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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between. If you love 1980's and 1990's pop culture content, this is the podcast for you!
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Dawson's Creek, S2 E4: Joey's Art Era & Tamara's Return
Y'all, Tamara is back and we aren't happy about it. Listen in as we dissect our rewatch of Dawson's Creek Season 2, Episode 4, entitled Tamara's Return. We're rewatching all of Season 2 on Hulu (as of Feb 2025) so won't you join us on this trip down memory lane?
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Generation. In Between our Dawson's Creek rewatch, we are in season two. You're yawning, but I'm going to say I'm Katie and I'm Dani and, if you're tuning in, this is our special bonus episodes. Bonus in the sense that these are outside our normal episodes, nostalgic or problematic. We are rewatching Dawson's Creek. They're not really bonus, they're just part of a series. There we go, yeah, there we go, like we have our regular episodes with our whatevers, and then we have our little nostalgic, problematic series.
Speaker 1:Yes, I thought you were going to say something else. I did too. You really looked like you were going to. Nothing came out of my mouth, all right. So, danny, tell the listeners and the viewers on YouTube little plug there what is happening. Tell them what this episode is all about.
Speaker 1:Well, before I do that, I'm just going to say things are already flying off the rails because we're recording on a Saturday. Already flying off the rails because we're recording on a Saturday. It is 5, 12 PM, which shouldn't. We haven't been drinking anything except coffee. Well, maybe that's the problem. I don't usually have caffeine this late in the day because I'm middle-aged, um, and we're just off. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:So we are on season two, episode four, and it is titled tomorrow's return. Oh, but, but here's the summary. You guys already know what I'm gonna be saying. This episode, so whatever, here it is. Um, tomorrow's return dredges up unresolved feelings in pacey as joey struggles for independence from dawson. Oh, yep, that's about it, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So, first of all, opening scene. Before the intro music even starts, dawson and Joey making out oh yeah, I wrote that, I wrote that. And she's like so uncomfortable and he's like we have nowhere else to go and I'm like God, I remember that Like you, just you have to find weird places to make out and you're like sweating and you're like she was freezing and he was like not caring. Yeah, he, he was like like he always does, dawson's romanticizing. He's like we're outside and we have the fresh air and the birds are symphony or whatever, and she's like this is a little too. I wrote this down. Joey said this is a little too Swiss family Robinson for me Like swiss family robinson yeah, for me, like. She even said like I'm a modern girl, like I want to be comfortable when I'm making out, or whatever. Same, joey, same.
Speaker 1:But that scene was just really funny to me. I was just like oh yeah, also, like I always love, like these makeout scenes just are so funny because, like you know, katie and I have been married to our peeps for a while. Like you don't make out any, you know, like you, I mean you, I mean you know you, you're physically affectionate and have intimacy, but like making out is so funny, like it's just. You know, you remember those hours you would spend just kissing your boyfriend and your lips would be all chapped. It sounds terrible, I know. I was thinking that. Like when does that stop being fun? Now, watch, there's going to be all these married people listening to me like, well, y'all are rude because we still make out for six hours a day. If you do have at it, girl or boy, whoever you are, you'd be making out. But like I ain't trying to be making out for three hours under a tree no, me either. But if you do go on, honestly, I'm not doing nothing under a tree for three hours, no, unless I'm writing in my journal oh, my God, you're so cute. I'm definitely not doing that You're like, and that is one of the things I'm not doing. Actually, liza, I would drink wine under a tree while I'm watching some music somewhere. Okay, that's what we'll do. We need me writing in a journal. We need me writing in a journal, you drinking out of the bottle of wine, watching some music. Yeah, oh, sure, so, all right, so that whole, we both wrote that. Yeah, that was funny.
Speaker 1:Um, okay, so then we see tamara, because she, I said, is the one selling the property. Yeah, right, so she's. That's, that's why she's in town. Okay, she was a teacher and like owned this ginormous warehouse, warehouse property, and she's like I have to get rid of it. I'm like girl, yeah, how, first of all, she lived on the beach. Yes, I remember that house and she owned this giant warehouse. Yeah, I know, hello, was it like her family business before she got divorced or something? I don't know. Maybe she got it all, something, I don't know, maybe she got it all in her divorce, maybe that's what I was thinking. Anyway, yeah, so that's the premise. She's back because she's trying to sell these properties that she owns. So that's why she's there in the first place.
