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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial Girl Summer: Danielle Steele's Kaleidoscope
Welcome back to our Xennial Girl Summer Book Club where we discuss Kaleidoscope by Danielle Steele. Are you a Danielle Steele fan, or was this book just not it for you? Find out which one of us aligns with each.
Book Summary: A trio of sisters separated in childhood by unthinkable tragedy are reunited as adults through the determined efforts of a private investigator. This powerful exploration of trauma, identity, and healing weaves through the divergent life paths of three women who share the same blood but grew up worlds apart.
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Hello everyone and welcome to Generation Inbetween. That was a very excited welcome you were. You're really overcompensating, I think I know. Welcome to Generation Inbetween, a Zennial podcast where we remember, revisit I forgot what we did for a second. We redo a lot of things and sometimes relearn and redo things from being 80s kids and 90s teens. This episode is part of our Zennio Girls Summer where we are rereading books from the 80s and 90s. Mostly, I think they're all the 80s. Yeah, I think they are all 80s and then watch and rewatching movies.
Speaker 1:So we're one of our book episodes and this is going to be. This was.
Speaker 2:This was a Katie's pick because she loved this author and the which, when we tell you the author, danielle Steele, it's not like, automatically you would associate that with a childhood author.
Speaker 2:And also if you've been listening at all, or even if you're new. Um, I grew up in a pretty conservative home, except for books, okay. So they were like I couldn't watch a lot of tv, I couldn't listen to a lot of music, but I could read anything I could get my hands on. I kind of love that though. Yeah, and my mom read these books, so they were on our like people give them to her for Christmas and stuff, so they would sit on our bookshelf when she was done.
Speaker 1:So I just read them. I mean, I can't judge because I read Stephen King when I was right, right.
Speaker 2:And I think part of the reason I didn't read Stephen King is because my parents didn't. So I didn't like have access at home to it necessarily and it wasn't like what I picked out at the library. But if they would have, I probably would have.
Speaker 1:I love that. I I'm kind of like that with my kids with books, uh, because they are advanced readers. You probably were too, oh yeah, so it's just. I mean, in today's day and age, everyone, there's lots worse things than reading about something in a book. I agree, right, yeah, back then we didn't have those options. Look, I tried to have my hair down. I'm too hot, I'm sweating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when did you do that? I'm sweating. Her hair was down when we hit record and now it's up. I'm hot. What happened I?
Speaker 1:guys. Speaking of Xeniel. We're in midlife, so hormones are wild. It is summer in Florida. And I just see Katie in a sweatshirt and I start sweating. Yeah, so like.
Speaker 2:I. It's funny because if you're watching on the YouTube or on social, Danny has on this kind of dark purple tank top and I almost wore the exact same one.
Speaker 1:Similar to yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like, it's like a wine purple, and then I remember, like when I sit down, I just didn't want like all my like rolls to bubble up.
Speaker 2:I feel that so I threw on a giant sweatshirt. So here I am, but you like a sweatshirt because it's like a whoopee. It's like. It's like a whoopee, like I feel like I could. It's our podcast, but I feel like I can't wear a snuggie or a blanket or hold a pillow. Maybe I'll just start, then I can wear short sleeves and hold a pillow do what you need yeah, I think I might do like I try to have my hair down.
Speaker 1:I just I'm so hot, plus into it my hair. Right now, guys, at the hair saga of somebody who's trying to grow out their hair, it is at such an annoying stage because it's like right at my like what do you call this Collarbone area and like right above it so it like won't lay straight, it like flips out. It's annoying and it's like in my face and I'm hot and so it sticks to my face. It's just a thing. Once it gets, it's not going to get that long, but once it gets longer it'll feel better. Or once I get to the point where I can't stand the seam more and cut it all off again, because that's probably where I'm going, I need a haircut.
Speaker 2:That's partially why mine's braided, because I've been noticing that when I, even if I do my hair right now, the ends are just so fried but like I don't know, I don't go back to school like my kids do. But I don't, but I'm always summer hair, I'll get it cut for back to school. Maybe it's because I'm taking them Well and I'm like I'll just go to. I don't know. That's hilarious Also you don't get haircut often. No, I think that was the last time when I had bangs. That's wild.
Speaker 1:I might have gone one other time See if you colored your hair you would have to get it like me If you are blessed with so many white hairs. One of our friends we had dinner with last week, last weekend, and she was saying guys, I think it's time for me to dye my hair for the first time in my life. I'm like bitch, please.
Speaker 2:First time.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've dyed my hair I know, I know you don't have to maintenance diet, not to maintenance diet for grays.
Speaker 2:Yet if I, if I even do it, then I guess we'll see because, like, maybe I just want you probably won't want to, because it is a lot of maintenance I know you hate that I hate it. I hate it so much, I can't even hate looking old more. Well, that's the thing, I guess I'll have to find the balance. Yeah, you have to see, because you got to see, I'll have to find the balance.
Speaker 1:You're going to have to see if you're a person who can pull it off or not. True, because some people can and they don't look older. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, they might look their like me. It ages you at least 15 years. I'll show you pictures. It was not good. I wonder if it's because you're small, build too.
Speaker 2:No, I'm serious. Like when you think about aging, you think about like frailty and things like that, don't you?
Speaker 1:Wow, thanks. Small people are not fragile.
Speaker 2:I know. No, all the small people are coming for me. Listen, I can beat some people up, don't you?
Speaker 1:I know you can, I'm just wondering no, your dog has not taught you Be scared of things in small packages.
Speaker 2:Oh, my dog has taught me, I forgot for a second.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it is, it's just. I think it's just because my hair naturally is so dark and I am pale and you're not pale, so that probably will help you.
Speaker 1:I just looked bad. And I don't think I look bad with short hair. Like I think short hair I can do short, like some people feel like they don't look. I feel comfortable with short hair. So it wasn't the shortness of my hair that bothered me, it was the color. Okay, I hated it. Well, that's fair, but anyway, you tried it.
Speaker 2:That was a whole long talk about hair, to say why my hair did not make it Whatever. My hair did not make it and I'm in a sweatshirt shirt, but look, and I'm so hot, like coming soon coming soon a lap pillow, okay, it'll be here and I'll have.
Speaker 1:I'll be wearing a fan, a neck fan and a lap pillow.
Speaker 2:Oh, if you're not watching on youtube yet, you better get on that train because you don't want to miss these listen okay, did you look up the we don't care club lady?
Speaker 1:yes, she hilarious, she is the best, she's so good. I need to add that we don't care if we're wearing a fan on our neck because we are hot. Yes, we don't care what you think. We don't care if you think we're weird for holding the pillow in our lap. It is comfy.
