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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek S3, E5 & E6: Popsicles and Lies
Temperatures rise and so do the untruths in S3, E5 & E6 of Dawson's Creek, "Indian Summer" and "Secrets and Lies." Eve is still here but we learn something intriguing about her backstory -- and have fun revisiting the 90's references throughout both episodes.
We're rewatching Season 3 on Amazon Prime and Hulu.
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Hello, welcome back, generation in between, to our Nostalgic or Problematic series where we are re-watching the Zinnial classic Dawson's Creek. And we are on season three and we're moving right along. We have stuck to our two-episode review, yes, even though we did miss a few weeks, but that's okay, we're back on track. We're back and look, if you're listening to this in a year you didn't even know that, correct, you're just listening to two at a time and it doesn't matter. And you're done. Traveling for the summer? Right, I am, I am too, hopefully, yeah, I don't know. But well, sort of you have to take your. We'll have started by then, that's true. Yeah, it's a school year, it's coming, I know, I can't believe. It's like almost July, it's coming, guys, july 4th is next week, I know. And then Cooper turns 13. Oh, yeah, when's his birthday, july 20th? Oh, everybody out there knows now. Yeah, he'll be 13 that day and his name. So it's like we have one out the door and starting all over. Oh man, here come the teen years. Yeah, here we go. Anyway, so we are on season three, episode five called Indian Summer, yes, which we're going to talk about that, because it's just a weird concept for the show. It is Okay.
Speaker 1:The summary is hold that thought. As Dawson tries to uncover the mystery surrounding Eve, joey's boss turns his attention to Andy. So what were you going to say? I was just going to say I was like what time of year is it supposed to be? I never know. I know they went back to school not that long ago. Isn't an Indian summer weather related technically, like when it's unseasonably hot in the fall? Yes, so that's what made me like, oh, I guess it's the fall, but it took me a second. I was like what time of year is this? But yeah, it's usually like it's, it's gotten cooler, right, and then it like pops back up unexpectedly and listen, they made it very clear how hot it was, with everyone sweating and eating popsicles.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, there were so many pops, so many, so many eating popsicles and bomb pop. When jen had that bomb pop in the hallway and she's like you guys want to lick, I was like where did you get that? Let's just talk about the popsicles. Okay, let's do it, why not? What? Who the hell walks into school eating a popsicle? She said the ice cream man was outside. Oh, yeah, she didn't say that. She's like hey, ice Ice Cream Man's outside, guys, what? And then also guys, they live in Massachusetts. It does get hot there. They're acting like they've never been hot in their life.
Speaker 1:Well, I had that thought when Pacey was up in Dawson's room in the intro and at first I was like, why is he sweating? Before they explained it, everyone was so sweaty. But then I'm like, well, when it was like end of summer or whatever they weren't I know, do they not have air conditioning? Well, they probably don't. Okay, but why weren't they hot before? Exactly, right, yeah, it was just oh, someone's playing piano next door. What is that? Y'all don't hear that noise. No, they can't hear it. I heard a a little dingy, ding, ding and I was like what is? What is that? I didn't know anybody else was here. Yeah, gina's here. Hey, gina, you'll hear this. Hey, girl. Um, anyway, the popsicle, the sweating also. It was funny because, like, all the girls would be all sweaty here, but not on their face. Yeah, because they had their makeup on, uh-huh, and then the guys would just be sweaty everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even though it was super freaking hot, dawson still kept his two shirts on the whole time, the whole time. But I have to say that is. That is like a sign of the times, because Troy used to wear two t-shirts, two shirts all the time. Like you know, I I get like having an undershirt with like a button up shirt and I mean Dawson's makes kind of sense. But but why? When you just throw a t-shirt on, you gotta put on your flannel whatever. But we used to laugh at him, at troy, because in around this time frame he would go outside to like mow the grass and bitch would wear two t-shirts. We're like what are you doing? Why are you doing that? But he was just so used to wearing like two shirts all the time. It's just a comfort thing.