Speaker 1:If you didn't listen to season one, very quickly, tamara was the teacher, english teacher who ends up having a physical relationship with Pacey, her student, and there's like rumors about it, and she ends up having to, like, go to court for it, but then Pacey denies it all and everything's dropped and she moves out of town. That's what's going on with her. Well, now she's back in town to sell this property. So, yeah, that's my whole, my whole thing that I call that was what they did on the show was acceptable pedophilia, and I still feel like that and I will always feel like that and I hate that storyline and this, this episode, we'll get into it. Oh, it's awful, we're going to get really bad. It's almost almost worse than, like some of the first season. I agree, my opinion, I agree, okay.
Speaker 1:So one thing that I said that I loved Andy's locker, of course, is right next to Pacey. I know, right, she's new ish, and somehow her and Pacey have lockers next to each other, who they have this little flirtation going back and forth, Right. So of course, I just thought that that was funny and then I wrote down in quotes get your pocketbook. Oh, abby wants Jen to to go shopping with her and she's like get your pocketbook, I love I. I wrote down abby has the best lines she does. I think she just they have.
Speaker 1:So they had so much fun writing her dialogue and I mean she had a good. That actress had a good time. She did, she had a good time. Yeah, I loved that, um, but then, but then like I put this as I didn't like just because the way she said it, but it's a pretty good line for abby.
Speaker 1:When she said to jen, you don't feel like shopping and you call yourself a woman, oh yeah, I was kind of like, oh, come on, I mean. But also that's kind of abby's character, like oh yeah, she's such a problem to just be saying offensive things and also like I don't know, just be trying to stir the pot. Oh yeah, she's such a problem to just be saying offensive things and also like I don't know, just be trying to stir the pot, oh yeah. And so she said that to jen because she's trying to get jen to go help her spend her allowance, which also that was really cringy. She's literally just holding handfuls of money. There's it's stacked nicely, and she's like, look here, it's my allowance. Like do your parents just hand, literally hand you a stack of money, even in the late 90s? That's kind of odd. Right, it was just funny. And she's like at school, I know, okay, speaking of things at school that were weird.
Speaker 1:I was dying laughing when Andy had the VCR tapes from the movie rental store fall out her backpack. I'm like why the fuck does she have this? It's cool. Why does she have those in the first? She has a car. Yeah, she could have left them in the car, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then the movies were ghost. I forget the other one. And then dumbo was it when harry met sally? No, I wrote it down. Oh, here it is. Ghost the way we were. Oh, remember that movie which is very serious, like drama. And then Dumbo, yeah, which her and Pacey have a little laugh over because he's like I love that movie too. I feel so bad for Dumbo and his big floppy ears, and she's like me too, and they're sort of bonding over Dumbo. But, yeah, the like clunky. Not one VHS tape I know In her backpack, three of them popping out of her backpack.
Speaker 1:I was like why did she bring those into school? Even if she was like, okay, I'm leaving my house this morning After school, I have to swing by the video rental store, you would not put them in your backpack, you would put them on the front seat of your car, probably. I know it was funny, it was funny. Anyway, it was funny what I didn't like to. Ok.
