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Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek, S3 E7 & E8: Witch Island and Thanksgiving Drama
On this installment of Nostalgic or Problematic, we're rewatching Dawson's Creek Season 3, episodes 7 and 8, where the gang experiences spooky adventures on Witch Island and awkward Thanksgiving drama with unexpected guests.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to our Nostalgic or Problematic series, where we are rewatching Dawson's Creek. Yes, we are on season three. We are sticking to our two-episode rewatch. Yes, katie is still watching this at ungodly hours I am. But I have to say something that I was about to say to her and I was like I'll wait till we start recording.
Speaker 1:So if y'all listen to our last episode when we re-watch our full episode where we re-watch Goonies, I propose that every time we re-watch something, we make it intentional, we sit and we watch it the way it was intended to be watched and not watch it in bits and pieces. Okay, you know what I'm going to say. I do so. As y'all know, we've been doing this Zennio girl summer, where we have a list of movies, list of books, and we we put dates down ahead of time so you guys could listen with us and watch with us and you would know when the episode was going to air. So you know when to watch. I'm telling you all this because this has been set for a really long time and all you have to do is go on our socials and find the pin post to see what day. So Katie's texting me this week. I was so proud of myself, she was so proud and she's like Brant and I are watching, we're sitting down and watching Fast Times at Ridgemont High together and I'm like, wait, our next movie is American Pie. Fast Times isn't until August, august. But also another aside that we talked about is you were talking about how watching it with someone else makes it magical too, because usually I watch everything by myself when I can. So she was double proud. So I was like double proud. So I mean I needed to watch it. So now I've watched it. Well, now you're ahead of the game, I'm ahead, and I did take notes. So hopefully I won't like lose, like anything. But yeah, that was funny. So I still have to re-watch American Pie. Right, it was hilarious. Well, I panicked because I was like, oh shit, am I like behind? Like I'm still trying to finish this Danielle Steele book yeah, that's another story. Oh, because that's next week. Anyway, it was like so I went through all our stuff and I was like no. And then I re-listened to our Goonies episode yesterday and we even said on the episode American Pie is next. Oh, did we, we did Dang. American Pie is next. Oh, did we, we did Dang, I think.
Speaker 1:Maybe because I think my husband asked me what was left and I told him the two and he wanted to watch that. And he said oh, I love Fast Times, okay. And I was like, oh, that's right, yeah, I forgot, you really like that one. So then I was like so. Then he said no, you're going to love this. He said so see, I'm going to blame him, and that's okay, because he was trying and I didn't say what order. I just said, oh, yeah, we've got Fast Times American Pie left.
Speaker 1:And he was like it was like 8 o'clock in the evening. He said what do you think about waking up at like 6 am and watching Fast Times tomorrow? What? Yeah, you live a very different life than me. So he thought we were recording it like today, oh, today. So that would have been my moment to be like in my head oh wait, when are we recording that? And I was like no, no, I don't need that for like two weeks. And he was like oh, okay.
Speaker 1:I said let's like watch it at a normal hour. He's like but you always fall asleep. I'm like that's true. And then, like our kids are awake and I don't want my like 10 year old necessarily coming into scenes of that, or even my teens. They'd be like what are you watching?
Speaker 1:But we did end up watching it in the evening one evening when everyone, like the little one, was either in bed or she was at a sleepover. That's what. It was, okay. And then the teens were all busy doing other stuff that we were able to actually watch it. That's hilarious. So I'm just ahead of schedule. Everyone, you're ahead of the game, so look at that ahead of the game.
Speaker 1:But I did watch these dawson's by myself and before we we get into them, best two back to back to watch. Yeah, because it was like spooky season and Thanksgiving and it was really cool. I didn't watch them right, like I watched one a few days ago and then I started one yesterday, finished it today, but I feel like if there were ever two episodes to watch in a row, these two were awesome. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and also unrelated, but related, you guys.
Speaker 1:Dr Odyssey is canceled. I can't believe it. After one season. They didn't even give it a chance. I mean, they did. Oh, how many episodes did it have? I don't know. Bless you, but I'm so sad, so sad, you guys. It was a good. Okay, it wasn't a good show, but it was an entertaining show, yeah. And when I say good, like it wasn't well written, okay, and it was kind of out there, but so were 80, 100 other shows, I agree, but some of those get canceled too, yeah, but then you have trash reality shows that isn't really reality shows that go on for 80,000 seasons. That's something that is another day.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about it. Let's get into Dawson, let's go. So the first episode you're talking about spooky season, it was episode seven of season three, called Escape from Witch Island. When I watched it a couple nights ago I texted Katie. I said, oh my God, I remember this was one of my favorite episodes ever. It was really good.
Speaker 1:And here is the summary Dawson and list his friends to make a documentary about a local witch legend. So it was very Blair Witch vibes and they talk about Blair Witch the whole time. Because this is right around the time Blair Witch came out. We are going to you've seen Blair Witch? Yeah, I've seen it years ago. We're going to do a rewatch and an episode all about Blair Witch in October. Yeah, and if you are super young and don't know what Blair Witch is, we'll do an episode on it. Yeah, we'll do an episode. Just know it's a very long story.