Speaker 1:I mean, look at me, I'm in a sweatshirt. I know I am in shorts, though you can't see them on the video. So cute. I'm not used to seeing katie in shorts because she doesn't usually wear them, but she has on jorts and they're adorable, they're super comfy, but I am in long sleeves. That was more because I grabbed a t-shirt today and then I remembered us saying we were trying to do more like just plain colors, and I think it was like a show shirt. So I had like a logo and stuff and I was just like running out the door so I just grabbed the first like relatively plain colored thing I could find, but also a sweatshirt.
Speaker 1:You're a sweatshirt girly, I like sweatshirts. It'll be 98 degrees and I'll be like coming up in the studio dripping with sweat and Katie's like a sweatshirt, like a sweatshirt, and I'm like I am so hot. But I mean, if you're inside and the AC is on, but kind of to your point, like with the Troy thing, it's a comfort thing, not a temperature thing. And really anywhere I go in Florida I can adjust the AC to like my comfort level. I'm not really ever hot inside, unless I'm at your workout class. Yeah, it's hot in there and I would not wear a hoodie to that, that would be really stupid. But I would wear it when I leave, probably. And to the next place I go I'm always well okay, I also am always cold. I don't like extreme temperatures. That's really what it is, got it.
Speaker 1:So in the summer, like I can't even go to, like Cooper and I have gone to universal a couple of times Cause we have, like these military tickets. I cannot wear a shirt with sleeves, it's too hot. Like Cooper's, like you always wear a tank top. I was like, because I am hot, like I can't stand it. I need to be a little close as possible. I do not care what weird things you're seeing on my legs, right, I do not care. Yeah, like, do you know what I mean? Yeah, cause I'm so hot, and then I'll like fixate on how hot I am. The opposite happens in the cold. Yeah, I just I can't. I will wear 60,000 layers, cause I cannot. That reminds me I have to say, oh, that picture of me when I had, like when I was home in Indiana last week I brought back a bunch of pictures I haven't had time to go through yet, so that'll be fun.
Speaker 1:But there was this one of me in like my kitchen growing up and I had on like the PJ, pants and a sweater and I was wearing like a hat, like an outdoor stocking cap, and I had these big like puppy slippers on. I was probably like 15 maybe in the picture and I'm holding like a hot cup of something and I was like, look at me when I was cold. I was like, well, you did live in the Midwest and it is cold AF. There it is. I wore a jacket inside all the time. Yeah, anyway, it's cold. It's cold. We're talking about old lady stuff again. We're going to move on.
Speaker 1:Okay, popsicles, oh, walking down the hall, the hall, and who? Who just walks up to a random kid that you don't know very well being like, do you want to lick my popsicle? I know that was weird. I didn't like that. That's the straight man. But I also think she was just messing with him. I know she knows he's not going to and like he gets tongue-tied, but yes, and also, eve is still here. Yeah, although this was an interesting episode, I know. Did you laugh, though, when she said Sweet Valley High extras? Uh-huh, oh, and I was going to look up if anyone else in Dawson's was ever on Sweet Valley High? Oh, because I wondered if the joke even went that far, because obviously she was. But I wondered if any of the other actors had been on the show or something. That'd be funny, that'd be really funny. That'd be a good little insider joke. Yeah, that was a good line. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:So Joey's boss. Obviously he's a skeez, rob, rob, is that his name? Yeah, rob, that's just a skeezy name. Yeah, that's my brother's name. Well, I also know a nice person named Rob, but, like, not everybody named Rob is skeezy, but it just for him. For him it fits. It's like when we were watching Goonies and the bully's name was Troy. My husband his name is Troy was like why are all the bullies in eighties movie named Troy? I was like or Blaine, troy and Blaine but Rob, or Biff, or Biff, that's it. Those are the only three options. But I don't know.
Speaker 1:Rob, obviously he's gross, like he is gross. And how old is he supposed to be? I don't know. That's what I was trying to figure out, because in college, because, okay, because joey makes that comment, ask me in two years, when I'm legal, when he's like trying to like get her to go to a movie or whatever. But then I was like I mean fair, even if he is only 18 or 19. But then I was like is he like 20, is he 25? Like, how old is this man? Well, I thought I remembered. Nah, see, I'm wrong, because I was gonna say I thought I remembered when she started working there. He was saying he was home for the summer, but that would make sense because he'd be gone again. He'd be gone again, but still, yeah, he's gross and whatever, yeah, and then, um, he takes andy out. Yeah, on the next one. No, that's this, that's this one.
