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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
ShowBiz Pizza: Where a Xennial Can Be a Kid
Are rats and pizza synonymous in your mind? Did the jingle of gaming tokens in your plastic cup spike your childhood adrenaline?
Did your favorite fictional chicken wear a wig?
If you still remember the OG place that combined pizza, animatronic animals and gaming -- you might be a Xennial who went to ShowBiz Pizza in the 1980s.
Join us as we embark on a nostalgic journey back to the pizza parlor-centric 1980s to revisit the delicious cultural touchstone that was Showbiz Pizza and its evolution into Chuck E. Cheese.
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Did singing animatronic animals ever attend one of your birthday parties? Were you ever so busy racking up arcade points and tossing tokens into a plastic cup that your pizza got cold? If you used to get down to the music of the Rock-A-Fire Explosion Band, then you might be a Xennial who used to go to Showbiz Pizza, and we are too. Hi, I'm Katie and I'm Dani and you are listening to Generation Inbetween, a Zennial podcast where we revisit, remember and relearn things. All. What, what'd I say? We relearn all sorts of things from being an 80s kid and a 90s teen. I'm changing that up. Usually we say 80s childhoods and 90s teen, young adulthoods, and that is a lot. That's a lot. We were mostly teens in the 90s. So I think 80s kids, 90s teens I like that, let's do that. And then we can add aughts, young adults. No, we don't need to. Is the aughts and the tens? I don't know. We don't need to do that. It's fine because we only talk about the 80s, 90s, it's all right. Y'all heard it here first. We're making a change. Okay, wow, our verbiage all right.
Speaker 1:Well, today, back to the script, back to what we originally scheduled programming. Today we are traveling back in time to the pizza, parlor-centric 1980s, again with a delicious cultural touchstone Showbiz Pizza, yes. And if this is your first time dropping by, welcome to Generation Inbetween, buckle up. Oh yeah, get ready, we've got a great episode lined up for you. If you are back and you've been a listener for a while or an OG listener, welcome back again. We know you love you. Know you know we love you.
Speaker 1:Guys, what is happening today? It's not nighttime. I think I got too complicated. I got too complicated on this intro. No, it's just normal words. It's just normal words. Wait, it's not nighttime, even it's not nighttime. But while you're I can confirm, while you're listening go ahead, please. Well, maybe not right this second. Listen a little longer. First, because we're a mess up until now, but leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts, but not right now. Review, oh, you listen to podcasts, but not right now. Um, because reviews are the simplest free way for other people to find us and join this zennial conversation.
Speaker 1:You can give us a subscribe over on youtube. We post our full episodes there, but we also have some youtube shorts, yes, that are kind of popular. They're. No, they're not compared to our normal videos. They're popular. Well, yeah, they do have a few hundred views, A few hundred, yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1:Look, I don't know how to do the YouTube shorts yet You've been doing them, I know, but I got to figure out how to do the little thumbnail pick. That's, I think, what's going to get us going, because people will catch it. Yeah, yeah, us going, people will catch it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know how to do it. And everybody, somebody's out there probably like, oh, my god, it's so easy. Well, not for me. Okay, we'll figure that out. It's on my list, okay, and since we are asking, anyway, be sure you are following us. Yeah, instagram, facebook, youtube, and we're on tiktok. I know we are on tiktok, we are, and it um, oh, yeah, I told you about the time, um, or you sent it to me. Why, um, when someone commented yo, tegan's mom is on tiktok. Yo, this is tegan's mom. It's hilarious. Well, speaking of that, this was so funny.
Speaker 1:I was dropping cooper off at the avenues one day to go hang with luca and some other little kid from their show. Luca comes up to the window. By the way, this is my kid's friend, who's why he's like 13, I guess 13, 13, 40. I don't know. He's in eighth grade. He comes and knocks on my window before I drive away and he's like I've been listening to your podcast, it is hilarious, and he goes.
Speaker 1:I probably listened to one that was inappropriate but it was so funny and I was like, oh, oh, man, cause we've got the E on us because of my potty mouth and uh, so Cooper can't have access to that yet Cause he's only 12. Once he turns 13, it'll go away, okay, but um, so who knows? Cooper's like, oh, my friends are listening. And I was like, well, that's their parents' problem. They can have the conversation with them after our inappropriate episodes. Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1:But then I was like what episode was inappropriate? We're not inappropriate for an adult. No, maybe it was just like language or something. Maybe it was me talking about Dawson's dad. Probably that's the most inappropriate that it gets around here. Yeah, I think I don't know, I can't think of. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. I mean we save most of that juicy stuff for the bonus. No, we don't If we talk about, but it's fine. Look like I said, talk about vitamins. We had one where we're like, wow, listen, that's their parents problem.
Speaker 1:If you don't, if your kids listening to this, you know what I like to think that they're learning something right, like I mean, we are teaching the younger gen. See, I did it again. The younger gens, the younger Jen. See, I did it again. The younger Jens Including Jennifer's. Oh, that's what I thought you meant. No, I meant generations. The younger Jens. Oh Lord, all right, all right, all right, wow, okay. Anyway.
Speaker 1:So, younger Jens, you may not have ever heard of Showbiz Pizza. Showbiz pizza. Okay, let's start there. Did you ever go to showbiz pizza when it was showbiz pizza? Yes, okay, what do you remember? I mean, I basically remember well, we talked about this. I have a picture of me. We haven't put old pictures up on our pods in a while and we need to do a refresh. I have a picture of me in that chair thing that moves around in a circle. Do you remember that? And that was when it was still showbiz pizza. It was not Chuck E Cheese yet. Yes, but I want to say the one in my hood switched to Chuck E Cheese pretty early on.
Speaker 1:So I'm interested to hear the background, the life's, I swear, everything I research I say this about, but the lifespan of showbiz pizza as showbiz pizza is very short. Yeah, because I want to say I remember the animatronics changing. Some of them changed, but some didn't, right? Do you have any animatronic research? I do, okay, I'm interested to hear about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, was there a bird? Yes, okay, yeah, why do I remember? I don't know, but you know your brain's weird.
Speaker 1:When you're a kid you remember, like exactly, I love animatronics. Do you like them? I don't know. You're gonna say that I'm I. I I do find them like fascinating from a creation standpoint. Yeah, I think it's really cool, but like I'm not entertained by them, I don't know. I'd rather just like see a person, or I mean, I would rather see live people too. But like animatronics have a purpose, that's like okay, that always reminds me of, like you know, I love Disney, right, and there was this episode of Roseanne where they went to Disney. You will actually find great entertainment in this. You got to look at it. It's a two parter, okay, okay, I think it was like the early mid nineties when they went to Disney and, um, every time they were like they would see, like something they'd be like oh, is it animatronic? So they like be a bird, like eating crumbs. They're like, oh, is it animatronic? Everything, everything is animatronic. Is that person real or is it animatronic? That is so great, I know. So you don't like animatronic.
