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Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Xennial co-hosts Dani and Katie talk about their analog childhoods, digital adulthoods and everything in between.
Generation In-Between: A Xennial Podcast
Stephen King Scaries: Nostalgia with a Superfan
Do you wish you had telekinetic powers to humiliate the bullies in your life?
Do you shy away from hot guys who own red cars because you fear retaliation?
If shower drains remind you of clowns, you might be a Xennial Stephen King fan. And we are too.
This episode, we welcome our friend Hunt Fitch (a millennial) to talk with us about his childhood growing up reading Stephen King books and watching the corresponding movies or mini-series. And find out which one scares Hunt the most!
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Did you ever hope to find an ancient burial ground at the top of a hill so you could try to resurrect your family's cat, just minus the evil behaviors that come with it being undead?
Katie Parsons:Did you ever wish you could take revenge on all the high school bullies at prom with telekinetic powers, just minus the pig's blood dumped on your head first?
Dani Combs:If you have ever had a fear of clowns, sewers, old hotels, rabid dogs and possessed cars, you might be a ennial and a Stephen King fan. I don't know why I've been singing every time Girl. Notice that the past two episodes like why do I do that? Fan Fan, okay, all right, hi everyone. I'm Dani
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Dani Combs:I'm Katie and you're listening to Generation In Between, a Zennial podcast where we revisit, remember and sometimes relearn all kinds of things from our 80s childhoods and 90s teen young adulthoods.
Katie Parsons:Today we are continuing with spooky season and our spooky episodes. Y'all may have heard our first one, when we did our scary stories to tell in the dark episode, and I honestly thought Labyrinth was a little scary, so I'm going to put that in there. I know everyone's throwing things at their device right now, but anyway, spooky season continues. If you haven't listened to those episodes yet head on back in our feed and check them out. Yes to those episodes. Yet head on back in our feed and check them out.
Katie Parsons:Yes, and you know, we cannot talk about scary things in the 80s and 90s without talking about the master horror storyteller himself, mr Stephen King. Right, and so today, everyone, we have another special guest with us, because we can't be experts on everything we try. We have a self-professed super fan himself and our friend Hunt Fitch. Let's go, welcome Hunt. Yes, hunt. Hunt Fitch is not only a horror fanatic which he is, he's a local engineer, local to the Melbourne area, a jack of all trades at theniger Center and a community volunteer with local organizations such as the American Cancer Society and Space Coast Pride Fest. So welcome Hunt, say hello.
Katie Parsons:Hello, it's so good to be here.
Dani Combs:Yes, we're so happy We've already had a very exciting morning with Hunt here before we hit record.
Dani Combs:Listen, thank God Hunt was or katie, and I would have just been like we would have gone home yeah, it's really dumb and not to like sit in gender stereotypes because we don't like to do that on generation in between. But I am terrified of giant bugs. I don't even care. The biggest fear of my life is giant cockroaches or palmetto bugs, because I've had like um pest control. People tell me twice they are not the same thing. But whatever, they're both big and gross and crunchy and it is my biggest fear in life and one of them almost killed me this morning.
Hunt Fitch:Okay.
Dani Combs:Yeah. So we were in the kitchen at our studio where we record, and Hunt had just got here and we're all just kind of like getting ready, getting our coffee, all the things, and Dani went to get her coffee mug out of the cupboard and there was a I think it was a cockroach or a palmetto bug.
Katie Parsons:It was a palmetto bug. It flew.
Dani Combs:Did it fly?
Katie Parsons:It flew.
Hunt Fitch:Oh, see everyone.
Dani Combs:They're evil demons from hell. I hate them.
Katie Parsons:When I released it, it flew away. It was all happy.
Dani Combs:Hunt is a no-kill philosophy so he actually took a few minutes and got the bug into his paper towel and released him into the wild. The funny thing was I scream, run out of the room and I stay out of the room and I hear Katie and Hunt just calmly talking about how to remove the thing. They're like oh, did you hide behind the mugs? Oh, come here, you little bug, la la la. And I'm like squash the MF-er, like what are you guys doing? And Hunt's like I don't kill bugs. I'm like I don't either, unless they come in my space. If you're in my house, you did.
Katie Parsons:Look, I'm a horror fanatic horror fanatic. I see enough killing. I don't want to do it myself, that's fair.