Speaker 1:So then Dawson and Joey go to this sort of like art workshop Kind of they're talking about different art and it's kind of abstract the art that they're talking about. And I just put Dawson's critique of the art Bleh, of course, because he's just like it's boring. There's no definitive whatever, there's no narrative arc, and you can tell that Joey was very moved by it because you know, people perceive art different ways. That's why art is art and so it just kind of made me annoyed. I'm like why? I know, I know I'm a Dawson, I love Dawson, but it just I think anyone who's ever had anybody, but certainly someone they're like dating or a significant other sort of be like, oh, I don't know why you would like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can relate to that scene, right, and I think it's interesting too, because I was watching this episode thinking, obviously you don't have to have a partner who's into everything you're into. Katie and I both have husbands who are not performers and honestly don't love musical theater, right, right, no, but I think there's a difference in not liking the same thing and then throwing shade to somebody for liking it. Agree, like raining, like you said yucking someone's yum, you said that before. Like they can sound like it, who cares? Like they can say I do not understand why you're into this, I don't like. I thought it was so funny when brant was talking about how he hates tap dancing so much. Yeah, maybe giggle, but then I'm like, but also, he's not saying it's awful, he's just saying he, it's something, the sounds just bother him, right, right. So that's different than saying God, katie, what the hell is wrong with you. Like, what's the point? Like you know, right, right, which is really what Dawson was doing and that's what I hated. Yeah, it's okay to not understand abstract art, and why don't you just say I just don't get it. Yeah, if you like it, fine, and you know what you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:You don't have to do everything together. That too, that period dot, period dot. I mean like, listen, I don't go with my husband and my kids and they go to um collector card shows. No, thank you, ma'am, I just miss out and that's okay. Yeah, that's okay, but you're not like that's stupid. Maybe you are, but you're not like berating them for going or being like why would you spend your time doing that? The only time I do say something for real, though, y'all is when they spend a lot of money on one little piece of card, sure, and I have to just be like, okay, but you spent like $200 on tickets to go see whatever show. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I have to do the same thing, especially like time stuff. Like I know, if I get annoyed with my husband, like spending time, a lot of time not home for a certain amount of time, for whatever it is, often it's for his work and also be like, oh, he's not here, and then I'm like, well, how about those three months when I was in a show, gone every night and every weekend? Like, right, you have, you have to kind of Right Balance it With. It's like the same but different, true fact, but anyway, true, true. So then I had another Negative.
Speaker 1:Well, it's when Tamara Walks up. Is this when she sees him? And Andy, I think so. And she's in floral slip dress. It looks. I don't know if it's the same one, but it looks so much like the one she was wearing in the video store when she met pace. Oh, how'd you remember that? Because I just remember that dress. I think I bet it's the same one purpose. You know what I wrote? Similar or the same. I just wrote frowny face.
Speaker 1:Why did they have to bring tomorrow back? I'm like talking about the closure, like guys back to my rich. I mean, that's what I thought when she came, but it's the same scene. I know it's funny, like why yeah, I know, I know Like why. Like we had her whatever we had, we were moving on. We have new characters like Dawson and Joey have their kind of drama going on. Let's just like stick with all that and not only they bring her back. They put her in the same dress. I I'm I need to look at a side by side because it's if it's not the same dress, it's very close. I think it's the same dress. They probably did it on purpose and maybe it was because she did it on purpose. Oh, see, there we go see. Why'd they have to bring her back? I don't know. Good question, no reason. Um, I put a heart.
Speaker 1:When joey is talking about how her mom was an artist oh, I know I, because I don't think we knew that before this. No, we did. We did know that she was an artist, okay, but when she's talking about how her mom was an artist, but not like, not like a commercial artist or anyone who did it for a living. She just enjoyed, enjoyed it, and it just the way she kind of talked about it, just I thought was really heartwarming, that it's like, oh, that good memory of her mom, yeah, something she associates with her. I thought that was really cute.
Speaker 1:I put a little smiley when she was talking about lady and the lady told her with talent comes responsibility. I wrote that down too and you owe it to yourself to not let that talent go to waste. Yes, come on, preach, I mean for anyone. But I feel like Joey really needs to hear that, because we talked in earlier episodes how she decided not to go to France because now she's dating Dawson and we were like, come on, now I know. Like what an opportunity that was, in our opinion, wasted. But she's kind of saying the same thing, like don't just sit on your talent and be like oh yeah, I guess I'm good at art or whatever it is you're good at. Yeah, when you know it, you then have that responsibility to pursue it. That's like Uncle Ben in Spider-Man says with great power comes great responsibility. Is that it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's another one. Yeah, that it's like yeah, you, once you know it, you have then the responsibility to that thing. Yeah, I thought that was really really cool.
