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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
As IF Turns 30: A Clueless Rewatch
Are you like, totally buggin', every time you accidentally end up on the highway when driving?
Are Cher and Dionne names you associate with wealthy, fahionable teenagers?
If you ever tried to matchmake your lonely teachers because you saw it in a movie, you might be a Xennial fan of the movie Clueless, and we are too.
Join us as we discuss the 1995 teen movie classic, Clueless. Find out where the stars are today and hear behind the scenes stories.
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Do you still make a W with your hands when you say the word whatever? Did you ever sing rolling with the homies in the 90s? If you've ever worn yellow plaid to be fashionable? As if you might be a Xennial and a fan of the movie Clueless? And we are too.
Speaker 1:Hi, I'm Katie, hi and I'm Dani, and you are listening to Generation in Between, a Zennial podcast where we remember, we revisit and sometimes relearn and now often rewatch all sorts of things from being 80s kids and 90s teens. Yes, and today we are fully in that 90s teen bracket because we just rewatched the 1995 fashion and cult classic Clueless, starring the one and only Alicia Silverstone and others, which we'll get to. We both watched it and then I did some additional background research on it and I've decided to present that sort of as fun facts as we go and then we can talk about, like what we thought with the movie. Actually, I renamed them to fly facts. Oh my God, no, you did not. So those fly facts get into the history, the actors and just some other like fun stuff that you find when you, when you start digging into this stuff. I'm here for it. Yeah, I'm here for that. But before we get into that. We just want to give you a reminder right now, in the beginning of the episode, because we usually do it at the end and some of y'all peace out before you hear that they do. So remember to review us everywhere you listen, whatever platform you're on. My mic is being weird, okay, I'm good. Tell all your friends, family, whoever you want. We love getting a new listener or two. And guess what? We now have 31 followers on YouTube. Yes, over 30. Over 30. Hey, let's do it. Hey, I wonder if we can get to like our age soon. Hey, maybe that's our next goal, that's our next milestone. Speaking of age, though, clueless is 30,. Right, it is. Yeah, that's wild, which is partially why we picked it. Yeah, because it's popping up all over like social and stuff, talking about how it's 30 years old.
Speaker 1:You know they're making a musical, right, so there is a musical already. Oh, there is, I thought they were making it. There is, but it was off Broadway, okay, so I think the one that we're like seeing, oh, the coolest musicals coming up is that maybe revamped? Oh, yeah, okay, I know, I didn't know there was one either until I did this research, but there was in 2018, yeah, so I think it's, I think it's the same one, just for a big stage. How you feel about that, I don't mind it, I mean, I, I think those modern musicals like that, like Mean Girls or whatever, a lot of it is about the aesthetic yeah, like the clothes and also the way they talk. It's a time capsule. Yeah, it's a time capsule, and those can be really fun. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I like musicals based on movies, but sometimes I'm like what? Yeah, like, did we have to do that? I haven't seen the Back to the Future musical. Oh, my God, I want to see it. I've heard such good things. Yeah, I've heard that. One's good, I think. I mean, I like the Mean Girls musical. I'm not a huge fan of Legally Blonde. It's okay. Yeah, it's not my favorite either. It's good, but like another one that I don't know that it needed to go from movie to musical. That's what I mean. The movie is just so iconic, right, and that's how I'm wondering if Clueless would be. This will be like that, because you know it might be. We'll see. I guess we're going to find out. I'll go see it. Oh yeah, me too, I'll be there, yeah, yeah, I checked all the mics? Oh my gosh, don't worry, I did. I'm drinking my coffee as we speak. It's good to ask me because an hour from now I'll be like, oh my God, the mics aren't on, but not today, because I checked it. Well, I just had to make sure before the fly facts come rolling in. Yeah, they're going to come fast and furious, but before we get to those, let's just, in general, talk about how we felt re-watching the movie. And have you re-watched it since, like the 90s? The 90s, okay. Or this week? So it came out in 95, right? Yeah, so I was like the perfect age for this movie because I was 15, 16, it was perfect, loved it. We'll get into more talking about that.
Speaker 1:I used to have it on like on tape. I said it correctly, everyone. Well, I don't think you have to say tape. Oh, you just say VHS. So you got it like no VHS. What does VHS stand for? Video, video, home something. What does it stand for? What does VHS stand for System, maybe? So then you would have to say, well, yeah, I don't think people do.
Speaker 1:I think if when I say vcr tape, that's wrong. Video cassette recording right, because then it's like recording recording, it's like atm machine right. So vhs tape is correct, vcr tape incorrect. Okay, we just established that I can. I can follow that line of thinking. I'm still gonna do it wrong, but anyway, so that was one I always and I think I eventually correct VCR tape incorrect. Okay, we just established that I can follow that line of thinking. I'm still going to do it wrong, but anyway.
Speaker 1:So that was one I always and I think I eventually even got it on DVD. Like when DVDs started coming out. That was one I used to always have. Remember, I told you I used to watch, like just have DVDs on, when I was in college doing homework, yeah, just in the background and studying. That was one. Okay, yeah, that's a good one, but I haven't watched it since then. I would say Okay.
Speaker 1:So I was 13 when it came out and I remember like same thing, like 7th, 8th, 9th grade and just the fashion around then. Yes, there's pictures of me in that age in like the baby doll dresses or the plaids or the whatevers, and I remember really liking it back then. And then I did watch it maybe, maybe eight or nine years ago with one of my kids thinking they would love it. It was Amelia and they did. But the whole step sibling situation, oh God, really, I cannot wait to talk about this. And I forgot. I forgot, oh, yeah, like, I knew they're like, but I forgot about that. How fucking creepy it is. And it was weird. Yes, and they were like, oh, this movie just got really weird. Yes, and I don't remember thinking it was weird when I was a kid. Neither did I, but it really bothered me. Same On the rewatch yeah, in fact Cooper watched, well, and he was like, actually this movie.
Speaker 1:At the end, when they got together, he goes this movie was actually good until right now. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, why did they have to? First of all, we'll wait, we'll get there, we'll get to it, but, yeah, but I still think the fashion is amazing. Agree, there's a. There's a ton to love about this movie, a ton.
Speaker 1:Yes, donald Faison is my favorite. That's his name, right, woman. Yeah, okay, donald Faison, he is the best character. Murray is the best character hands down, so good. And you know, those braces, they're fake. Yeah, because when I watched it I'm like, oh, he must have like really had braces. No, it was for the role.