Speaker 2:It is comfy and we love it, and we have to be comfy to be ourselves comfy to be ourselves. See that was. I should put that on a t-shirt Deep thoughts, but I won't wear the t-shirt.
Speaker 1:How about a sweatshirt? I'll put it on a sweatshirt. I think, too part of you, that's your Midwest roots that you just can't let go of. Yeah, probably Because you do wear sweatshirts here on in the Midwest. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. And summertime nights are chilly, yeah, they are.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, moving on to our book. Okay, no more delays. Yes, so this is a book edition of Xenial Girl Summer. Yes, and we are discussing the blockbuster worldwide hit Kaleidoscope by Danielle Steele. Do they call books blockbusters?
Speaker 1:I do. I don't think so. No, I just think they say bestseller. Oh, I have heard that before. Okay, blockbusters movies.
Speaker 2:There was a TV movie of this one. Oh, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to hear the research. So first I got to tell you and if you're on YouTube I'm going to show you. So when I ordered these books, I ordered from Thrift Books. They are not a sponsor, but if they would like to sponsor us, please do. Um, and you can. I think I said this on the last one. You can pick like the quality of the book you want, right, but I wanted like an OG one, and so there's like mold on the pages, awesome like that's. But this is like a grocery store paperback. Yeah, for those of y'all who were not alive during this time, my grandma would always buy she probably read this the grocery store paperbacks. They're all about this size, little bitty, little bitty books. They'd be by the register on like a tourney, tourney thing, and anyway there's mold on the back and and a very beautiful glamour shot of miss danielle steel with actually that's what my hair looks like these days.
Speaker 2:It's back the, the photo is backlit and she's got.
Speaker 1:You need backlighting, hold on, that's the problem I bet I could make my hair do that. I bet you could. Okay, we'll do.
Speaker 2:Actually, you kind of look like Danielle Steele.
Speaker 1:I mean she's pretty, I'll take it you actually do Wait, hold on, is it the same? It's not the same, but we tried.
Speaker 2:Y'all need to go to youtube and see that dumb clip.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I had to get this one and it, it, and then there I spilled something on the page I was gonna say was that you or did it? No, it came with the mold on the back and then I spilled something on the pages, so it's extra loved or hated because used. Okay, so let's just. But let's get into it, okay, all right, sounds good.
Speaker 2:I researched this one, since it was my pick and, to be fair, I have not read this since I was a teenager, but I remembered it when we went thrifting and they had that whole Danielle Steele section at that bookstore At the beach side, one, yes, and I didn't buy this one.
Speaker 2:I think I bought Family Ties, which is another really really popular one of hers. But for some reason I was like, oh yeah, I remember reading Kaleidoscope when I was like probably 12, maybe 13. Not really. And then once I started reading, I was like okay, kind of. And then, as I just kept going, and then I listened to some of it on audio which spoiler alert, not read by anyone, anyone famous. It was a very old like recording.
Speaker 1:I couldn't it's not on audible could you hear my favorite one I? I don't remember what I listened to not too long ago, but like I could hear them turning the pages yes yes, I love that.
Speaker 2:I love that. Older ones, it's fun, yeah, it's fun, okay. Well, let's get started first with dan Steele. Okay, okay, is that her real name? Her full name is Danielle Fernandez Dominique Shulene Steele. Wow, yes, and she was born in 1947 in New York City. Okay, so, in addition to this book Kaleidoscope, some of her other really famous ones the Promise Jewels, the Gift Safe Harbor Family Ties. So she was born to a German father and a Portuguese American mother in New York City, as I said, and she spent part of her childhood in both France and the US. She was fluent in French her whole life and I guess she was shy.
Speaker 1:She loved to read, so the French stuff in here makes sense. Yes, okay, how like.
Speaker 2:There's like randomly a character that lives in paris or or well well, she was french. Yeah, yeah, mom was french, exactly, uh, but she was kind of shy and so she often, like, took solace in books like shy and non-shy people do, I guess and she began writing like stories stories when she was teenager. She had finished her first manuscript when she was 19, as did we well, not a manuscript, but we wrote we did.
Speaker 2:I saw her you were a published poet. I totally was. I'm still not a published author, unless you count the stuff I just published myself. I know it's coming, coming, stay tuned. So she studied at nyu, new york university and the parson school of design. Hey, any relation? No, okay, I wish, like hello, let us in that. That's a really prestigious school.
Speaker 1:Give me some of that money.
Speaker 2:She considered a career in fashion, but then she decided to become a writer full time.
Speaker 2:As evident with this glamorous shot, I mean hello, hello, danielle, on the back of the book, so good. So she has been married five times. Ooh, guess how many children she has. Times, oh, guess how many children she has. Zero, did not know this. More than that. 10, little less than that. Five, nine, oh nine biological children, which I guess you can afford if you're, but your body can't, like I. Oh my gosh, and the amount of things she's written. I'm like did you have a staff of nanny? She did. Yeah, she probably did she had help there's.
Speaker 1:I mean to write as much as she has. Yeah, yeah, she had help, but also maybe her husband did a lot of the caretaking one of the five, one of or or all five. Maybe that's why she had five. I'm tired of this shit.
Speaker 2:There's too many kids, oh I thought you meant because then she could have five babysitters. Oh, oh, like, not babysitters, but five people. Dads aren't babysitters. I take it back. Take it back Five people to care for the children, instead of just one.
Speaker 1:Well, she probably had help. But like I'm just sitting here thinking, like I think of people with that many kids, like having two children, three pregnancies and two children that were brought into this earth seas and two children that were brought into this earth, my body is wrecked on the inside and some on the outside. Some you can see, some you can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I cannot imagine, although some people's bodies recover way better than others. Yeah, that's true, mine doesn't. Like this body is not made to give birth like I. If I would have given birth in colonial times, I'd been dead and, yeah, you'd be well. No, I would. I had to have c-sections. Babies do not come out. Oh, yeah, kate and my survived, but I'd be dead right.
Speaker 2:So one way or the other, and there'd be no Cooper, then in that case, correct. Oh, that's sad, I know.
Speaker 1:I'm like I would be actually I probably would have been dead way before that because I had all this other stuff that happened.
Speaker 2:I love how like I said, it was sad that Cooper wouldn't be here after you said you would be dead.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Thanks for that I'm like oh, I didn't even pick up on that, I meant all of it. I just happened to say it after the Cooper thing, but I mean you gave birth naturally, right, I did All three times.
Speaker 1:Yes, see, you might be okay then.
Speaker 2:I feel like I could be a nine children kind of person. What? Not now Too late for?
