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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek, S2 E5: Hugs, Kisses and a Full Moon Rising
On this episode, we discuss Dawson's Creek, Season 2, Episode 5, "Full Moon Rising." Will Pacey and Andi have their first date? Will the predatory adults in the storyline finally take a hike? What should we make of Joey and Jack's restaurant moment?
We are rewatching Season 2 of Dawson's Creek on Hulu (as of Feb. 2025).
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All right, hello everyone, and welcome back to our nostalgic or problematic series, where we are currently rewatching Dawson's Creek, season two. We are on episode five, and this one's called Full Moon Rising. Yes, and here is the synopsis. Dawson confronts his parents about their marriage, as Pacey stumbles onto an unsettling truth about Andy. Yes, I multitasked when I watched this episode. Did you see my reel? I saw your reel, but tell the listeners in case they didn't see it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I had to work out. I had to get a workout in. Fyi, for those of you that don't know, I am a fitness professional, so it is important for my job that I get regular workouts in. So it was time for my regular workout and I usually have a pretty structured program I follow, um, you know, for a certain amount of time, but I did not have time for it that day. I just was like I have to watch this, I have to watch Dawson's Creek, I have to, and I have to get a workout in, and I don't have time to do both Like I don't I. So I was like, all right, the advantage of being a fitness professional is I can think of a workout really quick off the top of my head that I can do while I'm doing something else. So I literally was doing pushups and I'd pause the TV and crawl over to my Care Bear notebook and write down notes where I'd be jump roping, which that reel made me laugh so hard because it looks like I'm floating. Did you see that? Yeah, I did see that. I laughed so hard because I didn't notice it until I posted it. I look like I'm love it Because it was like fast motion. Yeah, yeah, so you don't really see the rope, yeah, it just looks like I'm floating up in the air. Yeah, that was funny. Anyway, okay, so that's okay. It sounds like you got a better workout because you were crawling over to write things in your Care Bear notebook. I mean, it was a good workout. It wasn't what I planned to do that day, but I needed like a total body kind of cardio strength situation. So I just set up a little circuit. If y'all would like to do it yourself, you can find it. I tagged our podcast on it, but anyway, um, yeah, so let's jump in, let's go. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1:So first, right off the bat, joanne Dawson outside looking at the on the roof, which is cute, and they are going back and forth on the science and at the science, part of full moons and the romance part of full moons, yeah Right. So Dawson's just this flowery, like it's romantic and the best, and Joey's like it's just something that happens. And our bodies are 70 percent water and the tides get messed up from a full moon. So so do people and I was like somehow that all makes sense to me, but you know what is crazy. So my mom and my sister both worked and I was like somehow that all makes sense to me, but you know what is crazy. So my mom and my sister both worked in the medical field. My sister still does, my mom's retired.
Speaker 1:But I'm telling you the full moon thing, wild shit happens in hospitals during full moons. Wow, like my mom, my sister used to work. When she worked at a hospital, she worked nights, she used to dread. My mom worked in the emergency. She worked at a hospital, she worked nights, she used to dread. My mom works in the emergency room. Oh man, when she had to work, when there was a full moon like I'm not kidding like wild, crazy, their nights would always be. So something does happen. Yeah, there are shifts and, like our bodies do weird stuff, so like it's. I don't know if it's science or magic or a little bit of both. Yeah, do weird stuff, so like it's. I don't know if it's science or magic or a little bit of both. Yeah, I don't know either, but I just thought that was cute, the back and forth between them on that, how they both were looking at it from a different lens. Yeah, that was cute. Um, I have an ex, not because I thought it was like problematic, but immediately, just I'm not getting a good feeling about tamara and mitch hanging out so much. Yeah, because he's buying her warehouse.
Speaker 1:But and in this episode I don't know if you noticed, you probably did, and I'm sure it was on purpose Tamara and Gail were meant to look a lot alike. Their hair was the same same color. They were in similar outfits. This is the first time I've really seen them standing next to each other. They're the same height.