Speaker 1:I didn't say I don't like them, I just said I don't know. I mean I did like going to show this pizza, okay, so there's that. Yeah, what's your memories? Um, there was one, not in my town, but like there was a sort of like a hub town near us that had everything, yeah, like the big mall, all the restaurants, et cetera. Um, and they had one. So for a while there it was like birthday parties were there, or if my parents were just like let's do something special, we would go. I don't know how many times we went, but I definitely have like strong memories from that.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, it's funny too, because, like showbiz pizza, which then became Chuck E Cheese, there weren't a lot of places like that that would do kids birthday parties. Right, you were kind of limited. Now there's so many, well, and we'll talk about that. Like that's kind of sorry, no, no, it's okay, but you're right. Like the downfall of that, yeah, like now you could pick not just a trampoline park, several trampoline parks and a go-kart place. Laser tag, like laser tag, yeah. Golfing, yes, all the things pools like anything like set up for this, even like what, what is it? I can't remember what it's called. Obviously, you could always go to the skating rink, but there's some set up for like parties now where you go, and there's like a roller skating part and a bowling part and a like. It's just like set up for that.
Speaker 1:Commonly and we'll talk about this in here too referred to as like family fun centers, yeah, which we talked about with arcades. We did, yeah, so same kind of thing, okay. So, yes, as you've already mentioned, showbiz pizza again to our younger gens um, I gotta stop. Is now chucky cheese? Yeah, one in the same, and we're going to talk about how all that, how that made this way. Yeah, oh, I do remember the pizza was real shitty. Okay, I remember loving it as a kid. Now, you like shitty pizza. No animatronics, but shitty pizza. I'm here for, yes, I I actually went recently, cause you know, like, one of my kids went to a party and I went to and I thought the pizza was good.
Speaker 1:I cannot what? Yeah, I liked it, girl, it was. I mean, it was soggy, it was very salty, it was very plain, but I liked it. I like salty and greasy, but like I don't know. But I can't step foot in a fucking Chuck E Cheese these days, do not? I'm surprised you went. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1:Ooh, you have more patience for screaming children than me. The thing is the way that it's set up. Because I'm not great at like playing with my kids and stuff I can. I could just sit there and they can have fun, yeah, but it's loud, it's so loud I can't handle all the kids like they are just thrilled out of their minds and I'm just like I'm gonna sit here and write in my journal disassociate, disassociate, which I'm good at you are. I'm not good at it, I'm not. I don't feel like I'm a good disassociator. I can be like that situation over there, that loud situation my kids involved in is what they're doing and I'm just right here. I'm not good at that. I'm not good at that. Yeah, so I don't mind.
Speaker 1:But also also, the last time we were at a Chuckie cheese was years ago. One of my kids was at a birthday party and it was packed. It was like a fucking Saturday afternoon, which is like the worst time, and the present we brought got stolen. What A hundred percent. It was like a um, like a, like a DS game. Yeah, girl, it got stolen From the fucking birthday table.
Speaker 1:I would say was it gift wrapped? Still, yeah, somebody took. And it was. That wasn't the only thing that was stolen. I was going to say was it gift wrapped? Still, yeah, somebody took. And that wasn't the only thing that was still in. I was going to say was there other stuff? Because they probably didn't know it was wrapped in those gifts. Right, oh yeah, they just took shit, just took it. Wow, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, yikes, got to watch yourself. And Chuck E Cheese guys. Okay, well, now I know they take a DS game. They're taking my DS game and I'm sure it was a kid.
Speaker 1:100%, my journal markers 100%, nobody wants those, you're fine. Okay, my old, all right. So let me hear the history. I'm ready, all right. So the origin story, origin, the origin, the origin story, the origin story that was a me word. Look at you and I'm really going for it. Okay, you're going.
Speaker 1:So it all starts with this guy and you'll have to tell me if you recognize this name. Okay, nolan Bushnell. Does that ring a bell? It does. Some of our listeners are probably like, oh my God, but I don't know what form. He's the co-founder of Atari. Oh, okay, he came up in our research. Yeah, and mine and Troy's. Yes, so you've seen the name and I'm like, where's that from Right? You're like, I wrote down his name, like multiple times. You've written down how many names since we've done this podcast. All right, so Bushnell, who apparently has lots of great ideas, grew up in Utah and he studied electrical engineering.
Speaker 1:Okay, he got his first taste of the entertainment business while he was managing games division at an amusement park. Oh, I didn't know that he really wanted to work for Disney. He wanted to, like make the things for the park. Well, because they were like the people at the time, I mean, they still kind of are. Yeah, they still are. So he wanted to be an imagineer, basically, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he wanted to. Yeah, yeah. So he wanted to like create the things for the parks, the really cool things. But he tried a couple times to get a job there and it didn't pan out. So he ended up working at Ampex Corp Very boring. But he met this guy, ted Dabney, who ended up being his future business partner for Atari.
Speaker 1:Dabney and Bushnell Yep, dabney and Bushnell so together. This is crazy. They actually had this idea. They wanted to open a pizza parlor with a disney style animatronic entertainment. But after seeing space war, the first ever video game, they pivoted and they were like you know what, let's like make a game instead. So, like, they had this pizza animatronic idea and then they were like, meh, let's try something else. And that's when they made computer space, which was a flop, didn't really work out. This is weird because none of this came up in my research with them and the pizza, and weird, right, none of it. That is kind of strange, I know, because what was your episode about? Because his was in nintendo. Oh, arcades, yeah, yeah. I was like did you do one on video games? Oh, rewind, well, no, when I was writing this out, I was like, where was she talking? Yeah, it was the arcades. That makes sense. Yeah, like, because you're talking about how it became popular. Yeah, and space wars and all that, yeah, and I just said we've already talked about this game on previous episodes. Yeah, too, they're, they're vips around here, these guys, these guys, man. So when that flopped, they regrouped, rebranded as atari, as we know, and they created pong, which was the game that, like launched the whole arcade craze, um. So they were very successful.
Speaker 1:Bushnell ended up selling at to Warner communications in 1976 for 28 million Right. So as part of that sale, bushnell signed a five year non-complete agreement, meaning he couldn't make any more video games or a video game company. So, like five years especially as a young, youngish person like it's a long time. What are you going to do? So he was like but he got 28 mil, yeah, I'll be chilling, I'd be doing some things, yeah. So he I'd be Be like, oh well, I can't work for five years. How sad is that? Yeah, I guess that's probably true. Actually, you'd probably still try and find a job. Don't lie, you would, you would. But I'd find a job I really wanted to do. Oh, there you go. That'd be the difference. Although most of my jobs I really want to do, most maybe four out of five. Okay, okay, we'll leave that. Um. So he couldn't do that.
