she said there's not much to do here. There's no monster truck shows. Have you been to a monster truck show? No, but I bet they're really fun. Okay, I have been to one. Oh, she said there's no multiplex, no monster truck show. I've been to one. And oh, she said there's no multiplex, no monster truck show. I've been to one and it was a good time. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1:But, like, of all the things in the world, like, is that an average thing that a city would have for teenagers to do? I'm so confused I don't know. But the pool hall yeah, that was funny. She's like going down to the pool hall, yeah, kiddos, yeah, yeah. And then right away, the, the will krudsky, um, andy seems to be interested in him. And then they go to the pool hall and she realizes he's like a hustler. Yeah, like as much as you can be as a teenage boy but pacey and him hustle some people. And then, um, I just wrote down that andy said will is a shark or whatever, and and I was just like, oh my goodness, god bless, I can't, god bless, I mean, I don't know this episode was Okay.
Speaker 1:But I did say, and I looked it up, dawson is especially in this episode and I think some of it was the cinematography. He's looking very Varsity Blues like, very heartthrob like, and that was released january 15th 1999, the same year. So he's probably filming at the same time. There's our episode for next week varsity blues. Maybe we should watch that because it's perfect time, it's because and and it's when we're watching him on here in the same time frame, perfect.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're doing. I'm gonna watch it tomorrow night. Okay, sounds good. Maybe friday night, friday night lights. Hey, I know it's our last night as a family. Don't watch it tomorrow night. Cooper has rehearsal though, so he's gonna be gone. So do do whatever caden wants to do. He'll probably be at your house. So come to my house and we'll watch farsity blues. Honestly, what he literally I'm home tomorrow night, oh, you are. Or he comes to my house, I come to your house, oh yeah, or that we'll do a swap. We'll do a swap.
Speaker 1:But, um, I was looking at him and I was like he's looking very heartthrobby, yes days. Like his hair, his body, his face was very chiseled. Well, he was probably like lifting a lot because he was in really good shapes during varsity blues. Yeah, except his hair was not blonde in varsity blues, that's true. I wonder how they worked around that. I wonder too. Maybe I'll look it up for when we re-watch the varsity blues, like like the time frame that things were filming, because I wonder if they did that on purpose, because they didn't want everybody to think, oh, there's dawson playing football. Oh, I'm sure, because that blonde hair is very wrecked.
Speaker 1:I, he's still incredibly recognizable, but probably just to make him not be Dawson in the movie. You know what line that we say in my house all the time from that movie what? No, I don't want your life. Oh, because he tells his dad that, yeah, he does. Oh, my gosh, god bless. I love James Van Der Beek.
Speaker 1:I just watched I don't think I shared it with you, but I watched a video of him from New York City. Oh, I'll send it to you. And he's doing well, by the way. Yeah, and he looked great. He looked thin, you know, when you're going through treatments and stuff, that makes sense, but he did look really good. Yeah, and it was based. I'm going to send it to you. It's like three or four minutes long and it basically was him like a love letter to New York city, cause he's there for some reason doing something, he's filming something or for treatment or what, but he was basically just talking about coming there as a kid and um, wanting to be on Broadway and he was, and he was uh huh, yeah, yeah, he was, yeah, yeah, so and just how, um, it was basically like a little love letter to new york city, cute and how I don't know. I'll send it to you. It's really really good and, knowing all he's going through, like, it was like, yeah, wow, you know, it was just really sweet.
Speaker 1:I like him as a person and I like him as an actor. I just don't like dawson. I know I get that. I totally get that. Okay, all right, now that we got that. Oh, I just said I already told you this. Are you kidding me? I like him as an actor. I just don't like Dawson. I know, I get that. I totally get that. Okay, all right, now that we've got that? Oh, I just said I already told you this. Are you kidding me with the painting of Dawson and Joey? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Get out of here? Oh, and then I said Shelly offered Henry sex and then Jen says I guess, okay. So let me tell you a funny. So when jen finally, like, confronts her, yeah, it reminded me of a time I had to collect a girl, um, who was throwing herself not only at the guy I was dating, but his friends who were dating my friends in college.
Speaker 1:Was she drunk? Well, this was like all the time. Oh, it wasn't like one night. And there there was one night. So I had this group of girlfriends who are my sorority sisters and we were all dating people in this one fraternity at the time. Okay, as happens, friends dating friends, so cliche. But it happened. And there was this girl we were talking about. She was not in our friend group. This girl was up at the fraternity house one night without I don't know what was happening, but she decided to give lap dances. Oh, to the thong song. Stop this is, it's going to get better. Oh, my gosh, to all these boys who had girlfriends. Yeah, so that happened one night.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, the guy I was dating, who was a dick at the time I hope he's not now, I don't know, but anyway didn't tell me so we all go out the next night, cause it was like you know, there's like one night a week, like a Wednesday, when everybody goes out and I show up and all my girlfriends come from there, cause this was before texting guys and they were like oh my God, danny, we have to tell you what so-and-so did. And I was like is she coming here tonight? And they're like yep, and I was like cool, I waited at the door for this bitch, I swear to God, waited for her, damn, as soon as she walks in. And I was smoking this is when I used to smoke I put did a hole, put my cigarette out, walked over and I said let me tell you something. That's how I started off the conversation. You don't want to see danny coming and saying, I said and I'm sure I'd already had like a couple beers by this point I was like let me tell you something.
