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Dawson's Creek S3, E1 & E2: Andie's Homecoming and Hot New Characters
We're back, listeners, with another season of the Xennial teen-angst classic, Dawson's Creek, Season 3. In the first two episodes of the season, Andie returns, Eve arrives and Capeside is all types of topsy-turvy as the Junior year of the cast kicks off.
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Hello everyone, welcome back to our Nostalgic or Problematic series where we are re-watching now season three of Dawson's Creek. We made it through the first two seasons, we are back with season three, and a whole bunch of crazy stuff happens in season three. Yeah, so we'll start with episode one. It's called Like a Virgin and the summary is as such After a summer away, dawson returns to face a decision about. Joey Jen uses cheerleading tryouts to teach someone a lesson.
Speaker 1:Ooh, so, first of all, this seems to be the Dawson's Creek way, and I think a lot of shows used to do this and maybe still do that. It ends in like the springtime, literally when you watch it, and then it starts again in the fall. Well, that's how TV seasons went, because they would do reruns in the summer, right, yeah, so they actually follow that trajectory where we don't see what happens in the summer. It is just now, three months later or whatever, and so we kind of learn what everyone's been up to in retrospect, right, yes, but then, but see, season one did not end like that, remember, that's right, it was the very next day. It was the very next day. Also, this is the only time they've done it so far. Yeah, so far. And then they have to be like. They always have to throw in like weird sentences like, well, you know, all summer long Dawson Joey's been blah, blah, blah, blah, like, just so you know what's going on. Yeah, I know, I noticed that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Brittany Daniels, brittany Daniels, the new hot girl. And I mean I say hot because she says to Dawson, I run hot, I run a few degrees hot, the over sexuality of her, it's a lot, it's so like at first. It's it's like okay, cool, she's like a confident, sexual, older lady to dawson. Not to dawson, I don't mean like in real life, she's in her 20s, but it was. It's like so much, yeah, it was so much. And so he meets her on the bus on the way home from philadelphia because he's been at this what like film camp, school fellowship situation. And so he wakes up and she's next to him and she's telling him that he's drooling in his sleep. And then she touches his hand or something. And then he's like do you have a fever? Or something? And she's like I run a few degrees hot and I was like what's going on with this girl? Is that why they put her in little amounts of clothes as possible. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Her aesthetic, though, was very much like 1999 aesthetic. Oh my God. Troy walked in when I was watching one and he saw her and he was like, oh, you used to wear your makeup like that, see, see, and the like short platinum blonde hair, yeah, and like the little, like the matching crop and skirt Like almost like a pencil skirt, yeah, and like the crop. That was floral, usually with the little spaghetti straps. I never could wear that because I've never had. Like, my stomach's always been a problem area, so I never got to wear that. I don't think I ever did.
Speaker 1:I have pictures of you in crop top, yeah, yeah, I used to wear some crop. You were tan too. I was so tan and blonde. Look at that. That's what I'm saying Tan, blonde, crop top. I mean, I'm still sort of tan.
Speaker 1:I don't deliberately try to be more tan. I'm olive. I protect my skin way better now, but I the blonde was definitely a sign I was blonde too, kind of thing, although I was like super blonde like five years ago, yeah, just because I kind of slowly started going back to it and then eventually, like around COVID, I was just like it's so much upkeep, this is so expensive. I have so much hair and then, as it started to grow out naturally, I was like I like the color of my hair actually and it's fun to experiment, as we've said, the hair, but I'm doing natural. I hate my natural hair. Oh, I love it. It's all right, it is what it is, okay.
Speaker 1:So, brittany Daniels, sweet Valley High, the TV show, her and her twin sister were on yes, yes, and it was funny like I was watching this on Hulu, which, by the way, dawson is expiring from there in like 12 days. He just keeps jumping around, I know, which is even less by the time y'all hear this. Yeah, weird, what are we going to do? I mean so it was on Amazon Prime and then it skipped over to Hulu, so I guess, wherever it goes, we'll grab it, although you keep paying for it. I've been paying for. I paid for all of season two on Amazon, even though it's free, I guess, see, I will not pay for something extra if I'm already paying for something else that has it. Here's the deal Convenience At 4.30 or 5 in the morning, when I'm usually watching these.