Speaker 1:Just know in the late 90s it was a whole thing that scared a lot of people. It was a fake documentary movie, which are very popular now, but it was the first of its time of a group of college kids that went on the hunt for, like this urban legend witch and it was terrifying. Because we'll get into this when we do an episode. There was a whole marketing campaign or not campaign, but strategy before it was released to where we everybody thought it was real, like they went into hiding for a month. I know all about it Cause I was. It was one of the people who thought it was real anyway. So they reference it on this. They reference it a lot. It had a lot of the Blair Witch vibes and I was super pumped. I was like, oh, I remember this episode, it was good. It was good.
Speaker 1:Now, not everything in the episode I was a fan of, but I did like the episode. And did you notice the American Eagle logo? Yes, yeah, I have an American Eagle. Yeah, yeah, I noticed that. I also was a little thrown off by both of these episodes and you're gonna laugh when I tell you why I thought I had missed the intro scene both times because I'm so used to it being in dawson's bedroom. Yeah, that, like they like this.
Speaker 1:This scene, the intro scene, was in the video rental store and dawson's working and joey comes in and it just felt like like the meat of an episode, not their little intro thing. So I was like, did I miss it? And nope, then the intro song came on, yeah, and the same thing happened with the next one. I know, but yeah, in that, in that intro, they're at the video rental store, right. So you've got everything which related blair which. But then the crucible is like the classic american literature about witches and salem witch trials. I thought that was kind of fun right off the bat. That joey's looking for that movie and I love how she talked about her attention deficit oh, I know, kept her from reading the book, so now she needed to watch the movie.
Speaker 1:The whole scene in the in the video store was fun. It was, it was. It was sorry, guys, I had to put on chapstick. It's hard to talk when your lips are chapped the whole nostalgia of the video store. Every time they film a scene there I'm like I miss that and it's funny because he's like, oh sorry, someone rented it, I know, like the one copy is gone, so it used to be the worst and therefore you can't watch it. Worse, yeah, or when you'd get tricked Because you remember how they would have like the cases, and they'd have like you know the case, and then the videos would be behind it, yeah, and you would think it was there and then it wasn't there. Yeah, right, I know anyway the sound of the video store of vibes that I miss.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, and eating a lollipop last episode it was popsicles in that hallway at school. Okay, writers, yeah, okay, straight male writers, yeah, that, literally, I like have no words because it's like, and it's always her and I probably wouldn't have picked up on it if we wouldn't have just watched it. I think that's what's interesting. On the rewatch yeah, because you would have had at least a week, maybe longer. Yeah, there wasn't like an episode right after it and it makes no sense. No, why the fuck is she eating a lollipop? I mean, she can, I guess, I know, but I know what you mean. Like, why her? Why in that scene, like walking down, like the other episode, yeah, walking down the hall eating a bomb pop at school. Yeah, did you just munch on lollipops at school? I don't know. Maybe I mean I snacked at school, but but yeah, it was just like a common thing.
Speaker 1:Also, when you're a teenage girl, I mean, I know I was very self-conscious about, like, what I was eating and what I was putting in my mouth around other people. Totally, yeah, it was weird. It was weird. What do you got on your mind? I just said the thing about American Eagle also.
Speaker 1:And then when Dawson starts to make his documentary and I love how he kept saying, well, blair Witch is not true, mine is real. Yeah, which I get, it was a real approach to what they were doing. But when he starts interviewing people to talk about it and both his parents reference sexual things or making out, his dad's like, wow, that Witch Island is a makeout spot, and his mom's like, wow, that that witch island is a makeout spot. And his mom's like, oh, that's the first place we made love. I don't know, I just thought it was so funny and it was so just like something like I would do to my kids, like I'd say something like that, maybe not the making love thing, but I'd be like oh yeah, we used to and hang out or go like kiss or I don't know. I just feel like I would embarrass my kids that way. I always embarrass my kids. So I thought that was really cute.
Speaker 1:And then Jen's tirade where she's talking about women getting burned at the stake for being outside the box or comfortable with themselves or their bodies or their sexuality. So true, oh yeah, it still happens, guys. We're not literally being burned at the stake, but give it a few years. It was funny because jen and not jen excuse me, joey and the guys were like oh, at least it's not like that anymore. And I couldn't tell if that was sarcastic or if they were serious, because then they're like. Joey says something like oh jen, I guess it's good that you weren't alive then. And jen's like I know I'd be burned at the stake, which obviously like we're not in mass burning people at the stake. But I was also like but also, is it OK to be that way? I don't know, I'm like, I don't know, like it is OK, but to burn people at the stake, no, no, no. Is it OK to be comfortable with your sexuality and stuff? Oh, I couldn't figure out if they were making a social commentary, like, oh, I see, we still persecute women in different ways for this, or if they were really like, wow, we've come so far. I think it was that. I think it was too Because they had Joey say it Right, which was interesting, right? But anywho, no one was burned at the stake.
Speaker 1:Don't worry, sorry, guys, if you're watching us, I have a stye forming in my eyelid, dye forming in my eyelid. I have, like my body this summer and it's just, it is giving me everything. It's like the delayed stress, probably like your body is cycling through stress and grief cycles and now we're at the like skin components and then that'll pass. And then, well, I say, your hair might turn gray, but you already have that. Well, I mean, my acne is getting better, but you guys, I have three medications I have to use. Lord, this is not stuff we want to be doing in our 40s, I mean. And now my eye's fucked up Like what's going on, what is happening? Oh my gosh, I'm sorry, where are we at? I was just talking about the tirade in the hallway tirade.