Speaker 1:So then he decided you know what I'm gonna do? This animatronic pizza joint idea that I had, I love it. So he decides to loop back, which sounds so crazy, but genius, right, right. Like now it's like yeah, oh, what a great idea. But like back then it's like you're gonna pivot from pong to animatronics in a pizza parlor. I don't know, it's kind of weird. I mean, I feel that it's the same energy. I feel like animatronics. So what you, what you touched on with disney, were having a moment. Yeah, and the idea are they still. Has the moment ever stopped? No, now they're so lifelike. It's weird. Yeah, they really are. I know Like they're freaking, it's great. Well, and you know, like and I'll talk about this a little more later too like the spinoff, like the five nights at Freddy's and all the pop culture touch points on this.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Bushnell decides he's going to fund one experimental restaurant. Okay, he's going to give this pizza animatronic thing a try. Um, well, actually, before he got to the pizza animatronics, he had all these different ideas for one. He was going to do one that had antique organs, like well, that sounds like a fucking good time and like let's go have pizza and organs. Yeah, I don't know if it was even pizza, it was just like a concept for a restaurant, maybe. I mean, pizza goes good with everything. Organ, like like church Instrument organs yes, not like Antique human organs. No, well, you never know. You never know. I have some friends who would make a restaurant like that. Yeah, you're right, period that and it would be, it would be amazing. Yeah, um, and then, just like other vintage restaurant ideas. But in the end he decided, okay, yep, well, thank god, electronic thing. I don't know if we would, he would have been a name in our house, our house, in our podcast, if he would have gone with the organs. I'm just saying human or instrument, either one, either one. Sorry, something's in my eye. Look, not all ideas can be winners. Okay, true, some are not.
Speaker 1:So he decided, you know, because this is going to be targeted for kids and families, he needs a mascot, right? So his first mascot, he thought, was going to be a coyote. And the reason I say that is because he was at a trade show and he saw this costume that he thought was a coyote and he was like, oh yes, my restaurant, this is going to be the mascot, weird, right. But then once he buys it, gets it wherever he's going to be, takes it out of the package. Whatever he figures out, it's a rat, coyote and rat, I guess. Maybe the colors, maybe it was just made shitty and that's probably so why would you want a coyote? I'm I am guessing and I don't know this for sure. It just like he saw it at the trade show. It just looked like a fun coyote. You know what we need? We need a mascot.
Speaker 1:We've been having coyotes in our neighborhood. Oh, I believe it. But like it's weird, they just be chilling by the like the retention ponds. Girl luigi stays inside, right, well, well, yeah, okay, good, I mean he goes outside the enclosure, but, okay, good, he has limited, he has limited mobility, but isn't that crazy. Anyway, sorry, that was weird coyotes. So he realizes it's a rat, but instead of being like I guess he wasn't that attached to this coyote idea because he was like oh, yeah, sure, fine, let's use that. Oh, and they were going to name him rick rat. Okay, I love that, I love it too. Ricky would be better ricky rat. Yeah, that'd be cute.
Speaker 1:But I found a source that said I don't know if bushnell said this or someone on his team said that Rick rat sounded too much like Mickey mouse is sketchy, cousin. Oh my God, oh my God. Okay, wait, pause, right, this just made me think of you know how. Okay, so everyone who's listening that doesn't know this. We live in Florida.
Speaker 1:About an hour from the theme parks, there is a amusement center on the way to the theme parks called the fun. What is it? Fun spot, fun spot. And there's like a big like gift palace. Oh yeah, right, yeah, and I always wanted to go in there because I'm like sometimes you can find cool shit in there. And my family were like we're not going in there. And then troy's like yeah, all the stuff they have is going to be like ricky rouse and like ricky rouse instead of mickey mouse. So then one night, like they just kept rolling with that joke and they kept coming up with like like names of like like low-ranked cousins of all the characters that they were gonna sell in the gift palace. In the gift palace oh, my God, you know where I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so one hurricane, when we evacuated years ago this was before you lived in this area we stayed at the hotel next to that. Oh no, you didn't. Did you go in there? Yes, and so all the children. It's fun. We're like and I say all the children because I have a lot but also our neighbors evacuated to the same one and they have four. So I have five, they have four. At the time we all had hamsters, so our hamsters came with us, our hamsters were in our hotel rooms, and then my friend Corinne randomly came with her kids. Oh my God, that sounds like a fun evacuation, though it was fun because it ended up being like a non-issue in the end. There was like a little bit of like a couple hours of scariness. We had to like stay in and whatever, but most of the time we just like swam in the pool and like hung out, but we the kids kept wanting to go in there and finally we're like we should just like go in there and get it over with. It's fun, it's a good time.
Speaker 1:It wasn't Ricky Rouse level, but it was like knockoff stuff of all the parks, mostly Disney. Yeah, it's expensive. Yeah, it was funny. No, it's not expensive, it's like $2. Oh, okay, I've been in there. Oh yeah, gift palace I can't. And it's like right by the highway. Yeah, everything is the same one. Okay, yeah, yeah, they recently repainted it. Yes, yeah, yeah, everybody that's local knows exactly what we're talking about. Oh, yeah, and they're going to be like Katie, that shit's not expensive. Yeah, it's not Katie's, like it was a five whole dollars. But listen, if you've got like a bajillion kids in there, that's true, it adds up. That is expensive. It does Literally For what it was For non-official stuff, correct, all right, sorry.
Speaker 1:So back to Rick, rick, rick, rat. So they were like nah, mickey mouse is sketchy. I said that cause valid. Yeah, it's true, it's true. So they decided on calling the rat Chuckie cheese Nice. So he's been there from the start. Oh, I didn't know that he's been the mascot, I didn't know it's a three smile name. He says try saying Chuck E Cheese without your mouth curving into a smile. Oh, everybody, try it right now.
Speaker 1:Chuck E Cheese, three smile name, damn it. I wish I would have thought about that with my kids. I was just thinking that A three smile kid, except that you can't smile when you say Combs. It's a pouty name. Yeah, which it's funny, because everybody on Troy's side of the family they have RBF really bad. They're incredibly lovely people, but you know, if you have RBF you can't help it. You can't help it. Combs, parsons. So gomes, the first you'd smile when you say parsons, parsons, a little, it's a halfway. And yeah, maybe, like I was thinking, tegan parsons is three smiles. Oh, and you did the eyebrow too, but my other kids not so much. Okay t, we're just throwing everybody's name out there. Okay, yeah, let's uh add my grandmother's name and social security number.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it wasn't originally called Showbiz Pizza, it was called Chuck E Cheese's Pizza Time Theater. Jesus Lord, yeah. So the first one opened in San Jose, california, on May 17th 1977. Oh, I didn't think it was the late 80s, it was a while before. And it was this concept of pizza, arcade games, animatronic shows featuring Chucky and his crew and the animatronic characters performed in fake picture frames around the showroom and they would break out into song while the kids ate their pizza.
Speaker 1:And people loved it. Oh, I love it. They just thought it was so great, but it's also kind of creepy. Yeah, and people loved it. Oh, I love it. They just thought it was so great, but it's also kind of creepy. Yeah, which hints? Five nights at freddy's, because don't they come to life or whatever. I've never watched that. Five nights at freddy's, I, something like that. It's something like a spoiler alert something, and I'm probably wrong too. So maybe not spoiler alert, so maybe we just don't talk about it.
Speaker 1:A kid dies in the arcade and then he like, or several kids do and they haunt the animatronics. Dies in the arcade, oh Jesus, and then he like, or several kids do, and they haunt the animatronics, oh, and then they like go after people. That's a lot darker than I thought it was. Yeah, it's actually super dark, oh, all right, well, so, anyway, he started like it was popular. So then he decided, okay, I'm going to start franchising this. Okay, as one does in the 80s and really any time.