Speaker 1:But speaking of dating, I did not like how jack and henry to trick Jen into a date and Jen said all the right things she did. She's like it's supposed to be a consensual thing. You dumbass, like, yeah, like she says that to when she sees Henry. She's like just a tip for dating. One, it's consensual. Two, you prepare ahead of time. Yeah, so next time just ask me yeah, it's like duh, what were they thinking? But he's so cute, he's adorable, and I know they did it with like good intention. But like, no, she's totally right now. And to spring that on someone, I don't know, it's not good. Not good, although something that was good.
Speaker 1:All like the nineties references, like they had a lot of funny. Like Henry said talk to the hand. Yes, he did, did. Did you see that? Joey said something about being overwhelmed by the scent of ck1 ck1. Yes, I was gonna ask you if you heard that. And then, like somebody had a South Park reference yes, it was. I think it was. Am I Jack? Was it? Maybe it was Henry? And then, um, they also talk about Ben Affleck. Yeah. And then when they go to the movies, the movie Blue Streak, yes, was what they went to see. Yes, it was on the marquee. Yeah, yeah, it was just. That was fun.
Speaker 1:Like I felt like this episode had so much 90s like yeah, culture stuff to look up. Okay, so you know how sometimes I look at the little trivia things that come up. Oh yeah, um, so I this was actually because I forget what I looked up but I looked up some like random trivia on this season and then I found some that like goes over to other ones, but for this season. Do you remember how, when we watched episodes one and two of this season, we were both like it just feels weird and it's a different feel? Well, this was the first season after the departure of the creator Kevin Williamson. Oh, yeah, so I was. I remember what I was looking up. Well, this was the first season after the departure of the creator Kevin Williamson. Oh yeah, so I was. I don't remember what I was looking up.
Speaker 1:So for season three, it was a new head writer showrunner named Alec Ganza, and the writers were so unhappy with him because it was a very non-Dawson's Creek tone. He was fired after the cast complained directly to the network over their storylines well valid. And then, um, tom caponos, who then took over as the showrunner in seasons five and six. So like later called the eve storyline a colossal mistake. Uh-huh, isn't that interesting.
Speaker 1:I was like, okay, so all the things we've been saying, wait, so kevin williamson left. Did he ever come back? I don't think so. No, I don't. I didn't realize. I don't know why he left. I don't know why he left. Well, I think we talked about that a little in our in our first episode where we introduced that we were going to be watching dawson's creek. I think think I did know that he left, but maybe I didn't know from that. So then I found this other one. I can't stop yawning again, guys, every time we get to Dawson's Creek I start yawning. I don't know what the deal is. I know right, you're like thinking of being cozy watching Dawson's Creek. I think I'm just old. So this is kind of a season three bummer in my opinion. Oh no, you might not think it's a bummer.
Speaker 1:Britney Spears was signed for a three-episode arc. She met with the writing team in California and they were set to film it, but unfortunately, due to her scheduling conflicts, they were unable to make it work. Is this around the time she did Crossroads? Maybe because she was supposed to record in 99, right work. Is this around the time she did crossroads? Maybe because it was she was supposed to record in 99, right, it's not around the time. Yeah, I think that came out in 99 or 2000, so I'm sure it was that. Plus she was touring like crazy, so it just scheduling didn't work out. It's hilarious. I was like I never knew that. And if this is your first time here, I'm a britney spears super fan.
Speaker 1:Listen to our britney spears episode. It's like episode two or three, it's way back there, but it's find it. And so I was like man. But then I think it may have ended up. You know what they would have done? They would have just done what they did with Eve, oh yeah, they would probably over sexualized her, oh yeah, and it would have been a whole thing. That would be even weirder because she was, yeah, she was young.