Speaker 1:I can't remember my dang Hulu password. No one's awake to help me. Can't remember my dang Hulu password. No one's awake to help me and I forget to ask later in the day for the next time and Prime will be like do you want to pick up where you left off? And I'm like for $1.99,. Yes, I do, take me where I need to go and they do. That's so funny and it's awesome. Well, I don't do anything at 4.30 in the morning. Maybe it'll go back to prime, it might. That'd be great, that'd be. Maybe it's going to disney plus. That's where everything goes, true, although they own hulu. So, yeah, wrong, wrong, all right. Well, anyway, moving on. Okay, boo, boo, boo. The fat shaming by the cheerleader. Oh, I hated that. Now I will say I we're recording this.
Speaker 1:On the same day we recorded our porky's episode, which will come out later, later, it will come out later, later, it will come out later. And I was like I cannot wait for our discussion today Because it has so much of the same themes. It really does, I know, which goes to show you teenagers remain the same. But can we talk about that girl's cheer? Oh, my God, it was the Paula Cole song. The Paula Cole song. I wrote that down somewhere. Wait for this game to be over and she's like doing her little cheer. So were they supposed to bring their own cheer? Yeah, the audition, that was strange it was. It was like it was like it was like a theater audition. I know your own cheer, yeah, bring your own cheers, but we're skipping ahead because I know, sorry, I did that. I did that, okay.
Speaker 1:Did you find it weird that, all right, joey's working this other job At the? Yeah, because their restaurant burned down on this bullshit. And Bessie was like Joey, you have to work two jobs right now until I can find a babysitter. I'm like wait a minute, why can't Bessie be the one working weird hours in the morning and stuff before Joey goes to school? So Joey could babysit. So Joey is home and then goes to school and then Bessie could go to work.
Speaker 1:Whatever happened to the boyfriend, I don't know, it's never explained. She's just suddenly a single mom, I don't know. And so I was like wait a minute, why is Joey carrying the weight? And she's like until I get a babysitter. I'm like, wait, this doesn't add up. I get it Like you need to be there with the baby while Joey's at school, but before and after school, bessie, you could be pumping gas down on that dock. There you go, and then this new guy that she works with, who's such a dick, such a dick, rob, rob, if that rob the yacht guy, boat person, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:But like, okay, then also pacey and dawson go to strip club. I, I know, episode one, episode one, yeah, to like what? Just reconnect after the summer because dawson's been gone, it's like well, we should go hang out at the strip club. No, it's because he, well, he brings him there because he like needs some. Pacey tells him he needs something and then he's like this year we're going to get you laid. Yeah, I find that humorous. I also find that funny Because, again, we watched that in Forky'sies.
Speaker 1:But guys, that is accurate, teenage boyhood, right there, yeah, and girls too, by the way. It's just not as hard for girls and I think it's. I think it's exactly if, well, if you are after a straight boy, it's not that hard if you, if that, let me. Let me clarify that. Well, I think it's later in the episode. Dawson's talking to eve that's britney daniel's name and she asked him if he's a virgin. Or maybe he's talking to pacey and someone asked him and he's like I'm more than a virgin. He's like what's below that? And I was like, yeah, like what's the level below that? It was just really funny. It was Eve, because she goes everything before it or whatever. Okay, something like that.
Speaker 1:Can we please just talk about how a girl, her age, whatever it is, I never say and that smoking hot, yeah, would not be. After Dawson Leary, I could see her maybe hitting on him on the bus, but then to keep showing up at his house Girl, no man and then his school, and then all the things, and then he's at the strip club and she makes it known that she works there. That's like she's chasing him. I don't think there'd be a chase. I think maybe she'd flirt with him on the bus. I'll buy into that. Also, though they don't say how old she is, yeah, but then I was thinking, but obviously she's in her 20s? I would think so, and I'm like, wait a minute, dawson's still not 18. So this is still, I know, still creepy ass.
Speaker 1:Pedophilia, yes, again, from a female predator, correct, correct. What do we do in Dawson's Creek? And then, when I saw her at the school which is, I guess, the next episode I was like, oh my God, is she a teacher? Oh shit. And then like we're doing this all over again, no, but then the next episode she lies and we're going to talk about it anyway, so we can intertwine the two. The next episode she lies about who she is and her age, so she can go to school there. It was weird. She's like I'm a senior, okay, psycho, yeah, strange.