Speaker 1:Another fun fact he started going bald really early in life. Okay, so that's why he has a shaved head and that's why he has hats and stuff on. He's so iconic, though he literally had to shave his head because people made fun of him, because he lost his hair early. I actually had a friend in high school who was like that he started having a receding or something. Dang, yeah, I would probably shave my head. Yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 1:So before we get into the first fly fact, as I went through, I was writing down some of the slang, oh, and then I did a little like digging into the writer, director, which who we're going to talk about Amy, yeah, amy, heckerling, heckerling. And she did take words she had heard or phrases in, like Beverly Hills Valley, whatever, but she also just made some of them up. She did so, obviously, whatever, whatever. I used to drive my mom crazy and I would, I would do the whole hand motion, whatever. Can you imagine one of your kids doing that to you? No, no, ma'am, oh, yeah, I was a mess. I could see you doing that, though she used to make her so mad. Yeah, I could see so. Yeah, and as if, as if, as if I always ugh, as if, ugh, as if she said she overheard some Valley girls quote unquote in a food court using that term Totally bugging, she made up. She made court, using that term totally buggin, she made up. She made that up. Uh, the monet, she didn't make up. Where it's ugly, oh, I still say that betty's and baldwin's, yeah, made up when someone's a betty or oh, she made that up. I swear that's been around since, like the surfer culture of the 50s, maybe, but baldwin, maybe, because she was talking about Baldwin, yeah, so maybe. And then Jeepin', jeepin', jeepin'. She didn't claim to have made that one up. What does that mean? Murray says you've been Jeepin' with blah, blah, blah. Oh, you've been Jeepin' like making out in the car, yeah, I think so, jeepin'. Is she like uh-uh? I mean there's more than that, but those were the ones that jumped out at me. Okay, first fly fact, which you probably already know Watching you say fly fact is First fly fact Enunciating, because I'm very fly as a person, I know.
Speaker 1:Obviously, clueless is based on Jane Austen's 19th century novel Emma oh, I forgot that. I forgot Emma. Oh, I forgot that. I forgot too In 1815. And Emma Woodhouse, the lead character in that is Cher Horowitz. So the lead character in Clueless. So in that one Emma's just kind of I have never read that. Have you ever read it? I had to read it in school. Do you remember anything about it? Nope, so essentially she's similar to a Cher. She comes from privilege. I remember she was like Kind and trying to help people and get involved in the affairs of other people, yes, and like connect people, sort of matchmaking away, but just like, kind of like.
Speaker 1:Hello Dolly, there was a movie with Not Kate Winslet she was in, I think. Wasn't Gwyneth Paltrow in it? Maybe, maybe that's who it was, and that was around this time. Like Emma, you're right, I think it was. So Amy Heckerlin wanted to make a fun, smart movie about a good-hearted girl who genuinely wants to help people. Only with really amazing clothes, which I love, okay. So Amy Heckerlin studied at NYU's Tisch School of the Arts Fun, yes. And later the American Film Institute.
Speaker 1:Her breakout movie that she wrote and directed do you have any idea what it is? Uh-uh Fast Times at Ridgemont High. What that was her? That was a female that wrote that Uh-huh. Oh, that's even more fun when we're going to watch it. Oh, yeah, 1982. And that helped launch the careers of stars like Sean Penn, jennifer Jason Leigh and then other hits.
Speaker 1:She wrote Look who's Talking 1989, and its sequel. I love that movie. It's like a wide array of things that she was involved in. I feel like that needs to be a rewatch. Look who's talking? Oh my God. Yes, you know, the beginning scene is my favorite, where they have the sperm trying to go to the egg and they're talking. It's so funny. Oh my God, like the comedic genius of that. So smart John Travolta and Kirstie Alley yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the fucking baby, yeah. So that's just quite a resume of hers. That's pretty impressive and really, since Clueless, she hasn't had much else. Like she hasn't had any big hits or anything like that. So how old was she around this time, do you know? I don't. I could look up when she was born, but 82 to 95, that's 13 years right there. So she may have been in her 40s or older when Clueless came out.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the movie was originally had a different title, which I don't think it would have been as successful with this title, but you can tell me it was going to be called A Girl's Guide to Sex. Oh, no, because it's not really about sex, right, like at all At all About sex? Right, like at all At all. Cher's a virgin who can't drive. Yes, she is, you're just a virgin who can't drive.
Speaker 1:That was funny watching it with Cooper because I was like, oh, he's going to ask me some things. So I just told him I don't know if you're really going to like, because he's 12. But I mean, I'm sure he knows. But like watching that, that with your mother we just sat there playing whatever on his phone. I'm like, alright, right, second screening. But you know the scene when they're in the restaurant and she's talking about the waiter and she's like I just don't like when they're crooked. And I'm like, oh god.
Speaker 1:And then Dee was like, oh, cher's hymenally challenged. Do you remember that? I didn't. Until I rewatched it I was like this is hilarious. And I was like sitting there watching it, like is he going to ask me what that is? I'll tell him, cause I kind of just wait for my kid Like, right, I'm not going to like force information on you, unless I mean, obviously, factual information needs to know Some things need to be said. But I was like, is he going to be like, well, what's a hymen? Because then I would tell him. But if he's not going to ask me, then we're not going to go down that road. You're OK, I think you're OK, and eventually maybe he'll know he might be prior to this. It's 2025. Honestly, or maybe he just like made a little list in his notes app to look up later Great, and he would have found the answer, don't worry.
Speaker 1:All right, so, moving on to more fly facts, we're going to talk about the cast. Of course, we have to start with Alicia Silverstone. Yes, she didn't audition. Really, she did not audition. She was chosen because Amy, the writer director, noticed her. Want to guess how she noticed her? What else was Alicia Silverstone in in the 90s that she's iconically known for? I wonder if you know the answers to this.
Speaker 1:She was in that movie, the Crush, but that's what that was. After that. Was she in Noxzema ads or something like that. That was Rebecca Gayheart. That was Rebecca. I love her. I don't know, I can't, I don't know. She was in the Aerosmith music video. Oh, I thought that was after this, it was before. Oh, yeah, and she was 18 in that video. Uh-oh, in Cryin'. So she was old during this movie. Yeah, not old, but she wasn't 16. No, she wasn't, she was like 20.
Speaker 1:So other people who were considered for the role of Cher, reese Witherspoon, who would have been adorable, but younger at the time, but younger and I feel like she's so cute, but like I don't know, I feel like Cher needs to be tall, but I feel like Reese Witherspoon's destiny was Elle Woods, I agree, I agree, and now we're looking back on it with that lens. If she had never been Elle, then maybe I'd be like, oh, but that's all I can think of. And also Sarah Michelle Gellar no, but she either turned it down or didn't do it. She doing Buffy no, she had scheduling conflicts with all my children oh, yeah, she was still on all my children. She was Erica Kane's daughter, yeah, and then Buffy was not too long after this, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:So then, after Clueless, which catapulted Alicia Silverstone to fame, she was in Batman and Robin in 97. She was Batgirl, batgirl and Excess Baggage in 1997. I don't know what that is. Did you see that one? I can't. I remember the movie poster. But what I really remember was the Crush. That was a good movie. Yeah, remember was the Crush. That was a good movie. Yeah, she played this psycho who had a crush on that man. I remember that that was a good one and really after the late 90s she kind of she didn't drop off, but she just kind of pulled back and started doing like some TV appearances. She did regular theater, she was in some stuff on Broadway and then I don't know how much you follow her online now, but she's a passionate activist.