Speaker 1:The next thing I have unless you have something before that is pacey's spot on deconstruction of him and jen, because they are. Jen is basically why have we never hooked up? Uh-huh. And then he's like we don't need anything from each other and he explains, like why she went after dawson and then explains why he needed andy and why they don't need each other, right, but you know, he know he missed something. What did he miss? How about? Maybe they're just not sexually attracted to each other? Yeah, did miss that. Just because he's a straight male and she's a straight female doesn't mean they're going to be attracted to each other. That's true. I can think of plenty of straight men who are in my life I am not attracted to in the least, and vice versa. I mean, attraction doesn't always make sense. I don't think it ever makes sense. It's never like a straightforward path. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, he missed that, because do you ever remember? Well, I know you don't have crushes anymore? I have none, although I did admit to one in a text the other day. Yeah, I was surprised you guys didn't call me on that, it was a group. I will let you have your little crush, okay.
Speaker 1:So do you remember, though, because I still get dumb crushes? And thank you to all the people who validated me on our socials when I said that, do you remember when you would get a crush and be like what the hell? Why do I have a crush on this person? Like this makes no sense. That's what I mean. It makes no sense Like I had the biggest crush on Billy Corgan, the lead singer of Smashing Pumpkins.
Speaker 1:Okay, not, which does kind of make sense, but also not really, because if you've looked at any of the other human beings I've been attracted to in my entire life, he is not in any of those boxes. Yeah, literally zero. But I had the biggest crush on him. I would have married him when I was 15. I mean, well, in that I don't have a crush on him now. Right, my 15-year-old brain would have married him later on.
Speaker 1:There we go, there you go, but yes, anyway, no, it totally makes sense. But you're right, I see what you're saying. Yeah, like he was spot on with the rest of the stuff, yeah, and then she even says I thought Dawson was the deconstruction expert. But look at you getting it right. Anyway, I just thought that was good. But did you know where they were going to go once they had that conversation? Yeah, it was pretty obvious. It was pretty obvious, of course, yeah, but also that checks too, for high school. Everybody just kind of dated around your friend group, sure. So that's kind of what happened. That's just what you did, yeah, but since we're talking about Jen and Pacey, this is skipping ahead a little, so I don't know what I was talking about. I guess this is when they get to the island. So I'll wait, okay, because I know you have one.
Speaker 1:Well, all I was going to say before the island is that I would never get on a boat with that guy For real. The boat guy. I was like what, okay, but that's when you were a teenager, you may, I don't know. He was annoyed at them already. He was telling them all this crazy stuff, basically being like you will die. And I was like why are they? And then he's like recording them. Dawson's like do you mind if I record you? He's like only if I can record you, I'm doing a documentary about all the people doing documentaries. And I was like who is this man Like? Why are you getting on a boat and putting your, your life in this guy's hands? I mean, they're teenagers.
Speaker 1:When I was a teenager, especially a teenager in college, I would get in. I would ride in vans with bands to parties, hello, I mean, I have a few stories like that too. So you would have, yeah, and it's supposed to have like teen horror movie vibes. It is when the whole time you're like, why are you doing that? That is so stupid. So that worked, that checked. So see that you do that. It did. I also wrote down oh been.
Speaker 1:When they're on the island, when jen finds the spell book and they say something about when you have a crush on someone, do you call it. But then hang up, oh, yeah, and I was like that's not even a thing anymore. I know, because you can hang up, but they still know it's wild. Yeah, so you could call people pre-caller ID and if you chickened out or changed your mind, didn't want to talk to them, you just hang up. Or if their parents answered, just hang up. They would not know it was you. Well, except during this time there was caller ID. There was, but I don't know how old that spell book. You know she was reading that spell book. I mean it wasn't from the time of the witch, oh, but like it wasn't that old. But I mean you know what I mean. So, yeah, but I just thought that was a funny. Yeah, that was funny because, yeah, you're right, that is gone. Yeah, you can have no anonymous calls, none, yeah.
Speaker 1:So once they were on the island, speaking of jen and pacey, they're walking, having their little conversation in the woods about, yeah, okay, okay, and he said sex is good, love is bad. Yeah, he said that. Let me just also say I was watching this on our big TV in the living room because it's Dawson's Creek, so I was like I swear and like I obviously don't care if my younger kid like comes in. I mean, there's nothing inappropriate, but a 12 year old boy does not want to be in a room with his mother. When teenagers are talking about having sex with each other, and every time I swear, every time the pennant, the pin, the gin and Pacey thing came up, cooper walked in through the room and I was like God and he would look at me like like oh, what are you even doing? But anyway, so that happened, that was the first time it happened.