Speaker 1:And the only reason they don't think she's a psycho is because she's hot. Yeah, cause she's good looking. Hello, have y'all seen fatal attraction? Like hot people can be super psycho. Have you seen American psycho? Christian Bale is super hot serial killer, come on. Yeah, seriously. And even Pacey, he's like oh, you better not let that one slip away. If, if she comes across your path, don't worry, she's stalking you, don't worry, she's not slipping away to anything, okay, oh, and, and speaking of that, do you see what I wrote here?
Speaker 1:Why does shows always make it seem like older women want virgins? It's weird. No, yeah, no, definitely no. Like, if you're the same age as the person, I don't think it's a big deal, but why would you be older and deliver everyone back? But if you're a grown-ass lady, like this woman is, I mean, she's not like Miss Jacobs, she's in her 20s, yeah, why would she want some 16-year-old virgin? Look, we know how that's going to go, guys. Yeah, it's weird. That's weird.
Speaker 1:That's just that male writing room, yeah, male writer fantasy that the hot, experienced women are going to want me even though I'm a virgin. Like, I do not have time for that. Yeah, I need you to know what you're doing. I know, I mean, you're right. When I was young it didn't matter because I didn't know either. It's an odd, like statement. It is. It's weird.
Speaker 1:And they keep doing it, especially like okay, and again, we're speaking from a like straight woman, straight man relationship here, because there's a lot of things you got to learn about a woman's body. Oh, yeah, if you are not a woman in a woman's body and you would like to be with one, right, and teenage boys especially, then now at least they have the internet. Yeah, yeah, they can look up a few things, they can do some research, yeah, but like guys, yeah, it bothers me, I know, I know and I just thought the over-sexualization of her too was so much. It was everything, yeah, everything, it was like her whole character just struts around. Does it kind of get explained more as it goes on? Character just strikes around, does it kind of get explained more as it goes on? How many more episodes is she in? I know she stays her. I didn't like her in this season. She's in a few episodes, okay, and I just was like I don't really get her whole. Yeah Well, and one comment I had in my notes just in general is why does everyone look so much older?
Speaker 1:I know, like all of them, like Dawson's hair is like a darker shade. I know Joey looks more grown up. I mean I guess it's the point they're getting older. But they all looked like college age or older to me Suddenly Because they were Right, right, but like I was kind of, I know, I was kind of like okay, and I was like wow, they really look a lot older. But to be fair, a lot happens over summer for teenagers. I mean Caden grew one summer between his freshman and sophomore year like six inches, okay, literally. So it happens, it does, it happens fast, yeah, anyway, but they do look a lot older to me. What do you got? I still have a few more things. Do you have anything?
Speaker 1:I said just in general the whole storyline where Jen signs up to try out to be a cheerleader and she said they made her head cheerleader. You could have just said no, she's like. Jack's like oh, did you make the squad? She's like, even worse, they made me head cheerleader. And then, as they're like cheering and doing this sort of like sardonic, sarcastic cheers right, instead of actual school spirit, jen even then is like, well, this is just what they want to do. And I'm like are you head cheerleader or not? But it also went against everything she fucking said Exactly. And she's like well, they're making me. And I'm like bitch, what? Yeah, decide who you are Exactly Like. Yeah, exactly, although you. Yeah, exactly Although you're a teenager. So so it'll be a while before you can figure it all out. You're not going to know. Yeah, and also, I feel like this season they try and maybe this is why they look older. I feel like this season they tried to make the show more edgy.
Speaker 1:Quote unquote Okay, hence the strip club, eve Dawson getting a blowjob on a boat. What, yeah, well, attempted. I don't know if it didn't actually happen. It's hard to say because they don't ever say like did it crash during, or did it crash Because he was at a pivotal moment? Yeah, oh, I don't know. Somebody clear that up for us, someone tell us If Dawson got a blowjob on a boat, right, we need to know, someone tell us, because we couldn't tell from the actual show. Oh my God, oh my God, what are we talking about today, guys? Okay, I'm still laughing about that, I feel. Okay.
Speaker 1:So then Joey tries to like, throw herself at Dawson, mm-hmm. So Dawson throws a strip club party. So it's a strip club party at his house, which I wondered where his dad was. He said in the beginning of the episode he was going to a coaching convention. Okay, okay. So he was out of town, yeah, because I remember, uh, pacey was like, oh, you got an empty house, that's true, that's true. So he has the strip club at his house because he needs to raise over $3,000 because he crashed his dad's boat into the dock, the blowjob crash, that whole thing. Which is when Joey notices there's a girl with him on the boat, right, so this whole strip club party is going on downstairs. They raise enough money, yay, hooray.