Dani Combs:I did in real life and I I am not like. I don't like real life violence, except for gross bugs. I hate them. It's my biggest fear, and here's why I'm going to tell you the short story and then we're going to get into life. But this could be a Stephen King movie, actually once your story.
Dani Combs:So I grew up in Louisiana, we're in Florida now. Bug situation is the same. I mean, it's hot, it's humid, it's gross, like it's. It's a breeding ground for for giant bugs, and bugs are a way of life. You can't not have bugs when you live in a place like this.
Dani Combs:So I was a small child and we had, for some reason, our house had a fireplace. Okay, it makes no sense, like I can think of twice ever in 18 years that we ever used that thing. But it was a house built in like the sixties probably, and the way the fireplace worked was it had like the little thing on the back where you could sweep it out, like in the backyard. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, so you could clean the ashes out without doing it in your house, all right, so we would get bats stuck in there. Oh my God, oh, this is. This story is just so gross and it is stayed with me for so long. So there was this little thingy, and all these people listening are like, oh my God, you don't know the proper words to anything. Hello, have we met? No, I don't. So there's this little latch that you could close the the chimney top there.
Dani Combs:That's what it's called. That's why we have him here tonight, because he knows proper things because I just had to close mine oh, you did. You have a fireplace. I have a fireplace in my house. Yeah, why?
Katie Parsons:because it was a thing I don't know. I've really used it once okay in the three years that I've been in my home, do you?
Dani Combs:have a little thing in the back to sweep this I do not, though, okay, so okay, well, be glad when I tell you the story. You're're going to be so excited. So we used to get bats and even though, like, we would forget to shut the thing or there was like a hole in it or like whatever. So sometimes we would like hear the bats and when, like the bug person would come, they'd fumigate in there and then, like the bats would like die. I know, sorry, hon, so it was the eighties.
Hunt Fitch:I know.
Dani Combs:So, okay, so we're hearing this like, and you can hear them sometimes like scratching. So my mom was like, okay, there's my bat. So she goes in the backyard not to kill it but to open the back thing so it can leave y'all. She opened the back door of the chimney. I swear to you, it was like moses parting the red sea, but it was cockroaches and they just swarmed out of the like I'm talking a colony of giant ass palmetto, whatever, sorry, palmetto bugs just swarm. And we're my sister and I were inside watching and we were like, and my mom was just like, what do you do y'all? Yes, I, that is burn. Now my mom's probably gonna be or my sister's gonna be. Like danny, there was like five, swear to you, in my memory all I remember is just swarms of cockroaches, yeah, palmetto bugs, like a steven king. See, honestly, so now you know, like, that is why I have a fear.
Dani Combs:Then also, one time, when I was in college, I was at a party and I had to go to the bathroom and I had been drinking a few beers. And you know, once you start going to the bathroom, like peeing, like you can't stop. Once you break that seal, it's coming. There was a giant bug as big as the one we saw today coming up the wall and I was like, oh my god, I have to finish. And it flew to my face and landed on my shoulder while I didn't matter. And you can't stop going to the bathroom like, and so I'm literally screaming at the top of my lungs while I'm urinating.
Katie Parsons:But like did it help you like finish peeing because, like it, scared the piss out of you.
Dani Combs:You didn't need help finish peeing, hun. I had drank like six beers. It help you like finish peeing Because, like it scared the piss out of you. You didn't need help finish peeing, hun. I had drank like six beers or something stupid. It was free-flying, it was awful. I came out crying. Everyone's like what happened in there. They're like oh, it's just Dani again.
Hunt Fitch:Hello, she's crying about now, oh my God. Anyway, okay, so that was.
Katie Parsons:So of those things could be stephen king movies so it's funny you mentioned fireplaces actually, so I was re-watching some of my favorite stephen king movies in preparation for this can't wait and I have a fireplace in my house, like we've established, and it's a gas one, so it has a top, it has a little filter thing to keep the rain and things from coming in. Well, for some reason, vultures and hawks like to keep attacking it.
Katie Parsons:I have no idea why I'll just hop of your chimney yeah, I'll just hear like random, like scratching and stuff like that, like they're pecking at it. Well, it's like almost midnight, like I'm watching a movie by yourself. Yes, oh, my god of course, uh, and we'll get into my favorite movie later okay, we're watching my favorite movie and it's like a really intense scene and then all of a sudden, something hacks at the top of my chimney and it echoes down and I don't get scared of movies. I jumped off my couch.