Speaker 1:But okay, also, what like this is also feeds into the whole um, expected sexual behavior of teens because of like social, like TV, media and stuff. Because I'm like, okay, they're 16 years old, I'm sorry, I don't care how progressive you are and how educated you are, you are not emotionally ready for casual sex yet you are not. You are not emotionally ready for that. And Jen even says like he says something like she does. He says something like casual, casual sex, no feelings involved. And she said but I think she was more being devil's advocate, not being like saying she felt that way. But she was like can you have sex without feelings? She did say something like that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't think. I think adults can. Sure I cannot. I don't think. You've tried. I did in college, okay, yeah, but even then you're basically still a kid then, that's true. Like now, if you were in that situation you probably could. I don't, maybe, but I don't want to. Yeah, that's another thing. So I, but to be said, I have plenty of adult friends who are able to do that and not have the emotional attachment, and that's fine.
Speaker 1:I think your adult brain let me put it that way, adult brains are capable of separating. Teenage brains are not there yet. Their frontal lobes are not complete, right? Well, what I loved was that they were kind of like to your point. They were saying, well, if we say these rules up front, then we'll both be fine, and like believing that just having those in place would fix that. You know, it doesn't matter what you say, right, your feelings gonna feel I totally agree, right, yeah, and I, I, I mean, anyway, I just feel like, you know, I don't. I feel like that's a lot of messaging.
Speaker 1:But also this one, along with teen horror vibes, where there's like all that moral messaging around, like one along with teen horror vibes, where there's like all that moral messaging around, like if you're like you know, when they're having sex in the woods and they get killed first, and I'm like, oh, I wonder if they put that there to kind of go along do you know what I mean? Like in the slasher movies and stuff like that's true. And then later, when they they're not having sex but when they start to make out, is when, like, all the craziness happens. Well, and like you remember in Scream, how they have like the rules of scary movies, they're like don't have sex because you'll die. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, that's another one we need to rewatch and we should do that this season. That'd be fun. I'll add it to our list.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, speaking, this spell, where is she doing this spell, all of a sudden there's like a million candles lit. She's got ingredients. Candles aren't lit, yet that's when they're in the church. There were candles when she was doing the spell too. Yeah, because I wrote it down. The cauldron was just like a cauldron and she's got like ingredients in it, but it's just them in the gift shop, which I thought was weird. That also, the gift shop was still unlocked when, like, everybody was gone, like the lady who's doing the tours is in charge of it, and she just, yeah, I just I thought that was weird, but anyway it was, it was still funny. And then she, she takes some and she makes pacey take some, but she's like you don't have to swallow the branches. Yeah, I thought that was funny too, but anywho, oh, and I just said dawson's polar fleece vest, yeah, loved it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I love every second of it. Do you remember that was the old navy, like day? Remember going to the old navy and getting the polar fleece? I can only imagine how much money they made. Oh, my god, everybody had, and you had multiple ones, you had multiple colors, you had the vest, you had the jacket, like all the things.
Speaker 1:And listen, listen, I lived in Louisiana you don't need polar fleece often. I mean it's kind of like Florida, it gets cold sometimes, but like you could have a little sweatshirt and be all right. But I had the polar fleece. I mean I was in Indiana at the time so I actually wore mine. I mean I kept mine forever, actually wore mine. I mean I kept mine forever. I think even when I moved to Florida for years I still had some and eventually. Eventually you wash them enough times. They're from old Navy and they're polar fleece.
Speaker 1:They fall apart. Like I don't have any now. None of the OGs, at least. That'd be great if you showed up like next time Look, I bet my dad does. That'd be amazing Because my dad is one of those. We would never know what to get him, so we would just get him stuff like that. And I swear, within the last couple of years I've seen him in one of those, like if I just went to his closet, I think I, I'm serious Like he keeps it all and it never falls apart. It's crazy. So I don't know. I should have looked for that when I was home. Anyway, I love it. Okay. So I put I did write down blech.
Speaker 1:The Joey Dawson saga continues again. Oh yeah, this was when I remember starting to get annoyed about it. Okay, when I watched the show back in the day, I was like, oh my God, like y'all need to just make up your damn mind. But also, it goes along with teenagers, it does they be flip-floppy? They do it's real behavior, but it's fatiguing, I think, as a listener. Oh, I also wrote down bad mixtapes. When they're talking about the rules, jen and Pacey, and she's like no bad mixtapes and he's like I hate those. Oh my God, I used to make mixtapes all the time. Yeah, and they're not bad, they're amazing, we love us a mixtape.
Speaker 1:And then did you catch when Joey said the line I'm sufficiently wigged, I missed. When joey said the line I'm sufficiently wigged, I missed it. That was so great. That was when, like scared, yeah, okay, like you know people who say I'm wigged out, oh yeah, that's what it reminded me of. But she just said, okay, I am sufficiently wigged and I was like that is something I've not heard in a really long time. I knew what she meant, though I was like, yeah, I missed that. You should be. Oh, this was a question.
Speaker 1:I had, like I don don't know, 75% done with the episode? If that was the church that caught fire, did they rebuild it? That's what I thought too. Everything inside looked old, but why is it still standing? Why is that part of the magic that they all died but the church is still okay? So the fire was just to kill them? Maybe that's it, I don't know. It just hit me. I was like wait a minute, did they say any? I guess they didn't address that. No, no, they never did, but also okay.