Speaker 1:me. No way in hell could I have nine children yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, we had talked about fostering and adopting when the kids were a little younger and then just never really got into the space, but we had talked about having even more kids at home.
Speaker 1:Our house isn't big enough, though, and that's a big thing with like fostering and stuff, you have to have their own space, which totally makes sense, but anyway, okay.
Speaker 2:So nine children, nine kids. However, one of her sons his, his name was nick. He completed suicide in 1997. Yeah, he was, I think, in his early 20s. He was a young person. So she actually wrote the non-fiction book her only non-fiction book his bright light, to honor his memory and bring awareness to mental health issues I'm not sure exactly what his were, but obviously something that impacted her okay.
Speaker 2:So her first novel, going home, was published in 1973 and at first she kind of went a little bit unnoticed. Not a best-selling author at all, sold some, but by the 1980s she just kept writing. Her book, started to kind of creep up the bestseller lists and once she got there in like 1983, everything she's ever published since has been a bestseller at some point.
Speaker 1:All you got to have is one book to get in the door with, like the moms and grandmas.
Speaker 2:And the grocery store paperback turnstile. I'm telling you Because back in the day.
Speaker 1:that's who the grocery store turnstile, that's the word. I was looking for Back in the day. That's who was there. It was the stay at home moms going to get groceries for their family, the grandmas, retired grandmas that's who they were catering to with those turnstiles why that? Was oh that was weird. I think it stopped recording for a second but is it recording now?
Speaker 2:yeah, it is okay weird. Okay, we'll keep an eye on it. Maybe the internet buffered or something. That was strange. I guess we'll see. Uh, hopefully you can hear us listeners and everyone that's watching the live stream that we're not sure where it is. Sorry about that. Okay, she has written 190 books. Whoa, yeah, I would have guessed. I don't know why, but I would have guessed like 70. I don't know 190.
Speaker 1:I never would have guessed that many.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to even do the math on that. How many a year that would be?
Speaker 1:Well, remember how many that lady had at that bookstore? Yes, do you know how many that lady had at that bookstore?
Speaker 2:Yes, she had tons of them, tons of them, yeah, and she sold more than 800 million copies of her books.
Speaker 1:Holy begollies 800 million. That's wild.
Speaker 2:And her books have spent over 1,000 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and have been translated into 40 languages Whoa yeah. And have been translated into 40 languages, whoa yeah. And then, on top of that, because of the timing of this and what you were just talking about about the audience, many of her books were adapted into TV movies, especially in the 1990s. Makes sense, including Kaleidoscope. Were they on Lifetime? They were on Lifetime. Ah, I knew it. Most of them, yep. And this particular movie, kaleidoscope, had Jacqueline Smith. She was in a lot of them. Yeah, so she was. Oh my gosh, why can't I think of her name? Was she in that TV show?
Speaker 1:Dynasty no.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think she was, and then she was what One of the Charlie's Angels? Wasn't that her? Oh my God, I got to stop guessing what people were in after that sunglasses at night incident. I'm not even guessing. This isn't about Jacqueline Smith anyway, so we're just going to keep moving. It doesn't matter. In addition to all of that, danielle Steele is a Guinness Book of World Records holder. What For having a book on the New York Times list for?
Speaker 2:the most consecutive weeks. So it's like the same difference. She's just been awarded a Guinness record. That's crazy. It's not for like longest burp or something. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:That was the thing I thought of All the Guinness records are so weird.
Speaker 2:There's some weird ones there really are. So she also has. She doesn't now, but she had owned an art gallery in San Francisco and she actually, in addition to her writing and apparently nine children and five husbands, had a career in art curation. Yeah, and her big thing was like showcasing up and coming contemporary artists, like trying to shine the spotlight on them. She seems very it's interesting and I don't want to like um, undermine her writing at all, but I was surprised that she had like such a diverse kind of background, spoke different languages, live different places, did all this stuff with art Cause I feel like it's very, um, plainly written or written to appeal to the masses, yeah, which is fine, but I just I don't know, I would have thought she was just more of like an everyday kind of person writing about everyday kind of things well, she's a renaissance lady, right, she's a renaissance lady.
Speaker 2:Yep. So she, despite being that famous and that beautiful picture of her, she rarely gives interviews. She's a very private person. She doesn't like to appear in media. She doesn't like to go to book signings. She says she prefers to let her books do the talking.
Speaker 1:That's fair.
Speaker 2:I mean, look, you don't have to go on a book tour, you don't have to go on Good Morning America.
Speaker 1:I mean it is a lot, you don't have to go on a book tour, you don't have to go. I mean it is a lot for us If you're not a people-y person, right, that would be very draining, I agree. Like if that is not especially because writing is solitary it is like you are very soft Like, and for some people going and talking to people reading their work like you, it'd probably be energizing. But if you don't like that, it'd be like here.
Speaker 2:I just, I just want to put my piece of thing into the world. I think it depends what it is. Like the book I'm working on now I'm excited to get to talk to people about and like see what they say about how they feel about the topics in it. Uh, I, I don't know.
Speaker 2:The work I do on alzheimer's might be harder but, then again, I'd like to hear what other people say and their stories. So I guess it's what. What it's about. I feel like if I was writing about something non-fiction traumatic, that might be hard, unless you had gotten to the point where, again, you're trying to help people and hear their stories and all of that. But she writes mostly fiction. Yeah, um, interesting. So oh, she, right, reportedly writes exclusively on a vintage olympia typewriter. Oh, I love that, isn't that?
Speaker 1:cool. What is that? Who's reporting that? I just it, it's not a secret. It just like like she says that, oh, because she doesn't give interviews, so it's right, yeah, I got you, not a secret. It's just like like she says that, oh, cause she doesn't give interviews, so it's right, yeah, I got you. Um, I love that. I there's nothing like the clickety clack of a typewriter.
Speaker 2:I love typewriters. I love them. My great aunt left me one from like the 1940s when she passed. I love that and I just have it in like the case it came in it weighs like literally like 30 pounds. I don't even know that I could get like like the tape, the ribbon or anything anymore. But I like if I ever have like an office office where I, where I write, I like kind of want to display it or something, but for now it's just like packaged up Cause I don't want anything to happen to it.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, my favorite class I ever took in school was typing.
Speaker 2:I liked typing too.
Speaker 1:It's like what is that we're with the noises, the EMDR stuff?
Speaker 2:And plus you're moving your hands too.
Speaker 1:So you're fidgeting Right, but it was so satisfying and I'm a super fast typer. Um, and I love I used to have a typewriter, cause we used to have to write papers on typewriters before we had computers. But I loved it and I I have to re. I used to have to rewrite notes because that's just how my brain works. I have to like write it and then anyway, and I would type them. I would write them in class and then come home and type them. I love that, cause I can't. I also can't look at unorganized writing. It stresses me out. I don't know. Brains are weird.