Speaker 1:Um, one thing that I said I didn't like I put a, an x, which is my way of saying I don't like things in these is when andy shows up to. So, first of all, the scene's weird andy shows up to dawson's, which before this I didn't even know like her and dawson were like friends, like I think they weren't. That's why she thought it was weird. Okay, because he was like what I think. So the whole scene is weird, awkward. She's awkward, so that I think that's it was supposed to be awkward.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the scene is her just being trying to poke around to see if Pacey likes her in that way, but when he, when she gets there, he's carrying laundry. Yeah, no big deal, but he's like oh, I'm so sorry, I'm just in a bit of a domestic spell. Like he comments on not even pick up. Yeah, he comments on like he's like embarrassed that he's got laundry and he's like sorry, it's like a domestic moment or something. Oh, I didn't even pick up. Yeah, I was like what, just like, set your laundry down, you can do your own laundry. You don't have to explain it. I don't know. I thought that was weird, yeah, that's weird, but then, like she's awkward and he was surprised by her. So I mean, if it was me maybe I'd be like sorry, sorry, working on laundry, I mean, who knows, but like that's funny, I didn't even. I thought it was weird.
Speaker 1:I the only thing I read about that scene was a smiley face because I said Andy going to Dawson with the whole, I like him. Does he like me? Like I remember doing that Right With that kind of situation, yeah, like, so I kind of think person, do you think they like me? Can you find out? Like right, it was just. Oh, I, I just remember that she's adorable, I know I love andy, I know, um, okay, so then, so there's a. There's two levels of accepted pedophilia in this episode. Oh, god, for real, because I just turned the page, I forgot about it. So, um, when abby and jen go to lunch, I don't think they're at Joey's restaurant, but they're at some restaurant that's like by the water and they're ordering.
Speaker 1:Well, I did put that this was funny because Abby sees this, this older guy, yes, who is good looking, but he's clearly a full grown man, like he's very hot. I think he was in a cool water. Remember that cologne that was so. I think he was in one of those ads. Oh, I could see it. He's very good looking, it just hit me. Yeah, okay, you remember how popular that was back in the 90s. I wonder if that was him. We'll look it up, all right. But when Abby sees him she says that's the sickest babe I've ever seen. And I did have to laugh at that because I was like that's a hilarious line. Here comes Abby again Go, though, with the 90s Nobody said sickest babe I've ever seen. I don't know, it was just funny. I know Whatever it's from, it is funny, but yeah.
Speaker 1:So then that storyline, which is an ex, is this really good looking guy which is kind of funny when Abby's trying to talk to him. Because I think if it wasn't us, we all knew like friends who would maybe like try to hit on older guys or whatever. So like that part was sort of like OK, but then the guy kind of like picking up on it and you can see him clearly zeroing in on Jen, who we already know is in a vulnerable place. She's probably exuding that and he's picking up on that energy. And then later in the episode they go to find whatever. Because he says he's there like working on a boat or whatever he's from out of town of course he is. And they find him and then he kind of turns Abby down because she that was another part. She's like we're gonna go to the watering hole and throw back a few, and it was just kind of funny, I know. And he's like turns her down, yeah, but then he calls jen back and he's like, well, like I'd love to hang out with you, don't bring abby. And I was just like, oh my lord, gross, gross, really gross. That's what I wrote. I wrote, uh, with the older guy because, like I yeah, all of you know sexualizing you too early, commenting on your body or your looks or trying to hit on you and like and you know what. Let me hold on. We're going to have a pause right here and I'm going to commentate on something else. This is so annoying.
Speaker 1:I was bartending two shows last Saturday and this is related. I mean, I'm 44 years old, I'm not a teenager, but it's related to what I'm about to say. In between shows I ordered food for me and the other guy oh, hunt, y'all know hunt Cause he was on our show, yeah, that we were bartending together and I was like I'm going to walk down and get it. It was a little pub, the main street pub, down the street Guys. It was like four 10 on the Saturday or yeah, it was like around four o'clock, something like that, maybe not even four o'clock. I walked down there, I sit at the bar, I order our food, I ordered something to drink.
Speaker 1:While I'm waiting and I'm sitting there, I'm on my phone trying to you know, text people check on my family and I hear this man next to me and be like, oh yeah, she's got my favorite color hair and my favorite and I don't know what he's saying. I'm just ignoring him. All women know the things you do to not interact with other, with men, right? So I'm like no eye contact and he's like she knows I'm talking about her, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like ignoring, not two minutes later, this man on the other side of me and I'm not even sitting next to these people, there's like at least a chair in between us.