Speaker 1:So pacey and jen kissing was funny because at first, because they did it once and they were like, well, they're like that's weird and they're like, well, let's try it again. Yeah, I think jen even says try again. And then it was like it looked like it was better, but then everything then looked like it was on fire. So like that, that's probably your sign from the universe. Like if I was going to smash your eye and, uh, ghost started hollering and ghost bells were going and you thought you were on fire, I'd probably be like you know what? That's not the one. I don't always believe in signs, but that that's a pretty big one. That's a pretty big one. Yeah, the witch is telling you. No, ma'am, I didn't have a whole Okay. So then I put I loved when they're showing the VHS tape at the end, class, yeah, and the spooky ending versus the two people on there, yeah, and it's like okay. And then Dawson didn't even notice that and it was like one of the people sitting there was like, yeah, well, what's that? And I'm like, yeah, you know Dawson would have seen that, yeah, but I loved it. I thought that was fun.
Speaker 1:And that particular character she was in the episode twice because he interviews her for the documentary. Yeah, because I remember thinking, oh my goodness, a character of color, yeah, but then it was like in a collage of things, but then she was also the one that like remembered it. At the end I was like, hey, you go like person who could put that on your resume, like two or three or four. Yeah, episode seven, what so? What was the deal?
Speaker 1:And maybe we're not supposed to know when the tour guide kind of appears before everything weird happens. I think we're supposed to think she's doing it. She's a witch ghost, okay, I hadn't thought of that. I thought of that the very first time I watched it, that she's like embodied, and I remembered it as soon as I saw her and then, when I was rewatching, I was thinking, if she was the witch ghost, this would make sense. Why she's talking to Joey like this, why she's defending the witches, why she's telling them not to do this? Okay, okay, so we're supposed to believe she's a witch ghost.
Speaker 1:And then, of course, they happen to be there on the anniversary of the fire. Well, he did that on purpose, right? Oh, did Dawson go on the anniversary on purpose? Maybe he did, and I missed that early on. But they discover it when they're reading that diary. Oh, maybe, maybe, okay, they're reading Mary's diary and it's like her last entry, right, and it's. And she's like, oh, it was November, blah, blah, blah. And Jen's like that's today, november 10th, november 10th, that's right. And Jen's like that's today. And Joey's like, yeah, it's also the anniversary of the fire. I was like whoa, but that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:You know how I turn on the closed caption, yeah, so I don't know if you caught this, but I caught it because of closed caption, like you were just talking about on the screen, where it's like the figures, and then later Dawson's looking at it again, maybe, yeah, yeah, him and Joey are looking at it again and it's like ending the episode and it's kind of like zooming back. There was a closed caption and you could barely hear it and a voice said watch out, watch out. And so I like went back like 10, 20 seconds and as it's pulling out and he's like playing the tape, you can hear on the tape someone says out and he's like playing the tape. You can hear on the tape someone says creepy. But I wouldn't have caught it if I didn't have a closed caption. See, oh, that's fine, I wouldn't have heard it. And I was like, oh, my god, creepy that. Oh, I like that. Oh, yeah, also, we got to talk about just real quick, I didn't put two and two together and so I watched.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh, andy, with her like stuff, she's on her own witch hunt at school. Oh, I was like, was like, why do they keep this? I was like it doesn't make sense that she's like her storyline is not making sense with this one. I was like, oh, I see, because she was on her own witch hunt, like busting people for all the roles, that actually makes a lot of sense. Because I also was sort of like okay, can we get back to the spooky stuff? Yeah, like who, yeah, like, who cares that? Andy's like citing people for wearing sandals, but I think that's because that's what the witch hunts were. They were ridiculous. And the principal even says that was written in 1957 or whatever. And she's trying to yeah, because it was like ridiculous stuff you'd get in trouble for right as a woman and then you'd get get accused. I mean, it was hysterical, it was ridiculous. It was ridiculous, it was patriarchy. All right, all right. So that's all I have for that one, me too. Okay, cool, let's move on.
Speaker 1:So now we're on episode eight. Guess who's coming to dinner, which I thought was a weird title, because do you remember this movie from way back? It has nothing to do with that. It's a whole movie about like race and about interracial relationships, and I was like that was that was poor titling. Yeah, I didn't like it. Yeah, I didn't like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this summary was jen's mom makes an unexpected appearance for thanksgiving. I completely forgot that bitch even came back. Really, I don't remember this episode at all. Me either. I vaguely remembered the witch one, so I must have seen parts of it, either then or like over the years.
Speaker 1:But this one, but I will say I absolutely love Thanksgiving. I'm more nostalgic at Thanksgiving than I am at like Christmas time. That's so crazy. Yeah, because you know I hate Thanksgiving. I did not know, maybe I just you know I hate Thanksgiving, I did not know Maybe. So what? Why do you love it and why are you nostalgic?
Speaker 1:I think, I don't know. I just think it's where I grew up, christmas was already so cold and miserable and Thanksgiving was kind of the beginning of that season, so you were still excited about it. Obviously it kicked off the holiday season and in our house it was a huge family holiday, meaning like extended family would come to our house. It was a huge family holiday, meaning like extended family would come to our house, and I just remember every year being prepared for like everyone to come, and if it was our cousins from kentucky, they would stay at our house and we didn't live by any of our cousins, so it was like a big deal to get to like all hang out, we all played games and I just remember that and even now, like with my own family, I always look, really, really look forward it. So when this one was on but it wasn't it didn't look very cold there. Well it's, it's the East coast, so sometimes it's chilly and sometimes it's not. Yeah, it was like really good weather.