Speaker 1:But, to be be fair, during that time in the 90s, that's how they made all middle-aged ladies look on tv. That's true. Like, think about, like the seventh heaven mom, or like right becky on what's her, whatever that show was. Yeah, they all looked like. They all kind of yeah, if you're in your 40s, playing a mom or playing an adult figure, although they said she, tamra, was 30, what right? No, I thought she was like 37, she was 30, I don't know. It doesn't matter either way, I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, so I thought that was interesting. Um, what do you have so far? Oh yeah, I know what you're gonna say. Well, the first thing I wrote because I thought she was done. I thought she was fucking. I was like danny, I thought she was done. I thought she was fucking done. I was like Dani, you said she was gone. I thought she was and she was there. But then I forgot. When I saw her again, I was like, oh yeah, because there's this other thing that hasn't happened. And it hasn't happened yet, which means there's going to be a few more episodes. She's here.
Speaker 1:And then I put as is creepy attractive fisherman, vincent, vincent and the first two minutes of this episode. Guys, there were two incidences of acceptable pedophilia. Okay, two, it was Tamara and the fisherman. I don't mean like, I just mean acceptable pedophiliacs. I was going to say I don't think Tamara did anything in those two minutes, but Vincent did. Was that a word, pedophiliacs? I'm sorry, it's not funny, it's not. I'm laughing at my funny. I don't know what word. I think it's just pedophiles, correct. I think that's what you were trying to say. There were two pedophiles shown on screen in separate scenes in the first two minutes, correct, correct, and tamra was just walking around.
Speaker 1:But, um, she has to walk it around, it's fine, she was, but vincent was being inappropriate, yeah, from the jump, and then I'm gonna fast forward and then we'll go back there when we get there. Like, when he was like shocked that when she said she was 16, they fucking he addressed them being underage last episode, right, yes, ok, so, whatever, it was very clear he knew that they were in high school, right, and then he said you're 16. And it's like you knew that she lives with her freaking grandma. Hello, did you not notice the doilies? Yeah, weird, yeah, I don't know, that was weird. Um, so vincent's still there and that was not fun. And he was flirting with her and basically asked her out that night, like in that scene which she first is like no about, and then it's like okay, fine, and like tells him when to meet up or whatever, and then she like walks away with that, like smile, I know, like happy smile and I was like, oh, I know, I didn't like that.
Speaker 1:Um, okay, so I did laugh a little at when andy comes into the video shop. So many things going on there and pacey's working at the video shop and they have all the names for porn. I know jacuzzi, floozy was one. I was dying. I didn't write them all down. It made me laugh, though, cause of course, he's a teenage boy working alone in a video store who has access to porn and he's going to be watching it. Yes, also, he had on a moon pie shirt and it made me so excited. There was a moon pie shirt and his little vest, or his video store vest. I love that.
Speaker 1:Um, okay, so then they're at the mall, and did you notice what store they were in? No, but I just saw Urban Decay. Yeah, urban Decay was so fun and how Abby's just like casually shoplifting, which isn't funny, but the way that she just like she just keeps talking and like throwing stuff in her bag but also a testament to the times of when it was easy to shoplift. So I didn't shoplift, but I had friends who don't. Yeah, and it was easy. Yeah, yeah, because they didn't have all the videos or the sensors or the whatever.
Speaker 1:But also, do you want to know something about shoplifting that I learned when my kid worked at tj maxx? Y'all, don't use this in in bad ways, don't use this. I know what you're gonna say. Do you know that their policy? They can't, they're not allowed to confront people about stealing? Yeah, so cadence, like people steal so much stuff because we can't. They have like one person who like walks around caught and they're called like they're not called a security guard, they're called like a I don't know inventory specialist or something okay, and they're supposed to be, but they can't legally like apprehend people. Yeah, and so you can like literally watch somebody and they just go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know that not wild and I think it's developed like from the time that this Dawson's Creek was on until now. And just as a safety thing, stores are more liable if they give permission for their employees to confront people and something happens. It's crazy Than to just pay for whatever they steal. Isn't that wild? It's wild. And I haven't looked this up for a fact, but I work with someone who recently moved from California to a different state and she said in California you can't prosecute someone for shoplifting for anything under $999 or less. So people just be walking into CVS and stealing like $800 worth of stuff and walking out because the employees can't stop them and they can't be prosecuted Again. I have not fact checked this, but she lived there. No, it's similar to what happened at TJ Maxx, yeah, and that PS just makes everything more expensive for everyone. Capitalism. So don't do that. I know, don't do that. Also, like, oh, no, I'm not getting there, I don't feel like it. Okay.