Speaker 2:That's interesting because I take handwritten notes at my rehearsals that I'm directing and then I also type them up to share with the cast after, because it helps them, but it also helps me like wait, what did? I mean by that oh yeah, and then I can extrapolate a little more. Yeah, it totally helps. Write your notes twice, write once and type again. They said sometimes they know she and like her family and her publishers say sometimes she'll work up to 20 hours a day when she's trying to finish a novel which I sounds like somebody else.
Speaker 1:I know I do understand. Meanwhile I'm yawning over here for no reason.
Speaker 2:My husband got up I don't know when we were getting kids off to camp summer camps this morning. He's like what time did you get up? I was like 430. And he was like what? And I mean I always get up early, but he's like why? And I was like I had work I had to do. What time did you go to bed? I did go to bed late last night.
Speaker 1:What time?
Speaker 2:Like 11. Okay, that's not.
Speaker 1:I don't normally go to bed that late. It was because I had rehearsal till 10.
Speaker 2:nip you in the ass it will. I try to adjust my sleep schedule when I am in rehearsals, because otherwise I do go to bed earlier. What time do you normally go to bed? I'm usually asleep by nine almost every night.
Speaker 1:I'm sure. How do you go to sleep with all them people in your house? I know they're not asleep. I say don't talk to strangers online. They're so loud though, like not that they're loud. Loud, I just mean, people are loud. Oh yeah, I don't care about that. You don't, because you don't, you're not a light sleeper.
Speaker 2:If I'm exhausted, exhausted and like my husband's gonna stay up later, he'll turn on like white noise on the tv for me while everybody's still awake.
Speaker 1:I mean I. It's so hard for me to go to sleep when there's a lot of activity because I'm a light sleeper yeah, but I used to like when I lived by myself or I had like a roommate and I would wake up at God forsaken hour to go work out at the gym before working full time job, I would go to bed super early.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I can't, I can't now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also. Anyway, by that time I'm so exhausted I can fall asleep, I'll probably so crazy I have a rehearsal tonight, but I'm only at it till about 730. So either I'll go to bed like 830 or nine that's so wild or when we're done recording, I'm going to go home for a couple hours before I teach. I'll take a nap, oh, and you can.
Speaker 1:Which I can do now. Oh yeah, which I can do now, without my full time.
Speaker 2:I mean I have a zillion things I need to do, but your body will let you rest. My body will probably be like take a quick nap.
Speaker 1:But also Because I will.
Speaker 2:You need to have the sleep, but I also have to finish watching K-pop. Demon Hunters have you watched? Oh, that was my face like four days ago. Ask Cooper about it. Okay, guarantee, all right.
Speaker 1:I thought it was just going to be. I'm surprised you're watching this. That's why I made the face. I mean I Because.
Speaker 2:Tegan asked me to oh, okay, and I even said to like, because Amelia had watched it. She's like, oh, it's so good. And I'm like, is it satire? And she's like, no, it's like an actual, it's anime. It's like an animated anime, musical, you don't maybe. Maybe I like anime. Yeah, maybe it's anime. And remember how we talked about it's female forward. Yeah, it's not, because it is like for kids. So I mean all cartoon, a lot of cartoons are, but it's I don't know, it's just fun and interesting and y'all heard it, diverse you heard it here first katie's watching a cartoon.
Speaker 2:I am, but I only watched half of it because I was tired. That's okay, so I fell asleep. Tegan paused it. She didn't want me to miss anything. And see, you can fall asleep in movies and stuff.
Speaker 1:See, I can't do that either. She's like mom, are you?
Speaker 2:falling asleep and I was like yeah, usually I try to be like no, but I was like yeah, she's like I'm going to pause it.
Speaker 1:Are you like a liar when you're fall asleep while I'm reading and my book will start? And Troy will tap me.
Speaker 2:I'm like, I'm reading.
Speaker 1:He's like yeah your eyes are closed. You're not fooling anyone over there. I've also dropped the book on my face If I'm getting really comfortable, and then you drop it on your face and I'm like, oh God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could totally see that. Yeah, In fact, you know how I told you we watch NCIS sometimes before bed. That's so wild. We had to watch one in three parts because I kept falling asleep. We finished it last night and there were what like 44 minutes or something. We finished it last night and it like looped back to like something from the beginning and I was like who's that I was like.
Speaker 2:That's the person that was dead at the beginning and I was like in this episode, and he was like yes, yes, and I was like, wow, what? And so he's like telling, connecting the dots for me, and I was like, oh, right, right, right, I remember now, but I really didn't remember all right, all right, moving on.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, so k-pop demon hunters you need to watch it all right okay'm going to watch the second half of it.
Speaker 2:That was my point, maybe this afternoon with Tegan. It's like a series. No, it's just one movie. Oh, it's a movie. It's a movie, yeah, okay, so even better, you won't get hooked and have to watch it all the time unless you want to watch it their hair.
Speaker 1:You know what I rewatched the other night? What? Because I just felt like watching something, Because Caden was I don't know, he's never home, he's probably at your house actually and then Troy and Cooper were watching Lord of the Rings Bleh.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:Don't like it. I was like I'm going to watch Rocky Horror. I haven't watched it in, so long God, I forgot how good Tim Curry is. I love Tim Curry. I mean I knew he's good, I mean like I know the movie, but he's good man. That's one I can watch all the time. It's so fucking weird and great. I love it. It's weird and fun and the music's hilarious New dream role unlocked for me too, by the way, Magenta.
Speaker 2:Magenta. It's a good one. You know there's places around here that do that over here you might need to go up I might need to, because that one you can be older and play it.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, I know I love that show.
Speaker 2:Okay, great.
Speaker 1:Well, speaking of, steven hunter, rocky horror and danielle steel novels from the 80s.
Speaker 2:Actually, yes, 87, so this one was seven, so moving on from danielle the person, to the book, this was published in 1987, and I am going to read the official plot summary for those who didn't read it or did read it.
Speaker 2:Kaleidoscope tells the story of three sisters, hillary, alexandra and megan, who are separated after a family tragedy. Their father, a us military officer, commitsa violent act that destroys the family and the girls are sent to different foster homes and adoptive families. Years later, a private investigator named John Chapman, hired by the girls' late guardian late guardian, well, no, he hasn't passed yet anyway tries to reunite them as adults. The story weaves together themes of trauma, identity, forgiveness and sisterhood, each woman's journey deeply shaped by their childhood experiences. The title Kaleidoscope symbolizes how fragmented lives, when turned and looked at from different angles, can form a beautiful pattern of healing and reconnection. How do you feel about this?