Speaker 1:So of course Dawson goes up to his room to sit in the quiet, to sulk, like, of course he leaves a strip club party, right, of course Dawson leaves a strip club party In his own house. Yeah, sure, I'm going to go up to my room now, okay, yeah, and then Joey comes through the window and she's all. Did you miss me? Of course I missed you. You know, it's this whole thing. The lighting is like no lights on in this room, right, right, and they're just kind of.
Speaker 1:And so then she, yeah, I guess, kind of throws herself in his shoes. She does, she takes her shirt off and then he stops her, which, hello, would not happen with a teenage boy and this girl that you've loved forever takes her clothes off in front of you. Right, I feel like you're and if, well, the physical side, of course, but even the emotional side would take over and you'd be like, wow, it's happening, especially if you're 16. Yeah, but he's like no, I know, I think things are good the way they are. And then she says again I'm sexual Dawson, what Aw. But I feel bad because she. I felt bad for her because she said you love me, you just don't want me. And I was like ow, and it's true, it is true, at least at this point. Yeah, so that was kind of how that.
Speaker 1:Oh, well, then Joey, at one part funny part at the end of that episode, joey then goes back home, I guess, and is sitting on her dog, and here comes Pacey in the rowboat. Well, I love that because it's foreshadowing for what's going to happen later in the season. I hope you remember, I do and so he's. But he says to her she goes, what do you want? Or whatever he goes. It's weird. I got in this rowboat and it just came to your house. It just floated on over from Dawson's. It's funny, it knew where to go or whatever. I thought that was a funny line. And so now they're kind of bonding over this and they decide I guess it's in the next episode because they talk about how Andy is coming back. Yeah, we can start talking about that. We can start talking about it because that's basically all of the first episode. Let me see if I have. I didn't write down the summary anyway, so it's fine, okay. So the second one's called Homecoming. Homecoming, right, not the dance, but we're talking about Andy coming back, basically from her.
Speaker 1:What Mental health? Okay, well, this is where I had a problem, because the dad and Jack are talking and the dad's like, oh, she's had, or Jack or some. Maybe it wasn't the dad and Jack but somebody says like, oh, she has had a full recovery and the dad's like well, the doctor says, with mental illness you're never out of the woods. I just didn't like how they talked about it. I didn't like that. You didn't like that. No, because I felt like I don't like it.
Speaker 1:When they say mental illness to begin with Okay, well, there was a few things there it's also just like I'd rather and I say it sometimes too, because it's like antiquated phrasing that just gets stuck in my head but I always like to say mental health issues because sometimes it's a disorder or it's whatever. It's just a very big category for a lot of little bitty things that could be all over the game, sure. And I just feel like they said, oh, she has had a full recovery and yes, he's right, you don't have a full recovery from like mental health issues that you're probably going to deal with the rest of your life. Sometimes you can have things like, for instance, I had postpartum depression that set in after I gave birth because my hormones shifted so much. Right, that's situational and also physical. But again, I have anxiety that I deal with for the rest of my life. That has nothing to do with that. You see what I'm saying. I do so while you can have a full recovery from, like, a postpartum situation. I will never have a full recovery from anxiety, but I don't like how they're like you're never out of the woods. I just don't, I don't know. It just feels weird for me.
Speaker 1:I just took it to mean, and I understand what you're saying, I just took it to mean, by the way, it's not curable. Yeah, I just it was the way they spoke about it. That was just rubbing me wrong. That's fair. That's fair. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. I'm very sensitive when it comes to these kind of things. Yeah, I get it so. Okay, again, I wrote down this girl, eve would not be hot for Dawson. No way it bothered me so much, especially now, like as an adult. Yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah, I know is, I know she's a psycho and I don't like, as I was watching, I'm like, oh, she's psychotic. I think maybe, yeah, and I don't think that ever set into me as a young person. Yeah, I mean, I was in college when this came out and I was like, okay, whatever, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then, oh, my God, we are introduced to Henry. Yes, I forgot about Henry and I loved him this whole season. I love Henry so much. I love him. I loved him then, I love him now and I don't know if you ever watched the show, do you know? Troy walked in and I said you recognize that actor? And he was like, no, it's like he was in Boardwalk Empire. Oh really, yeah, I never watched that show. Okay. Well, anyway, fun little fact for you guys, we only watched some of it because then it just got to be really violent and I just couldn't handle it anymore. And then there was like this whole incest storyline and I was like I'm done, oh yeah, where he it was, him, his character slept with his mom and it was like it's like we're going too far, like it was good at first and then it just got to be too much. But anyway, fun fact, he was in Boardwalk Empire, got it, got it. What do you have? Do you have notes? Oh, let me see, I'm just like reading all my notes. Katie didn't finish this episode. I didn't finish the episode, so I was just kind of watching it this morning as I was getting ready. So I don condoms, oh my god.