Dani Combs:Oh my god, did you hit your pants.
Katie Parsons:No, but You're not going to lay shut no.
Dani Combs:We'll get into that too.
Katie Parsons:But no, I like jumped off my couch and I'm just like this stupid freaking fireplace Like.
Hunt Fitch:I hate this.
Dani Combs:And that's when I went to go close my flume, because I was like I'm done with this, I don't want to hear noises no more. Oh, my god, oh, that would scare me. Fireplaces today, okay, so have any good fireplace stories that was my contribution. You're welcome, let's keep going, okay, all right. Well hi, I just you just said. We just said you weren't middle-aged yet, right? You're welcome, let's keep going, okay, all right. Well hi, you just said. We just said you weren't middle-aged yet, right? So you're not a Zennial, correct?
Katie Parsons:I am not. You're a Millennial, I'm a Millennial.
Dani Combs:Okay, we love our Millennials. That's okay. We're on the cusp of you guys.
Katie Parsons:But I was raised by Gen Z parents.
Dani Combs:Yeah, and.
Katie Parsons:I have zennial siblings. Yeah, so because I was the youngest, so you were raised by gen x parents. Then, yeah, yeah, gen x. Yeah, you said gen z and I was like wait a second. Yeah, I don't know the alphabet I studied math we.
Dani Combs:We thought you were kind of coming with all the proper things today, hunt yeah I studied numbers for a reason okay okay we got this. Words are hard so you have zennial siblings. I have zennial, so got it. Yeah, um, and so I'm the young, I'm number five out of six kids. Okay, okay, we got this. Words are hard. So you have Xeniel siblings. Though, I have Xeniel siblings, got it.
Katie Parsons:Yeah. And so I'm the young, I'm number five out of six kids. Okay, so I'm second youngest, so the older siblings had control over everything.
Dani Combs:Oh, so you absorb.
Katie Parsons:So I didn't get to watch millennial things, I got Xeniel things.
Dani Combs:Yeah, we're so glad. That's why we love you. And Hunt came in with his Generation Between sticker on his water bottle. It's so great. He does listen to our podcast everyone. And yes, we are narcissists and like to have our fans. We do. We're like you're a fan, get over here. What can you talk about my little pony? Let's go. And also, hunt did like we were talking. Hunt and I bartended together at Henniger and he was like you should have me on the show. I was like, okay, it's happening. And I knew he was a big horror fan, so this is perfect.
Hunt Fitch:So great.
Dani Combs:Okay, wait. So before we know, he is a super fan. Katie, are you a Stephen King fan? So I know Stephen King to the extent of what most people culturally know about Stephen King. I know some of the big name books and movies, but I don't think I've ever read one of his books and I've maybe seen parts of movies. But then you guys reminded me I have seen pet cemetery. Yeah, I saw that one when I was like high school with like a boyfriend because we were gonna watch a scary movie, but like, um, I haven't seen the new one.
Dani Combs:Um, I know, I know he's like super smart, I know he's written stuff that's not horror too. Like I know he's, you know, a cultural icon and I can agree, but I don't, I've never been really immersed in it. Okay, I mean, I grew up with stephen king because my mom was a huge horror fan and she was a huge reader. So, like stephen, like I can remember sitting on her bed like pulling off because the cover art in the eighties for his books was so cool. Okay, so I remember the cover of Carrie, I remember the cover of Christine, and again it was the eighties, so we all watched and read shit that we probably should have way too early and that's why we have so much trauma. We talked about that with jamila last last episode and, um, I did, I read, I read some of his books and his books are long af like. They're long books.
Dani Combs:So when you're so, detailed that's what I was telling her.
Katie Parsons:I said it takes him 10 minutes to describe a toenail like oh yeah, no, it's the detail you get out like you, like you don't have to have an imagination no just picture what's going on in his books, correct? He gives you every gruesome detail, every little thing. You're going to read the first chapter of a book and think you're sitting in that house, yeah, wow.
Dani Combs:And that's why he's so good at horror, because the pictures he paints in your head are amazing. So I was a Stephen King fan and, like we talked about this before, my relationship with scary stuff has like ebbs and flows through the years. Like, I loved horror when I was a kid Well, I was a scaredy cat as a kid. Then I liked it when I was a little older. I loved it when Troy and I started dating 6,100 years ago and he was not a big horror fan and I loved it, loved it. But then when I started to have to be alone all the time being married to somebody who was active duty I quit for a long time. Then I had kids and like that shifts your whole brain and I stopped.