Speaker 1:Listen, I need a second. I hated this book so much, it was so heavy. I was thinking oh, danielle Steele, this will be like brain you know retread rot, retread easy. It was so heavy, there was so much trauma, so much grief. So again, guys, this has not been a great summer for me. I texted Katie. I was like okay, have you started reading it? I was, I don't remember what I said. I was like I hadn't started rereading it.
Speaker 2:And then, when I did to be, have you started reading it? I don't remember what I said. I was like this book is a lot. I hadn't started rereading it. And then, when I did, to be fair, I picked it out before everything got wild. It doesn't matter, I still wouldn't have liked it. You wouldn't have, did you like?
Speaker 1:it, rereading it.
Speaker 2:No, I felt like and then I read a few reviews when I was doing this research that I was like that's it. I felt like it took a lot of time setting up some of the characters at the beginning, yes, and really took a long time kind of telling that origin story of everything that happens. And then it kind of just sped up and then it just ended Correct and I was like what happened?
Speaker 1:It was this very big buildup of trauma, especially for the. What was the one main girl, Hillary, Hillary and guys in this book? If you haven't read it? She was the oldest of the three, the mom. This happens pretty soon on. The mom dies, then the dad dies Tragically I won't tell you how, cause that will ruin stuff. Yeah, If you are. And then they get separated. The three kids nobody, they don't have family.
Speaker 1:I was pissed off that their best friend, who was their lawyer, Arthur, did not like he had this bitchy wife that was Marjorie. I'm glad you remember all these names, because I do not. Marjorie was not playing around and he should have grown a pair and been like these are three humans. Like, listen, I I have two children who I love dearly. I love my friends kids, other people's children I don't really want to hang out with, but I would never in my wildest dreams abandon three children, especially have them be apart from each other. Yeah, Cause they don't take you together. No, so I would never. I would never. And like if my husband was like, let's say, um, okay, my best friend Amber has three kids. This is a perfect example. You have too many children, so I can't use you as an example like let's say um okay, my best friend, amber, has three kids. This is a perfect example you have too many children so I can't use.
Speaker 2:You can't use me as an example.
Speaker 1:If something happened to them, her and her husband and I was like troy, like what are we? These girls are alone. Like what are we gonna do? Like we can't just. And he said I don't think so, I'd be like bitch. We don't think so, I'd be like bitch, we don't want this. I wouldn't say it like that In your head. You would. Actually, I might. Yeah, and honestly, he should have taken them. And they had the money Right and they didn't have their own kids, no, and they had plenty of money and time and resources to help these girls and provide for them. They could have at least fostered them if they didn't want to adopt them.
Speaker 2:In the meantime, they could have fostered all three. Yeah, and I don't know how much of that is like a timing thing, right? Because the girls are young in the 60s-ish Well, that's true, late 50s and I think we didn't understand as much about um adoption and sibling separation. I mean, it's kind of common sense. Like your parents died, you don't want to not be with your sisters, someone that they, they knew, they knew arthur.
Speaker 1:Right, they knew him. Yes, he was not a stranger, it was their parent's friend he was in their lives already right.
Speaker 2:It's frustrating and then it's sort of interesting because, as the book goes on, arthur's the one that in the end, when he's and I'll, it's fine spoiler alert if you didn't read it when he's dying toward the end because he's an old, old man that doesn't ruin the story at all.
Speaker 2:It doesn't he? Yeah, it doesn't matter, no, who cares? But he is the one then that like hires this private investigator because he feels now like regrets. As he said, they were separated and again back in the time it's written they're not doing um 23 and me dna kits to find each other. They're not on internet forums looking for each other, like hillary the older one goes looking for the sisters the best way she can try. She goes back to like where they might live and she even went and like talked to arthur and he's like at the time she talks to him, this is before he's sick, on his deathbed. He's like I don't know where they are, like they were adopted out all right.
Speaker 1:Well, let's just, let's disagree. Now we're just gonna give spoilers we're just gonna have to.
Speaker 2:How could we not yeah?
Speaker 1:so let's rewind a second and talk about the parents dying. Okay, so the husband and wife are like in love and then they're like not, which happens in relationships, but then they get into a fight and he just kills her.
Speaker 2:It did feel like it escalated very fast. Hello, what? Yeah, and I felt like some of the traumatic outbursts she, being the writer Danielle Steele, tried to relate back to like military trauma kind of Like. Some of the writing made me think that was the implication, which we do know is a thing, yeah, but, like you said, there wasn't really signs of that leading up to that.
Speaker 1:It's like out of nowhere I'm like what when he just killed?
Speaker 2:her yeah, that was crazy, and then obviously felt so bad about it. Then he ends up taking his own life right again heavy, terrible, so much in this book.
Speaker 1:and then the thing I don't, okay, what I don't like about books like this is I feel like it's kind of like trauma porn, where it's just so detailed in the things that happen, abuse wise. There was a book I had to stop reading. Wow, when I was young, like while it was years ago. It was a book that was. I think I talked about this before. It was an author I really liked and he was writing a story from the point of view of a woman who had been abused and then her abuser and it even and it would go back and forth, which sounds very and it was interesting for a while, until he gets to where the molestation and stuff happens and he goes into details on both accounts. I just feel like that is too much.
Speaker 1:Now, if it was your own story and you're telling the story, that's your business and you're right and you deserve to tell your story. But when it's fiction, I just feel like it's almost objectifying trauma. Does that make sense? And that's what I can't. I just I can't handle like you don't need to tell the details of how she was held down and things inserted and like the paint. I just I can't, I don't, I don't, I can't handle it. I'm not saying it's right, wrong or in between.
Speaker 2:I just don't like it, yeah. Yeah, I'd never heard trauma porn before, but I think there's something to that for sure, if you're writing it kind of for shock value, which again is a writing technique and can lead to books that people want to read or keep turning the pages on, you know, but I can see how even fiction, obviously things like this happen in real life, right. So to objectify it, like you said, to kind of make it your I don't know like your shiny thing that makes people like your book or or keep reading it or read your next book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's a lot and I mean it's. It's the same reason why I can't do like crime and stuff like that is because I just it's just I don't know. I don't like to relive that when I'm trying to entertain myself. I get that Makes sense.
Speaker 1:No that's why I like fantasy stuff because it's just so out there, right. And even horror stuff is so out there, right. You know like when it gets too realistic, I feel like there's enough of that in real life. I have enough of my own bullshit to deal with. I ain't trying to read about somebody else's. I get that, I totally get that, especially when it's kids. That's the other part. That's hard. She was a young teen, exactly, I just yeah.