Speaker 1:Also, speaking to Abby, I wrote damn the slap. Oh, yeah, when Jen slapped Abby, yeah, because, okay, abby's supposed to be this unlikable, right? I mean, she's supposed to be, she's supposed to be, yeah, but, man, some of that, though, is just so how girls can be. When they're jealous, they want to make you feel bad about yourself because they feel bad about themselves, yeah, they're trying to, like, lower your confidence Because they feel threatened, threatened, totally. So she deserved that pop in the face. Well, here, okay. So here, let's look at that, though. I mean, I don't condone violence, but I was going to say, because we've talked about when was it? Which movie was it? When we were talking about when the boys get in a fight and how, that was sort of a sign of toxic masculinity. And now we're saying it's okay for girls to hit each other.
Speaker 1:Now I will say I slapped the shit out of a guy in high school because he told me I was a slut and I slapped the crap out of him. Oh dang Sorry, you deserved it. I don't even care. Hope you're doing well out there. I'm going to say your name. I know who you are. I think it's fair to say if you're listening, go away. No, I'm sure he's fine now. I'm sure I'm sure he's a lovely person. Maybe your slap set him straight. Maybe he has that slap to thank.
Speaker 1:Then he sucked his cousin after me, who was a girl, to beat me up, did she? She tried, she like stalked me, she tried. No, no, no, no, we did not get into it. Guys, I am not a fighter. Okay, I was in one fight ever in my life and it was with a friend of mine in high school and all I did was pull her hair. So Wow, anyway, it was the end of a school year and he like sicked his cousin after me and she like stalked me for weeks. Oh, that's scary. And then it was summer and then she forgot about me. So, but, and she was, she was tough, like I was scared of her but she would like drive by my house. She stood outside of a party. I was at one time like she was ready to kick my ass Cause I slapped her cousin, but then I was like I'm you really defending, hit whatever? Yeah, we're teenagers, so let's move on. Well, and that's what I'm just going to say.
Speaker 1:This is not the answer, but, like the, the developmentally common way that that plays itself out, whether you're a woman or a man or whatever. It is what it is. I know whether it's right or wrong, it exists. It did then and it does now. Have you ever slapped somebody, katie? I don't think so. It does feel kind of good. I'm trying to think that's the only person I've ever slapped. Yeah, I don't think I've ever slapped anyone, and it was hard.
Speaker 1:Like we were standing in the hall. Our teacher was late, so it was in front of a bunch of people oh damn. But bunch of people, oh damn. But he was like would not leave me alone. It's a long story, but it was like he was friends with the boyfriend I had.
Speaker 1:Remember the one? I told you we were on a break and it was my fault and everybody like found out like that I cheated on the boyfriend. So he was sort of trying to defend his friend, right, but he's also just being a dick because he's a teenage kid. I mean, you know, and you know, rumors were flying and blah, blah, blah and he would not stop, like he was just kept on and kept on and I was like I said to him you better shut up, like something. And so he got in my face, damn, and he was like ha ha ha, slut. And I went, wow, and when I tell you, it echoed and and you know, like when you see those scenes in movies and people are like, oh, that happened, that for real happened.
Speaker 1:But then we had to sit through class together because it's like before class, yes. So I was crying and like, oh, was he a lot bigger than you? No, no, not really. Okay, not much. I mean he was a shorter guy, okay, okay, god, isn't that funny. I can still remember that that was I. I bet the people that saw it can still remember it too. Man, it is kind of funny, but it's not.
Speaker 1:Violence is not the answer. If I could go back, I would not slap him, I would have addressed him and confronted him and told him to shut the hell up. Yeah, but what I should have done was just remove myself somehow. Yeah, well, hormones, adrenaline, emotions so you've never slapped a person. I really don't think I have. I think I would have remembered. It is a nice feeling when you're so in the moment, when you put it in the moment, in the moment right, when you're mad.