Speaker 1:So anyway, well, and also I just think Eve was a pointless character, like you just said. Colossal mistake, I wrote it down so pointless. Well, so now I guess I don't remember what happens later in the season. So the plot point that involves her in this episode, that spills into the next episode is like I'm like okay, so is that why she's here, or does that never really get resolved? Well, she says in the next episode wow, that's true, that's true. And then I don't remember if she comes back after this. Okay, I guess we'll find out, I don't know, it's just she's annoying. Yeah, I, I, I just think the storyline's dumb.
Speaker 1:And then, of course, they just, yeah, over sexualizing, like when they were following her and they had to show her taking off her shirt like the silhouette, and then she puts on a dress that is see-through, yeah, and strapless, yeah, right, like of all the things. Yeah, I know, I noticed, like how many teen boys were watching dawson's creek. Not many, right, like it was very unnecessary. It was very unnecessary. Oh, and can we talk about the return of pacey's brother? Oh, and the gay jokes come on. Okay, the gay jokes were terrible. Yeah, but he's adorable's adorable, but he's adorable.
Speaker 1:And I liked the scene before Pacey came back and the gay jokes started. Gay jokes started and he was talking to Dawson. He's like Dawson, is there something you want to tell me? And I was like, oh, maybe they're going to like actually have a moment and like get to some sort of whatever. But then Pacey showed up and and he mentioned, like the advocate, which is a like a pride magazine, basically, yeah, my friend used to work for them, cool, cool. I thought it was a cool shout out to it, but I was also like you're using it as a derogatory quote, unquote joke. I, the gay jokes are just dumb. And then he. And then he yells I'm not gay, oh yeah, the gay jokes just get old too. Like, find a different joke.
Speaker 1:Also I forgot to say this in goonies, the poor fat jokes with chunk. They got old, they got that was all they had, that's all they had. And he was. So again, this is in our goonies episode. Make sure you listen. I know, sorry, I had so much else that that was so interesting and funny about chunk, oh, I know, like he was, his personality was hilarious and like his storytelling and his like expressions and even his physical comedy, not because he was chunk, but just because he's got good timing. Yeah, to like keep going back to that was a lot.
Speaker 1:Again, I guess it was the eighties and boys kind of do that. They like hyper fixate on one thing to tease each other about. That's true, they do that I see it in my own house they do. It's just the way it goes. So maybe it was true to life, but either way, either way, listen to that episode. But moving on, that's all I wrote on that episode, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so she kind of, when she came out she didn't have anything or whatever. And so I that was a moment in my brain where I was like, hmm, something's up now with like Graham, cause you didn't remember any of this, I didn't remember it, okay, and I was like something's up because she didn't come out with anything and of all the places to burglarize. But then I also had the second thought to. That was but she's probably just trying to get Dawson's attention, cause she's always trying to do that and she did, and he found her and all the things. So then we find out.
Speaker 1:So Dawson goes on the like houseboat. She's kind of crashed because the people who own it not house, but it's a boat, but she's live in and the people who own it are only there in the winters. So all her stuff's over. I loved all the candy wrappers. There's like peanut m&ms raisin. That girl's not eating that, no, no. But I was also like, wow, she's just there's just stuff everywhere.
Speaker 1:So dawson grabs this photo because he goes in there when she's gone and puts it in his pocket and then they associate the photo. At the end of the episode he's why is he even over there talking to Graham? I don't remember. He's over there for some reason and they're in her bedroom and she's like making the bed and he's in there talking to her. Now that I think about it, why was he there? I don't know, I don't remember. And they're chatting and he sees a photo on her nightstand that matches the woman's photo in his pocket or whatever. And Graham says oh, that's my daughter, jen's mom. So then you're kind of like oh yeah, so Jen has a sister. But then the whole time I'm still thinking is he just still bullshitting her? I know, I don't remember. Can we believe her? I don't remember if she comes back or what ends up happening with that bullshit. Or what ends up happening with that bullshit, I guess we'll find out soon. All right, so moving on to the next episode called Secrets and Lies, and the summary is Jen hosts a tea for Capeside's former homecoming queens. Andy tries to win Pacey back.