Speaker 1:And then, like all these people like weigh in their opinions, and then there's like the music playing underneath. They're like do, do, do, do, do, do. Like elevator music under the whole scene. It was so funny. And the the cashier's like we don't keep them behind the counter anymore, son. And then the men in the aisle like stocking up. I know that's so creepy. At one point I was like is he dreaming again? Like is this just a an embarrassing dream? Right, yeah, because it was. I know that's so creepy. Like well, back in my day they only had two kinds the regular and for those of us that need something more, whatever. And then the lady was like, if you really want to blow her mind, get this whatever, yeah. And then she goes back and gets a box, yeah, which, by the way, those don't work, so you won't blow anybody's mind with those. Don't take that lady's advice. Um, she's a paid actress.
Speaker 1:I feel like we've talked about ribbed condoms before. I? I don't know, didn't we? Because we were like who designed them? I think so, yeah, that sounds familiar. Why have we been a while back? I don't know if it's in a movie or if it was in dawson's, I don't know, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1:You never know what you're gonna hear on these dawson's episodes. I know we talked about it during. Can't hardly wait, wait, oh yeah, because of Kenny. Kenny, that's right, that's why. So listen to that episode. That's over a year old, because we did that for my birthday last year. Yeah, that's great, so, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the condom scene was really funny and I think what was genius about it is that we all feel like everyone's watching us and nobody is passing an opinion when we're grabbing those kinds of things. But really, like, so that's what was genius about it, cause it's like the worst case scenario that you think might happen when you're trying, when you're that age, and you're trying to buy like condoms or something and and like that. And isn't it funny how, like, you just evolve as a person, cause now I'll just throw in some KY jelly at Walmart with, like my cucumbers and oranges and green, and you're just like ring it up like what? Yeah, seriously, yeah, although buying KY jelly with cucumbers is probably like, that's a bit far, but I just met with my groceries. Yeah, I think, as long as they bag it separately, it's okay. I think it's all right. That's, that's the hill I'll die on.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't have many, many away from the produce. Yes, I don't have many foundational beliefs. But that is one. Lube and produce belong in separate bags plastic walmart bags yes, please, all right, um, but yeah, that scene was really funny, it was all right. Another scene Lube and produce belong in separate bags, separate plastic Walmart bags. Yes, please, all right. But yeah, that scene was really funny, it was All right. Yes, another scene Hello, this is when Dawson's dad becomes a football coach.
Speaker 1:All right, so perfect, let's do it. I thought he was going to ask Dawson to play Girl Dawson, I know, but I'm thinking about Varsity Blues. Yeah, so I'm trying to cross that. We got to add that fall. We need to watch that in the fall. Yeah, oh, that would be a good one. Him as a football coach is perfect, yeah, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:And of those, the Minutemen, which I love, I do too. There's a school here that's their name too. Really, I want to say it's Coco, and I don't even know what is that. Is that a military term? Isn't that what the soldiers were called um in like revolutionary war? Yeah, it sounds right. So something that's probably, I know, something military. I feel like I need to look that up because, okay, look it up, I'm scared to type in, I'm scared to search minute man, am I? Because, like, my searches are super weird because of this podcast and you never know what's gonna, and it just heard what you were saying about your walmart trip, so who knows what it's gonna pull up. Uh, yeah, american revolution, colonial militia, men known for being ready to fight in a minute's notice. I was right, awesome, correct war and everything. Right, right, war and everything. So, anyway, moving on.