Speaker 1:And they were being really driving from my town to the neighboring town once by myself, I was probably 16 in my first car, and sometimes, when you're first learning to drive, you don't even realize, oh yeah, whether I was driving too close to this car or not. I don't know, but there's basically country roads that get you from one to the other, so I was behind this car most of the way. You couldn't pass people. So we get to the first stoplight in the town we're going to and she puts the car in park and she was either a teen my age or maybe in her 20s gets out of the car no ma'am and starts walking back toward my car, yelling at me and is cursing, wanting me to get out of the car and fight her. And I'm rolling my window up because it's like a manual window and I can't reach the passenger side, but then the light turned green and so like a couple cars behind us honked and then like whoever's in it. So she just got in and I was also gonna be going that way, so I just went straight. That was the closest she ever came to a slap, yeah, and I don't know who that was, but she wanted to kick my ass. Whoa, I'm scary and I couldn't get my little window up fast enough.
Speaker 1:That's the only time you ever been close to a physical. I mean, I'm sure there are others. Some of my college roommates and I either we, when we were inebriated or not, gotten to some pretty good arguments. I don't think they they never turned physical, but they probably could have. Wow, okay, just over like stupid shit, like boys and clothes borrowing each other's clothes without asking and stupid stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I I mean, like I said, I only got into that one physical altercation. I don't even know what we were fighting about, but we, it was like we were having a sleepover and we were doing like a camp out sleepover. Okay, so it was like tons of us, but it like the first part of the night boys were there, like so it was like a party or whatever, and I don't know what happened. And I had had it with her and she had super long hair, like really, and it was in a ponytail. Oh, I walked up to her. I walked up to her, grabbed her ponytail and yanked her head back. Oh my gosh, that's awful right, yeah, yeah. And then, I don't know, we scuffled for a bit. We probably did some of these Like you know, dinosaur slaps, and then we started laughing and then that was it. Yeah, I don't even know what it was about. She would probably know. I'll have to tag her in this. That's so funny.
Speaker 1:Anyway, moving on from physical altercations, those are altercations. So right away, mitch and Gail get into an argument. All their arguments in this whole episode were heartbreaking to me. It was cringe the whole time. It was cringe, it was so sad, it was just so sad. So he's upset with her that she's having to over to dinner and is like accusing her, like of sleeping with not sleeping with him. But just, you know a history of that. And I mean valid, yes, but what I didn't love that mitch did and again this happens when people who care about each other are arguing, they dig deep was that kale just kept bringing it back to him not working, working, and well, I'm the one that supports his family and it was to me like that makes anyone feel bad. But she was trying to kind of emasculate him, I know, and I didn't like that. But again, that's what actually happens when people argue with each other. And if she had resentment about that, it was coming out. And you say things when you're in a heightened emotional state, whether it's good or bad, right, you just you know what to say. You know to say to get them to react the way you want or for you to like feel better. Oh yeah, and so I didn't like how she did that. Um, I didn't either. I did okay.
Speaker 1:So this is kind of random, but when we're in the restaurant scene there's a few of them, but jack and joey are working. This is earlier in the show because they're in the restaurant again later, but anyway earlier and jack's giving this description of why he likes working in the restaurant and I felt it. I was like that's why I always loved working in restaurants. He's like he says it's short, it's like 30 seconds, and he's like every day you meet new people, where else can you be that all different walks of life could walk through that door and one day to the next, you don't know like what, who you're going to meet and what you're going to do. And I was, and it's always busy and you're always moving. I was like, yeah, that's why I loved working at restaurants. Yeah, that's why I love bartending at the theater.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's really fun. I mean, now it's volunteering. We do get tips, so we're kind of make a little money, but we're not there. We're not there as like an hourly thing, but that's why it's fun. Yeah, same thing, I didn't even pick up on that. Yeah, it was very quick, I must've been planking.