Speaker 1:This older man over there says to me well, did you find the answer in your phone yet. So I ignore him, like I'm trying to make it very clear. I am not here to associate with anyone. I'm waiting on my food, leave me alone. Again, he says did you find the answer in your phone yet? Oh my God. And I look at him. I said I'm just. I don't know what I said, I'm just answering some text. Are we still proceeding to talk to me? And I felt so irritated and unsafe in those 15 minutes I was sitting there it's four o'clock in the fucking afternoon. 15 minutes I was sitting there. It's four o'clock in the fucking afternoon, yeah, and like I say all this to say I can remember situations similar to those things from as early as like 13. Yeah, and it still happens at 44. Sure, like I was giving no indication that I want to talk to you.
Speaker 1:I am by myself, like, like you are not entitled to have a conversation with me just because I'm by myself in a location, absolutely, and I feel like and it was both older men and I feel like older men when there are younger women, no matter what the ages are act creepy yeah, not all of them, no, I don't. The ages are act creepy yeah, not all of them. No, no, no, no, I don't mean all of them, right, but ones that, yeah, this is, and I say this to say we have been putting up with this bullshit since we were in training bras, right, right, yeah, I always, I always kind of grill my girls when they go to the gym and I'm always like, make sure you don't like talk to anyone at the gym. Even if you don't talk to them, it doesn't matter, right? That's why it's so annoying, yeah, and so, like my one daughter's, like oh, this one guy was saying to me and my friend like, oh, do you need help doing that the right way, or whatever. But I guess they were just. They were, of course, like, no, like go away. But it's like they can't even go exercise without some man either mansplaining or trying to hit on them, right, or trying to like test the waters while they're there literally minding their own business Right, exercising.
Speaker 1:And I will say, if you are a male person listening to this and now listen, I don't think that either one of these men that were trying to interact with me were trying to make me feel unsafe, right, and they were probably just bored and wanted to start a conversation. Sure, lonely, I don't know. But what I wish men would understand is how you make us feel in those moments, like, and if somebody is not trying to interact with you, right, leave them alone. Yes, don't keep asking, right, it's one thing to maybe. I mean, even then you probably shouldn't bother someone who's like clearly on their phone, trying to just be in their own world. But if you do and they do not respond or make eye contact or say something, maybe polite and short, and go back to what they're doing, then leave it there, leave it be. Also, they don't want to talk to you. Also, men understand that, like women, when we're by ourselves, we're already in a state of heightened awareness and anxiety. Yes, and we're on the on edge already, doesn't matter what time of day it is. And this is how we've lived our lives.
Speaker 1:Like I said, even before training bras oh sure, right, yeah, well, yeah, that's like the whole. Like you know, I will definitely go on like walks or when I would run, I would run by myself. But you always have in the back of your mind yeah well, I probably shouldn't. I should probably like go with someone or take a weapon, or like I would run with mace, or I have like one of those like key chain, like switchblades. You know that I would run with Because it's like it's kind of a pain to run with it, but I guess if I'm deciding to go by myself then I also need to arm myself, you know. So it's like it's, it's, and I think maybe that is what really bothered me in these scenes. That's why I say all this.
Speaker 1:But I don't want to just and and we're I think we've done a good job showing that we do think it's wrong with the other dynamic, which is the older woman and the younger man, but we have to be be sure that if we're going well, that was creepy and that was wrong, that we're also saying tamara and pacey are wrong, which we have been saying. But we just like, especially in this episode, it's like I think we still kind of got the creep vibe from the, from the sailor guy, but then they had him with this like shirt off. They were trying to make him as attractive as possible. I know, and I know what happens in the next episode, so I won't say anything. I can't remember I do, but yeah, I don't know. I think whenever I see stuff like that, it makes you remember. And then I had like this recent event happen and I came back I was so irritated, yeah, and I like couldn't sometimes you can't even put into words Like I'm, like it is not even 10, 30.