Speaker 1:I hate Thanksgiving. Well, we don't have, like my family is very broken branches and we don't have big family. We didn't live by family, I don't know my cousins. Well, that was never an aspect for why. I like holidays, cause that just wasn't a thing Right, like when you have big family like that. We didn't have that.
Speaker 1:But I also don't like Thanksgiving food Cause it's all bland white people food. Oh, I love Thanksgiving and I you're from the Midwest and I'm a bland white person, so I will claim it. I wasn't, I will claim it. I am also a bland white person. But I don't enjoy the food my people make. I just I do not and like I don't I. So I, as a kid and I'm not a picky eater I will eat it. Like if I came to your house, I would eat it up. It's fine, of course, but that's not what I would prefer to eat. Like I love. I love when I go to someone's house and they like make alternative Thanksgiving food and I'm like, yes, my husband's the same way, but Troy loves it because he loves bland ass food. Bless him. To all get out. I don't, but I like. I like Thanksgiving, he loves it. He also loves it. He loves Thanksgiving more than Christmas for the food and the football. He likes the football. I also don't like football, Not football.
Speaker 1:Also, the origins of the holiday piss me off so badly. I don't like that. We have a whole national holiday celebrating lies. I agree with that. Did you ever watch Adam's Family, the movie? Yeah, okay, and where Wednesday burns up everything? Yes, I'm like that's how I feel on Thanksgiving. I just I just now granted, you can turn it into something different, right, I get it. Plenty of people do this, but I just. That's the reasons why I don't like it. I get it, I'm a Grinch, I'm a turkey Grinch, turkey Grinch, I like it.
Speaker 1:But I love Christmas and I like Christmas too, just not as much as and I think Thanksgiving much as and I think thanksgiving for me now, as a mom too, does kick off christmas for me, where I think when I was growing up there was like more space between the two. It was more like thanksgiving said you have a little time, then you start preparing for christmas. But now it's kind of yeah, yeah, I mean, and my husband loves christmas, yeah, so like thanksgiving weekend, the trees are up oh, mine is too. That's what I do. On on Black Friday he's hanging lights and I mean I don't mind. I'm like, okay, let's just be very celebratory as long as we want, but I love Thanksgiving, well, anyway. Okay.
Speaker 1:So go to Katie's house for Thanksgiving. Yes, come over, come over. If you have to pick, go to her on Thanksgiving. Yes, come to me on Christmas. I love that. And my husband's the same way. He doesn't like turkey, like none of it, none of it. Yeah. So if we go to his mom's and I'll even do it at our house, but she'll make him like shrimp and fish and like I'll eat whatever people make she makes really good mashed potatoes. Like I am not a picky eater. Literally, I will eat whatever you put in front of me and if I don't have to make it, it's great. I'm eating it. Well, that too, ate cooking and and I don't mind making thanksgiving food because I enjoy the holiday, but my mother-in-law really likes to do it. I've just kind of good if we're in town and she's in town because she has family other like she has kids other places, so sometimes travels we let her do it and you're right, it tastes great and I'll be like I make a corn casserole that everyone really likes. So I'll be like like they're like. Oh, can you make that? Can you bring a pie? Yeah, wonderful, we go, we eat her food, love it, it's perfect.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what's funny is? Troy likes Thanksgiving food but he does not. There is some traditional Thanksgiving food that I do enjoy, like and he hates it. Oh, so I love green bean casserole. Oh, okay, I got that. He is like appalled that mushrooms exist. Then you have like cranberry, what anything? He does not like cranberry. Oh, I love cranberry. He also does not enjoy sweet potatoes. I love sweet potatoes and I will eat a whole ginormous. He doesn't like marshmallows either. So if you make the sweet potato with the marshmallow, he will not touch it. He's not a big fan of pie. He'll eat pumpkin pie. It's weird. You like Thanksgiving food but then not really. It's interesting, let's move on.
Speaker 1:We talked about that for a while. I do love Thanksgiving. I liked when they were grocery shopping. It was Jen and Pacey, pacey's like, when I said we should hook up today. This is not what I meant. I just thought that was really cute anyway, that they were doing that. And then, of course, like Jen's mom. Okay, so this is my, this is my thoughts on Jen's mom, her mom just showing up after not. First of all, she didn't tell anybody she was coming, right, she's been absent, told her daughter not to come home when she tried to come home and was having a hard time. So now she's just gonna show up and people are like jen, give her the benefit of the doubt. No, like I know, I just did not like that and I even at the end and the only reason I'm skipping to this now is because we're talking about this when her and jen have that heart to heart I thought that the mom's, everything the mom said was so weak.
Speaker 1:It was so weak. She was like I did it for you because you know how your dad is, and I'm just like, and that's like, and Jen's like well, why don't you get divorced? Oh, you know, I can't cop out. Like me, and I'm like this is stupid, like these excuses are the weakest ass excuses I've ever heard in my life and Jen's better off without her. I mean, I don't know, I just live, yeah, but then I like when Joey was talking to she's talking to Dawson and she I think it was Dawson, and she said we're all strangers to our parents.