Speaker 1:It's when he you're like I'm not crawling over to write that down, um, well, he, it was during the, you all bothered and she's like, oh, this, this, he goes. No, you're always like this, oh yeah. And then she's like, well, it's just working here isn't exactly a walk in the park or whatever she says. And then he says the thing why he likes working in restaurants. And then I feel for her because, like you know, when you're unhappy in your life, um, and you just act miserable all the time, we've all been there, oh yeah, when somebody says something like that to you, cause I can remember, like someone calls you out on it, you she didn't get defensive right away, right away. It did happen, but not right away though, cause you could see her face be like.
Speaker 1:I can remember times in my life, like when my kids were small and I was doing the parenting alone a lot and Troy was gone a lot. I remember one time he's like you just seem so miserable and he was concerned, but I was like I'm not, why would you say that? And I'm like. But now, looking back, I'm like Ooh, because I was had no patients. I was miserable Cause I was not taking care of myself in the way I needed to be taking care of myself and which was probably being in therapy. I can't going to be honest, but like I saw that when he said that to her and she was like ooh, and she did defend herself eventually, but not right away. So I was like she let it sit in for a minute.
Speaker 1:I've noticed that with Jack she kind of lets down her wall a little more and I don't know if it's just like an inherent feeling of safety with him. It's foreshadowing it is. If it's just like an inherent feeling of safety with him because he's foreshadowing he's not. It is because it's not Pacey and it's not Dawson, it's and it's not her sister and it's not. If anything Jack knows I mean he probably knows about her family trauma I think they already have talked about it, but like he wasn't part of that part of her life. So maybe that's why she's a little more like I don't know. She takes kind of what he says with a grain of salt more and gets less defensive.
Speaker 1:But anyway, I just love that description. And I just have another oof on Mitch and Gail's fight. But we already kind of discussed that and I put you know what I put. You're going to laugh when Mitch and Gail both have the people there and you know they have those weird like 90s glasses. I'm like those are the smallest glasses of wine ever. Oh, they're tiny, they're so small. Yeah, it was probably like four ounces of wine. I was like what Portion sizes really have changed? Yeah, I was like that's two sips of wine, what you have to keep filling that up. Whoever was in charge of those props set dressing boo on you. That's not real life. Yeah, exactly. But then, okay, since we're talking about parents.
Speaker 1:Andy's mom, I know I forgot how sad her whole story makes me again, unresolved trauma. Unresolved trauma and untreated trauma. And I couldn't tell in the first scene when pacey shows up because they decide to go on a date but they're confused about where they're supposed to meet. So he shows up at her house and the mom answers the door and is like setting the table. I knew something was off and I couldn't tell if it was dementia. No, it ends up not being. It's like a trauma induced mental illness, that kind of according to Andy, turns itself on and off based on the death of her brother. Well, I think. Well, I don't want to say too much because, if you don't remember from watching this before, there's other stuff at play there and then the trauma happened and so it's not dementia, it's mostly trauma. I mean because when I mean now side note, since we're speaking of mental health I was talking to our friend Jen who side note, since we're speaking of mental health I was talking to our friend Jen who is a mental health professional and I don't know what we were talking about, something about.
Speaker 1:I said do you, do you like diagnosis, like listening to the podcast? She's like oh yeah, all the time she's like. It always makes me laugh when y'all say something about mental health, because, because we have our own shit, but anyway, uh, mean, when you have severe trauma, like she had, which we can just say I mean they were in a car wreck, she was driving and her son died Like how do you not carry that with you, right, and not be really, but nobody's, like the dad just leaves, yeah, or well, not, he stayed and they they right, and yeah, I think there was. It just kind of set her into this um, mental state. That is, and if you don't address mental health issues, they're only going to stay the same or get worse. They're not going to improve, right? Yeah, I know it was really sad. It was. It just makes me so sad, yeah, and and for everybody, like for the mom, obviously, but then everything on Andy and Jack and their dad somewhere else. So he's probably dealing with his own, you know, dealing with it his own way.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I'm sad, um, okay, so now we have to talk about Vincent, I know, at Graham's and them sharing their most embarrassing sexual activities, and then he talks about his story, where he's talking about how he was with a person and then he was like he, she or whatever, whatever, and I'm like, okay, ew, yeah, like 90s, problematic again. And then it was like, but he, she, whatever was, was cool and we had a good laugh and we just stayed up all night talking and I was like, no, no, if that person went back to your room with you to have sex with you and then you event, like, for whatever reason, you were like, oh nevermind, they wouldn't sit around and talk with you all night. Well, and also like that whole narrative of that. Um, you know, I don't want to like misidentify the person that a trans person or whatever, whatever their chosen identity is that I don't know the right label to say because I don't know the situation but to make it seem like they're tricksters, like I'm trying to trick somebody.