Speaker 1:And the scene where her fucking uncle after the other lady died and he's trying to get her and rape her and she runs outside nude and is beat up, bleeding, crawls to the neighbor's house. Yeah, doesn't this sound uplifting guys? Yeah, beat read. I just was like, oh my God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And and to that point later in the book when the private investigator is trying to track them down and he, he goes to those neighbors. Yes, I felt like the neighbors were kind of like. They were like oh yeah, it wasn't so great over there. There was some stuff probably that went down.
Speaker 1:It's like hello, but you know that happens so often. People just look the other way because it's messy to get involved in human lives yeah. But I think you always need to say something if there's a kid involved.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent. A hundred percent, I don't care.
Speaker 1:Send the police over there. If something seems weird, it probably is.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I created tabs in my Google Doc. You know you can do that now. No, yeah. No, I don't know that. Ashley told me. Hey, Ashley.
Speaker 1:Ashley's just changing our lives.
Speaker 2:She is One question bit of info, but I didn't mean to open the tab, so they're just blank tabs, but here's the real one. So thank you, ashley, but I don't need that particular skill right this minute, so OK, so I did kind of like we've done with the other ones. I did come up with some book discussion questions. Oh sorry, I thought I thought these will touch on some of the things. So this is similar. Do you think that Arthur was right to try to reunite the sisters later in life? Why or why not?
Speaker 1:That's a tricky one, because I thought it was selfish of him for lots of reasons, all the things he did because he wanted to feel better about himself. He wanted cause he did now granted good, but also I mean, and it's never too late, but then it also kind of is I don't know, it bothered me. I'm glad that they were reunited, but also, and then I felt so bad for Hillary Because the other two girls had these pretty great lives.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had nice families and education and they were kind of doing like careers they wanted to do.
Speaker 1:One was like a baroness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like literally. Yeah, like her marriage wasn't so great, but yeah, like her marriage wasn't so great but generally, and that was the other thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all of a sudden he just has some change of heart that was weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were. That was weird because he was like mentally, like emotionally, abusive, yes, and distant to the point that she didn't want him to know. She was adopted because she was afraid that he would like freak out about her lineage, because she wasn't like a true blood baroness or whatever can we say red flag times a hundred?
Speaker 1:yes, if you don't want to tell somebody that you're in a partnership with that, you were adopted because you're scared they're gonna freak out red red flag of like a thousand with that guy and then, yeah, like by the end they kind of like patched things.
Speaker 2:He flies to america and is like yeah, she was the one that lives in france.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's like hello I am now here and I am sorry, and she's like okay, yeah, that, yeah, that was strange.
Speaker 2:That was strange what I did, like the plot point, because Hillary, because her growing up was, you know, the foster homes, the abuse, being on her own as an adult, trying to make her way in the world, you know, she just had a lot of continued trauma after the trauma of her parents passing. She was still kind of hardened when she met her sisters, but then when she met the nieces, did you notice that she melted a little more and that opened the door for, like her, to have a relationship, uh, with that particular sister, alexandra I think, and um, it was like the way I read it at least was kind of like that was the thing that sort of jumped that boundary for her, and I don't know if Danielle Steele was trying to relate that to that. There's these two little girls and like Hillary always felt responsible for her two little sisters.
Speaker 2:And if there was some kind of like reconciliation in her own self, being able to be around these other children and I don't know, be part of their lives. I thought that was pretty well written and also like kind of you said, with kids, they change how you feel about things for sure, oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I would have liked to seen in this book less of all the details of them, mostly Hillary trauma book. I would have liked there to spend more time on the flip, on the end part of the book, like once the sisters are together and how they get, how they get come together and their relationship building and getting to know each other as siblings Because the youngest was a baby Right To know no recollection siblings because the youngest was a baby Right To no recollection of her life before that.
Speaker 1:Which I guess that's another reason I don't know Anything when kids are mistreated. I just have a very difficult time with. Yes, absolutely, I just. And then that poor girl, the poor big sister trying to be a parent, it's just it's a lot, it just rags me it's very heavy.
Speaker 2:And, yes, I agree. What did you think about the? There was time spent on the adoptive moms of the other two girls the one in France who was pretty close with Alexandra, and then the one out in San Francisco. That's funny, cause now that I'm saying all these cities, I'm like wait, we just talked about that with Danielle Steele. How? She doesn't argue Like she kind of hits the same places, the places she knows.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, both of the adoptive moms were like, very at first resistant to the private investigator. Um, I think in both cases they didn't know they were adopted. I think that's right. Yeah, hillary knew that her sisters had been adopted out. So I don't know what did you think about that? Because I was trying to put myself in their shoes, that if I my kid had. Well, first of all, and look, neither of us have adopted children, neither of us are foster parents. So this definitely not judging, but like your personality, if you adopted a child, would you want them to know their true story from the jump? Would you tell them? As a young adult, would you always keep it from them?
Speaker 1:um, I think I would want them to know the truth from the beginning, just because of how I am. But I know people who have done closed adoptions and they keep it that way until their kid turns 18. Okay, and then they're like Now they let them know that they are adopted, just not the details, right?
Speaker 2:Okay, I think that's what I would do. It depends what the severity of the situation was.
Speaker 1:Well, I do think, age appropriate info right. I mean, but I do think it's important for kids to know full truths, even hard ones, right? Because it does? Everything that happens to you does affect who you become, whether you fight hard, like Hillary did, against to change things or whatever, but it does affect you. Yeah, whether you know it or not, your body knows, your brain knows. Yes, your body knows your brain knows.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think too there used to maybe be and I don't know this, I wasn't alive at that time a bigger stigma about adoption, particularly of babies, that if you didn't have to admit to the outside world that it wasn't your biological kid, you just didn't Not that the outside world should have any say in any of it.
Speaker 2:But then if you're presenting as that's your biological child, which is your choice, then you kind of have to present that to the child too for that to hold up, yeah. And so I wondered, like when this private investigator is talking to the adoptive moms and they're like, oh my God, don't tell them, or I need to tell them first, or how dare you? You know, I thought you know if they've been trying to kind of uphold this facade this long. Oh yeah, that is a lot for someone to just come crash it in like hey, I'm going to reunite all the sisters and Arthur sent me, and you know like, yeah, I could see that how that would be. But you, but the way it was written then the adopted moms were still just as close to the girls.
Speaker 2:And it was like a larger family situation.
Speaker 1:We know that mothering, or any relationship, really doesn't have anything to do with blood Right.