Speaker 1:I loved that and I was like you know, that's true, even as adults, and Even as adults and even. But then you think about it with your kids and I'm like, well, it's probably true, because who my kid is when he's at your house is different than the kid he is when he's at home. Do you know what I mean? I mean, all people are like that, right? Yeah, so, and also because you're supposed to be a parent and not a buddy, right, there should be things that your your child, even as they're an adult, even if you grow into more of a camaraderie, whatever, there's still things they're going to keep to themselves. I don't ever want to know about my children's sex lives, oh my God. No, no, never. I just want to make sure you're safe and okay, I don't need to know details, but you would tell your friends. No, I agree with that. I agree, I thought that was an interesting way to look at it.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I think partly because of my age. Now, too, I do kind of think I'm the same person in every space, even with my parents, but I remember being younger, like if my parents were going to come, like I had to like, like, make sure, like the house was a certain way and I looked a certain way, and really make sure they knew I was like really doing great, even if even in college I was struggling or something. I'm less like that now. Well, you're the same person, but there's probably things you just don't divulge. Sure, right, like I was even thinking about that when she said that and I was driving here thinking about watching this episode, I was like you know, I try to be the same person, like my personality is my personality and I say what I want wherever I am.
Speaker 1:There are times when you're obviously the parents of some things, and you can probably relate to this as well. I was thinking there's times when I'm around certain people who I feel like they don't know me as much as other people do because they are a bigger presence when I'm in the room and so they don't see, like you know, I do, like it's not that I'm not being myself, it's just they are this big, huge thing and they're not really paying attention. Does that make sense? It does, yeah, and I think that that can be said in this circumstance too, because you know, somebody may say oh my gosh, katie, you're so funny, like every time we're together you're hilarious, and then other people, if you're in another space, may not give you the space to be funny. And it's not that you're not still funny, and it's not that you're not yourself, it's just it doesn't come out there. Which can happen with parents, and I think maybe with Jen, that's what's happened is her mom let her all her bullshit take over and then she put her shit on Jen too. Right, right, I know, I know. And also I was surprised her mom looked like that. No, because the picture was totally different. It was a totally different look, I know and I'm not saying she had to be blonde, because then when I looked at the mom and looked at Grams they looked a lot alike. Yeah, but I was just like that's what her mom looks like, I know.
Speaker 1:Also, I'm sorry I don't usually throw shade to people's acting, but that actress was terrible. She wasn't very good. She was like no facial expressions. She was like Jen, like it was so bad. I she was like Jen, like it was so bad, I don't even know. Yeah, I actually looked her up in my little extra thing to see what else she was in and I didn't recognize any of it.
Speaker 1:Well, big shock there, her movie stuff had ended in like 89. And that was like the last thing. There were like three or four movies she was listed on, but I didn't click through to see like, was she an extra, was she a lead? I have no idea. Not good, she was not great, it just was a very flat, flat, right, right, what? Maybe that was purposeful? I don't think so, because I was. When I noticed it, I was like paying attention to the lines and stuff and I'm like you could have delivered that way different. Now, granted, that's kind of her director's fault if they didn't. They didn't give her more. Tell her to fix it. That's true, that's true. Does she ever come back? I don't remember. Okay, this is where I start forgetting what is happening Exactly. Maybe I missed a lot of this season. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I had a question why did Dawson need to go change when Gail's like Dawson, you should go change? He was just in like a normal sweater and she said, oh, you have a new sweater. I wrote that down. And then later, yeah, and later he changes into basically the same shirt, I know, and I was like like he wasn't in pajamas. She's like, oh, dawson, why don't you go on and get changed? And wasn't in pajamas. She's like, oh, dawson, why don't you go on and get changed? I'm like into what? Like an evening gown. This is what he always is wearing, and then the other outfit that he put on is also what he's always wearing. They were sitting outside. It was weird, right? Yeah, I thought that was strange, okay, and I hate Thanksgiving guys, but I do love when people do like they did with their circle of thanks.
Speaker 1:I love that too. I do love that and I like it when people have Thanksgiving gatherings and they have people say something they're thankful for for the year, whatever. I do really like that. I think that that is important because we don't stop often enough and do that or say thank you to people. And when we do it like, we do it obviously at Thanksgiving, but just within our own family, when it's a birthday, when we have our little dinner, that's just the seven of us like no grandparents, no friends, no boyfriends, girlfriends it's just a seven.
Speaker 1:Everyone goes around and says something they like about the person and appreciate, and our kids kind of like, make fun of it. They're like oh God, do we have to say what we like about Aaron or like whatever dad? But they always say things that surprise me, yeah, yeah. And I feel the same way about the thankful stuff. Yeah, you will get like a few folks that are like, oh, just for family, but someone somewhere always says something that you're like oh, wow, like they noticed that thing, yeah, like my kids sometimes, or my in-laws, or my husband even, and I'll be like, wow, that I didn't know. We felt like that, and so it's kind of I you know, I've tried to do that with my three people in my house and they just started into a joke Like we've tried to do it's hard being the only female, it's just, it is, it's rough, cause I'll be like, oh guys, we should do this. And they're like, oh my God, and they're adults maybe. But see, that's a good memory too. I mean, well, that didn't really happen. But I'm just saying like then I get annoyed and irritated and Troy gets mad. He's like you know, your mom's just trying to do something. Stop making fun of mom. She's just trying to be nice. I love that, jesus.