Dani Combs:But now I'm back. Yeah, I'm back and I like it again. Well, some of it, and we'll talk about that. But okay, so you're kind of no, I'm yes, but not as. But then Hunt is on the other end super, yes, he's like a super horror. And he, he doesn't just know about Stephen King guys, he knows a whole lot about horror stuff.
Katie Parsons:So well, that's the thing about Stephen King, is it's like there's like your, like your traditional, like 80s, 90s, like slasher horror. And then there's like the Stephen King, where you get into more of like the psychological stuff and like it's just, it's a different type of horror like yeah, you have the dude in a mask running around the woods slashing campers, but you're not gonna get something like that in some of his more like original stuff.
Dani Combs:You get the stuff where you're just like oh, this is deep, this is weird yeah, it's super weird, like if I could go into somebody's brain for just one day and see what's happening, his would be I would, and then I'd like probably even be catatonic because I don't know like you have to be hella smart to be that creative. Like, well, that was gonna be my one of my questions. I don't know if you all know or if we're gonna get into this, but like, like, what's his deal? Did he have trauma? Is?
Katie Parsons:he mentally ill, is he like so your mental health issues, you know so stephen king was born in the late 40s. Um his dad ran off while he was pretty young, leaving his mom with him and his brother um. They relied really heavily on family and friends. As they and they were constantly moving around, they eventually ended up settling in maine, which is why a lot of the stuff is based in maine okay, I did know that just from what I've absorbed, he was like a very young age.
Katie Parsons:He was really interested in reading and writing and stuff like that. In fact, he went to a local book cart and I think it's a book truck or something, anyways. Um, he asked is like, give me a book that really describes how kids are, because he was so sick of like the kiddie books that just didn't really work. The librarian gave me lord of the flies. Oh my god. If you want to know kids, here's kids.
Dani Combs:But facts yeah, yeah, that's a good librarian right there that like.
Katie Parsons:I think that kind of like shapes a lot of who he is. Yeah, um went to, I think, the University of Maine. Met his wife graduated he actually got a degree in English and a certificate in teaching. Yeah, was not able to find a job right away because obviously you graduate in May. School starts in.
Dani Combs:September.
Katie Parsons:So like throughout the summer and stuff, he was like writing short stories and selling them to the cavalier magazine, um, and actually a lot of his stuff has like kind of resurfaced and like he's republished a lot of his short stories and like books and stuff like that. So if you ever read any short stories, they're fantastic yeah, children of the corn was a short story. Yeah, not a book and the thing is a lot of like adaptations have come from his short stories or even just been inspired by his short stories um and then.
Katie Parsons:So he's teaching at this high school and he's really getting to know teenagers, and that's where we get carrie yeah that was his first, it's his first one, that was his first published work like novel, novel, novel yeah and then so that was published in
Katie Parsons:I have it down somewhere 74 yeah, and then, less than two years later, the movie comes out like it swept the nation, like everyone loved this book and they made it a movie immediately and that kind of like made his rise to fame. And then, just like through the 80s and 90s, there's book after book after book, movie after movie after movie.
Dani Combs:You know, when I was like looking up some things, I was like actually shocked at how quickly he was writing, because his books are not short, like Hunt was saying.
Katie Parsons:No.
Dani Combs:They're detailed and they are long books and it was just like year after year, sometimes a couple books a year. Like Katie, you're a writer. Yeah so you know like that is. That's why and not to mention like you don't just write it and pass it off. There's edits, yeah, there's rewriting, right, there's all sorts of stuff that goes into that. Plus, he had a family. I mean, he had a family too. Yeah, he does have some demons. We'll get into that, and I'm sure Hannah will bring some stuff up.
Katie Parsons:He was an addict, got some demons. One of his books.
Dani Combs:He wrote on cocaine.
Katie Parsons:Which is one of my favorites.
Dani Combs:Is it? It actually is. Oh, I can't wait.
Katie Parsons:That is my favorite. Maybe I'll read that one. We'll get there.
Dani Combs:We'll get there, we'll get. Yeah, okay, don't tell me yet. Okay, so, while we're here, so now that we're like talking about Stephen King, you know a little bit of a background. We would like to know, as a super fan, we want to know if you can remember your first memory of the first time you experienced anything Stephen King, whether that's a book, movie, miniseries, because that's something we'll talk about too.