Speaker 1:So he attracts this investor, robert L Brock, who had made a fortune running several Holiday Inns Right, he's a Holiday Inn franchisee. How they met each other, I have no idea. That's so crazy. Okay, but this guy, robert Brock, signed a $200 million development deal, dang, to basically spread the chain of Chuck E Cheese's Pizza Time theater or whatever it was called. They missed out on an opportunity. They should have had a hotel. Yeah, oh, yeah, right, that would have been awesome. Holiday in, have an animatronic hotel. Kid, he's like I would not go there. No, I would not, especially after I just told you about five nights in freddy's. Children died there. But that's fake, oh, I know anyways. So, holiday in, man, okay, okay, how much money 200 million, dang.
Speaker 1:And specifically, he wanted to take the chain because it was just in california at the time to the midwest and southern us, which is probably like when, when we got one, you got one, um, and so bushnell, by 79, he was, like, officially out of atari, like, and that's a whole other story. But he was now fully focused on this pizza time chucky cheese situation. Um, so he began aggressively marketing it to try to attract more franchisees. Uh, promotional paraphernalia passed out. He hired a pr firm. Uh, pizza time theater was touted as having the only computer-controlled 3d animation outside disneyland. Well, yes, um.
Speaker 1:So bob brock, like robert brock same guy I was already talking about um, he want. Part of the reason he wanted to invest was to kind of diversify his portfolio. Oh, okay, so it wasn't just hotels, he had other things going on. Yeah, so he ended up helping open in 16 different states, dang, several, and they had a target of 285 that they wanted to open. Jeez, yes, 285 that they wanted to open. Jeez, yes, 200 to be operated directly by Brock's company, which is there's a longer name for it, it's just abbreviated T-I-M. Tim, I don't know what you call it Tim. Yeah, and then they would have. So they'd have 200 that, like his company ran, and then 85 that would be like franchise. Oh, so they weren't all franchise owned Interesting. Oh, so they weren't all franchise owned, interesting, yeah, so I wonder why, I don't know, like just to give them. I don't get that either. Like, why wouldn't you do one or the other? Yeah, like, that seems like a bigger headache to do. Yeah, two kinds of that, yeah, I don't know that I can even think of, not that. I know the business models of everywhere. Well, I do, oh, do, oh, you do. I don't know of anyone else who does that. Like, watch, like every business do that. And we just, exactly, we're like that's crazy. If you could franchise like a target, you can't, but what if you could? Oh, wow, well, you know. Some stuff, though, are franchises. That I think is weird. That's like a franchise, like like my stepdad used to own a medicine shop, okay, which is like a like locally owned franchise, which is weird. It's a pharmacy. I don't know. That's strange to me. Yeah, I guess that is kind of weird. Yeah, I think it's weird that mcdonald's are franchised because they are. You didn't know that. No, they're. Yeah, they're all independently owned. It's just generally sorry, just you, they are. I didn't know that they're all independently owned. Well, why would I know? I don't know, I don't, I don't know, I don't know why you would know that, but you guys are like everybody. Actually everybody probably doesn't know that. I have no idea. Listeners at. I knew chick-fil-a was and I know we found out, even though chick-fil-A's hate chicken. But anyways, sorry, I had to throw that out there. Little aside, we found out that they offer the franchise owner decides if they offer a military discount or not. So it's regional and you know we have like 1,800 Chick-fil-A's around here. Only one of them, locally, chose to have a military discount, which is interesting. Is it the big one on Wickham? It's the one, yeah, like in viera, yeah, okay, but the other one in viera does not weird. And it's weird because there's a military base here. Yeah, I feel like that would be totally to your benefit. It would. That's odd, not weird. Anyway, I think that's weird. Shame on you. Chick-fila for lots of things, but thanks for always saying my pleasure. And their sauce is really yummy. Look, I'll be admitting to you guys that I try not to eat it, but every now and then I'm a hypocrite, I've said that before and I'm like man. Those waffle fries I need to go have some. They are good in the sauce, that's what I mean, the sauce, because it's bland are good in the sauce. That's what I mean, the sauce. And because it's bland, ass food without the sauce. I will backpedal for a second. When I said every McDonald's is independently owned, there probably are some corporate owned ones, like airports and stuff, so maybe that's another model where it's franchise but also corporate. Yeah, I don't know, I'd have to look into that, but OK, everybody's asleep now, so we'll stop talking about that. I will say, though, like, generally with things like McDonald's, you own more than one normally. Oh, that's true. So, like a franchise owner might own, like a whole county or a whole city or a whole region. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, okay, sorry guys, anyway, okay, okay, getting back, getting back, getting back between Brock and Bushnell began to deteriorate very quickly. Oh, as it turned out, bob Brock and his associates were unhappy with the idea of being franchisees, so they didn't like this, which is what Bushnell was kind of like Boston, they don't like that. They wanted it corporate. Yeah, so, just, even within a few months, tim, the other company, wanted to back out of some of their financing. And not only that, they started to figure out on their own how to do the same thing. Oh, like, they figured they could build the restaurants, they could buy the games. They just had to figure out how to do the animatronics. So they start going to, and this is still in the 70s, we're in 1979. Oh, we're not even in the 80s yet, no. So they ended up going to this electronics conference, the IAAPA, and they found this company called Creative Engineering Inc, which is out of Orlando, and at this particular exhibit they had two fully animated shows the Wolfpack Five and the Hard Luck Bears. I would like to watch them. What do you mean? Do I remember them? No, your face is like that sounds fun. It does sound fun. I don't know who they are either, but yes, I love me an animatronic animal, me too. You said you didn't fun. I don't know who they are either, but yeah, I love me an animatronic animal, me too. You said you didn't. She don't know. Guys, I would. I love the idea of the hard luck bears. Okay, whoever they are. So you like them. It just depends on what's happening. Okay, that makes sense. I think I was thinking specifically of like chucky cheese when you asked me. They're kind of, and I don't really like them that much. Yeah, they're fucking the idea of like Chuck E Cheese when you asked me that question and I don't really like them that much but the idea of like the Wolf Pack and hard luck bears they sound cute, the hard luck bears Is that supposed to be like the bad news bears? Except they can't say that because it was like a movie. Oh, I didn't even think about that, but maybe they're like. Okay, guys, what can we say instead of bad news? Hard luck bears, wow, you, wow, you know where those belong in the gift palace. The knockoff bad news bears like they'll be in the top, like the hard luck bears in baseball outfits okay, oh, wow, okay. I wonder if they had on baseball outfits. I bet they did. All right, we'll have to find a picture. So this company, this creative engineering company, had been operating since 1975, so a few years and it was the whole brainchild and idea of their 21 year old founder. He must have been 21 in 1975, aaron fetcher. So now we got another guy in the mix. Of course he's like good at all this stuff. Yes, so he just kept displaying different things at all these conferences, finally caught the eye of some of these people trying to make the pizza place, but he