Speaker 1:I loved that Pacey brought the cranberry sauce in the brown bag. Yeah, but you know what? That's the kind of cranberry sauce I know a lot of people prefer the canned. I don't. I don't make it. The canned stuff tastes great. I we had a friend whose husband made this cranberry sauce with port wine sauce, cranberry with port wine. It was so freaking good Really. Oh, my gosh, I have to look that up. I need to get the recipe.
Speaker 1:I love cranberry sauce but I usually just go get the can, just because I like a little bit. I like it with like other stuff. I don't like the gelatinous. Okay, it reminds me of Jell-O mold, yeah, and you don't like Jell-O mold? I mean I'll eat it, but it's not my thing. I just. It's just a weird.
Speaker 1:I used to love Jell-O when I was a kid, but like not so much now. Jell-o's not my favorite either. Like, if I have a choice, does anybody love Jell-O? My father-in-law makes a really good Jell-O mold. He either makes it with cherry, he still makes it. It's funny because my mother-in-law makes all the food all the time, but if there's a family occasion thanksgiving is one he will do it. That is adorable. It's really good. He'll either do like cherry with banana or orange with banana banana, and everybody eats it. Well, that's a little different, because there's like seven. That was. That makes me think of christmasation, with the cat food oh God, yeah, thankfully he doesn't like that. And Uncle Eddie's crutch, thank God. And he's like mm-mm-mm, give me some more of that Jell-O mold or whatever he says. Oh my gosh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:The last thing I had was the Alana song at the end, I know, and they used it again, but I'm glad that they did was perfect, that I would be good, so good, so good. What did I say? I said jen's mom. Oh, same thing. Jen's mom looks like graham, but not jen. Okay, we did that. Strangers to our own parents, that's what you had.
Speaker 1:Oh, when dawson confronted jen's mom. So remember how you said sometimes you feel like you relate to different characters. Oh yeah, are you? I had a moment where I was like, okay, I think sometimes I am Dawson because that's something I would have done at that age. Would you really confronted a parent? Probably Somebody else's parent? Probably, really, yeah, but because I would have thought I was like it's my duty, got it. I think I just and even as an adult I have worked really hard not to do this now get into other people's business, but I would. I'd be like, well, you should do this or you should do that.
Speaker 1:And so when he was confronting Jen's mom and being like you need to do this, and dah, dah, dah, dah dah, I was like, is he out of line? Yeah, I think he was. He's a kid, I mean she should. But who are you to like, walk into this situation and be like I demand that you tell her. You know, yeah, I mean he's a teenage boy, yeah, and she's a grown-ass adult, that's just. I mean she is trash. She was treating, of course, her daughter like trash, but I think he it was not his place, maybe not to lean into. It was her mom's place. Yeah, grams needed to step in and say I'm literally raising your teenage daughter that you discarded. Maybe let's chat before you just show up at my house. Agree, agree. And then I was actually surprised that Jen's mom then talked to her about it. Right, I thought that was weird, weird. I mean I'm glad she did, but I don't know. It was strange. I said the same thing about what they're thankful for.
Speaker 1:Another really good line from Dawson was the only homes we have we make ourselves. I learned that in therapy. All right, well, my therapist one of my favorite ones that I've had for my life. She told me she said you need to spend your energy on the house that you and your, on the home you and your husband, are building, not physically, guys, but like she's. Like that's where your energy needs to be. Yeah, those, those four people are those, well, the four people in your home. That's where your energy needs to go first and that's where you need to spend it and make that your family right. Anyway, I had a lot of family tumultuous stuff instead of story, but so, no, I that that like that family's needs and because we we had like some drama with people coming at a holiday and it was causing extreme stress and anxiety and kind of for all of us in my house. And she said then you have to set that boundary, because if all four of you are feeling some kind of way, that's what you need to tend to first. Yes, not how all these other people feel. Right, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:But I also think that what I really thought of when he said that line was like that we have different homes too. Oh, yeah, right, like the homes we cultivate in theater or even here at my studio or even our podcast base. Yeah, you know, like things that we build and some of them overlap and maybe some of them don't, but that it's, there's a lot of value in that, and that those, like you just said, obviously you can't focus on all 10 of those spaces all at once, trust me, and they're priority levels, right, but I think to your point, within that home, like you don't have to then also worry about all the people outside that circle, like the people that want us to throw pies at each other. They're on the outskirts. I'm sorry, that was a weird thing to pull in here, but, okay, I was thinking about the podcast family and I was like I don't think they're part of our family. I think they're looking in the window. Agree, agree, ag, agree, agree, agree. Well, I hope they're getting a good view. Obviously not. Obviously not. They want our faces, yeah, okay. Well, that is a good place to end it.
Speaker 1:I would assume the next episode is Christmas themed or we're getting close to Christmas. I guess we'll find out. Yeah, we'll find out. But this was fun, a back-to-back spooky slash Thanksgiving. I liked it. July, it's July. It is July now. Wow, it's here. All right, guys. Well, thanks for listening and we'll catch you on our next Dawson's Creek or any of our episodes. See you next time. Bye.
