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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek, S2, E11: Sex, Lies and Handwritten Notes
We continue our rewatch of Dawson's Creek with Season 2, Episode 11, "Sex, She Wrote," where a mysterious note about sex falls into the wrong hands, launching resident troublemaker Abby on a mission to expose which couple crossed the intimacy threshold.
Join us next time as we watch episodes 12 and 13, where things are about to get "heavy."
We are rewatching Season 2 of Dawson's Creek on Hulu.
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Hello and welcome back to our nostalgic or problematic series where we are rewatching Dawson's Creek. We are on season two, episode 11. And we lied. We said we're going to start doing two episodes every recording and we're not. We're not, we will next time. We will next time, but we do have one and it's a pretty good episode.
Speaker 1:This one's got a lot going on. I honestly did not have a lot of notes. You know what? I kind of don't either. Okay, but I have a lot of thoughts, all right. Well, so there you go. That's worse, all right.
Speaker 1:So the name of this episode is called Sex. She Wrote Ooh, hello, here's the summary. When an unsigned letter reveals Abby sets out to expose the guilty couple, yes. So when I first read the summary, like just to myself, I thought it said Andy. And so I start watching it, thinking like Andy's out, and I was like, why does Andy care so much? Like, is she? Like a prude? Like this doesn't sound like her. And then, as I'm watching it, I realized I misread. Anyway, just to my old eyes it's fine. So, first of all, sex comma, she wrote, yes, is a reference to murder. Comma, she wrote, which was a very famous angela lansbury tv show, tv series, which is just what it sounds like.
Speaker 1:Did you watch it? I don't think my grandma loved that show. Honestly, it was probably pretty good. Yeah, my grandma and and jamila was telling us that her and her daughter have been rewatching it and are they enjoying it. Yeah, okay, I bet it's really good Because, well, first of all, just like solving things is kind of fun to watch.
Speaker 1:I love stuff like that. I don't like it, I know. I love a detective story, a suspense story. The only detective stuff I like is like Clue. I need comedy. I need comedy with my mystery.
Speaker 1:Well, I said, like on one of our normal episodes, that I've been watching that show Tracker. Oh, yeah, justin Hartley. So I've been watching it. I thought it was Josh Hartley. Is it Justin? Who am I thinking of? I know who josh hartley is. Wasn't he in pearl harbor, the movie? He's like a heartthrob from a while back. I have to look this up while we're talking and I think the other guy's name is justin hartley, but I could be totally wrong. No, no, you're right first. So I've been watching it and, um, my husband's kind of gotten into it too.
Speaker 1:But because we watch NCIS, including, like older NCISs, the formatting of the shows is so different. So like we'll be doing something and it'll be like an average guy, like someone, just like at the gas station. We're going to be like, oh, I bet it's going to be that person. When we're watching Tracker and I'm like, no, no, this show is not like that. It is probably exactly who we think it is. The excitement is not like yeah, it's like it is probably exactly who we think it is. The excitement is just like finding them or the chase or like whatever. It's not like ever some big twist, usually um and then. But then like we'll be watching ncis and I'll be like, oh, they want us to think it's that person. Do you think it is or do you think they're trying to trick us? So we're always like trying to like figure out who it is.
Speaker 1:Did you ever watch Twin Peaks? I think I asked you this. I think I would love it. Okay, I also like a Twin Peaks because it's weird, okay, so that's the thing. It has to be weird or funny or funny. Okay, you know, I like I don't know, my taste is is interesting, so I don't know, but you would, I think you would really like it.
Speaker 1:Okay, I need to watch it. Yeah, I need. We need to rewatch that, like in the fall. Ooh, that's a good idea. It. It's a great show. I love that, okay, I mean, I, I think I even kind of know a little bit of what happens in that show just because of so many pop culture references and people talking about it over the years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I never watched it till the end, but then I was listening to another podcast they're rewatching it right now, okay. And then they fucking said the whole big mystery at the end. I was like, damn it Now, the whole show. But it's fine, it's fine. I'll still like it's hard when it's a spoiler from like 25 years ago, I know it's like, well, I can't be that mad. Then I'm like, well, watch it with like a different lens, like trying to pick up on the things, right, exactly, anyway, all right, and still enjoy it, okay.