Speaker 1:She's kind of a weirdo, but you go, girl, she can be. She's the one who chewed up her food for her kid and then spit it out so they could eat it. That was her Right. Yeah, that's her. She's super natural she is. So she's an environmentalist, animal rights and she's a pretty well-known vegan. I won't say she's a weirdo. Let me reverse. Yeah, she does things differently. She has just some very alternative, sometimes interesting. I think her son's name is Bear. Yeah, yeah, I mean, she's out there. But also good for you. If your belief is what you believe and you're not hurting nobody, then you go. Yep, she wrote a book called the kind diet, which is a promotes. It's not a diet, but it promotes plant-based eating. Okay, meaning like, be kind, don't eat animals. Oh, I see, and she's big with pita and other things.
Speaker 1:Um, but sharon clueless is like her most her iconic role. Her iconic role and, and really, oh and her and oh my God, what is that guy's name? It's a designer. I can't think of it now. People are screaming at me if they follow her on social, but she's really really good friends with him and he just constantly uses her as a model, even today, like he'll just have like a runway show and she's there, nice, he makes things for her and she looks about the same.
Speaker 1:But what I like about her? Obviously she's got good genes, well, and she takes care of herself. She takes care of herself, but she, you know, she's a normal size, good, and she's our age. She's our age. She's got some wrinkles. Like, she looks great. I'm sure she dyes her hair or whatever and he dolls her up. Who's the designer? Oh, my God, he's young. You'll have to look it up later.
Speaker 1:It's Christian something. Oh, is it Christian Siriano? Yes, from Project Runway. Yes, he was one of my favorites. I love him and they are good friends and every picture you back. So she's like his muse. Yeah, she is. Everybody needs a muse, siriano. That's what it was. Yeah, christian Siriano. I could see his little face and his little glasses.
Speaker 1:I used to be a huge Project Runway. Me too, oh my god, until Tim Gunn left. I know, I know, fuck it all, I don't want it if Tim's not there. You know what? We can't make it work without Tim. We cannot. Don't even try. Did I ever tell you?
Speaker 1:Well, the first time we went to New York well, me and my family have only been once we went for like a weekend when we lived in Virginia. Kaden got a stomach virus when we were in the middle of a tour, oh no, and so Cooper and I it was, cooper was like four at the time so him and I went around and I made him come with me to Mood. Oh my God, that's so cool, though I've never been in Mood. I've been twice. Because then, when I went back for another trip with my best friend Amber, we did it right, like we have video of me running down the row with a swatch of fabric, trying to get all your stuff, and the dog was there. So we have a picture with the dog swatch. So cute, yes, that is adorable anyway. Well, next time we'll have to go to new york and we'll have to go there. We have to. It's, it's so cool. Maybe when the clueless musical comes out. Oh yeah, it's a reason to go, obviously. Well, not that you need a reason, we don't need a reason. Yeah, all right. So let's talk about stacy dash.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, yes, dionne davenport, the stylish and sassy best friend of share. So she started her acting career in the mid 80s. She was actually in the film Mo Money. Oh yeah, she was also a pretty regular on the Cosby show, because she was, she was a little older when they filmed this. Right, she was, she was, yeah, she was born in like early 70s, I believe. So she, first of all, I just love her Like I love her in this movie. I love her little voice. I love her acting choices. I just love her Like I love her in this movie. I love her little voice, I love her acting choices. I just love her.
Speaker 1:But unfortunately, she ran into a little bit of controversy a little later. She was a Fox News commentator from 2014 to 2017. Wait, a commentator she was. She worked for them which we won't get into all of that, dion, let's put it this way which we won't get into all of that, but let's put it this way she. She ended up being fired from that job for using profanity when she was criticizing a policy of Obama's and but I guess it was bad enough that they fired her. And then she was arrested in 2019 for domestic battery, although she claimed it was self-defense.
Speaker 1:So I saw an article from like the past year or so where she was interviewed and essentially she's really hopefully she's gone and gotten some therapy and some healing or something, because she seems to have really calmed down and she said, like in the piece that I read, she said I don't want to just be this angry conservative Black woman anymore. Like I don't want to be that person. So she's just kind of living her life. Well, good for her. But I thought she's so adorable in this movie.
Speaker 1:Well, this, you know she had that cute little nose ring which is so cute, super popular in like, in like. Like now I feel like everybody has nose rings Right and back in the 90s I feel like people had nose rings, but it was people who were like in the grunge alternative world. She was like the first one I remember seeing wear, because my mom was like absolutely, my mom was pretty cool with clothes and hair. She'll make down my hair or whatever, as long as it was allowed at school. Because back then in the 90s, you could only have natural color hair dye or whatever. But the nose ring is where she drew the line. She said no, I mean, it is a permanent hole in your body. I guess I did have a belly button ring that she never knew I had. Wow, I mean, it is a permanent hole in your body. I guess I did have. I did have a belly button ring that she never knew I had. Wow, I got it.
Speaker 1:At the trailer where I got the tattoo. Is that where you went? Tanning too? That was a different town, different town, different trailer. Lots of my life has happened in trailers. So much of it. So much of it, but I still want one. I still want one.
Speaker 1:But the tricky part is I have a mole right here, so I don't know how I would. Yeah, but you wouldn't pierce it by that. No, I'd have to do on this side, but then I'm worried it would look uneven. Oh, I see, isn't that dumb? I know, no, that's not dumb. And I think septums are cool, but I think my nose is too pointy to make it. To make it work. Uh-huh, I bet there's some sort of ai where you can picture it like do a picture of yourself with, like how it would look. Well, I mean, I used to have a fake one, true, but who knows? Yeah, and it does get tricky when you're doing shows. It. Oh, like, my tattoos already caused me enough pain in the ass, so then I'd be like, oh, now I have to deal with this. Also, do this nose ring, but I think they're really cute. Anyway, she was the one who made me want one. All right, so let's move on from her to Paul Rudd.
Speaker 1:So, first of all, this was his like first breakout film role. He had been doing TV and stuff, but this was his first like, where people were like, wow, who's that guy, who's that guy? And he still looks the exact same. Guys, it's wild to me, it's he. You know, there's all this lore about him, right, because there is. He's so like he's a vampire, yeah, or whatever. I mean, maybe, guys, he is so adorable and also he just seems like a nice guy. He does. So he's funny.