Speaker 1:Not only do you need to step off, and I said I know what you did. And I said you need to step off and I said I know what you did. And I said you need to back the fuck up. Oh yeah, there's students out there. Sorry, I was like, not just from my boyfriend, but from all these other people, cause I'm telling you, if you do that again, I'm coming for you Now. Granted, guys, I've never I've been in one fight pulled old hair. Yes, but I can be really mean and believable, but you're not actually gonna do it. No, right, she didn't know that. No, she didn't know that. And she was like I don't want your boyfriend blah, blah, blah. And I was like I'm just telling you, watch out. Oh, I said I'm just telling you. And so all night I was giving her dirty eyes, dirty eyes. She thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 1:Anyway, fast forward to I don't know what ended up happening, because I don't remember. Because me and the boyfriend broke up at some point, you guys broke up, and but I listen, if somebody is taken back up, like just don't do it. Well, yeah, just in general, it was disrespectful to yourself, to them, to everybody. It's gross. Yeah, back away, admire from afar. From afar, see, I love it. Good advice, it's like. It's like, uh, like my castmate said, when we were talking about this, I said you can look, but you can't touch. Yes, you can look all you want. You got eyes. Yeah, you just yeah, gotta stay, gotta stay back. I tell you, if that happened nowadays, though, I probably would throw hands. You probably would Like this 22 years, you better step off. Yeah, Well, I don't think that's going to happen. You never know. That's a fraternity house. Well, you never know. You never know. Listen, never say never.
Speaker 1:Weird stuff happens in life, like you never know. That's true. Just because it hasn't doesn't mean Correct. You don't know. And we get an old, sometimes crazy stuff can still happen. I mean, there's some. Well, you're ready If it does. And look, I'm a lot stronger now. So I think I can probably hurt somebody better than I could then, that's true. So, okay, I don't know how to, but I figure it out. Get the muscles going, know how to properly hit somebody, but exactly figure it out, oh, my god.
Speaker 1:Anyway, anyway, that's my story. Do you have a story like that? No, I don't. I told you the one about when someone got out of stoplight and threatened to beat me up. It's a little different. That was someone stated to me but are we using girl giving the lap dance in a fraternity house. No, oh God, no, I was less self-conscious then, but still too self-conscious for any of that. I don't know. I used to like dance on tables at bars and stuff Look at you, that's another one and I fell off one foot. I just remembered that, oh, oh boy, okay.
Speaker 1:So the karaoke machine first of all, which I thought was funny because that was first like I feel like that was when karaoke machines started being like really popular, like at your house, yeah, yeah, your house, and that was cute, and every song they sang was like from like the 60s or something. They were all really old, like louis louis. You had to like buy the cds and they only had like certain things. True, that's probably why I loved when pacey was singing wild thing. Oh my god, so cute, so good, that was really good. Um, okay.
Speaker 1:So then we kind of already talked about then when all that's done and they are going to bed and the bed's open, but then the next day when joe, well, first of all the aunt catches joey and casey kissing, yeah, but, and then she says it's none of my business, but you should tell dawson. You just like, is it none of your business or what. The aunt says, this anyway. Um, when they're talking about the bed later, joey's like yeah, I know what I'm talking about. She's like I felt it and I'm like, oh my god, I know same. She's like your arm, your arm, me.
Speaker 1:And then, even then it was still kind of weird. She's like, and it was just like swelling up inside me and did you feel it? And I was just like what is happening in this scene? It was really crazy. I said Joey felt what? Lol, his arm. Okay, that's all I know. His arm, his arm, yeah, I felt your arm. So so they kiss, but then they kiss again.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it was just a lot of back and forth, but I did like what Pacey was saying when he's like I'm not, I'm not going to kiss you anymore. Oh yeah, that whole part where he was like because you have to make the initiative, because I keep, which I sort of get the whole thing's kind of complicated. The build up at the end, though, was like ah, and then the kiss at the very end, very end. It happened, it did. And then the next episode. I'm sad you didn't watch it, but we'll get to. It Would have been a good segue, but that's OK, because we'll segue for this time. Yeah, so hopefully the last four episodes are pretty famous.
Speaker 1:Don't have anything else. I don't have anything else. What do you have on this one? Nothing else. No, that was it. I just put the kiss, yeah, and then, well, I didn't write this down, but there is that whole part where, um, jen and henry when jen's like crying, oh yeah, jealousy, but like she was jealous of joey and dawson, I know, so that was weird.
Speaker 1:She's like, I'm not used to this feeling, I know what's. I'm like, literally, your last relationship, or the one before it or whatever it's been Like you were also very jealous, yeah, so are we supposed to believe this is the first time you've ever been jealous, right, ever, right? Also, why didn't you just say and even Shelly, she's like, why didn't you tell me she's like, well, I know, because he's my boyfriend and you better back off. And Shelly's like, literally without hesitation, why didn't you tell me yeah, or Henry, yeah, which is sitting on? You'd be like I'm dating Jen, hello, well, he did tell her I had a girlfriend. Yeah, that's true, but yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1:It was bad, bad writing, bad. Get out of here, shelly. That whole thing was bad, but okay. So four more episodes, four more. We got this. Okay, I'm excited and hopefully Varsity Blue's watching, so that's good. If you guys are listening in real time as we're posting these, they all kind of go together. Well, the thing is too. Katie was like, oh, we're kind of like re-watching out, but like, those are the episodes I feel like people really like is because we rewatch movies and they also watch them, have watched them, correct, and with football season coming, it works Like. I feel like when we rewatch movies, a lot of people enjoy that because they remember them too, even if they haven't rewatched it. What a lot of people have told me is they will listen to our episode and then go rewatch it because it makes them want to watch it. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. I would feel the same way. So awesome, all right. Well, thanks guys for tuning in to Nostalgic or Problematic and we'll see you next time. Bye.