also caught the eye of Bushnell. So this is interesting. So this other company that's like wanting to now break off from Bushnell and all that met him in 79. But Bushnell met him in 77 at a conference, discussed with him the concept of this animated characters in a pizza restaurant, yada, yada, and like wanting to like go even deeper on it and like have better animatronics and like how can you help me? How can we partner? Go even deeper on it, like have better animatronics, and like how can you help me? How can we partner? Um, but this other guy, this aaron fetcher, didn't really like bushnell and he knew that. He said it. He feared that bushnell would quickly run him under and politely declined to like work with him. I wonder if he was like skeezy, I wonder, you know, like skeezy businessman, like trying to. Yeah, because there was something about him that he was like no, I don't want to work with you. Okay, but he changed his mind and decided to meet with this other company, not not bush, not his mind about bushnell, but about the animatronic pizza. But he liked his idea. He just didn't like the idea yeah, I don't want to work with him. So he met with this company personally and this is a weird quote I found in an article. So Brock, the big company owner, holiday Inn guy, is meeting the 20-ish year old animatronic guy and he said he was pleasantly surprised to find it wasn't a kid making junk in his garage. I was like what that's so patronizing? And also like why would you meet with him if that's what you thought? Well, first of all, like just because he's in his 20s and he's a creative doesn't mean he's like struggling right, like he's working for a whole company. And and like to back what, back up what you just said, um the company that he had employed 25 people and had clients all over the country. And also think of all the people who used to make junk in their garage that became huge millionaires. Isn't it like Bill Gates? Steve Jobs, steve Jobs, I would say Steve Jobs, it is my Achilles heel. And Troy's like why do you always say his name wrong? I don't know, I like to make him fancy. Is that your favorite book in the Bible? Job? No, that's the worst. Do you know the trials Job goes through? It's awful. And what is it? Oh, arrested Development, which you've said you've never watched. Yeah, I've never watched it. His name is Job, but it's spelled G-O-B Stop, so everyone calls him gob and he's like it's pronounced jobe. Yeah, so that seems like right. Oh, my god, I gotta watch this show. Yeah, because it's his initials. It's like george orwell, luth or something like that, gob and and he's like it's pronounced jobe or whatever. Everyone's like gob. Yeah, anyway, I'll find a clip of just that to send you, but you should watch the whole thing, okay. So finally brock and this young man who was not making junk out of his garage meet and Brock explains to him how he's unhappy with what's going on with pizza time whatever Pizza time theater, pizza time theater with Chuck E Cheese or whatever it was. And so he was trying to kind of like, get in with this guy Okay, all right. So after he was trying to kind of like get in with this guy, okay, all right. So after meeting the guy, that was when brock finally ended his agreement with bushnell okay, like demanded to back out of it. Bushnell refused. You know how it goes back and forth, litigations, so they end up going to court eventually. Like they sign I won't get into all the details, it's very boring, but they sign a thing. They end up suing each other for like over two years, right, so they split off, okay. So showbiz pizza place, which is the brainchild of the holiday inn guy, yes, even though it was kind of Bushnell's well, it was Bushnell's idea. Yes, showbiz Pizza Place, as is, opens March 3rd 1980 in Kansas City, missouri. Ah, look at that Midwest. Yes, there you go. And the restaurant was basically a knockoff of Pizza Time Theater, okay, and it actually used many of the same like decorations. Did it still have Chuck E Cheese? Yes, well, no, how did use many of the same like decorations? Did it still have chuck e cheese? Um, yes, well, how? No, that comes later. Okay, so no, that one did not. All, right, so you're right, when showbiz was like in its heyday and we were going to it, chuck e cheese wasn't there. Got it? Yeah, it's not there. Um, they opened their second one in jacksonville, florida, which had um, these, the company that was making all the animatronics, debuted their animatronics at this Jacksonville one, okay, and the name of it was the Rock of Fire Explosion. That's the band, Right? So it was like a mesh, meshing together of the Wolf Pack 5 and the Hard Luck Bears and also some other characters. They had a bird, I swear to god, yeah, so they had not all these. Tell me what bird they? Oh, yeah, they do. There's like a white bird, rolf and earl I don't know who they are. Oh, these are bears duke larue, fats, geronimo and beach bear, as well as mitzi mozzarella. That's the girl bear, billy bob and the loony bird that's who I remember. Of course, that's who I fucking remember. The loony bird, the loony You're like, of course, the loony bird. It was on the tip of my tongue. I like Mitzi mozzarella. I knew it. I knew it. I knew you were going to say that it is so cute. Well, one day we'll dress up. I'll be the loony bird, or you could be Mitzi mozzarella. Okay, that sounds like a lot of fun. We could wear that to the gaga concert and we would fit right in. We would totally fit right in. They would be like it'd be great. Which, fyi, everybody, we're going to the gaga concert. You heard I was gonna say have we said that yet? No, we haven't, but now we have. So so, no chucky cheese in sight, okay, no mouse, totally no mouse. These are totally different characters, and one difference that set the Rock of Fire explosion, apart from Pizza Time show, was that it had three stages. Oh yeah, and they would take turns. Yes, and it was weird, because then they'd freeze and they'd be like in the dark or in the shadow. Yeah, exactly, just like that. So the three stage format gave more flexibility so one stage could perform by itself, depending where you were sitting. You could see it closer, whatever, um. Another change to the showbiz pizza side. They I guess the other one had a disco room, the showtime, pizza, whatever, um. But they changed that and it became a sports room, so it had a large television screen, oh, and it allowed parents who wanted to escape the animation a chance to watch sports or soap operas while their children's played. That's it. That's it sports and soap operas, nothing else. I'd rather go, rather, the disco room. Yeah, I know Disco room. I don't even know what was in that to begin with. Hello dancing, I know. I just mean like, this is the first mention of it that I have in my notes Some ball and some lights and some staying alive. Let's go, that's right. That's right. So litigation continues, right. So Pizza Time litigation continues, right. So pizza time. Still opening places. Showbiz is still opening. So they're competing, they're direct competitors. All right, got you not always opening in like the same exact areas, but all right, somewhat, um, it did say sometimes competing stores would open with inside of each other. Oh yeah, like I'll show you a loony bird, here's my Chuck E Cheese. Yeah, exactly my mouse guy. So then Pizza Time changed its animatronic show, which was that portrait show where they were in frames and stuff, to kind of bring all the characters together on one stage. Then I don't ever remember a picture frames. I remember like the rock band there. So then that's when they kind of like brought everybody together. Um, so they had okay. So they kept introducing like new characters and new things to try to one-up each other. So at pizza time some of their new things were sally sashay in 1979 I want to be her and I believe she was a bear. And then harmony howlett, who was maybe the coyotes back harmony, I don't know, I didn't write it down wolf maybe, um, and there's a lot of other arty antlers. I kind of remember that one with the like a moose on stage. You remember a moose? I feel like