Speaker 1:So murder, she wrote, was a show. If you're too young to know it was fantastic. Angela lansbury's well, we've never watched it. So how do we know it's fantastic. That's a great point I, it was popular and award-winning, okay, and I love angela lansbury okay, she's fantastic. Um, and jamila seems to think it's okay, my grandma loved it. No, that's your grandma and Jamila stamp of approval. We're good to go, okay.
Speaker 1:So the last episode we watched was a to be continued. So of course, at the beginning of this one they're sort of reminding us yes, it's all the pairing up of everyone. So, like, dawson and Jen were like in an intimate moment when we last saw them and Joey and Jack, and then Pacey and Andy come out of this bed and breakfast holding hands, it seems like maybe they didn't have sex, but then you don't really know. Well, I thought they didn't. But then you were like, oh, just wait. So now you know, I had to watch this episode to find out. So they kind of summarize that for a while. Right, I thought it was a good.
Speaker 1:I thought it was a really good episode set up in the first five minutes, cause you don't know what anybody has done, right, that's all you see is them being like their conversation, not awkward or like who did what. That's what you're wondering. You're like, yeah, and you still don't know, right, yeah, which was kind of cool, it was a good setup. So so then we go to was it their film class or something, or was it english class? Where ferris oh my god, ferris, that's my son, who is in high school.
Speaker 1:Also, dawson is doing a re-watching of I didn't even know what movie that was, did they say it was like an old mystery movie and he's like not teaching the class but sort of like giving it was part of his like presentation and it's that dick, that asshole teacher, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that happens and they're all supposed to have some assignments. So of course, abby shows up immediately talking about her dog, giggles, which obviously is totally like fabricated in the moment and how she doesn't have hers. And this is, instead of just being like I was sick, I was tired, my dog died. She's like Giggles ate chocolate-flavored laxatives that my dad uses. It was this whole elaborate thing. She's really good at improv. Yeah, she is, but the teacher wasn't buying it. He wasn't buying it, but I thought that Giggles was a cute name for a fake dog, probably, okay. So then that's the setup. They're leaving class and Chris everyone remember Chris.
Speaker 1:He was the guy who had the party and then him and Abby teamed up to like run for student government, right, he finds kind of like a half crumpled like paper note on the ground that he takes with him, which is your nightmare in high school, right? Yes, that happened to me so many times. I know it happened to me too. I can't think of a specific time. Or like you would leave a note in a desk. Did you ever do that? Yes, and then someone else would find the note. The worst is when your teacher would get it. Oh, yeah, oh, my God.
Speaker 1:I remember in eighth grade I went to like a private school, so I was with the same kids like all day and we would write notes relentlessly. Oh, yeah, did you ever have like a notebook too, where you would like just write back and forth? Yes, yeah, and our teacher had to know I think we thought we were so slick. No, they just had to pick their battles. And I thought about that like years later and I was like like there's no way she didn't know we were because we were not subtle. We were like 12 first of all and we were just. I think by high school is maybe a little more subtle. But yeah, definitely some notes that fell into the wrong hands for sure. Yeah, um.
Speaker 1:So I looked up just because I wanted to have exactly the wording for what the note said. So I have like the wording of what the note said, which ch, I have like the wording of what the note said which Chris and Abby go over. I love that. You looked that up. I looked it up, I like pasted it in there. So the note he finds and it's like part of a note. Right, it wasn't like the whole thing. I don't know, maybe it was that was my show, you saw, that was it. It was just one page, one page. No, he found a whole note. Oh yeah, that was your. I know that's what I was saying. It was my show. That's funny Crisscrossing, I know. See, your show is just as good as Dawson's Creek. So they're all blurring. You're like, well, look at that.
Speaker 1:So the note said I want to talk to you about last night. Sex changes everything. I think we should take some time before anything happens again. But no, like two or probably a big deal, except the big deal is that they want to know who's having sex, right, right, but like it doesn't say that they had sex the whole night was amazing. Oh yeah, you're right. It says sex is a big deal. Sex changes everything. So that could mean like it was amazing, but like, maybe, like we shouldn't do it again, which is what you want to believe, or it could mean like it was amazing, but let's not like get that far, I don't know. Anyway, it could mean a lot. That was the point, right, so, right away.