Speaker 1:This episode was better than the last, I agree. I thought it was pretty good, okay. But Jen's outfit in the beginning the best she had on those high boots with that long skirt and that sheer three-quarter length sleeve, loved it. It was so probably worse. I was gonna say I definitely wore that. I would wear that today. Yeah, I would too, totally wear that, totally wear it. Super cute.
Speaker 1:The thing I hated about the sheer shirts though I was just talking about being hot yeah, I grew, I grew up in South Louisiana, so it was hot pretty much all the time. When you would sweat it would do weird stuff because it was sheer and it would like stick to your pits. Yeah, it would just look weird, I know. Yeah, you're right, sweaty people problems. Hashtag sweaty people problems. Sweaty mesh, yes, hashtag sweaty people problem. Another sweaty mesh that sounds like a punk band. Sweaty mesh, right, okay, well, if we ever have a punk band, we're ready. That'd be my name If I did drag Sweaty mesh. Wow, you get a lot of people that came to your shows. Well, cause I would have to be a drag King, true, so there's all kinds of stuff I could do with that name, true, stay tuned, stay tuned. The wheels are turning, I know, okay.
Speaker 1:Also, speaking of clothes, american Eagle is the new sponsor. Okay, because I don't know, if you noticed, you can see their logo on at least two or three of their outfits. I didn't notice, but I'll probably see it now On Pacey's sleeve. Remember how it would be like down the sleeve? Uh-huh, yeah, american Eagle has always been big about the words of the company on the shirt. Have you noticed that Aera Pastel is the same way? Yeah, like, I feel like J Crew isn't really like that.
Speaker 1:Abercrombie, abercrombie sometimes Gap, gap does it too. Old Navy does it. Old lady does it too. Yeah, weird, okay, I don't know, I don't really want a logo on my stuff me either. I, I like, I like funny graphic things, although I'm not really a big t-shirt person. As we just discussed, it's tank tops or sweater shirts, that's it. Yeah, I love it. Or blazers, or blazers, or judges robes, exactly, exactly. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so what's the guy's name? The jerk, rob, rob, so there's a whole thing. Yeah, with Andy.
Speaker 1:Yes, so they never say at the end of the episode whether or not she made anything up, I know, but they allude that she kind of did. They allude that she made up an allegation of attempted sexual assault by Rob because she's looking for Pacey's sympathy Mm-hmm Is what we're made to believe as an audience. Well, and she even said at the end to Joey like I want you don't know me, joey Like when I want something, I'm going to get it yeah, so is she saying that going out with Rob the whole time was a ploy to get pacey back? I think she means like making up to get pacey's attention and his like protective nature toward her. Yeah, like that he would be able to see past their issues right in the pursuit of the better, like um, in pursuit of, like defending her honor or something like that. Wow, so that's kind of a lot as a storyline. I don't love that.
Speaker 1:They made anything well and anything that plays into this. Like girls make stuff up, girls make stuff up. Yeah, yeah, I know I don't like. I didn't like that either, because I feel like that's what we fight against so much when nobody believing you and then, like on this popular show, you're having someone deliberately do it. Now are there people that do whatever for attention, particularly if they're desperate to get someone back, of course, but the specific thing that she was being dishonest about I just thought was like and the timing of like the timing like 1999, 2000,. Whatever. I just was like like, and the timing of like the timing like 1999, 2000,. Whatever. I just was like, oh, I don't love it.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's like, yeah, it's just like when that, when a sexual assault situation happens, number one, it's hard enough for people to speak up and tell people that it happened. Second, to get people to believe you and understand that, like Joey was trying to be like you should go to the police and Andy's like well, nothing happened. She's like no, it did. And then also, not only having people to believe you, but feeling brave enough to like say yeah, that was not okay, even though nothing happened, it didn't get to the point that a crime was committed, it still should be reported. I mean it's hard and it's hard to get people to come forward. You know, and listeners know like I listened to true crime and things like that. Don't worry, I'm not going to get into an example, dani, don't worry.