I remember that. Right, he was like really tall. I remember a mini moose, I don't know. Bb bubbles. Helen Henney was a chicken, the beagles, that's who I remember. The fucking chicken, Not the loony bird, it was a chicken and I think she was like white feathered Well, chickens are Well, not all of them. Oh, these are brown and black sometimes. Okay, the beagles which were doggies Beach bowsers were doggies. There's a lot. Oh, and King Cat, hello, I don't remember a cat. I don't have any pictures of that. We'll have to look it up. I don't know why, but there was also a group called the Four Little Shavers. What, what kind of animal Shavers, I wonder. If they're like mice, I don't know. Oh, what's the animals that eat wood? I bet they were beavers. Beavers, I bet they were, because they go like this. As soon as you did that, I was like did that? That's it? That's it beavers. Tip of my tongue. Um, I also think I remember them because they were associated with ice cream. Like they were. Like, I'm telling you, because they would have like a whole little associated with ice cream. Like they were. Like, I'm telling you, because they would have like a whole little section for ice cream, I'm telling you, I don't know, the 80s were wild. The 80s were wild, they were selling ice cream. Katie was like. I remember them. They had to do with ice cream. They did. Oh, my God, I cannot. This is so funny. So, like one source I put on here says, the diversity of these cabaret and lounge shows really helped, actually, okay, I don't know, I mean cabaret just means like a mixed show, I know, but, but when you think about cabaret we think think of cabaret. Cabarets I want to go to are not at Showbiz Pizza. No, so oh, and then they. There was one more character I put on here named Uncle Clunk. How, I don't know who he is either, but anyway, all right, make sure it's not an emergency. Sorry, keep talking. That's fine. Sorry, guys, teenager never texting me. No-transcript. And it was settled out of court. But Showbiz, so Showbiz was the one that the Holiday Inn guy spun off into. Pizza Time was the original Bushnell, was the original brishnell. Showbiz agreed to pay pizza time a portion of its profits for the next 14 years, so 1982, so that would go to like 96, and they estimated it would be about 50 million. To take all their stuff, yeah, take over. So basically, yeah to to kind of buy them out. So was part of their agreement to use some of their characters, I think so yeah, yes, okay, chucky cheese comes over, yeah, um, yeah. So that's what happened there, uh. So then there's like all these notes about like who was ceo and who wasn't, that I kind of wrote down and then I was like this is boring, no one cares, um. So basically, now, showbiz, pizza time's not a thing. They've kind of bought them out. They're paying off bushnell, all this stuff. So we're showbiz pizza now through the 80s, no more pizza times being built. So it's just showbiz, just showbiz. So the early 1990s brought yes, it wasn't called chucky cheese until after the 80s. Yes, really it, really it was later. Yes, ah. So the early 1990s brought outside competition, like we were talking about at the top of the episode, where other people were like whoa, this is a good idea, families will pay to come do this. What can we make? So showbiz had to adapt. They mentioned Discovery Zone. Did you ever go to a Discovery Zone? I don't. It was an indoor jungle gym and it had a lot of hands-on activities aimed at children. You know, I wasn't athletic so I surely wasn't, I'd never even heard of it, but I guess it was kind of like a way to compete with like. I do remember, like some local places similar to that. They weren't called that. They may have just been the same concept, same thing, yeah, yeah. So, following disappointing sales in 1993, showbiz pizza dropped the word pizza from the restaurant and rebranded as Chuck E Cheese's. I can't believe it was that long Ninety three, I thought showbiz pizza went away like early 80s. Like look at that, yeah, because so many people I was like, oh yeah, we're gonna do a showbiz pizza episode and they're like, oh, I've never been there, what's that? But they have too. They just forgot it was chuck e cheese. Like people are right, right, right, right, they must have just always thought it was chuck e cheese. Yeah, it's not weird, it is kind of weird. And so this is interesting. It said a new kid version of Chuck E Cheese. I don't know what the other one was, what? Yeah, I guessing they just mean like. You mean like littler kids, cause I remember them opening like the toddler area. Maybe they just mean like even friendlier and less animatronic. He's scary, I don't know, he was also, so now he's promoted with the name change and he gave a thumbs up gesture in the new restaurant logo. Oh, yeah, yeah, remember that. Yeah. So do you remember the theme song for showbiz pizza. Well, I thought I did, but then I think it was wrong. Well, because it was where a kid can be a kid, yeah, but then I thought that had something to do with toysys R Us. That's so weird. So did I. I was singing it this morning and I was like you know, like I do just walk around the house singing songs Me too, singing commercials from the 80s and I was like wait, isn't that Toys R Us? Yeah, what is Toys R Us? Isn't Toys R Us where a kid can be a kid? I think that's wrong. I think it's chucky cheese's. Where should we look it up right now, in real time? Yeah, look it up. All right, you look up toys r us, I'm gonna look up chucky cheese. We're doing it in real time. Guys. Toy, are we looking up the song? Yeah, okay, here we go. Chucky cheese theme song. Here we go. Theme song 80s. I'll do. I've got one from 1980. Okay, all right, you go first. Okay, what does it say? Loading? Well, y'all probably won't hear it, but katie will sing it. I'll sing it. Hello, there it goes. Here we go. Grow up, I'm a toys r us kid. There's a million toys, of toys, that I can play with. I don't want to grow up. I I'm a Toys R Us kid. Oh, it keeps going. Oh, because it goes from bikes to trains, to bikes, to trains, to video games. It's the biggest toy store there is. I don't want to grow up, but maybe if I did, I couldn't be a Toys R Us kid. Okay, so wrong. So we're right. Okay, so here's Chuck E Cheese. This says 1977. Okay, I always get nervous to click on YouTube links with weird. Oh the hell is this? Can y'all hear that? It's like disco. There's the disco room. There it is. Okay, I don't know what that is, hold on, it is, but Let what that is. Hold on, it looks fun, it does, but let me find it. Hold on, we found the disco room. So you're right, it must be Showbiz Pizza. What is this? It's the theme song. That's not what we thought it was. No, what is going on? Guys, did you put in showbiz? Oh, I didn't, sorry. Okay, it's like bap, bap, bap for a real good time. Ah, showbiz pizza, all right, sorry. Oh, my God, danny, okay, I'm sorry, there's ads. Ordinary antiperspirant how dare you what? Where a kid can be a kid? Yeah, okay, all right, we were right. Showbiz pizza where a kid can. Okay, god, that took us. How long we'll edit some of that. That. It's okay. We'll edit the dead space where we're like, it doesn't matter, if we're talking, we'll leave it. It's fine, guys, that's our only rule, okay, oh, no, now I lost my notes. But yes, showbiz pizza where a kid can be a kid. So we were something completely else. No, oh, the other one, yeah, cause that was like some weirdo song that I don't remember, but I saw the chicken in a wig dancing. The chicken has a wig. Yeah, you want to see it. Yeah, the chicken. The chicken had on, like this straight blonde Bob, I can't. Yeah, look, it did. I know, I believe you, I just like it did. Katie, I'm like okay, I know you wouldn't make up a wig on a chicken. I can't Watch. It's going to show it in one second. No, this is something different. What is this? I don't know, never mind, okay, we're just going to stop. I believe you. This is why we don't look up stuff on air. We don't look up stuff on air, but we're going to move on. Oh, there, it is Okay, like the disco room, guys, just so you don't know. It looks like a good time. Oh