Speaker 1:Abby well, mostly abby, but she drags chris into it. Yeah, have to figure out who this is. And I thought it was so funny that I was like, well, there's only like three couples. It could be I'm like out of your entire school. It could only be three couples, these three. I thought that was really funny and just like the way she's describing all of them Well, jen's a rebound girl and Dawson's on the rebound, and why do they care?
Speaker 1:Why do they fucking care? She really cares, I know. But then also, okay, well, we'll get there. Like, why? Still? I'm saying, why is Chris so hot for Abby? I don't know, it's weird. Yeah, it's weird. No-transcript, I don't want to say gross, but kind of gross.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she like pulls him in, like I didn't like this part because she's she convinces him to help her, because she promises to like do shit with him. I didn't like that. Doesn't he say something like if I can see you naked or touch your bits, or something like that? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, or she says it, she's like I'll let you touch me in places, something or other, something or other, I don't know. We're probably getting that all wrong, but but it was. It was something like that like she's like here's why you should help me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did think one of abby's I mean all of abby's lines are great but, um, she's talking to him and he, him being chris, and he says something really lame, but it's like a pickup line. She's like chris, your lines land like a stack of bricks. Yeah, I thought that was so funny. Like I just like that was a really good way to like. But then, like happy, I wrote this down. But then when I like saw the scene, I kind of understood. But, like abby's like, and it has to be videotaped, I know, I thought that was weird. I don't know, like, what is happening with this. I don't know that was weird, yeah, but then let's get, let's, let's talk about the drawing of jack, because it's back and I literally just wrote ha ha, ha, ha ha, the drawing of jack. Well, you know what abby called it. No, what, I don't remember what'd she call it.
Speaker 1:I watched this like three weeks ago, a dead ringer for mr bean sketch stop. Oh, I mean, she's not wrong dying, okay, yes. So the sketch that should never see Mr Bean sketch Stop. Oh, I'm dying. I mean, she's not wrong, I'm dying. Okay, yeah. So the sketch that should never see the light of day is back. And like she's carrying it around Okay, I wrote that down.
Speaker 1:I said Joey sure is willy nilly about carrying around that new drawing and then leaving it by a computer or whatever the fuck she was doing. I'm like, and literally everyone, why, or whatever the fuck she was doing, I'm like, and literally everyone, why is she carrying it everywhere? And everyone wants to see it? It's weird, it's just, it's odd. And everyone like, literally this is everyone with Joey, the whole episode hey Joey, how'd the nude sketch go? The next person hey Joey, so how was the naked sketching? How'd it go? I'm like hello, hello. Does everyone know that she was doing this? And and then I think she says to dawson or he goes how did the? How did the naked sketch go? And she's like naked, it's just too much. It's so funny, it's too much.
Speaker 1:But then we had the scene where her and dawson are standing there in the rain on the like steps, steps of the school. They're on, they're like under an awning, oh yeah, but it's like raining outside. And this is when he asked her about the thing and wants to see it. But she changes the subject yeah, yeah, yeah, which later obviously he figures out. Right, because she leaves it out and he sees it Because she's all willy nilly about it. But everyone can tell that's jack. I mean, it looks nothing like him. I didn't think it did either. Like it could literally be like just draw a picture of like a random guy and like, yeah, like that's what it would look like. I don't know, it's just like mr bean sketch. That is great. God, I love mr bean, I do too. Sheesh, so good, but anyway, okay, oh, also we.
Speaker 1:So we talked before about a sex sling scrump. There was another one in this episode. They were saying bump, really, yeah, because I wrote, was bump a popular slang term in the 90s for sex? I feel like I have heard that one. Have you and don't they say like bump in when you're talking about that? They are. I don't think I've ever said that, although somebody I don't know if you notice this A friend of mine from high school named Chris hey, chris, usher, what's up?
Speaker 1:He posted when I, when I put the soundbite of us talking about scrum, oh yeah, he's like yeah, that never made it to us, ok, ok, so it's not just us. No, like that was not at our high school. Yeah, in South I feel like I've heard bump and bumping. I mean bump and grind. I guess Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. I don't know, I don't see nothing wrong. Up and grind. Oh wait, was that? R kelly should not be singing, that was it? I think it was shit.