Speaker 1:You know, we lived in Missouri. He's from Kansas City, okay, and so he not like. I never met him, but I have had friends who met him like they would run into him places. Okay, because he would go to Royals games. He would go to Chiefs games like he would just go, and he was always so nice, like whenever I heard from people like he was just so unbothered, like just drinking his, just drinking his beer, like, hey, midwestern guy, midwestern guy, just like hanging out at the baseball game. I love that and he's funny. He is funny, he's so funny. Did you ever watch that movie with him? And what's the blonde funny girl's name that's in Leslie Mann? Leslie Mann In that movie, this is 40.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was such a good movie. I want to go re-watch it. Yes, we should, because I definitely wasn't 40 when I first watched it, me either, and I thought that movie was so funny, oh, so good. So, so good, so good anyway. So he actually auditioned for the roles of Murray, so Dion's boyfriend and Christian, yeah, so Dion's boyfriend and Christian, yeah. But then eventually he got the part of Josh.
Speaker 1:He was 26 when this movie, oh yeah, and he remains 26 to this day. This day he is still 26, which, I mean, isn't that weird for the storyline, I guess because he's supposed to be in college or law school or something. How the fuck old is he in this movie? That's what we had this big debate about in my house, because doesn't he applying to law school or something? How the fuck old is he in this movie? That's what we had this big debate about in my house. Because doesn't he applying to law school? I think he's supposed. I think he's. I think he's supposed to be like 19 ish, 18 or not.
Speaker 1:I really looked it up. Shall I do a live research? Go ahead, we're gonna do a live research. While you do that, I'll talk about what he was in before. This movie is probably not, probably not.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe he was in a TV series called Sisters Sisters and then a TV miniseries called the Fire Next Time. What was that about? Was that about aliens? I don't know. I didn't write it down. I just wrote down TV miniseries Maybe I'm going to have to look that one up too. Series maybe I'm going to have to look that one up too. There was a TV, either movie or many series called the Fire, something or Other. That was about this alien abduction. I used to be super into aliens. It seems like this would be the timing for something like that. I don't know if it's the Fire Next Time or the Fire. All right, we'll look that up in a minute, but not right now. And then he was in Wild Oats, which was a TV movie, and Runaway Daughters, which was a TV movie Runaway Daughters, whatever that means and that was in 94. And then, obviously, this movie came out in 95.
Speaker 1:It says he's likely 18 or 19. Wow, okay, so younger than I thought, and she's she. He says he's implied to be a college freshman and then she's Cher's birthday is in April and so she like turned 16 during that time. I mean I guess that's better than me thinking he's like 23. Still, guys, I know that whole and we'll get to it.
Speaker 1:But that whole storyline, like I think the movie is so good without I know, like just keep them, like not liking each other, it's fine. I think. To me it's not really the years, age, years at that point in time in life, right, it's the different life stages, absolutely. Like if you're in college, if he was, say, a junior in college and she's a freshman in college, that's not as big of a deal as like she's a sophomore in high school With no license, yet she can't drive. He's a freshman or maybe a sophomore in college, right, that's a big difference. Yeah, I agree. Anyway, it's not your faultul, rudd, we love you. Uh.
Speaker 1:So then, after the movie, of course, he's been in all sorts of things anchorman. He was so funny. Oh my god, the 40 year old virgin yes, role models. I love you, man, and I'm also the marvel cinematic universe, and in 2021, he was people's sexiest man. Let's go Took long enough. No, that wasn't that long ago. Well, as soon as he came on screen, cooper goes hey, it's Ant-Man. I love that, because that's where he would know him from, right. I love that, though, and he looks exactly the same, I know.
Speaker 1:All right, so let's talk about Donald Faison, who, who is most well known for being Dr Christopher Turk on Scrubs. Did you watch Scrubs? I did. I like Scrubs. I didn't watch the whole thing, but I used to watch it. I think it came on around the same time as something else. I used to watch, like the first season of it, yeah, but I didn't watch the whole thing.
Speaker 1:But he's so funny. He's so funny, and we've seen him in another movie we watched. Can't Hardly Wait. Oh, yeah, he's in what's it called Love Burger, love Burger, the band, and he wears the cowboy hat. If he's wearing the shirt, I'm wearing the hat, I'm wearing the hat. Yeah, he's so funny, he's great.
Speaker 1:And then I guess he is a voice on Robot Chicken, okay, yeah, and he also has a podcast called Fake Doctors, real Friends with Zach Braff. Oh yeah, I was talking to somebody about that the other day. They said that's where, because somebody told me about him being bald and they said they heard it on his podcast. Okay, okay, and you know, they're on like T-Mobile commercials together. Now, I just love that they're still, I know, and you can tell that they're friends. Yeah, and it's one of those things where by themselves, they're both great, oh yeah, but there's something about them together that's just fun and engaging and I don't know, it just makes you feel good. Yeah, always a good time.
Speaker 1:So has not aged? Yeah, like at all. You say that he has not aged? Honestly, really, murray and clueless, looks exactly like the guy on the T-Mobile commercials. Yeah, weird, I know, all right.
Speaker 1:So then we've got Breckenmire, which, yay, also, can't hardly wait, also can't hardly wait. His birthday is today. He is 51. May 7th, we're recording. I looked it up and I was like, oh my God, it's today. Happy belated birthday, because that will not come out. Nope, it'll be on recording day Breckenmire, breckenmire, breckenmire, and so this was again one of his first film roles.
Speaker 1:He was in the Craft in 1996. We got to watch that too. I feel like we have so many movies, so many, can't Hardly Wait in 98. Go in 1999. Yeah, go, road Trip.
Speaker 1:Remember him in Road Trip? Yeah, that movie's so good. He was the main guy, yeah, yeah, he was like trying to get back to his girlfriend, trying to get back to his girlfriend For something, and they were trying to get a videotape of him and another girl back or something. Yeah, I remember Because Seth Green was not Seth Green, who was the Tom Green Tom Green and he had that snake and he was like a tour guide who made out with the mom at the end. If y'all never seen this movie, you're like what are they talking about? It's probably super problematic. Oh God, I can think of at least 10 things right now, but parts of it are funny In the moment. It was great, yeah. And he was in Josie and the Pussycats too in 2000. Oh, yeah, okay. And then he's been in just a variety of TV shows and things like that through the years. In the article I saw about it being his birthday, it was a People article. He looked great. I wouldn't say he looks exactly the same, but his hair was like salt and pepper. He's recognizable. Yeah, yeah, he looked cute, all right.
Speaker 1:Then we have the girl who played Amber, ellie Goldsberry Amber. She actually didn't have much of a career after this, but she had been in a few sitcoms leading up to that, including a recurring role on Saved by the Bell. I don't remember her I don't either, but it fits. She actually after Clueless and as she kind of got further into her 20s she transitioned more to producing. So she's a producer and a behind the scenes person and actually was one of the this is going to sound weird to say one of the producers for the Producers on Broadway. Oh nice, that was her Nice. So she's still doing that kind of work today, cool, yeah.