Speaker 2:So Right, yes, agree, okay. So here's another one. Um, I don't know, I don't know how I feel about this question. We can skip it if you think it's weird. Okay. Is forgiveness necessary for healing in the book? Then I was like what does that mean? Do they mean hillary? I think I think her forgiving ar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, must be Do you think she needs to forgive him to heal Okay, that's a loaded question in life in general, because I don't know if that's always true, which is a hot take on it, because that's not what most people say. But sometimes you don't have to forgive, you just need to release it, just let it go. Yeah, and that's not forgiving, that's just releasing it. What did I tell you the other day? Bless and release, bless and release, yeah, bye.
Speaker 2:Because it's not excusing it, it's not saying, oh, I understand why they did it. It's just saying I mean not to be crass, but kind of like I don't care why. I'm moving on for myself.
Speaker 1:Not even I don't care, Like I do care, but I just need to move on and I don't have it in me to forgive you for our X, Y, Z, Because there are I mean, there are things that I would feel would be unforgivable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean there are things that I would feel would be unforgivable. Yeah, I have a big one in my life and same kind of thing. I didn't, I've never forgiven or been like it's fine, but I've released and that's, you know, my, my daughter's, biological dad not being involved in her life.
Speaker 2:That's not something I'll ever be able to understand, right, you don't want to I didn't do it, like I also was a young parent who didn't know what to do and I didn't make that choice. So I think, but it's also something I don't carry around because I'm like, well, like it's not, that was out of my control and I can only be my half of the parenting and you know, life goes on from there. Yeah, but I don't think that I ever need to forgive that person to have like healed from it or be okay about how it all went down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, down the road you know and my daughter. It's a different story.
Speaker 1:She gets to decide that for herself, you know, but anyway, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, that question was good actually. Okay, oh, this one's dumb, but I'm going to. But see, I thought the last one wouldn't be good. We got, we had some good conversation. Megan, who's the youngest, who was the baby, leads the most grounded life of the three sisters. Why do you think she adapted more smoothly?
Speaker 1:Ooh, you know, I didn't think about that. Cause she um if you haven't read it, she's the.
Speaker 2:She's like, um, a doctor in a clinic for Appalachia underserved communities and really passionate about her work and the people who she helps. Um, I mean, I would just say it's because she probably experienced the least amount of processing of the trauma and we don't know how much, you know, babies can process necessarily and even subconsciously, but she didn't remember it, she didn't remember any of it.
Speaker 1:I mean that's probably why I mean that's kind of an easy answer. That's what I mean, because of trauma.
Speaker 2:She just she didn't experience it in the same way.
Speaker 1:When you're a baby that's one and a 12 year old. Yeah, it's my sister and I talk about those kinds of things a lot because we're seven years apart. So it's almost like, even though you know, for whatever amount of years we lived under the same roof, we had a very different experience. There's things I don't remember because my little brain either I just don't or my little brain said goodbye, I don't want to remember that. Right, and she remembers obviously more because she was thinking about I was four. Right, she was 11. Yeah, so the things that stick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I totally I think so too, and I think it's the family, like the you could say like maybe an argument for the middle one had a great, because she had this like really wealthy and notable family. But that comes with its own things too. So I think it was also the family that Megan was adopted into, who were successful people but like grounded, normal people, that gave her like a normal normal, normal normal.
Speaker 1:is her like a normal everyday Normal. Normal is in quotations. Yeah, I would say they were grounded. Just stable people. There you go. I was trying to think of a good word. That's a good one I was like come to me.
Speaker 2:Word hey, I came up with turnstile earlier, I know, so anything is possible. Word hey, I came up with turnstile earlier.
Speaker 1:I know so anything is possible.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, moving on. Okay, this is a good one. If the story had ended without the sisters reuniting, would the novel have had the same emotional impact? Although, if you didn't feel an emotional impact, I didn't like it.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't have liked it then either.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't have liked it then either. No, do you think there is a world where they could have written it without them reuniting? Yeah, okay, would it have been more interesting? No no, I don't, I didn't everything leading up to.
Speaker 1:It just was not.
Speaker 2:I couldn't, I just could, I just did not like this I think it wouldn't have been as satisfying for the reader Like I wanted them to to at least meet each other, even if they ended up being like, okay, now we're still going to go our separate ways. Just the curiosity in me as a person. I was like they have to meet each other and reunite. They have to see their sisters.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm glad they did, but I still did not like the book. Yeah, did you watch the TV movie, by the way?
Speaker 2:I didn't watch it, I had one and two. I found it on YouTube. Oh you did so I watched like pieces of it Okay, because I kind of wanted to see what was left out, but you saw it a long time ago. The TV movie yeah, okay, but you don't remember it, but this time not much. I looked up a little and Jacqueline Smith kind of looks yeah yeah, yeah. In the movie. So I'm sure they honestly, you know, made for TV movie. They had to leave a lot of things out, I'm sure Okay.
Speaker 1:I obviously did not watch it.
Speaker 2:I'd be interested to know how much they left out, because there's a lot going on in this book. There's a lot, let's see, oh, okay, okay. So this is kind of related to the one I just asked Does closure always require reconnection? No, had that my own self, because you can just make the decision yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't need another person's presence to decide that Another thing I worked on in therapy Love Yep, because you have to get to the point where you have a realization with some people in life that there won't be closure and it sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you have to just say, okay, that's just going to be what it is and move on Right, like I mean, it's not a good feeling to not have closure because, as humans, we like to have period dot done. We're just, that's just the way we are.
Speaker 2:We want to have the answers, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but sometimes you don't get them and you have to move on. Yeah, I don't know Totally agree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree. I mean, I know, especially having, you know, teenagers and preteens teaching that, even when, whether it's a friendship or a relationship and and they want to know but why did they do that or why did they feel that way? And it's like trying to say sometimes you just won't have the answer to that and it isn't fun and it isn't satisfying and it isn't fulfilling, but it's, it is what it is. So you yourself have to create that, whether closure's the word or the ability to move past things. You know that sort of thing, yeah, so I agree, I don't think you need it. I wanted to ask it's not on this list what did you think about the kind of side story with the private investigator and his ballerina girlfriend? I was like what I know? And then she was a bitch and she taught the feet.
Speaker 1:Talking about her feet like yeah sore. They were all the time.
Speaker 2:I'm like, all right, well, obviously she's a narcissist, so, like red flags, sir, yeah, all she talks about is her dancing and her feet and she didn't like when he was getting called away for work and how he was going far without her and stuff.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I guess it was just a statement on I don't know.
Speaker 2:I thought that was a weird thing. But then were they trying to set him up that he was kind of like we had the end of the book Him and Hillary are dating, yeah. But then for a while I, when I was rereading it and re-listening to it, I thought they were trying to set him up with Alexandra. So did I? Maybe that was on purpose, but I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess you have to have him because he's the, he's the vehicle to find the answers. Well, and then the weird random guy with Hillary?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, I was like what was that there for? And man, she was not nice to people she worked with. I know damn.