Speaker 1:But a lot of times, something repeating this pattern in a lot of the stories is that people don't speak up and whoever that perpetrator is goes on then to do more things. It's not the original victim's fault at all, but because of that that fear or people aren't going to believe me, or the stigma it allows people to get away with more, which is really unfortunate, I know. So, to Joey's point, if it really was even like a threat of that, it should be reported, even if you're like, well, it didn't whatever. Well, what if the next person's not as lucky Right or you know whatever? So, yeah, that was interesting, I thought it was interesting. Yeah, yeah, that was interesting, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then, you know, whenever she's originally like telling them pacey and joey about the situation, and pacey goes in and clocks the dude okay, I was here for that. I know we're not supposed to support violence, you're. You always support it. If it's pacey, I know, have you noticed that? Well, okay, generally, yes, but also I am not okay with violence unless the person deserves. That guy deserved to be clocked. Well, yeah, well, at that point you think he really has done something. Yeah, also, he was a jerk anyway. Well, he was. Yeah, he was gross and like, especially, like I hated that part where he was like making joy fill up the gas and then he puts a receipt in her pocket, yeah, and like, like, brushes up against her boob, like, yeah, he needs to be punched. Yeah, sorry, I always say I don't believe in violence, but then I'm like, actually I'm okay with that. Like, unless it's rob, I believe in selective violence. So there we go. Selective violence, you're gonna, you're gonna stand on that. I love that. On a happier note, henry is adorable in this episode, so cute, especially when he knows all about the plants I know, so cute. It's like a little dorky side coming through. I mean, he's always a little bit dorky, but like he's so cute, he's so adorable.
Speaker 1:And then I loved that Jen brought the drag queens in. I was going to ask you what you thought of that. I love drag queens very much. I think they are such a fun, amazing, talented group of entertainers that do not get the accolades they deserve. Okay, and to see 90s drag queens I loved it With the 90s wigs and the 90s makeup. I loved it so much. It was so, so good. And she did it for shock value. So part of me was like ugh, you know, like this is what we have to do to like shock everybody oh, I know. But also like it was fun. They looked great, I know. And it is very Jen to be like, oh, you nominated me or I won this thing and I get to like control, something kind of like when she was head cheerleader for way too long, um, but like that, that, like that's the thing she chose, which was kind of fun. Well, sorry guys, see, I told you I yawned during dawson's creek, I don't know. Um, I think also though, because that the old lady was very like conservative stuck in the mud, so she would never, she would be somebody who was scandalized by drag queens, you know what I mean. So that checks, yeah, I mean I think that was like realistic for the time and even for now. For now for a lot of people, but definitely then too. Yeah, and I thought it was a fun way.
Speaker 1:In some ways it normalized that, like you said, that group of entertainers by having them on a show. I wondered, as I was watching it, if they really went out and found Performing drag queens or if they just hired actors and they're like this is what a drag queen looks like. I hope they did. I don't know I. They seemed believable to me, yeah, that they knew what they were doing. I think we would have seen through it otherwise. Yeah, I mean it seemed like they knew what they were doing. Their makeup was on point, although I mean they're on a tv set, but but that's very, um, not very. But it can be specialized makeup so it's not just like any like tv set person could do it. Yeah, so so maybe, yeah, maybe they were like real, real drag queens. I hope so they brought in. I hope so too. That would make that makes all that even more enjoyable. I hope so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, but a sad, the sad scene with pacey and and Andy, and he's like everything's telling me. You're not the one, because if you've ever had that yeah, most of us, if you get to be our age, have oh, it's terrible. It's terrible on both ends. But to be the one that is told that is like it's awful. It's awful. Now she did mess up, which made him question everything in the first place, not not saying it was good, bad, whatever, but like it was her fault that he even had the doubts. And now that they've been living, I mean it was brain, she cheated on him. That's bad. Yeah, she was not. I just mean. I just mean based on all the excuses around, like, like cause she was in whatever place and not at home and you know all the things, but like, yeah, so that that's, that's a hard conversation to be a part of.