my God, where is the fucking chicken with the wig? All right, I'm going to put it on socials, don't worry, we'll find it. Don't worry, chicken in a wig on the way. Who doesn't want a chicken in a wig? Oh my gosh. So, yes, so we've got now Chuck E Cheese official. So then it kind of remains that way. Oh, you found her. Oh, I remember her. Yes, that is pure shock on Katie's face. All right, she remembers the chicken wing. And now that I've seen it, I'm like, yes, I remember this. All right, sorry, Back on track. And now that I've seen it, I'm like, yes, I remember this. All right, sorry, all right. So then, basically, after, there's not a whole else much to say except that after it was rebranded as Chuck E Cheese, it kind of stayed through the 90s kind of very similar animatronic stuff. And then it was in wasn't until 2012 that they decided to make some new, like major changes, right, which we can probably figure out why. Right, like the technology had updated all the different things, they probably got rid of tickets, exactly. Yeah, so much of this was accomplished. They made chucky cheese a more modernized character and he became a cgi. Oh, so there's no more animatronics at chucky cheese, what I don't. Oh god, I shouldn't have said that, in case I'm wrong. When I was there, it was all on screens. That is so bad when I was there recently. I hate that. Is it that way everywhere? I don't think, but I think, yeah, in 2012 they kind of went. They just have screens up, yeah, but do you remember when you could go up on the stage and dance with the animatronics? Yes, now you just dance with a screen. I mean, I don't think you even do that. What? Yeah, I'm almost positive. It's all screens. Now. If I can't go on a stage and dance with a chicken and a wig, I'm not going, okay, and there's not even tokens. I know, I hate that. We talked about that with arcades, like now it's just like cards. Yeah, it's like swipe cards, which, like my kids, still like it and they play the games and stuff, but they don't know any different. They don't know the difference, right, and it wasn't actually till 2017 then that they completely got rid of like the tokens and went to the cards. Got rid of like the tokens and went to the cards, and they rebranded it to Chuck E Cheese 2.0. Upscale features, muted it says Muted and modern design. That means boring. That means boring Tokens replaced by the new Play Pass card system and the removal of all animatronics In favor of an electronic lighted dance floor. Oh, I like that. Sometimes there are costume characters, like people in costume that dance. Okay, all right. Well, I'm here for the lighted dance floor, so that's not bad. I'm here for the people in costumes that dance, but I need the animatronics. Do they still have the chair that you can ride? I'm gonna say yes, because I saw it when I was there recently. I wish I could still ride it. You could. Nah, deacon wrote it. She's taller than you. Well, she's not heavier than me. She's taller, but she's not heavier. It's the weight. That's the problem. That's it. I'd get in the chair and be like I'm ready and just sit there to be like ma'am. Our weight limit is 75 pounds. Yeah, we might just have to try it. No, because what if we broke it? And they'd be like ma'am, those are probably very expensive. Like where do you? Yeah, I don't think they make those anymore, so I know, because kids would be like I don't want to sit on a chair that goes up in a circle. Yeah, who cares? Like five feet off and I guess I don't remember this, but in 2017, when they removed all the animatronics and stuff, there was like an uproar. People were really upset about it, like tons of news media covered it not very positive press, lots of people on social media. Yeah, because that's lame. Yeah, basically saying that and kind of saying like you can go watch stuff, like especially, like you can watch literally anything. So the experience there is is the animatronics, oh, even if it's a little antiquated at this point. Yeah, but that's the point. Well, it's like I saw some stuff about McDonald's when they started taking out their play places and putting in like video game centers. Hello, I know, I hate that. I hate that too. Yeah, because even our kids, when they were younger, we could find play places. Oh my gosh. Listen, when Kayden was a toddler, we were in the Midwest where it snowed like crazy and dad was gone all the time. Let me tell you what there was a Burger King in our little bitty town that had a play place and me and other moms would meet there at least once a week. Yeah, because, yeah, especially with the weather being like, oh my god, you gotta have somewhere for them and you eat lunch and let them play. And they're right there and you can relax for one second in the smelly, in the smelly play place of. I remember one one time Caden. Caden was kind of like a scaredy cat and I had to climb up into. He got stuck and wouldn't come down and I had to climb up backwards through a tunnel slide. Oh, I know, right, when the parents have to go in, it's never, it's not because you're terrified. I'm like what if I get stuck? Yeah, they're not made for grown adults. And I mean I'm short and I am somewhat small, but still I'm an adult, I'm an adult, I'm an adult, I'm an adult, right, yeah, they're not made for us, not. There's this place in St Louis Missouri that's like a renovated shoe factory, that's like a kid's museum thing and it's really cool. I was super pregnant with Cooper when I went, so I just stood there the whole time. But it's got. You can climb in all these tunnels, like through the whole thing and all this stuff. But Jory almost got stuck, oh my gosh, climbing through like the ceiling tunnel, and he was like he came down with Caden and he was, and plus, you're trying to keep up with your kid, cause you don't know what floor they're going to come out on. And when I saw him he was like it got real sketchy there for a minute. Oh my God, I'm claustrophobic just thinking about it. Oh, I know, I wasn't sad that I was pregnant. I was like I'll just sit here, it's fine. I guess this is fine for this visit. I'll just do this, sorry. Oh, that's okay. We have all kind of random stories today. No, no, you're good, you're good. So, so that what I was just talking about was 2017, but then we know, in 2020, covid hit and Chuck E Cheese, like you, couldn't go right Because it's a germ factory. You just could not. So they actually I thought this was actually kind of creative. Oh, they created a pseudonym brand Really Pascali's Pizza and Wings, which I've actually heard of I have not, but didn't realize it was them so that they could still deliver pizza and other food through delivery services such as Grubhub, doordash and Uber Eats. I food through delivery services such as Grubhub, doordash and Uber Eats. I guess they figured nobody would order it from Chuck E Cheese. Yeah, because it's kind of known as shitty pizza. Yeah, so they have this pseudonym name that they still sell food through. I mean smart, because you've got to keep making money. You've got to keep making money. However, they weren't able to bring in enough revenue or secure loans to pay down the company's debt, and so it, on june 25th 2020, uh, chucky cheese entertainment inc. Filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. What? Yeah, but they're still open. Um, it's all still kind of like in bankruptcy court. So, tbd, what's gonna happen with that? Like, if they're gonna be safe, it can take a while. Huh, yeah, I mean, we're talking five years later now, almost, and it's still kind of all wrapped up in the courts and they're still open. So that is it. That is the overview of Showbiz Pizza or Pizza Time or Chuck E Cheese or whatever you want to call it. Okay, so what was your favorite fact that you uncovered? I like the hard luck bears. Okay, I like them. You know what the most surprising fact was? I didn't realize the name change didn't happen until the 90s. Yeah, I thought Chuck E Cheese was like the 80s on. You know what's interesting, I had the opposite thought. Oh, I thought I was a teenager when Chuck E Cheese came out. Oh, okay, so, but we said what? 