Speaker 1:Then we've got Mr Hall Wallace Shawn. Obviously we know him from Princess Bride, princess Bride. And he's also the voice of Rex, the Dinosaur in Toy Story. As soon as he started talking, cooper was listening and he's like, oh, he's Rex. And I was like, oh, yeah, he's definitely one of those voices, slash personalities you immediately recognize on screen, immediately. And then his love interest, ms Geist. Yeah, you're never going to Do you know her name?
Speaker 1:I don't know her name, it's something weird. Twink, yeah, yeah, yeah, kaplan, I knew it was something weird Cute. But she later was on a lot of TV shows. She was on the Steve Harvey show. She was in National Lampoon Senior Trip in 95, which was the same year. Was she the teacher in Varsity Blues? That's a stripper, or is that somebody else? No, I don't think that's her. Okay.
Speaker 1:And then she was in the Hot Chick. I've never saw that. You know which one that is? No, it's with the Wayans brothers pretending to be white. No, oh, she was in that movie, okay, yeah, and she had been on a bunch of commercials and TV roles and stuff, all right.
Speaker 1:So I saved this one for last. I know you know who I'm going to say. Yeah, our girl Ty Brittany Murphy. Yeah, our girl ty britney murphy. Plus, this was her breakout role in 95. So amy heckerling, the director, said that murphy stood out during the auditions because she was just so genuine, like a lot of the actresses were trying to kind of like overact it and kind of, and she was just like herself, bubbly and kind of acting like a stoner, a little bit like, just like just making it very genuine and authentic, uh, and so that kind of landed her the role, and even alicia silverstone in later years just said she was so great for the part and that she loved what she brought to the character, like the energy to the character and her accent and just all the little detail work she did to make that character what she was.
Speaker 1:And then we talked about this last episode, the movie Eight Mile, which was another really iconic role for Brittany Murphy in 2002. She was a love interest of Eminem and that was really well received. She wasn't nominated for any awards for that one, but in general the film was. And then she passed away december 20th 2009. She was only 32. She's so young, so young.
Speaker 1:She was in that movie with ashton kutcher where they got married. Yes, it's called. Was it called the newlyweds? That's not right. Just married, just married. That's what it was called. God, that movie was so funny, so good, hilarious. She was such a good actress. Honestly, the funny thing was we're sitting there watching.
Speaker 1:She comes on screen and she's what you know, she's like all awkward in the PE class or whatever. And all of a sudden Cooper goes hey, mom, she kind of looks like you and I was like, uh, I don't see it Like, and he's like, no, like, yeah, she's kind of like you. And then it was funny because you know, she sings a little bit and throughout this movie she does you hear her sing the Mentos commercial and then she does rolling with the homies and then something else, and he's like she's a really good singer and I'm like, yeah, you can tell instantly, instantly, yeah, when she opens her mouth. Yeah, interesting, I can't remember if she sang it all in 8 Mile, I would think, baby, yes, I don't know, I don't know. So, and I remember at the time there were rumors I'd have to look into this that her and Eminem had a thing.
Speaker 1:Then, probably, probably, they were both young and single. Young and single, yeah, all right, moving on with our fly facts Fly for some fly facts about fashion. Oh my god, katie, I cannot. Are you ready for the fashion fly facts? Okay? Fashion with an n fashion fashion. What's that song? You know what song I'm talking about, about fashion. Now that I keep saying it, it sounds really weird. It's like from the 80s, where I'll think of it later. It doesn't matter, think of it later, keep going, okay.
Speaker 1:So on the rewatch, do you remember the program she uses on her computer. Yeah, yeah, oh god, that was so cool, and especially in 95. Again, yeah, all young people don't know how mind-blowing that was. Mind--blowing Like the fact that A you could have all your stuff inventoried on a computer and you could just toggle mindlessly yeah, mind you, I said mindlessly but like that's something now you could probably do or you do when you shop online. But at the time that was like, oh my god, I want that. It was amazing, it was so, so cool.
Speaker 1:And so she actually wore Cher wore in the movie more than 60 different outfits. Damn, I know there's like a few, obviously that come to mind, like the yellow plaid and then the red dress, and I even think about her exercise outfit with the little white T-shirt and the black like unitard or whatever. That was 60 different outfits. And the costume designer's name is mona may and she said she really disliked the grunge fashion of the time so much that she wanted to make sure share and some of the other characters like dion and amber had like a different aesthetic got it that still sort of fit their. They kind of created a whole new genre of clothes. They really did, because it was kind of edgy still, but it was preppy at the same time. I don't know if it was edgy, you don't think so. I think it was just fashion forward. Not really edgy Makes sense, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was so cute. Everybody wanted those outfits and I saw like in Target or Walmart somewhere recently, or Kohl's or somewhere like that, they had like a plaid, like a yellow plaid skirt, and I was like, oh, should I buy this? And I was like, yeah, probably not so cute. It instantly looked like Clueless. I have a picture of, I think, amelia from middle school and there was like a back to school season there where they had the yellow plaid like on everything and so she's got like a baby doll dress in that color and didn't really know, but I like flipped out. Yeah, I was like, oh, my god, it's so cute. I think we took it to New York when we went and so I have pictures of her in New York and it's really really cute.
Speaker 1:Okay, here is another fly fact for you. I feel like we need like a music fly fact is another fly fact for you. I feel like we need like a music Fly fact. Is that what we would do? Like a sting. A sting or a flash. Well, what would you say? I don't know. I'm like thinking of the 90s, you know. Like when you're watching, I'm thinking of like 90s radio, where it'd be like fly fact oh, okay, can do both. Fly fact oh, that's so bad, we were not gonna. I love it. Okay, maybe we'll edit it in. No, we won't, don't worry guys. Okay, so this fly fact, see, it's great. Post, post edit, just kidding.
Speaker 1:Okay, it was a surprise hit. What Clueless. Oh, they didn't expect it to do as well as it did. Now, 95 was still kind of like there had been the John Hughes movies and some teen movies and stuff, but there was a little lull in that. So this is pre-Can't Hardly Wait. American Pie I didn't say anything about you American Pie. So kind of taking a risk on a teen movie that wasn't based on a franchise already established was a little bit of a risk. But it was a huge hit. Critics loved it, teens loved it. It made more than 56 million at the box office.
Speaker 1:Hey, I was there. Yeah, I was there too. It inspired a TV show. Yeah, okay, for three years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw a YouTube clip somebody sent me the other day and I was like I forgot. And like, stacey Dash was in it, donald Faison was in it, the chick who played Amber, the teachers were in it Okay, well, the female teacher, alicia Silverstone, was on it because she was making movies. Yeah, that girl, and all the things. But anyway, yeah, isn't that crazy? Three years, 96 to 99. Three years, yeah, there was a book series, fashion lines, of course, of course, and a stage musical that ran off Broadway in 2018.