Speaker 1:So, yes, so he becomes the football coach, but the team is notoriously bad. Yeah, they've lost, like Pacey says something like 38-0 or something like that. They've lost like years and years and years in a row, and it's not a good team. Nobody cares about the football team, et cetera. And then he asks Jack, because Jack just happened to be catching a football, mm-hmm. Well, he didn't ask Jack. Henry saw him. Yes, and because Henry's the running back, or I don't know, I don't know anything about sports he's trying to be the quarterback, the quarterback. And then Jack is the running back. Yeah, okay, see, I don't know sports guys, whatever.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, jack has to like fight all these stereotypes because he's like the gay football player, but also like how stupid that it was. So like, yeah, hello, gay men can be good athletes. Oh, and are many of them. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I don't mean like it's possible, I mean, yes, they are, they actually are Like. Why is that so like hard to believe? I know Hello, especially like a young man? Yes, they are, they actually are like. Why is that so like hard to believe? I know hello, especially like a young man. So antiquated and stupid, like I know it's dumb, it's so dumb.
Speaker 1:But so when dawson's dad, when mitch approaches, jack about it and right away jack's like, no, like. Imagine like the scrutiny, imagine the whatever which I kind of get to, oh, no, he doesn't want. You're just trying to be like under the radar and figure your life out and just be who you want to be, but not necessarily get a lot of attention paid to you. Right, I totally get that Right. But I think what Dawson's dad was saying too was like, hey, it doesn't matter, you can be good at this and whoever you are yeah, so that was all true too. Well, and also too, I think, from a safety standpoint, putting yourself as a newly out gay male teenager into an environment that is traditional, toxic, straight masculinity. It's probably pretty scary, of course, yeah, of course. So I understood Jack's hesitation, but I was glad that he decided to join.
Speaker 1:Okay, I had something else. Oh my God, what? So Dawson's like packing up his trunk for, like, his surprise sexual rendezvous with this girl? Right, oh God, I know what you're going to say, and Jen sits there to give him sex advice. Okay, yes, guys, she's 16. I know Now, granted, we know that she has had multiple partners at this point, but still, you are 16. Mm-hmm, and she's giving him advice. But when she said this one sentence, I know what you're going to say. Yeah, because I saw this part, I laughed. I laughed for so long.
Speaker 1:She said her last bit of advice to Dawson because she had all these analogies with ice cream. Yeah, and sundaes, you let the sundae melt a little. Yes, you just bite right in, right, which I mean. Some of her advice wasn't bad. But also whatever she said, if you don't get whipped cream all over your face, you ain't doing it right, I died laughing. It was a lot. You know what? It reminded me of An American Pie, the friend Natasha, whatever her name is, with the red, curly hair, who talks about like double clicking your mouse and like somehow knows all this stuff about sex, but she's just like a teenage girl, I know, but she's like the sage of all the sexual advice. You reminded me of that. Yeah, and yeah, yeah. And she was saying to dawson like it's a two-way street, and I mean she wasn't necessarily saying anything wrong, no, but it was just like the premise that like she would have all the wisdom. Yeah, it was a lot. I just laughed and I'm like, okay, I mean also not incorrect, but still it made me laugh.
Speaker 1:And then on the flip side, we have andy and her confession. Yeah, from her stay. So pacey and joey come and kind of come a day early, their day early, which, first of all, that whole thing was weird. When the nurse wouldn't let them back. I know they wouldn't just let her out of like a mental health facility, yeah, with her buddies. Yeah, they wouldn't. It was weird, whatever it was weird. And then, like joey faked having a crisis. The whole thing was strange.
Speaker 1:But the premise was so that they could sneak back there and see her and get her out early and get her out early, which, when they get to her room, she's in there with this other guy just sitting on the bed talking, but still, and then, like she doesn't. She seems hesitant to go with them. And then she seems sad that she's leaving the guy. And so you already are like, oh, something's changed and her hair's blonde again, she's got cute little bangs, adorable. But, um, so she seems hesitant to leave, and particularly to leave with Pacey. Yeah, so you already kind of know something's up. Yeah, and she eventually tells him because he, they go to the pep rally where Dawson is revealed to about to be having sex with the lady.
Speaker 1:Yes and um, anyway, like she didn't want to be alone with Pacey. And so finally he's like what that? What is up? She tells him she slept with this other guy and I was like whoa, whoa, yeah, oh, whoa, and says it's, you know he was going through the same thing. She was, yeah, they, and like they just had this connection.