Speaker 1:Well, scrub, scrub anyways. Well, oh, okay, sorry, what else you got? Well, I had a frowny because I put both dawson and joey lying about. Well, this is like way at the end of the moment of this. I only have two more things for this episode. I don't know much.
Speaker 1:I just put them both lying about having sex. I just thought that was gross. Like boo, you mean to each other, yeah, cause, like when they're finally like at the climax of the episode, the climax of the episode, and they're like, okay, it's fine, yes, we did it. And then he said they did it. And then Jen and Jack are like excuse me, like back, are like excuse me, like yeah, hello, no, we did not like, right, yeah, that was weird, I didn't like that. And poor fucking jen, geez, I know, geez, I know he came into her room, I know they didn't have sex and here he is like lying, basically.
Speaker 1:Basically, this is how I kind of viewed, at least from dawson's perspective. He was saying something that joey would find believable. He thought, I know, but still, well, that's what I'm saying, like I, poor jen, like I hate that, you know. Um, there was, there was one line that I that I was like, oh, dawson, when they were standing in that rainy scene and he's talking about his movie, and he's like, oh, we're really trying to get going, and I mean it's really cheesy, because he's like we just haven't found our leading lady. She's got to be beautiful and sophisticated and strong, like all these things. And she's like, uh, joey is like, uh, you're describing Julia, or she goes, she goes. What you need, dawson is a Julia Roberts, like with that description. He's like what I need is a you. What you need, dawson is a Julia Roberts, like with that description. He's like what I need is a you. Oh, you don't like it. I thought that was cute. I mean, I don't know, I don't know. So there was a Julia Roberts reference, there was a Mickey Rourke reference man, I really needed to not take this.
Speaker 1:I watched this weeks and weeks ago and I'm like I don't remember and there was a Bill Gates reference. Oh, yes, I do remember that one. I forget what were they saying about him, I can't remember. Yeah, I don't know if it was money related or computer related, I don't know. Or they called someone a Bill Gates, like someone smart, I don't remember, but anyway, I just thought that was funny.
Speaker 1:And so then, abby, let's discuss then this elaborate setup. Oh, jesusesus, I know, right, they like tricked them, got them in a deserted classroom. She comes with a camera because it had to be videotaped, uh-huh, and they did like handwriting comparisons earlier in the episode. Why do they care? Who fucking cares? It was really a lot cares, it was really a lot, I know it was really a lot.
Speaker 1:So just to come to the conclusion that the couple that it was it was Pacey and Andy, and he wrote it, yeah, because they did figure out it was his handwriting Right, but still didn't prove that they had had sex. But we do find out that they did and the other two couples did not, and so, like andy was all upset about it and I was like, why are you upset? He didn't say like it was not disrespectful. No, I mean, and he's right, sex does change everything. I don't care who you are it does, or what age you are. I mean it could be a good everything, but I mean it does change things. Yeah, I mean change, right, change isn't necessarily bad, but change is heavy and that's what I think I appreciated about that. Yeah, that like you can't like even little changes, which sex is not a little change to a, to a relationship, but like just anything I find, like even in just my normal routine, anytime something like kind of in the universe is tweaked, everything around it also has to yeah Follow. And so I think like the way that that was like said, and you know that was like a thoughtful way of him saying that oh.