Speaker 1:Like it's not, like I'm sitting at a bar, not like it matters. I should be able to sit at a bar alone at any time of day and not be bothered, unless I want to be bothered, absolutely and generally I like to talk to strangers. I, you're the same way, you just I get like that too, but I know, when I'm alone and there's only men around me, yep, I am not engaging. I'm like that at hotels. If I'm traveling for work, yeah, I don't even want to go down to the bar to pick up my food, but sometimes you have to because they don't bring it to your room or whatever my food. But sometimes you have to because they don't bring it to your room or whatever, and I will like wait extra long to make sure like it's like ready and people will still try to talk to me, I know, and I'm like just looking over my shoulder. Hopefully they're not trying to get in the elevator, hopefully they don't notice where I'm going to like and that sucks, I just want to grab my dinner and, like, go sit by myself. Maybe I would eat it down here, but I don't want to be draw any attention to the fact that I'm here by myself and leaving here, but leaving this space by myself, yeah, you know. So it's just very.
Speaker 1:Have you seen those videos? Like those reels and like little shorts on socials? That's like it's gay men and they're like what I say when I see a woman walking alone so she knows I'm not a threat. No, I haven't. Oh, they're so funny, but it's. It's funny but also sad, because like, and it'll be like nice shoes, honey, or like, like as they walk by, like to know, like, oh, he's like, he's trying to say, like I'm, I'm not a threat to you. Right, be like. Where'd you get your highlights so the women aren't scared. But I'm like, but this is what. This is where we're like, this is where we're at. Yeah, like, you have to have a disclaimer as a male that you are not a threat to me, because, yeah, I've seen men, just in general before, say too like they'll cross the street to the other side just so the woman doesn't feel threatened, which I guess is nice. But then you like, feel bad. You're like I don't well, sorry, sorry, you have to do that because of the horrible people, yeah, out there who have made it that way and I, you know as much as I like, oh, things have gotten better, some things are well. That's a good example and we are reversing in a lot of ways. But let's move on, okay, let's move on. Sorry, um, okay, so, um, okay.
Speaker 1:So the part where dawson calls, uh, joey's art a hobby, yeah, and she calls him out, I know she's like how come filmmaking can be your life's work and passion, but art is a hobby for right, and and she was totally right, she was right, he was totally wrong on that. And I did like when Dawson and his dad, oh, I put an X, I just said whole scene with Tamara, oh, say that. When they were, oh, at the beach, at the beach, I wrote that too, cause I wrote it made it seem so adult when they were at the beach and it just pissed me off again. Yeah, it was, it was the wind was blowing and the beach was in the background, and even the words they were saying, yeah, it was like. He's like is it supposed to feel awkward? She's like yes, and you know, and it's just it's. And then he's oh, no, it's later when he asked her if she misses teaching. That's the other part, but anyway, but yeah, yeah, so that whole scene was just. And then I did love when dawson starts talking to his dad about this argument or fight he's having with joey and the art thing, and the dad's like you know, it's probably not about art, right, and I was like, yeah, good relationship advice in general, like when someone's really upset with you and you're like that doesn't seem like something you should be upset about. Yeah, it's something else, yeah, and it's like maybe a pattern of your behavior that's manifesting in this one thing. So I thought that was a cute scene. Yeah, the two of them talking about that.
Speaker 1:I also wrote down I don't remember when this happened, but I wrote good for Dawson telling Pacey to stay away. It's right after that, yeah, I have it there too. But then in the same breath, pacey told Dawson Andy is a girl, tomorrow is a woman, yeah. But then Dawson says exactly, I know you should be with a girl, right, but still I'm like right, yes, but good for Dawson. But, but also like the wording of Pacey, I know, yeah, to be like almost like I'm too good for a girl or I'm too grown for a girl. Like you are also a child, you are a child too. But if not to get too in the psychological weeds here, he was a child who was traumatized in this way, I know. So to have to go back, right, so to have to go back after you've been with an adult, which is traumatizing at that age and he may not realize the depth of that trauma yet. It might seem very foreign than to be with a quote unquote girl after that's already happened.
Speaker 1:I don't know, that scene was interesting, you're right. And then what's interesting is the scene right after that when, um, they're talking about the hot guy, yeah, jen says haven't you ever heard of statutory rape? Yes, and I was like hello writers, have you? I know, I thought that was so like. It's like hello, you're putting it right there, yeah. And then, yeah, I wrote that.