Speaker 1:Okay, see, I thought that was something new they were making. We'll have to do a little follow-up on that and see if it's all new or if it's based on this. Okay, yeah, I'm not sure because of the timing of this, because you know, I know so much about producing broadway shows, but I'm one the timing on this would be thus that if they were like, yeah, let's make this a bigger thing, 2020 would have been in the way of that. Oh, yeah. So I wonder, if they tried to make it happen back, then We'll have to see. It fell apart. Now we're back, we'll come back, and it's a 25-year anniversary. Who knows, it was 30. Oh, I'm sorry, right, right, that would have been closer to 25. Oh, when it came out. But yeah, 30 now. Oh my gosh. Yeah, now I've got five facts about the soundtrack. You know we gotta talk about the soundtrack, so good guys.
Speaker 1:So before I read some of these off, what are some songs immediately that come to mind when you think of this movie and you just rewatch? The first one is the intro song where it's looking out a dirty old window outside, the cars and the city go rushing by. Yeah, do you know the name of that song? We're the kids in the city go rushing by. Yeah, do you know the name of that song? We're the kids in America. Oh, yeah, yeah, kids in America.
Speaker 1:I used to also listen to this soundtrack a lot. It's a good soundtrack. They have Fake Plastic Trees by Radiohead. Yep, fake Plastic Trees Rolling with the homies, which is rolling with your homies, not the homies, like we thought Coolio, my homies, my homies, my bad Rolling with my homies, rolling with my homies, coolio, and then what else? Hold on, I can probably name some more. I used to listen to the soundtrack a whole lot. The Mighty Boss tones are on there. Yep, there's that song that goes shake some actions. What I need. I don't know who that is my cracker. There we go. Then there's a supermodel by Jill Sobule who I met. I'll tell that story another day. Okay, yeah, I met her at a music fest back in the nineties, right around this time.
Speaker 1:So that song was written for the movie. It was yes, that's fine, it wasn't around. Supermodel was written for the movie. Okay, what else? Uh, just a girl, no doubt. Oh, yeah, but it wasn't on the soundtrack. Okay, that's all right, and this was right. Before they blew up, it was like around the same time, like they would have gotten it for the movie before. They were huge, but by the time the movie came out they were kind of on the scene, but it's not on the official soundtrack, but it became like a huge hit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, there's that other song, that, um, when they're leaving the club and Christian still dancing on the floor, get on the floor. Let's say some more. Get on the floor. Yes, I don't know what that one's called. Let me see. Yeah, is it it's um? Let me see here. Is it it's um? Is it any of these? Uh, or is it not on there? No, it is, I just don't know. It's one of these, I think. Yeah, just probably got a weird like name. Yeah, you wouldn't know.
Speaker 1:But yeah, you pretty much hit on all the big ones. Psychedelic furs there's a cover of a psychedelic first song that counting crows does, called the ghost in you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a Luscious Jackson song here. Lightning Seeds are on there. Smoking Popes, mighty, mighty Boss Tones, like you said. Velocity Girl, my forgotten favorite. I don't remember that one, unless that's what I was just singing. It might have been, it might have been it all on the floor. Let's dance, yeah, let's dance, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the soundtrack was, as we've talked about. Yeah, a hit all on its own. Yeah, because, again, young people, if you wanted to hear these songs not on the radio, you had to get the cd. Yeah, you couldn't just get it on, I couldn't even buy it on itunes. Yet I still have it.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, it's in my saw, that flippy thing. It's pink. Oh, love it. Is it just one disc then? Yeah, it's just one. Okay, cool, all right. So those are most of my fun facts. Okay, now we can get into just a lot. It's a lot of fly facts. Oh wait, I was wrong. I've been doing it wrong Different every time, not wrong Different. We're gonna test them out. Words, I never thought we'd say so. I just wrote down some random rewatch things, so we already touched on the clothing a little bit.
Speaker 1:I loved when Murray's paging Dion, oh, I know, and she's like Murray keeps paging me. I told him not to page me in school or whatever, and they all have pagers and cell phones. Yes, and cell phones. Why can't I think of Paul Rudd's name in the movie? Josh, josh, thank you. How Josh and Cher are watching Beavis and Butthead, I know. Or, while he tries to turn it on, he tries to turn on the CNN.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I thought that was really really funny and I said how they're all answering their cell phones at the table when they're at the dinner table and how it's fun. It would have been really unusual to see that in 95. Oh, yeah, like now being like no cell phones at the table is like in every house. Everyone's probably dealing with that. Well, cell phones didn't. Most people did not have them. They were only people who were of a certain class had them at this time. Cell phones, right, yeah, so that would have been like really, really funny.
Speaker 1:Lots of really funny references too. So they talk about Marky, mark, really funny, lots of really funny references too. So they talk about Marky Mark the funny. I liked the part where they take oh my gosh, all the ties excuse me through school and they're pointing out all the groups of students, which is such a cliche. Now I don't know what it was, I think. I think I think teenagers in high schools will always have groups of kids, I mean like a movie cliche, like we see it in Mean Girls, but that's because it happens in real life though that's true.
Speaker 1:Like I remember being in high school, being like that table is this, or the jocks this table is, whoever this table is, because I don't know humans like categories, like we just, and when you're a teenager you don't know and you're just wanting identity, so like Absolutely, yeah, yeah. So I thought that was really fun, okay. So a couple problematic Okay, yeah, let's before we talk about the main problematic thing, which is the stepbrother situation. Yeah, so there's a few things that did not age well. Yep, there's a lot of language. They said the word retard multiple times. Yes, I had that.
Speaker 1:They also like kind of made light of like some mental health stuff, like where he like got his report card and the teacher's like suicide temps will be trying to jump out the window or not really, but yeah, and the diet culture, that was a big one, oh my God. It was constant, so it was problematic, but it was also like. I remember it being like that, yeah, like where she's talking about the special K and tracking her exercise and she's like, oh, I feel like such a heifer because I had five M&Ms and a Diet Coke and like whatever, and it's like you basically had a snack. But even if you did have all that stuff. But here she is, a slim, slim girl, saying, oh, I feel like such a heifer, yes, and then like when she's giving Ty the books to read, she was like fit or fat and like you know, buns of steel. They were doing buns of steel, which there's nothing wrong with exercising, but it's just all these little things that were dropped into your brain as a teenage girl, cause I, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1:If you see Alicia Silverstone on screen saying she feels like she's a heifer because she literally had a snack, right, I think from a grown person's perspective it's supposed to be funny, because she's obviously not one and the things she's listing wouldn't be. But to your point, if you're saying that as a middle schooler or you don't know, you don't have the depth of that understanding to be able to be like funny, even as an adult. It's not funny, because I know plenty of grownups who think like that oh sure, still, yeah, right. And I think it's just because it just it just reinforces all that toxic ideals that were kind of ingrained in society at the time and still is. I mean, we are in the Ozempic age and we won't go into all of that, but I feel like we're kind of it kind of goes in this pendulum swing Definitely. And so we were in this really great progress of body neutrality and body positivity and seeing people in all different bodies and kind of understanding more about health. And I feel like I'm not saying that Ozempic is all bad, I'm just saying the Ozempic scene now has pushed us way back. Right, it is, it is, it is. And so I feel like when this movie came out, all of that, we were in the midst of Slim Fast and we've talked about this before snack wells and all the fat free and, like you know, thin is in and you know thin equals health and all of that bullshit. That's not true, and watching it again made me remember how I probably took all that and put it in my brain Because I mean, of course, you counted calories, I counted calories, absolutely. You know, I can remember feeling guilty because I had whatever, and I think she's presenting it as part of this bigger picture, which is another problematic thing of improving time. And so the improvement is a lot of things yeah, it's makeup, it's hair, it's a lot of it's aesthetic based, oh yeah. But it's also like, you know, socialization stuff and all that. But this whole weight component, yeah, and Ty is tiny, I know she's tiny, she's so little, I know, and it's like what, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that that whole part was a little rough to revisit but also explained a lot.