Speaker 1:I know For sure she and she, and like you could tell he was upset too, like it was really hard. And you second guess it. I think if you're the person the one saying it, as you're saying it, you're like do I really mean that? Do I mean it? Because it's pretty committal and pretty definite to be like hey, like yeah, I don't, you're not the one. And then they're like, as they're walking away, you're going, but wait, are they the one? Like? You know, I don't believe in just one, but you're not the one for right now, yeah, well, yeah, or you're not. Like I don't want to be in a relationship with you right now. Yeah, that's hard, that well, from like, scene to scene, that like, or showed episode to episode, that like feeling of that.
Speaker 1:I know when relationships just either don't work out because of circumstances or because someone's feelings are hurt, or because trust was broken or whatever, and and that's not just the teens, right, mitch and gail like it's, they do a good job portraying that, I think. Yeah, we didn't even talk about her little storyline. Oh, yeah, the coming back. She's coming back? Yeah, because they said she was too old. She got fired. Interesting, I know. And also, yeah, that happens, hello, women, we fight against it.
Speaker 1:But yet then men on TV can just be old and it's fine. Yeah, it's like there's that old weatherman. I trust him. I don't know why. That was exactly where I went and I can't think of an old weatherman right now. Um, my grandpa was a.
Speaker 1:My mom's dad was a meteorologist in tampa for like a bajillion years. Yeah, that's so fun. Oh, was he old eventually? I mean until he retired? Yeah, see, and everyone's like I love that guy. Yeah, he's old and he tells me the weather. What's his name? George wooten. Well, I mean, he died a long time ago. Okay, maybe we can find some clips of george wooten. I don't, I didn't know him very well, so can't tell you. Can't tell you nothing about him except his name and where he worked, and and there you go, all of that, okay, and his dad was the Kearney, remember? I told you about that. Yes, that we didn't know about. Yeah, so just a family of entertainers. I mean, meteorology is a science, yeah, but to be on like TV, to do it, you also have to have that entertain, entertainer component, I guess.
Speaker 1:So we've got some interesting things happening then, and coming into the next couple episodes, gail's back. You're gonna say something else. Oh, what? Just in general, like, our life is interesting, I don't know. Yes, gail is back, gail's back. We've still got this kind of eve gen thing floating. Um, so did the writers are. So when this happened the drama you said about, did they come in the middle of the season or is it the end? The actors did they complain during the season? It didn't say I'll look into it for the next episode. How much longer do we have to deal with this? I'm going to see if I can find more dirt on that, because this was just like a trivia bullet point. We've got to get to season four. Yeah, yeah, we got to get there. We got to get there, awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you guys for listening to Dawson's Creek. And I was talking to Sarah last night and she was like you guys just give them the most random. Yes, we do. And I was like yeah. And she's like I love it, it's hilarious. And I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1:So even if you're not watching Dawson's Creek currently or have never watched it or whatever, just listen anyway, because you're going to hear all kinds of things. It is always really funny to me when people tell me how they've never watched Dawson's but they listen to every single Dawson's. Yeah, but some people, we have gotten some people onto it, onto it, yeah, some people have started watching it. Was it Jen with one N who was like I try I listen to you guys and so I'm trying to watch it, but it makes me so mad I can't watch it. And we're like I totally respect that and understand like that makes so much sense. It's hard.
Speaker 1:Well, as you know, cause you've watched a lot of things you didn't watch back in the day. If you don't have that nostalgia piece, it can seem like I will never watch. Go more girls. I've never watched. It is not my kind of show, it is not my jam. But I feel like if I sat down to watch it I would be like okay, like because it's not, it wasn't part of a thing for me, right, totally.
Speaker 1:Like you can enjoy something and see past things. I don't mean like excuse problematic things, but I mean like see past, like maybe the not great writing or the plots or whatever, but like because you remember seeing it before, yeah, or the storylines are flooding back to you. Oh, you know what's going to come like what's going to happen. You know what's coming next. Yeah, you know what's going to happen. You can kind of push through that. Yeah, totally makes sense. But she was like I can't do it. She's like no, we're. She was like I can't do it. She's like no girl, we get you, we respect it. That's fine, awesome, all right. Well, thank you guys for listening. Make sure you leave us a review and we'll talk to you soon. Bye.