Speaker 1:Why is it statutory rape when it's Jen and Abby and the fishermen? But they still make it romantic between Pacey and Tamara, right, because then the next scene, or later on, yeah, not long from there, yeah, like what? That's such a double standard. It's a double fucking standard. Yeah, statutory rape when it's the girls, but then give it to Pacey and it can be this like adult relationship, right. Well, that's how they're depicting it. And that's how they're depicting it in the scenes. Yeah, not that it is one, but that's how it's not. No, except for Dawson telling him not.
Speaker 1:But then it's like the interactions they have Pacey having with her, which also they have him talking like he's some adult, he's a fucking 16 year old boy would never be that. Okay, well, the whole show's like that. So, never mind. I mean, everybody's very articulate, right? Yeah, erase that. Yeah, but I know what you mean. Yeah, they were making him appear very grown up when he's not, right, he's not. Yeah, totally agree. Um, okay, so a little sidetrack.
Speaker 1:Jack ends up going to the art exhibit with Joey and he loves it. And not only does he love it, he has all these super in-depth, intelligent things to say about it. And it just made me happy for Joey to have like a friend there who, not that she should need validation, but almost to validate that this thing she's really interested in is very interesting and is has depth and means you're intelligent, if you like it, to kind of see it reflected in another person. And also, we don't know that much about Jack yet Not really and I felt like it was one of the first times we kind of get to know him a little better, which we kind of know what will happen in the future with that. But I just thought that everything in those scenes was just very I don't know endearing. Yeah, I thought those scenes were really fun, yeah, and in a non-threatening way which you know, like you don't. I never thought, oh, he's going to try to steal Joey. Oh, oh, like in that way it's like where are we going, right? Oh, he's going to try to steal Joey, oh, like in that way it's like where are we going Right, right, right, yeah, I see, but anyway, yeah, yeah, and a non-threatening like I'm, I'm here to steal your girl. Yes, yeah, yeah. So I have a lot of exes in here in a row, some that we've talked about. It's because it's back to back scenes.
Speaker 1:I never realized you used two different pens. Yeah, that's a lot of work. No wonder you can't breeze through these episodes. I got a little station set up. I've drawn five things at once. I swear, yeah, literally.
Speaker 1:When I was watching this one, I was cooking, folding laundry. This is my problem with intentionality. I was watching and I would pause. I had it on the counter my Care Bear notebook and my pen. I'd pause it. That's probably why I missed her outfit. Oh, had it on the counter my Care Bear notebook and my pen. I'd pause it. That's probably why I missed her outfit. Oh yeah yeah, cooking, folding laundry and something else at the same time, I don't know, probably texting someone, answering a question, scheduling something On hold with the doctor.
Speaker 1:So I watched part of this at like 4.30 in the morning oh my God, part of it here when I didn't finish that day. And then I finished the of this at like 4.30 in the morning oh my God, part of it here when I didn't finish that day. And then I finished the other part at like 4.30 in the morning. But there were like 10 minutes left and my youngest was awake oh no, and in there, and I was like, oh, I'm finishing something for work and she was like she looked because I was like looking at my computer screen and she goes, goes for the podcast, and I was like yes, and she's like cool. But then she was just sitting there asking me questions the whole time because she just woke up and her brain's like firing. So I did finish it because I'm like if I don't do it now I won't get back to it and I gotta see how it ends. But it was a reminder. I was like no wonder these are hard to get through because, because I started I watched this in three parts and you guys, the episode's like 40 minutes and the third part I'm watching at 4.30 in the morning and I still can't get through without like someone being here. But it was fine.
Speaker 1:Why was she up at 4.30? That was a very good question. She just said she woke up, wonder what I was doing. She's was doing. She's not usually up that early and she was very tired later. She went to bed early that night. I I don't know how, but I think she's growing again. She's very tall, yeah, yeah, yeah. She came out the other day, um, you know, just in like normal shorts, like kid shorts, and a t-shirt and I was like how how are you so tall? None of her pants fit, they're're all too short, crazy, yeah, she grew again, but anyway. So all my exes they need to split the difference. All of my exes are just stuff we've already talked about. Oh, okay, how? The fisherman his name's Vincent, by the way was hitting on Jen and then tells her to come alone to meet up with him.