Speaker 1:I don't like that narrative that was pushed so much in the media. You know, like the crying game, like it was like this whole trickster, like they're, they've got like devious plans. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's like like, oh, they're not going to tell you until the last minute. Like what? Maybe they just assume going to tell you until the last minute, like what, maybe they just assume, you know, right, it's like I mean because their safety or that attraction is attraction, right, or like their safety would be in jeopardy, right, that's right. Yeah, so like I don't know. But that's the 90s, again, product of times, problematic.
Speaker 1:And another thing I didn't like, which is also goes into that, is that when Vincent is telling the story for this other person who's not there to tell the story says, yeah, you know, they had an abusive father. Oh, right, the whole thing, like always. And I was like, oh, give me a break. Here we go, saying that trauma would make you feel that way or want to identify a certain way. Correct, it's like. No, every person who identifies as anything, there are people who have trauma. Right, I mean, I have trauma out the wazoo and I just it was almost like the writers just had to put that in there. By the way, by the way, you don't choose your sexual orientation or your gender, it just is part of you. So let's just burn that trash where it needs to be. Yeah, that whole part was horrible. Like let's just burn that trash, because if people could choose, it would make life a lot easier sometimes. So that's a bunch of bullshit and I hate it.
Speaker 1:But again, again the 90s, yeah, but then what also was terrible about that scene? And I I would love to give the writers credit and be like, oh, they did this on purpose to show a juxtaposition, but I don't think they did what you're gonna say, yeah, when she tells her story of her most embarrassing and it was getting caught having sex on her parents bed, I'm like what a difference. This full-grown man having a night out on the town in new orleans, yeah, goes back to a room that he's paying for or whatever, and her story is like I'm in my mom and dad's house with, like, my boyfriend and get caught having sex and they were mad because of their comforter or whatever she said. So why would you go in your parents room? I don't know. Sorry, that's weird, that's weird. Well, it was. It was very cringy, but I was like man, what a like way to just prove that these people are not on the same sexual developmental level, right, or any developmental level that they should be like physically intimate, I know. Anyway, also, I put the pie scene no, sir, the pie scene closer. The pie scene, yeah, where he puts the pie on her, oh, yeah, also, because filming this she was 17 and she was a grown ass adult, yeah, and they kissed and stuff, I know. Oh well, so did I mean? Well, pacey was an adult.
Speaker 1:Joshua Jackson was 19. She was the youngest, yeah, right, but even so. I mean she was 16 in the first season, so she was 17. Well, maybe she was 18. But still Still, no, thank you no.
Speaker 1:And then, okay, abby trying to make out with Dawson. That was so funny, like I know she's supposed to be terrible, but that's why I love her character, because she's just so terrible. Like, no, shame. But she was like trying to like massage and look out the window at the same time to see if Jen's watching. And then she's like can we just kiss in front of the window so Jen sees us? Can you please get out of here? And then I was like, okay, so far this season Dawson has had two attractive teenage girls throw themselves at him. Then he's turned down. If that isn't like a middle-aged man writer's fantasy come true In his bedroom. Dawson with his derpy hair and his cargo shirt. He is cute, oh girl, but it's a lot, I know, it's too much, I know, to be believable. And then, of course, okay.
Speaker 1:So then we have where vincent starts to go too far. Well, it's all too far, but yes, but to the point that she is actually voicing no and then grams shows up, which thank god I know and I did say go grams. But then when she scolds jen later, it's too much. She basically is like you will show respect for yourself, because she catches them, kind of making out and points out that Jen's 16, and of course the guy goes scurrying because he's terrified of grams and the fact that he is. I think he knew she was a minor, but like now he's caught with a minor. Well, I know, like maybe he was just pretending like he didn't know she was 16, because it they made it clear that he knew they were under age. Yeah, I don't know, it was weird, but I did feel for Jen.