Speaker 1:But what I didn't quite get and this was about not long after that, where I didn't see the rest of the episode was she trying to break it off with Pacey or was she really trying to be like I'm sorry this happened, I still want to be with you, that, that Okay. So she felt guilty and it just broke me up, yeah, and at the end, what she missed at the end was he went and found her at the dock, andy, uh-huh, okay, and she says all that like I'm really sorry, okay, because you saw her there at the school. Yes, we find her later. She tells him what happened, yeah, and he's just like I will always love you, but I can't forget this, like I mean, it is because she's like I need to forgive me and he's like I will forgive you but I can't forget, yeah, and I just can't be with you. And oh man, especially when he's been waiting, he's been waiting for her to come back.
Speaker 1:You know what it makes me think of is, you know, my husband was in the military and we knew a lot of people whose spouses cheated on them while they were gone Not me, thank you very much. I did not have the fucking time, nor energy, nor care to do that. Right, right, one, two and three, and I'm not a cheater. Also, morals Well, also, I'm not. Y'all know I've said before I'm like I'm just, I'm a monogamous seal or something. What I said? I think that's what you said. Was it our seals monogamous? No, that's not right, that's right. But I think maybe turtles, no, what was it? I mean penguins are monogamous penguin. Okay, that's it. That's it. I'm just tossing out seal on on our porky section.
Speaker 1:I had all this florida knowledge today. I know episode, I have all this animal knowledge. Yeah, anyway, I did not. I did not do that. I had small kids, whatever.
Speaker 1:I'm not that way, but we had a lot of people who did, and I always thought about the service member coming home, oh, yeah, like being in a literal war zone and you come home and you find that out, that's got to wreck like oh, so awful, can you imagine? No, now here's a question on the flip side. Maybe you don't know the answer. Are service people unfaithful when they're out in the field? Yeah, like when they're away from home? Uh, we knew someone who, uh, like, had an affair with another, another officer person. Okay, I was just curious, like, if they're oh yeah, it happens all time it's like illegal, right, isn't it illegal to commit adultery in the military or something? Oh, I'll tell you later where I'm getting this information. Illegal in the milk, I don't know. I think that's true. I think I mean it's against the. Well, I don't know that it's. I don't think it's enforced, but I think it's against the law. What? I'll tell you why when we're not on air. I'll tell you why. I think I'll ask him.
Speaker 1:But you know, like, for instance, pilots can't wear their wedding. You can't wear jewelry when you're flying, so they, you know, troy had like a silicone one he would take off and put in his flight suit. But a lot of people, just like I, don't wear a wedding ring most of the time because it gets in my way, it bothers me and I mean hello, we've been married for 22 years. Like brandt doesn't even have, yeah, who cares? It doesn't matter, it's a symbol. But a lot of times pilots would leave them off on purpose. Wow, so this is kind of like that. Like it's kind of like that where he's been waiting and anticipating and thinking about their reunion and and then this is the reunion.
Speaker 1:Oh, that is so heartbreaking, especially for poor Pacey, I know, because he's just always having the rug pulled out from under him and I mean, but like on Andy's side, not to defend her at all, but like, again, teenage girl going through a lot away from home, bonding with someone who's bonding over the same thing as her, I can see how it happened. Yeah, I mean, and that's okay, but you, yeah, if that is happening before something physical happens. You tell your person, yeah, and so what? They would talk on the phone. Is that what he said? She could call him and they'd write letters. Okay, because remember, remember the last episode she talked to his dad. That's right, okay, so, so, okay. So she would have had. I guess for a split second I was thinking she wouldn't have had a chance to even tell him, but she would have. But again, they're teenagers and you mess up and you learn and it's, but it's still heartbreaking, it's still, yeah, absolutely like, it's still sad.
Speaker 1:So, and then at the end, did you see the part where Dawson gave Joey his necklace? Tell me about this, is it please tell me? It's a puka shell necklace. It's whatever he wears, he like gives it to her, and I can't remember now what they were talking about, but like I guess, about how they'll just always be connected or I don't know something. And he was, oh, because he's like, do you think every Dawson has a Joey and every Joey has a Dawson? Aw, because they're like whatever. And he gave her his little necklace and it was cute.
Speaker 1:But then my last thing I wrote was did we notice how tan Joey and Eve are? Like they're so tan. Well, that was the aesthetic of Eve that we were talking about. I know Super tan, butey was too, joey was too, but were we supposed to think that because it had been summer, maybe? Oh yeah, but also tanning beds. That's what I wrote also. I mean totally, this is the height of that's when I was going to the tanning bed in the trailer. This year's, that's when I was at the stand-up tanning bed where they pumped in the cd music. Yes, yes, you had someone, you.