Speaker 1:Then the scene is it in the warehouse where Pacey and Tamara are kissing. Gross Is right after that and I said kind of like you were saying that scene of them kissing is overly romantic. Yes, with the music and like the shadows of the warehouse, I know, and it's just like this whole like cinematic situation. Oh, I just licked the microphone. Talk about gross. I was trying to stick up, let's not talk about it. And then Talk about gross. I was trying to stick up.
Speaker 1:And then, oh, I hated when Joey and Dawson I don't know why I hated this so much, but I did when she's like, well, I was drawing something to feel inspired and here's what I drew. And it was his face. Yes, I was like, come on, that was the dumbest. I like I didn't even write anything down for that scene. She drew his face. She's like the only thing that inspired me was this, your face or whatever. And I was like, are you serious of all the things in the fucking world? And it wasn't a great drawing, hot take sorry. Maybe you guys thought it was, don't come for me. But, uh, judging some art, maybe it's just because dawson's so cute and I didn't feel like the it's, his derpy hair fucks up everything it does. But I was just.
Speaker 1:I was like what a real opportunity to like showcase some art, like to be like, yes, joey is talented, look what she drew. That would have been better, that would have been better. Oh, my god, do you know, it'd be so funny if we did video reenactments of stupid scenes. Oh, we might have to start doing that, like picking a scene. We don't have time, but it would be so funny, that would be great. Yes, maybe every week, just pick a scene. Do you see what I drew? Only one thing inspires me. It's you, dawson, and it's a stick figure. I'm sorry, I don't know. Okay, that would be hysterical One day in real time, which is not our one, but that would be hysterical One day we have time, which is another one. Okay, so all that Gross, what else do you have?
Speaker 1:I'm almost to the end of mine. I only have one thing left, and it was the quote that when Pacey says do you miss teaching, meaning sleeping with him, and she says, yes, very much, I can't. I wrote gross. That is like accepted pedophilia Again, that and she says, yes, very much, I can't. I wrote gross. That is like accepted pedophilia Again, that they make look like a romantic relationship. Yeah, because then he was like all happy and walked away. Yeah, he's like, oh, you miss me and I'm like, oh, yeah, we're talking in code. She misses sexually assaulting and molesting and raping this young kid. Yeah, and now he feels good about himself. Yeah, yeah, I will always, always hate that storyline.
Speaker 1:The good news is I don't think she comes back after this. Okay, I don't think she comes back. So why did, kind of to your point, why did she come back at all? That's what I'm saying. Like, why Is it closure? Like, why is it closure? Who, who knows? Who knows, who knows? I don't know. They were just I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So I have two quotes, okay, but now that I'm looking at them and this must have been in the 10 minutes tegan was talking to me I don't know what they refer to. Maybe you'll know. Okay, let's see, they're both hearts. So these are quotes I liked. The first one is when dumb people play dumb, it's really disconcerting. No idea who said that and why. Okay, I'm going to find out. Did Jean say that? I know, maybe I have no idea, no idea, okay. And then the last one you bring out the sadist in me. That's what I wrote down, but it wouldn't have been Tamara and Pacey, because it wouldn't have been a heart. Is it Joey talking to Dawson? Maybe I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you you loved it, I loved it. You loved it so so much. I wrote them word for word, with quotation marks. That's hilarious. I gotta start putting who it is. I usually do, but that is so funny. I'll just go to the last 10 minutes, rewatch it and, guys, I'll circle back and tell you who said this line and why. Oh my god, but I loved of them. Anyway, you're a sadist. What you bring out, the sadist in me. I don't remember that. I don't know either. I must have been folding a shirt. I could probably just Google them, like after this, and it'll tell me, like episode four or season two, episode four, pacey said it when blah, blah, blah, because there's so much fandom out there. Yeah, for real, which, anyway, all right. Well, thanks for listening, guys, and we'll see you on our next Dawson's Creek episode or regular episode, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye.