Speaker 1:But again, and and it was kind of built as this, like she puts up walls because of the trauma, which I get kind of a trope it was a trope for sure, kind of obvious like oh, she's a bitch at work. Yeah, because all this stuff happened to her there was a lot of like standard, like 80s um like how powered businesswoman yeah who's also terrible to her co-workers.
Speaker 2:Correct those tropes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also isn't a mother, and you know, like all the things because of her trauma because of her trauma and her high-powered career?
Speaker 2:yes, I don't know. I just thought that that was interesting. What else?
Speaker 1:Well, another reason I think I didn't like this it was Lifetime movie. It was, it really was, and obviously it was a movie on Lifetime. So there you go, but I don't enjoy that, yeah, and I don't know. I'm glad you didn't like it either, because if I go in there and Katie's like, oh my God, I loved it so much again, I'd be like what I mean?
Speaker 2:I'm glad I read it, are you? It did make me think, I mean, I don't know, I just I'm, on a personal level, just very intrigued by, like, adoption and just the mentality of of family split up and stuff. Not because I like any of that, I just think it's really fascinating to look at the different angles. So I think, on concept, I liked this idea, not all the trauma that got them there, but this idea of three people who had the exact same parents live three very different lives separate from each other, and then how does that look once they've lived a decent amount of their life? I like that idea. I think it could be written differently. Maybe I'll write a story one of these days, don't put all that in there and I won't read it.
Speaker 2:Okay, I won't. I'll just have like inconveniences, not trauma. How about that?
Speaker 1:I well no, I'm not saying you should ever like shy away from like trauma in stories, cause I think it does sometimes help people who have been through similar trauma, even if they read it in a fictional book.
Speaker 1:True, I think it does, but I think, going into the gory details of the trauma, that's where I think the trauma porn aspect comes in because it's um, you know, I think about it in real life, like, as an example, is when you have video of like police brutality or something you don't need to show the person going through that, yes, right, I think that is objectification of trauma as well, unless they want it out there, which is their story.
Speaker 2:Which is their business.
Speaker 1:And they're right, they feel like it should be seen, but they get to make that right. Nobody else. I don't like it when I see people filming car accidents or like that's not your right to do that. I don't know, I just I get that.
Speaker 2:I get that. I mean for, for as much as I am interested by things like true crime and all of that, I don't like shows like cops or um, what was the one police, what was the one that was recently out? It's like police live or live police or something I can't remember what's called. Everyone's screaming at me. I don't even know what you're talking about and it is. It's just a show where they follow police along on their beat that night and they film it all. So like someone gets busted for drugs, someone gets pulled over.
Speaker 1:They have to sign a release?
Speaker 2:I would, I would assume, think so, but even then I'm like I don't this person like it's entertaining to see this person you know clearly on meth like being harassed by the police yeah, that I don't like it. I don't like it either. It makes me and I don't like the prison ones where they're like inside real prisons unless the people want to tell their stories unless they want to tell their stories, and then there's there's room for that, I suppose. But yeah, it's very bothersome.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we've made it through. That's what I meant. Yeah, I know I knew what you meant, anyway, but anyway, we did make it through, and this was such a different episode than our last one. We were talking about wiener sandwiches, correct?
Speaker 2:I was sitting here talking. I'm like I don't know what kind of clips we're going to have from this episode. It might just have to all be from the beginning.
Speaker 1:I know, and then be like, and probably like, the book with your face by Danielle Steele. That's probably it. I don't know. Guys. I'm wondering if anybody read this with us, cause I know a few people who are reading the books and I was like are you going to read Danielle Steele? They're like no, but they read Flowers on the Attic.
Speaker 1:They read Judy Blume, by the way. Last night I was like I am just going to start reading forever. Now. Okay, even though we have a few weeks, I'm halfway done. It's such an easy read. Is it fun too, do you love it? Yes, and I did read this as a kid.
Speaker 2:I remember but I'm interested when I start to read it as soon as floods back to me as soon as they lay down on the rug to make out.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh, I remember.
Speaker 2:Hey, oh yeah, I'm ready. It's, or maybe I'm not. It's a lot, I can't wait. It'll be a, it'll be a much more lively discussion and we'll have an in-between episode, and then we'll have American Pie Not Fast Times, that's later and then American Pie, and then it's Forever, and then it's Fast Times.
Speaker 1:And that's the whole summer.
Speaker 2:Dang Summer's flying by, but then it's getting super close to spooky season.
Speaker 1:Should we tell everyone about our news that we're going to be?
Speaker 2:in an independent film. Everyone we are.
Speaker 1:My friend, op op, who is now katie's friend as well, yes, uh is working on a really fun project. It is dark comedy, horror-esque, yep, mockumentary.
Speaker 2:We're not gonna tell you anything else because but yeah, we're gonna start working on that this fall, hopefully wrap by January, I think you said. I don't know, we'll see, it might take longer, but that's generally the time frame. So we'll keep you guys updated as we know more Definitely. And don't forget to tune in to our Dawson's Creek episodes. We got that next. We decided to record this one first, so hopefully we have something a little lighter for Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 1:I so hopefully we have something a little lighter for Dawson's Creek. I have so many things to say about these last two episodes of.
Speaker 2:Dawson's Creek. There's a lot happening. There's a lot Y'all need to listen.
Speaker 1:If you don't usually listen to our Dawson's, y'all need to just go listen, even if you don't rewatch. I think most of the people that listen do not rewatch this or have never watched.
Speaker 1:Some of them have never watched, or they tried one and they're like yeah, no, watched, or they tried one and they're like, yeah, no, because we go on so many dang rabbit trails is not even funny, but also we do rake them across the coals a lot. Those writers are losing their minds for season three. They really are anyway, yeah join us on that.
Speaker 2:Awesome thanks for tuning in for zennial girl summer and be sure to leave us a review wherever you're listening. Yeah, share us. Share us in your stories, like on instagram. Be like, check out this episode. Awesome Thanks for tuning in for Zennial Girl Summer and be sure to leave us a review wherever you're listening. Yeah, share us. Share us in your stories, like on Instagram. Be like, check out this episode. Yes, you know. And if Kaleidoscope's not the one, share Goonies, share Dawson's Creek, it's great. Our questions one yes, people are loving that one. And if we didn't get to your question, have we're gonna have a follow-up to that. I'm sure we will, don't worry, it's coming all right. Well, thanks everybody. We'll see you on our next episode. Bye.