Speaker 1:There was some I don't know if homophobia is the right word, I just don't know if they it was stereotypical stuff, I think. Yeah, like when they make the comment about the gym teacher, the PE teacher, yes, how it's a narration. So she's like and are obviously same-sex loving PE teacher who wanted balls thrown at her head or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just like a little aside, but there was a few things like that, yeah. And then you know the whole thing with Christian. They gave him every stereotype they could give him right, like, oh, he loves shopping, he loves fashion, he loves whatever, not that you can't have that. I loves fashion, he loves whatever, not that you can't have that. I know plenty of gay men who do love those things, but I know plenty who don't. So I just, yeah, it was a very it was tropes. It was just it was tropes. Yeah, it wasn't bad or good. I don't think that it was anything was hateful or rude about it, it was just it's kind of stereotypical. Yeah, yeah, that's all I had problematic wise before the stuff with Josh.
Speaker 1:Oh, one thing I noticed that was thrown in that I was like, why did they do this Except to show Alicia Silverstone half naked, the scene where she's getting a massage? Oh yeah, and it makes it's literally just that one scene where she was like I'm so tense, even my masseuse, that I'm carrying you know whatever. And then it moves on to the next scene. It's literally just her half naked getting a massage and then moves on. Yeah, yeah, and I think you notice that stuff more A in a rewatch, of course, and then, as you're older too, well, yeah, did we need that? Like, that seemed unnecessary. That was totally just to show her bod, agree, but it makes me feel better knowing she was of age. She, oh, she was, she was, she was fully an adult. That makes me feel better. Yeah, but I did. I did also never notice.
Speaker 1:Uh, did you notice when you were rewatching all the face bandages? Yeah, oh, my God, I forgot about that. I don't think I ever noticed that. But there were so many like nose bandages and chin bandages from like obvious supposed plastic surgery, right, it was so funny, which was sort of the culture of the high school where they were, and I think that's another reason people really liked this movie and still like this movie, is it?
Speaker 1:A lot of the things that are happening in it are kind of unattainable for the average person, right, for the average person Right, like the fashion and the talk of plastic surgery and the nice cars and the mansions that they live in. You know, I think it's. It takes you to kind of that aspirational place where you're like, oh, I, that's not my life. I wonder what that's like. Yeah, and the fact that Cher is actually a pretty nice person generally and like they're in general, it's a wholesome story, is kind of nice. You feel comfortable in that space, as opposed to things that came later, like the Kardashians, or things that might be toxic, right, which was not fiction. Well, well, kind of fiction.
Speaker 1:Well, I actually love watching a good Kardashian marathon. Yes, I do. Interesting, I had never watched it. And then I was in Vegas for my sister-in-law's 40th and it was like the day after we'd gone out, so we just turned it on and we're like in the background, we're watching it for a few hours and I got kind of hooked on it. I was like, oh my God, this is so interesting. I never was a big fan of the Kardashians, but I used to be a huge Real Housewives person. Okay, huge, before it got to be what it is now, like the OG season. Yeah, oh my God, I loved them. I used to watch all the things on Bravo. Yeah, back in the day, bravo's got some good stuff, except I never like Kardashians are not my jam, but anyway, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Problematic is the stupid Elton. Oh, yeah, he's so skeezy. And when he's like in the car with her and he's like singing to her, yeah, I was like oh, I know, I feel like I didn't like him anyway, yeah, as a younger person watching it from the jump, but definitely as a grown person, I'm like, oh, he's so gross, so gross, and he's so entitled. Yeah, that makes it worse. He's so entitled, which we're supposed to not like him. He's so entitled yeah, that makes it worse. He's so entitled, which we're supposed to not like him. He's supposed to be gross. We're supposed to. Yeah, he did a good job. Oh, so, remember, we were talking about at the oh, did you have more stuff? No, that's it, other than the Josh Paul Rudd thing. Okay, we'll save that for the end. Yeah, I just have a couple things. When, couple things when they're sitting at the table having lunch and they're talking about sex, I thought Cher's stance on virginity was actually pretty smart because she was like I'm so picky about what I wear I mean, I don't remember what it was but she was basically like I'm so picky about all this other stuff, why wouldn't I be picky about who I give my virginity to?
Speaker 1:Yes, like, yes, ma'am, of course. Yeah, I agree, I agree with you. Yeah, and it was very articulate. Yeah, she was like unbothered. She was like okay, so what guys like? Yeah, which was nice, because a lot of the stuff we've watched, especially, you know, culture related dawson's creek, I know, I know it makes it out to be sort of like a bad thing. Yeah, there's virginity involved and this wasn't like I know I also. Okay, this was so funny.
Speaker 1:I was laughing really hard because, um, there were a couple of things in the movie that like transpire in my real life. Number one you know where they're getting on the freeway and Murray's like we're getting on the freeway which she's driving screaming yeah, it does that to me sometimes. It's been a a while, but we, there'll be times where he's like, remember that scene in clueless it's, it's been a while, but I forgot. I was like, yeah, I forgot about that. Okay, also, when ty, when ty comes into that party, that, or when they go with christian and she falls down the stairs oh my god, my God, so relatable. And then that was like she's like, oh my God, that's so embarrassing. And she's like nobody paid attention. They were like, well, you're the girl that fell down the stairs. Yeah, and that was right after she was at a party where she got hit in the head with a shoe. I know, poor Ty, god bless.
Speaker 1:I was like that is so my energy, like that is so my energy, like I totally feel that so funny. Or I know the time we wore our wind suits. And then you're like, oh, I'm just going to run to Kohl's and I'll be back. So you're like, no, no one's going to notice. And then days later one of our followers, samantha's, like I thought I saw Danny in that, walking into Kohl's. Well, what she said first was she said I saw somebody in Kohl's and I was like what in the world? And then I realized it was Danny. I don't care, it's fine, I'm going to go run a few errands, it'll be fine. I mean, who cares if I really don't care? But it was funny, it was, but it is totally especially cause I I have horrible, I am not very coordinated and I do have horrible luck with them.