Speaker 1:And then there was the scene where I mean it's just Abby being Abby, but she's talking to Andy about how she's trying to get Andy to admit that they had sex. So she's trying to get Andy to admit that they had sex, so she's trying to get under her skin and she says the thing about well, it's not your fault His experiences with a 40 year old lady or whatever, and I was like, oh my, she keeps coming back. I know it's like, okay, we were done with that, but I think I think too like for for Pacey, a sex change that we need to like hold on, because because then at the end of the episode he's like I'm falling desperately in love with you, which was the, and the reason I loved that so much is because I can remember the times in my life where you have felt like that and it's like that first moment of like I think I'm falling for you. Well, I think I'm falling for you and it's so cute. It's so cute and like we're old, boring, married ladies, so we don't have those moments anymore. So we have to watch them on Dawson's Creek and it's totally fine, or live vicariously through friends or something, even my kids. I'm like, yeah, keep that to yourself. I don't need to know, I know Like friends, I don't need to know about that, I know. But like friends, yes, tell me. But it's so cute, like because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:My point is, it doesn't matter how long it's been since you've had a moment like that. Yeah, everybody remembers the beginning of that new, like where you know this is about to go from like fun dating level or messing around level or just casual dating level to like, oh, wait, a second, we have like a connection here. And when you're a teenager and that happens seriously for the first time, it is like the cutest little. And it's not little, sorry, it's not, it's a big feeling. It is a big feeling and it's a real feeling. Yeah, it's a big feeling and like I think that's why I love that moment is because I can remember those times with several people.
Speaker 1:But like because I am not one of those people who believes in soulmates Sorry, whoops, I mean. Well, I don't, because I think there's everyone just unsubscribed, I'm well, I'm sorry, I do. I believe, I don't believe. Let me, let me correct this. I don't believe in one soulmate. I think you can have multiple and I don't think they're always romantic. Sure, I think, depending on the choices you make, the universe may help you align whatever you believe out there. But I don't think to think that you have one person that you just have, like, oh, you have one soulmate that was made for you and they just happen to live like down the street from you, okay, like in this whole entire world Guys? No, I feel that. I feel that or they just happen to go to the same college as you, right, I mean, I guess, if you get into stories of like very unlikely people meeting, well, that's why I say I don't think there's a little different, I don't think there's just one, and think about like people who are with a spouse for a long time and they get remarried and they're like 75 and they're like so happy in love, like you know me, and like I think I think friendships are soulmates too, so you don't just have one of those. Anyway and at different points. I guess it's different for marriage, since marriage is like design, like not designed for, but it's supposed to be for life, but like, yeah, I had read, I don't know, a meme or something that really hit me a few years ago.
Speaker 1:That was basically like because I feel a lot of guilt, like if I don't keep up with people the way I should, like I feel a ton of guilt if I don't keep up with my parents enough. There's just especially like older people in my life if I haven't checked on them in a while my brothers, my nieces like it doesn't matter, I just feel bad all the time and friends, and so I had read something that was like you know, it's okay if people were like a big part for a season. Yeah, oh yeah. And I never really thought about that, yeah, cause I was like you can't keep evolving as a person and, and like I said, about change and adding the and adding people as you go through life and still be on the same level with all the same people your whole life, right and same. For those people it's okay, yeah, like, yeah, so I people always come into. There was a quote I used to see in military life especially.
Speaker 1:Sometimes people like people always come into your life for a reason. Sometimes it's for a moment, and sometimes it's for a season, and sometimes it's for a lifetime. But you just and they're all good, exactly, and I think that it does not done and it doesn't always have to be forever. Yeah, and if you aren't as close to that person anymore, that's okay. You don't have as much. That doesn't have to be a negative feeling. It can be like, wow, I was close to that person when I was in this season and that's fine and they were wonderful. I mean I can think of when I was a new mom and you you could probably think of times too that are similar. And, uh, troy was deployed all the time.
Speaker 1:We lived away from family. I was a young mom, like I had, I had mom friends and I I still that's where I met my best friend, amber, and we still we still are in contact, but most of them I, you know, we'll keep up with each other on social media and stuff, but I don't text them and stuff. But they were my life source for a couple years because we had to, we had a play group every week, we had this and that, because we had no family, our husbands were away, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But then, and think of how, to your point, how important that was to you, and it was, it was so important and I could not have gotten through that time without them. Yeah, with that, without that community. But then, like, they served their purpose and and you served to their, yeah, and we evolved, we got older, we moved and we still keep up with each other, but it's not like Same with me, like I think too in in the our society, because then I still tertiarily see like same with, like my college friends. I have one college friend. We I swear we go in waves. Yeah, we're so tight in college kind of grew apart after because we were like young, going our own ways, whatever. Then, like for years, we're really close again because we were working together. Now we're not working together that much, so like I thought about it the other day and I was like like, oh, my god, I need to get like hold of her. You know, like it's just so.