Katie Parsons:So tell us your first memory so my first memory was actually stephen king's.
Dani Combs:It which is my favorite is it it is.
Katie Parsons:I loved it. It traumatized my sister's, still terrified of clowns to this day same same, same same but I love that movie. It was so weird. I loved the oddball group of kids because I kind of identified with it a little bit with that.
Hunt Fitch:Where I'm just like the losers.
Katie Parsons:I'm just like yep, that's me and I just really loved it. And then my mom's like if you love it so much, I think we have it on the shelf and it's a thick book.
Dani Combs:Oh yeah, it's big, I read it.
Katie Parsons:And that was the first book that I read and I just fell in love with his writing style and just kind of kept going from there. I actually used to get in trouble a lot in school because whenever we'd have reading assignments I'd read the stupid little book they wanted me to read and then I'd just keep going back to what I was reading. And whenever we'd have reading in class it was like you're not reading the right book. I'm like oh, I already finished that one.
Dani Combs:This one's better uh-huh, cooper does that.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, I was just getting in trouble because my teachers are like well, you're supposed to be bringing that one, I'm like, but I already did well, it's so hard when you have kids who are advanced readers, like I've gone through this.
Dani Combs:I went through this as a kid. Both of my kids have gone through it because you're already done with it and you're bored, yeah like that shit is not keeping you interested and that is a way we lose readers like time, because you make kids read what you think is appropriate when and you weren't interested in it yeah like you liked the scary shit, and you and you wanted grown-up words yeah, romeo and juliet's cute and all that like, is it though?
Katie Parsons:no, it's. It's probably y'all want to talk about problematic stories.
Dani Combs:I mean, I just all jigger problematic romeo and juliet, not the movie the shakespeare version. Y'all want to talk about problematic stories I know for real I mean I Shakespeare was on something, nostalgia for problematic Romeo and Juliet, not the movie. The Shakespeare version that was written. That's what we're going to talk about.
Katie Parsons:We want to talk about problematic children.
Dani Combs:Oh, for real. So much Okay. So what was it? Do you think that, or what is it still that makes you such like a Stephen King fan? I think the 80s and 90s, stephen King. Let me let me even narrow it down more.
Katie Parsons:I think the biggest thing is just like especially in the books, like the level of detail that he goes into in the books and then the way he gets involved in the adaptations.
Dani Combs:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:Because, especially in the 80s and 90s, he was really heavily involved in like the screenplays and stuff like that that was adapted from his books. Involved in like the screenplays and stuff like that that was adapted from his books and just the way that they really hold true to his books. Like you've seen a lot of books become movies and you've seen them like kind of deviate a little bit um or like just like cut out entire chapters. But with stephen king stuff like you get the big, important meaty pieces without like losing the detail. And especially too, because like there's so much detail in his books that when they adapt it like you don't have to go too far off to write a script yeah um it's a good point with all the detail too like all the literally it's like stage directions yeah, it's, it's built into
Katie Parsons:it yeah um, and then just like just the way that these stories like really wrap you in gets you interested. You actually care a little bit about the characters, like you're invested in them, yeah, pretty early on. Or like you're really intrigued to know what is going on here, like why is this woman so obsessed with this author? Like what is this man doing in prison? Yes what did this girl do to deserve this treatment like? Why is this car in love with?
Dani Combs:yeah, why though you know, 80s face right now?
Katie Parsons:what she's like. What are they talking about?
Dani Combs:why is he in prison? Yep, yep. Why is she obsessed with an author? Okay. Why is this car possessed?
Katie Parsons:or whatever. That's Christine.
Dani Combs:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:We'll get there and then also too, like I mean getting into ones like the Shining and stuff like that.
Dani Combs:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:Like, just like you're so enthralled by, like what is going on, like what is this? What is happening at this hotel? Like is this author just losing his mind, like what is this kid doing with these two little girls? Are they real?
Dani Combs:I know it's happening I know, have you seen the shining uh-uh?
Katie Parsons:oh girl.
Dani Combs:Is that the one with jack nicholson, or nicholson? Yeah, jack nicholson, I can see like the face, the chopping of the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't think I'm sure I've seen like that's what I mean. Red rum it's so ingrained in society.
Hunt Fitch:In pop culture, yeah.