Speaker 1:We had very different tanning experience now in college. I went the place in college that was near, like right by my apartment. It wasn't a trailer, but it didn't have stand-up ones. It wasn't fancy. I never went to a stand-up one, it was the lay-down ones when you had to clean it after you got out. The boyfriend I had in college, his aunt, had one at her house. Whoa, yeah, she was serious, she was fancy, she was fancy. It was a nice one too. Can you imagine her entertaining bed at your house? So weird, but hey, but hey. So, yeah, they were very tan.
Speaker 1:Just in general, I felt like and maybe it's because we didn't have a break between season two and season three yeah, you would have live. Oh true, so we literally just finished season two and right away now we're watching season three. Yeah, it felt like a totally different show to me. I know, right, I told you they tried to get a little more edgy and I guess that's when you do it. Yeah, that's when you introduce an eve because like it's the third season now, right, so you got to get people talking new and fresh. You got to have people wondering like what's going to happen, and on the season premiere you've got this like new hot blonde, like who's that? And she's after Dawson, and then the Andy thing with the cheating, and like you have to have that stuff, I guess, to keep people engaged. You can't just Just all of it and just the vibe of it. I was just like this feels different, but then also like your viewers are getting older too, true, more sophisticated. I mean, well, they're teenagers, so they want more. Oh, we didn't talk about, because I wanted to hear what you thought about really quick.
Speaker 1:So Jack and Andy's dad decides to move to Capeside, oh yeah. And so Andy's coming home and so Grams or someone makes a comment like, oh, I think it's so great you're able to like be here now. But then him and Jack have a moment where he basically tells Jack to stay with Grams and Jen. But his reasoning was interesting, no-transcript. Then I was also like he'd probably be happier with jen and grams, although him and andy are close. So being with andy, the dad's a mess, the dad's a mess, the dad's a mess. But now he's in town, which I assume the mom's back to, I know.
Speaker 1:I was wondering like, well, what's the? What's going on with the mom? She's probably there too, I would guess, unless she's in a facility or something. I don't know. I don't know either, but anyway it changes things, crashing boats. That's why I said I don't want to stop, because I remembered what was coming. No, I'm glad we kept going, because if in a couple months I had watched this kind of like, it would not be the same. It would not be. I've got the juxtaposition of like the end of last season into this and some good stuff happens this season. Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 1:And henry is the best. Okay, I, I really have forgotten about henry. Oh, my god, he's the cutest, clumsiest little thing. I loved his persistence, I know, and he's like that and I just I adore him, I adored, I had the biggest crush on him Really. Oh my God, yes, I did. Okay, we'll have to watch him with that one. And he was a legit teen in the yeah, he seems he's supposed to be younger than everyone. I think he was. Oh no, well now, I just was like, was I a weirdo and had a crush on somebody super young? I mean, I don't think he was like that young. No, no, no, he was probably your age. He just looked young. He was probably 17, 18, 19. I'm not going to look it up Now. I'm like uh-oh, it was probably close to your age. It's like when Twilight came.
Speaker 1:Did you ever watch those movies? Oh, yeah, and like. I remember sitting in the theater watching when taylor lautner came on the screen shirtless, uh-huh, and we all were like are we allowed to think he's hot yet? And we're like okay, he's 19, all right, yeah, is it okay? Like, is it okay? You're like frozen, because I love a bunch of moms. And we're like. We're like are, how are we allowed to feel right now, yeah, oh my gosh, that's so funny. Well, now you got to find, now you got to dig a little on. Well, I mean, I was still a teenager, so it's okay, it's not like now. Yeah, you're good, you're good, awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, I hope you guys are watching season three with us right now on Hulu by the time you hear this. Probably for five more days, four or five more days, but we'll find out where it's going to be next and, don't worry, we'll keep watching it and I'll just be watching on Amazon Prime, no matter what Katie's, just throwing money Doesn't matter, just watch it on Amazon Prime and that's the easiest way. That's my life hack. Make it easy. All right, don't go searching for passwords at four in the morning. Y'all, you heard it here first. Just pay $1.99. Okay, please take this advice with you as you go into the world. Place it in your heart. Yes, all right. Well, we'll see you on the next edition of Dawson's Creek, nostalgic or Problematic, and all of our regular episodes. Woo, see you soon. Bye.