Speaker 1:This morning I see on Facebook someone from my hometown writing about this whole big thing, about this horrible storm they had and not having power for a few days. And I'm like, well, shit, are my parents okay? And we're like three or four days into this and I was like damn. So I like texted my dad. I'm like, hey, do you have power? How's everybody? I do the same thing, you know.
Speaker 1:But like, but my dad also is just so like that kind of person, like he's just like anytime he hears from anyone he's happy, but like otherwise he is fine, doesn't care, doesn't like need to talk to anyone, and like when people get older they kind of just get in their routines. And yeah, he's taking care of your mom. Yeah, he wrote me back and he was like we actually never lost power, but like your nieces did, but they're okay now and but he, he was like he said it was a really scary storm and that my brother came over, um, who lives nearby, and they all like hunkered down. He's like just to be safe, like, and I was like here I am four days later, like well, are you guys okay, are you alive? Like and he's like, oh yeah, we hunkered down, we were letting it out.
Speaker 1:I hate that term, like I know, I know, you know how I feel about hunker down. I hate it, but I don't know. But I felt kind of bad, but then it's like he doesn't feel bad. Why do I feel bad? Yeah, you know, it's just yeah, let's like let things be and it's okay, it's okay. But anyway, the reason we were talking about that is because it's adorable. Oh, Because it's adorable.
Speaker 1:Back to the adorable part, the P. Cute, the whole episode, like even in the very beginning part, where she's like hello, mr Witter, and like put her arm around him and stuff. It was really cute, I know, but he was, I, he was reluctant, he was distant, which I think for him is he's terrified. Yeah, yeah, which valid, mm-hmm. You know, I'm glad they kind of like got to the bottom of it by the end. Yeah, because I didn't like him being so standoffish to her. But I understand why. But I mean, he's a teenage boy. Everyone has to have their own process. Family that doesn't help him out with the acceptance and love issues. So, yeah, that's true, that's such a good point.
Speaker 1:I mean the and his first big sexual experience was um pedophilia. So there we go. Criminal, yeah, exactly what else do you have? That's all. That was it, that's all I had. So, and by the end we figured out who had sex.
Speaker 1:So, yay, for a while during the episode of, I'm like, is this gonna go on? For, like it took forever, like what's going on. But then I was like, okay, now we know. So you didn't watch the next one, not yet. The next one is heavy, okay. So this was 11, so we'll watch 12 and 13 for next time, okay, the next one is heavy, okay, I'll was 11, so we'll watch 12 and 13 for next time, okay, the next one is heavy, okay, I'll be ready going in, I'll be ready, okay, all right, yeah, all right. Well, thanks everybody for not only listening to our regular episodes, but also to our dawson's creek rewatch. Whether you watch, people accidentally listen to these like I've had several people be like I don't care about dawson's creek and they're like actually, now I'm sucked in. I started listening Like I know we're entertaining.
Speaker 1:You can hear about my guilt issues. I know these are things you're not going to get. I know you can hear me hot take, I don't believe it. We're probably going to get more engagement from you saying that than ever. My sister agrees with me, though. So two of us. So it's something genetically wrong with you. I'm just kidding. No, it makes sense. No, I know, I know, although I keep have to fix.
Speaker 1:I don't believe in one soulmate that you can have multiple. I do think you are meant to meet certain people in your life. That's fair, but I don't think there's one person created for you forever and ever. Amen, agreed. There's multiple chances for that. Yes, agree. And you don't have I don't mean all at once, but that's your business. If you would like them to all be, go ahead. That's what the universe has for you. That sounds exhausting.
Speaker 1:High five, isn't it on sex in the city? Where is it Charlotte who says high five, isn't it on sex in the city. Where is it charlotte who says what if we're all just each other's soulmates? Yes, she said it. When they're all just like feeling down on love and they're like spending time together. She says that was that in the movie, when big left carrie at the altar. Maybe it was in the movie. Yeah, I'm just imagining them like around a like brunch table or something. When are we gonna do a sex in the city episode? I mean on the list. Yeah, put it down. All right, awesome. Well, thanks, guys. Uh, thanks for listening and we will see you next time on generation in between.