Dani Combs:That, like I was probably watching the Oscars or something and they did like a montage and I've seen parts of it. Or I remember when it was because it was a miniseries yes, I remember that it was a new series. I remember that, yeah, because we didn't watch at our house but I would babysit my neighbors and they would like record it and I just remember the mom was a nurse, so she would be getting ready for work and the kids were like baby babies so they sometimes would be asleep, like when I'd show up and she'd be finishing going out the door and would have it on. And I just remember that and she would record it from like whatever the series was, and obviously, like just being a human living in America, I know what it's about, Right right, like, I know the characters and stuff, but I've never like watched it.
Dani Combs:I am like your sibling who is deathly afraid of clowns still to this day. In fact, my kids have only been to the circus one time ever. My kids have only been to the circus one time ever and it was because I got peer pressured into it when we were living in hold. On, let me do military family math in my head. Okay, we were living in Missouri the first time and we had a nice core group of friends that lived in this little cul-de-sac and we all had kids the same age.
Dani Combs:And they're like come on, we're all going to go see what's the, what's the dang circus, uh, uh, like ringling brothers, barnum and bailey. So they were coming yes, they were coming to whatever town was close by. And they're like we're gonna take the kids. Just come on, we'll sit really up high because they do it in like a stadium right. And they're like we'll sit really up high, so you're far away. I was like fine, okay, so we go. Oh no, you know, this shit's about to take its turn. So we're sitting up high, we have nosebleed seats and it doesn't matter because it's cool, like. And before the show starts, they have like people doing tricks, they're warming, warming up, they're going along the crowd and my friend Shauna looks down and she starts laughing and she's like so there's clowns going through the audience and I was like I'm so glad we're not sitting down there and all of a fucking sudden they were there in the aisles.
Katie Parsons:They come down from behind you.
Hunt Fitch:Oh my.
Dani Combs:God, that's worse. My body literally was like and like. Of course they're all laughing at me, but guys like I literally have a fear on the inside of my body, Like I was sweating and I was like I have to go, so I like go out the other way of the road, oh, that's really scary.
Dani Combs:My kids don't know, and actually I don't know if Cooper was born yet. I can't remember if this was pre-Cooper or not. And I was like, and Troy was like, like my friends are like, I was like whatever Peace out, you fools. Like I don't, play with clowns and then world. They're creepy and gross. I'm scared, sorry. It's there Now I'm like panicked because we're going to have to talk about it a lot, because Hunt loves that book.
Katie Parsons:So like Soon the episode on clowns I know.
Dani Combs:Between the cockroach in real life I know Palmetto bug Excuse me Because it flew oh, and then revisiting this clown situation and then the works of stephen king you're gonna need to like. Are you gonna sleep tonight? I don't know. I I told y'all like I needed to have an irish coffee instead of this coffee coffee.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, no, I'll be all right, okay, we're bartending.
Dani Combs:We're bartending tonight, you'll be okay it'll be fine, you'll be all right. All right. So we know that was one, one of your favorite, stephen king. What's another one?
Katie Parsons:um, see, this is where I'm kind of torn, because my second favorite one is either pet cemetery or the shining. I really did like the shiny. I thought it was just very it was. It was, again, one of the first ones that I saw and it was just. It was different than like other horror films that I'd seen at the time and it was just. It was more like psychological, like you're watching this man descend into madness. I'm going to go with Shining. Okay, shining.
Dani Combs:Well, I'm going to go ahead because we have a trivia game to play with Hunt later. Yay, and I had some fun facts. So interesting thing about a lot of Stephen King books is that he bases a lot of his stuff on real life places or events in his own life.
Dani Combs:So he actually the hotel the Overlook Hotel and the Shining is based on a real hotel in Colorado that he stayed at that is haunted and he was battling alcoholism. He was like in the throes of alcoholism the time he was staying there. So a lot of what he included and a lot of his horror has deeper meaning behind. Just like you said, his descent into madness was supposed to be like kind of a metaphor for his alcoholism and the stuff that was going on and on the inside. The stuff that was going on and on the inside and, um, it's very, I think. I think that's probably why my mom really liked him is because it was such a creative use of your trauma or your horrible shit in your life to kind of turn it into this story.
Dani Combs:Um, you know. So, anyway, that was my little piece of trivia with the shining so that was the stanley hotel the stanley hotel um, and that was.