Speaker 1:I just always feel bad for Jen because she tried to stop it. She realized, look, sometimes you get into situations that you think you want and then you realize quickly this was a mistake, which is, I think, is what happened to her. I think so and it's like I teach my kids with consent, like a yes can turn into a no at any time Yep, it's not the definite it's and a no can turn into a yes sometimes, but also remember, and so I just I feel bad for her. She's trying again, trying to find something to cling to for comfort, and just someone she got in over her head. And then Graham's, she's trying to protect her, but instead she just makes her feel worse. Well, she slut shames her. Right, exactly, and if she said you had, you, don't have any respect for yourself, have some respect for yourself. Yeah, and it's like, oh, that's the last thing she fucking needs to hear, right, yeah, and that's that's not the core of this problem. No, right, no. And not to mention that, yes, jen maybe found herself in the situation and then was like, oh, no, but he was predatory. Oh, yeah, period, period, he's an adult. He was predatory. You can't expect a child to act like an adult, correct, correct, yep, I mean, um, yeah, so one thing. I I have it on the page a couple times, i'm'm just going to hit on it.
Speaker 1:I really liked, toward the end of the episode, maybe last 10 minutes or so there were several examples of the characters holding space for each other in different scenes. So, like, even Abby tries to make Dawson feel a little better about divorce, yeah, and then you've got Pacey letting Andy vent and then giving her that hug. You've got Doss, uh, mitch, dawson's dad, crying and Dawson just kind of putting his hand on his back and letting him cry. I thought that was really powerful, that scene. Mitch, oh that's. I wrote there I had three sad faces. Oh, my God, you do have three.
Speaker 1:Mitch breaking down in the kitchen yeah, because he was like my dad taught me all these things, but he never taught me what to do if your wife has sex with somebody else or however the hell. He said, yeah, if your wife cheats on you or whatever. He's like. He taught me how to fix a car and how to be a dad, and so, valid, nobody teaches you right what to do when you get thrown this fucking horrible curveball that you don't wish on anybody else and that can be anything, and the implication, of course, was that his dad's no longer with him. For him to ask now.
Speaker 1:But I think it was just like nobody taught me how to do this Right, like I don't know what I'm supposed to do, because Dawson was telling him dad, you have to do this and that you have to. Like you know, and he's like well, nobody told me and there's no right answer. That's the key. No one really can tell you because every situation is different and every relationship is different and every phase of life is different and you know so. There's not like you want there to be, like I feel for Mitch, when you're in that spot and you're just like everything sucks every direction you want someone to be like, like this is the thing to do, that will work out for you and they can't. Whether it's that situation or whatever situation you're in in life, I know I really felt that.
Speaker 1:I thought that was a really good scene because grown man crying son letting him cry, putting his hand on his back and trying to listen, I just thought that was really good. Um, those are all the hugs. Had a I mean Dawson had a cry moment too with Joey, right, mm-hmm, not the Dawson meme cry moment. No, not that one. That's not for a while. That one we're still getting to, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I put I don't know why I put this, because I already mentioned Gail. I just said I think this is when she was sitting on the porch. Toward the end it says Gail is so pretty and age appropriate. That's literally what I wrote in Pink Parker. We have talked about that before. We have. Yeah, it's true, but it was just a reminder.
Speaker 1:I was just like you know, she looks her age, yeah, but she's so beautiful. I'm telling you, though, the 90s middle-aged people looked their age, yeah, she their age, yeah, and they looked more like real people, yep, like middle-aged people and shit. Now we don't look like that. We, we went to turn on the camera. Today we're like dan's, like why do we always look so tired? I'm like because this is what we look like, but then I'm like they're not putting us on tv. So it's true, true, true. I mean okay, so the okay.