93? So you were close to it was like 11, yeah, yeah. So I just I think, like I, I don't know like we didn't go out to eat much, we didn't like go do a bunch of like commercialized stuff when I was a kid. We just didn't. And I remember my parents taking us there a couple times and I just think it's such a foundational memory that, like when it changed, I think I was like what? Like what is this? What is this about? So, like I kind of remember it and like who I was in life at the time that the news broke. So when I read that I was like, oh yeah, that adds up. I wonder if I just thought it was always chucky cheese just because I remember him. Maybe you know what I'm saying. Yeah, maybe, like you know how kids will call stuff the wrong name because they associate it with like, like, for instance, like if you call Disney Mickey Mouse, like I want to go see Mickey Mouse, even though it's really Disney World, right, right, yes. I wonder if that's why I thought that I'm going to go, okay, so, so I'm going to write this down, don't let me forget before this episode comes out. I'm going to find all my pictures. If you have any pictures, I look. I know I do Okay, and I will post them. Yeah, I was really cute when I was little guys. She was really cute for a short period of time and then I looked weird for a while. That's why she was in the wizard movie. Do you know listeners? If no listeners, if you listen to that episode, you're going to know. I, I am convinced that it's a picture of Danny in that movie. When they open the little lunchbox and there's pictures in it, it's not guys. She says it's not, it's not. I have been trying to find a screenshot of that. Now, granted, I can just rewatch the movie and take a picture on my TV. I have Googled everything I could think of, looked everywhere, and it just every time I'll say like girl in the wizard or like whatever, and it always gives me the redhead. And then I'm like, oh, no, no, no, little sister, I won't say a spoiler, it's at the end of the movie, so I just need to turn the movie on. But I thought, oh, I'll find it really quick and I'll grab a picture of Danny and we'll do a side-by-side. And I've tried, like I don't know, maybe three different times. I'm like, okay, let me try this term, but wouldn't that be weird if it was me and I never got any residuals from it and I could sue them, you could, and then make no money, and then we would have no money to continue doing this podcast. Great, actually, one of my brother-in-laws is a lawyer, so he could work for free. He could help. He could help. I'm going to find it, but anyway, all right. Well, thank you listeners. Whether you called it an adventure pizza time theater, look, if you were in like California or something at that time and you remember those, I would love to hear from you because, because Chuck E Cheese was at those, he, he didn't come over to showbiz till later. Well, I guess it was like in the early 80s whenever they settled. So we knew, always knew, chuck E Cheese, yeah, xennials, xennials did, xennials did, yeah, right, if you were Gen X, you may not have. You may have actually been in a pizza time theater with Chuck E Cheese. You may have, yeah. Or Ricky, ricky Rouse. So anyway, thanks for listening. Guys, make sure you tune in. Oh, oh, wait, we have trivia. Oh, that's why I sent it out. You brought it out, okay. So if you're new or you skip around, we started something recently where we read each other a trivia question at the end of each episode. We have a box of 80s questions and a box of 90s questions, so make sure I don't pull it out the wrong end. Disc these questions. So make sure I don't pull it out the wrong end. Discard. Oops, I'm on the wrong side too. Oh, the times I've heard that. Oh, my god, sorry. Wow, your delivery was really something. Okay, I don't know where that that character came. Oh, I've got a good one for you. Oh, oh, no, that's, I don't like this one. Maybe that was your ricky rouse out. That's your character voice. Okay, this one. Hopefully I'll remember this one, okay, okay, we're going to go with the 80s first. All right, I'm ready. So I have to give you clues and you have to guess what this is. Okay, it's like taboo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't say certain words. All right, okay, oh no, this is actually going to be super hard. Great, let me say cute notebooks, chopperkeepers, lisa Frank, fragrance, scratch and sniff Stickers. Yes, okay, that's it. I couldn't say smell. She said cute, I'm like where are we going with that? Like that could literally be anything. So what could you not say? I couldn't say smell or scent. So when I thought of fragrance. I was like that's the one. Yeah, that's good, that's good, teacher, because teachers would give them a lot. Yeah, that's true, paper or adhesive, and I probably could have said sticky, but I felt like sticker was too sticky, so I didn't. You're such a good role follower, I know, I'm going to see what I'm doing. I'm following a rule right now, discarding here. Okay, oh, this one's a good one. I was going to do the other side, but now I want to do this one. Okay. Okay, this is nineties. Everybody you have to put these films in want to do g first, okay, then pg, then pg 13, then r, okay, okay, here's the four movies pretty woman, ghost, mulan and groundhog day. I'm gonna guess mulan is g, who I don't want to tell you. Ghost is pg. Oh, right, because if I get the first one wrong, right, I can't tell you, I can't tell you, let, oh, right, because if I get the first one wrong, then I'm going to get them all wrong. Right, I can't tell you, let me just say it. Then it's fine. If they're all wrong, they're all wrong, Alright. So, starting with G, mulan, I think, ghost, maybe, because I think I think Pretty Woman might be PG-13 and Groundhog Day might be R. I'm totally wrong. Do you remember what these fucking movies were about? Yeah, but wasn't Groundhog Day kind of like dark? Doesn't he like have suicidal ideations and stuff? I mean, pretty Woman was about prostitution, I know that's true. So maybe that's not PG. That's why I said PG-13. I said PG-13 for her. Okay, I'm just going to tell you, because you were wrong. Okay, mulan was right. Okay, groundhog Day was only PG. Oh, okay, ghost was PG-13, probably because there was some sex in there and death, yeah. And then Pretty Woman was R. Okay, I feel like there were boobs and butts in Pretty Woman. You know what there were. Actually, there were boobs and butts in Ghost as well. You were going to say Groundhog Day and I was like, oh no, no, boobs and butts. No, I don't even think there was a sex scene in Groundhog Day. No, that's probably why it was PG. Yeah, okay, katie's like. Maybe Groundhog Day was rated R. I don't know what I was thinking. This was the 90s, by the way. I just know it's a dark movie. It's a comedy. I think it's dark. You don't think it's dark? We need to re-watch. I mean, he's an asshole and then he reforms because he has to keep living the same day until he fucking gets his life right. That's true. Maybe I need to re-watch it. Maybe I was in some sort of state the last time I saw it. No, I'm thinking of Groundhog Day with Andy McDowell yeah, which, by the way, you know. The movie Substance, yes, the younger version of Demi Moore, is Andy McDowell's daughter. I see it now that you say that. Someone told me that recently and I was like what? We didn't even pick up on that. But now that you say it, I think, like people who know, know, but I think she tries to like probably distance herself from her mom, to like be her own person. But I see it too now. Yeah, yeah, anyway, all right, that was a good episode. Thanks for listening. Those were, those were fun memories. Don't let me rate your movies, because I will rate the very uh, non movie about prostitutes. Pg, pg movie about groundhogs are okay. The dark ideology of groundhog day, I'm telling you there's gonna be someone listening, that's like correct. I also had feels about that movie. Anyway, you might be right. You might be right, you might be right. Okay, everybody, we'll have a great rest of your week. We'll see you back here on Generation Inbetween.