Speaker 1:Clumsiness, I just showed Katie a boo-boo. I got on my leg today. It's really bad, literally from running into my bed, putting away the bed that's been there all this time in the same spot. Yes, no, I don't know if I've told you. My daughter, london, has that same thing and I think she was tall, young, kind of like my youngest. Oh, so she, just when she was younger, had some body. Yeah, but she would, you know, maybe be like after shower getting her PJs on or something when she was young and she'd just be like bruised yeah, that's me, what happened to you? She would just shrug, yeah, like I don't know life, I don't have the tall excuse, but she's like, yeah, that's me, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1:Oh, there were some racist comments too. Oh, I see, I think those went right over my head, not really Well, they were like racial stereotypes, okay, okay, and like when she talks about I mean now one she did get called out on, when she's like talking to her maid and she's like I don't speak Mexican and Josh is like she's not Mexican, she's from El Salvador or something. I don't remember what. He said, right, and she and I was. It was just like that. Yeah, that kind of stuff. It wasn't as bad as other, right, but no, you're right, but it was there and yeah, um, I think that's all I've got. And then just the Paul Rudd stuff, yeah, and I feel like just exactly what Cooper said.
Speaker 1:I know the movie would have been just fine if it all resolved. As you know, ty being happy and Cher learning a little lesson about you know what it means to be a friend. He could still have the stepbrother there, but he doesn't have to, absolutely. I liked him as a character. Yeah, I think I think it's fun and I think it gives sort of an antihero to all the kind of affluence and for lack of a better word snobbery. Yeah, have this like guy who, like you know, college kid, not into all that stuff, stuff I think is a good foil, but yeah, it just.
Speaker 1:And and it just makes you wonder, because what you were just saying about her defending her virginity, you're like yay, yay, so then why do you have to hook her up? I know by the end some college guy like can she just continue to be awesome independent chair just for the movie? Eventually she should find love, of course, but like we don't have to have to, doesn't have to, you don't have to, she'd like to, which? And that's the thing. She didn't. I guess she kind of she didn't seem overly worried about being a relationship in the movie. I say that until the end was yeah, until the end she wasn't. Until the end, yeah, but I feel like it was just gross, like it just, and the creepy vibes missed me completely when I was a teen.
Speaker 1:I know, I think that's the part that really stopped me in my tracks, because when I watched it with my kid and the kid said, right, which probably about the same age at the time, said this is really weird and I don't like it. And can we turn it off? Well, also, the whole used to be your stepbrother situation. Yeah, I get it, he's not anymore. Well, like, yeah, and I think they they try to set it up that way early. I know she's like they were married for five minutes, but it's like it's still. It just doesn't rub you the right way. Yeah, especially when you've grown fond of both characters. Yeah, and then you're like well, now I don't know how to feel about them.
Speaker 1:And, like, you know, you know that part where he like goes to the party to like watch her or whatever. I was like, couldn't he have just done that because he's being nice? We could have left it at that. That he's feeling brotherly, right, would have been a good storyline. Like, hey, maybe our parents were only married for five minutes, but I feel a loyalty to you to make sure you're safe and et cetera. Because the dad even says you divorce spouses, not children. Yes, so the dad's reiterating what he views him as a child. So that's fucking weird. Right, it's weird. I don't like it. Well, dad's reiterating what he views him as a child. So that's fucking weird, right, it's weird. I don't like it.
Speaker 1:Well, let's end on a better note. What do we got? We got a better note. Do you have one? Okay, tell me your. Well, my final thought. Here's my final thought. I said, besides the stepbrother issue and some problematic stereotypes and language, this movie is still a good time. I totally agree.
Speaker 1:I was smiling almost the whole time watching it and just like really enjoying it, and I think knowing just most of these characters went on to do like so many other cool things and are cool people still today, just made me even more like, oh my gosh, look at them. They're so young, except for Paul Rudd, who looks exactly the same, and Donald Faison too. Yeah, you're so young, except for Paul Rudd, who looks exactly the same, and Donald Faison too. Yeah, you're right, though I'm going to start noticing that now. Every time I see him in something I'm going to be like dude, whatever Fountain of Youth they've got, share, please, yeah, please. They're not going to. I know it's their Fountain of Youth club. We're not in it. I Well.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys for coming along on the ride with us. Should we do trivia? Oh, yeah, let's do trivia. Maybe we should just do 90s, I agree, yeah, let's each read each other a 90s question. Okay, let's see I brought my See what I mean about this cover. We'll talk about that later. We'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1:Here we go. I'm just going a good one. All right, you want to go first? Sure, I'm going to give you clues and you have to guess what the thing is. Okay, but there's a list of words I can't say All right, all right, oh gosh, this is actually going to be really hard. Oh, my God, something super great. You're describing something great. You would say you are fantastic. No, it's. I can't say that word. It's jargon from the 90s. There's a version of it that says your dot com, the bomb, the bomb, yeah, but I realized after I said I was going to do it, I couldn't say slang, you Awesome Explosion. I wasn't going to say DaBombcom, dabomb. But when I said this thingcom, you knew let's go. All right, put it in the right spot so Troy doesn't get mad. Okay, well, he doesn't, he's not here. I, okay, hold please. Okay, it's going to be a good one, I can feel it. Oh God, that's hard. Okay, you might get this. Okay, all right, I'm going to give you some clues and you just guess as soon as you can. There's three.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was team coach of the Bricklayers on MTV's Rockin' Jock series. Okay, I was Jess Hansen in Melrose Place and Georgia's man Crush on Seinfeld. I hosted MTV Sports and was often seen wearing a headband. Who am I? I don't think I know this. I'm trying to think of the Seinfeld reference because it feels like that. I think you'll know as soon as I say his name, as soon as you say it. No, just tell me Dan Cortez. Oh, yeah, remember him, and he always had that headband on. Yes, okay, yep, I see it. I forgot he was the man crush on Seinfeld. Man crush on Seinfeld. So, oh my gosh, so good.
Speaker 1:Well, listeners, let us know if you got those right. If you're a Clueless fan, you're going to go rewatch it. All the things. Let us know. Oh and, by the way, I will probably have already posted this on socials by the time you hear this episode, but we have our whole Zennial Girl Summer books and Picks selected. So what that means is we are going to read four Zennial book classics this summer and have episodes about them, and we'll re-watch four Zennial movies this summer. Yep, we've already picked them. If you want to read and watch along with us, I will have put out our list of the dates that our episodes will go live. Yes, so that way you can have watched or read in preparation for the episode. I love that. I can't wait. I know Sunny Old Girl Summer. It's going to be so good. All right, all right, guys, we'll be here soon. We'll see you next time, bye, bye.