Speaker 1:So I have to say this the full moon kiss with joey Jack. Even though he didn't ask her first if it was okay and he knew she had a boyfriend, I still was here for it. I'm problematic in this situation. Cinematically, it was really pretty. I'm like, okay, he didn't ask if it was all right and, plus, she already has a boyfriend, so you're stepping over. But like I was here for it, it was really nice. But like I was here for it, it was really nice. I just and I think it's because I like Jack so much, I know it's just hard, it's just hard to. Yeah, he's so lovable and fun, okay.
Speaker 1:So again, I forgot to write down this. I wrote the time for divorce moment when he walks in Gail sitting in the bedroom, oh, oh. And they just finally are like it's time. Oh, gutted me. Heartbreak, that's what I wrote in caps. Heartbreak. Yeah, that was awful.
Speaker 1:And then the whole last part of the episode was the jewel song hands. Yes, were you singing? I was. I was here. As soon as it did the do, do do. I was like, oh, my God, is this going to be jewel? And then she started singing. I was like hands. Yes, have you seen I was so hands? Yes, have you seen I was so happy. Have you seen this? You have to look this up later because you're gonna need something to lighten your mood later. Yes, do you have a very busy weekend? Or I'll just find it and send it to you.
Speaker 1:There's this um youtube clip or maybe it's probably on tiktok, but I saw it somewhere else. This lady has, you know, those little bitty plastic hands you can buy. Yeah, you know I'm talking, I do. She's wearing those with like a sweatshirt and lip singing the song hands. Oh, my god. Okay, she's trying to like that pick up stuff and it's like these hands are small, I know, because they are small, they're literally hilarious. It's so funny. Okay, anyway, sorry, I'm gonna have to check that out. That's all I had. Me too. I just said the ending montage was really great, with the hands and like going between the different scenes and it's nighttime now. So like the aesthetic of that is just so pretty. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I really like this episode. I mean, obviously there was some. Yeah, it felt very much like a drama. Yeah, like I mean it is a drama, but I mean like I had that moment where I was like oh yeah, this is like kind of like a teen soap opera kind of situation, I think, because it's season two.
Speaker 1:Season two is kind of where they figured out what they wanted to do with this show. Uh-huh, do you know? Yes, like they kind of were like all right, let's address, but then it get you. I have so much to say when we go later because they hit on so many things this season. A hundred percent Awesome. Well, we'll have episode. What's that? Five, six, we'll have the next episode. I think that was five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me look at my handy dandy and care burner. Handy candy, handy candy. Oh, there's an idea. We both said we're recording on valentine's day, we are. Did you get any candy today? Well, I'm not eating candy, so no, that's right. I got a rose. And then um brant is making me dinner at home and tegan's gonna my little one's gonna to be our waiter. That is freaking cute. I bet she brings her CD player, oh my God, and plays me some tunes. They'll probably be Olivia Rodrigo, cause those are literally the only CDs she has. Do you want to know what we're doing? What are you doing? We are going to Lowe's to look for a new refrigerator. Look, if that isn't marriage and romance after 22 years on Valentine's Day, and it will not be busy, it's a good time to go. I know Nobody's going to be a Lowe's on Valentine's Day except Zannie and Troy Combs, and I hope you get a good refrigerator.
Speaker 1:I really do so hard to make this. Our fridge has sounded like it's going to die for years. It says we bought this house three years ago and now it's like things keep breaking off of it and now things are like freezing and like condensating and like it's it's too much. It's time. I feel like, with stuff like that that happened with our old fridge before we got a new one, and then, um, an air conditioner unit that we just kept to the bitter end. Yeah, as soon as you take the step and change it, you're, you're like life change. My quality of life has improved, I know so much.
Speaker 1:Why did I wait this long? Because it's fucking expensive. That's why yeah, that's exactly why. And then it just goes, sits on a landfill also. So that's why we try to hold on to shit as long as we can. Yeah, that's true, I mean, but, like, eventually, because they don't make having to sound like old lady, they don't make things like they used to, so nothing is made to have a long time because they want you to buy new ones. I know, all right, well, we're gonna go before. All right, we're gonna go. Um, thanks, it seems like you guys really like these dawson's creek rewatches. We get a lot of listens. So, um, stick with us for this and our other episodes. Yeah, and we'll see you next time. Bye, bye.