Katie Parsons:It was actually an interesting point in his life because carrie had become very popular. At this point his mother passes away and like. So he's dealing with like his success, but then also the loss of his mother. And you remember his mother was a big part of his life because it was his brother and his mom Because, after his dad left, Right, so like the loss of his mom, like he descended into this alcoholism.
Katie Parsons:Left Maine, went out to Colorado I think it was Boulder or something like that. Goes out to Colorado, stays in this haunted hotel. Struggling aggressively with alcoholism and but still continuing to write right. Yeah, like it didn't like. The shining came out, I think, a couple years after he returned back to maine, but like throughout this time he was writing other things. Um, I think at the time he had just finished. Uh, salem, salem's lot.
Dani Combs:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:Which I think there's like a new version of that coming out soon.
Dani Combs:I just saw that on Insta. I saw him and like he had a little figurine of um the lead vampire guy and he, he was standing in the house where they were filming and it's like really funny.
Katie Parsons:Anyway, sorry that was dumb. Yeah, you know, for something that's like so popular in the late 70s, early 80s and through the 90s, it's still relevant today. They're still coming out with the remakes of these. Pet Sematary's been there three times.
Dani Combs:How do you feel about that though?
Katie Parsons:I do feel there's no original ideas left. Very good See. We say that a lot there are no original ideas left, unless you're Stephen King, and then he's gonna come out with some weird thing about vampires and witches. Yeah, um, yeah. But I think that as we make these modern adaptations, obviously we have new advances in technology, we have new ways of making films, telling stories, but at times I feel like sometimes they lose the story.
Katie Parsons:It does yeah, um, I will say like again, it's one of my favorites. The miniseries was fantastic because they took what was a very thick book and was able to break it up into something because it's once you actually watch the whole miniseries it's long wait, which miniseries are we talking about?
Dani Combs:it it's not how long is. How long is the new one? Because the first one is only two.
Katie Parsons:The new one's only two movies. The original miniseries was longer.
Dani Combs:No, it's two. I looked it up Now, they were long.
Katie Parsons:They were long.
Dani Combs:They were like an hour and a half each.
Katie Parsons:Yeah.
Dani Combs:Oh, that is long.
Katie Parsons:But it was on two nights. Yeah, okay, so the new one it's two movies, but they okay.
Dani Combs:They kind of lose a little bit of the detail on that because I have not watched any of the new stuff, because I am like no, it does. I just I wish they wouldn't have done it, because I feel like the new effects I need the stuff kind of ruins it, like I feel like just let it be. It's just like if they made remade like rocky horror. I would not like that. Like just let it be. It's just like if they made remade like Rocky Horror. I would not like that. Like just let it be Rocky Horror. Like just let Pet Sematary be, pet Sematary Let. Yeah, I was just curious as a fan what you thought. So you're kind of like both sides.
Katie Parsons:I think it depends because, like, there have been some where like actually no, there are some remakes where like actually no, it's not. There are some remakes, non-seeking ones, that I have liked, but then there have been ones where I'm just like, no, the original is like was the quality better? No, well, these are like 80s films, but I think the story was told better than what we're getting with certain remakes today. And I'm not saying that it was a bad movie. Like I thought it was very well done. So you liked it? Okay, it was. It was good.
Dani Combs:Okay, um, I just saying that it was a bad movie like I thought it was very well done, so you liked it.
Katie Parsons:Okay, it was it was good, okay, um, I just think that it didn't. It didn't tell the whole story that the mini, the original miniseries, had, um, and obviously it's also one of those books like you have to edit a lot out uh, yeah, there's a really bad controversial scene that they did not put in the new one, they changed it in the new one.
Dani Combs:I read now I mean I don't, they did not put in the new one, they changed it in the new one. I mean I don't know, but it's in the old one.
Hunt Fitch:Yeah, movie, I mean miniseries, I mean we'll just tell you not to spoil it.
Dani Combs:I mean because, like at this point, hello.
Hunt Fitch:If you haven't watched it, right, everybody just know I mean sorry.
Dani Combs:This story is like super so in the group of kids that we're talking about. They grow up together. They go through this trauma with this clown. Then they all come back, Okay.
Dani Combs:They all come back and then they have to fight him and stuff. I mean there's a lot more there. This is just bare bones. Fill in. Where I miss Hunt, there's only one girl in the group, so they go down to the sewer because this is where Pennywise lives. That's the name of the clown and the. The culminating scene is the whole like statement is there's like this gap between like being a kid and being an adult, and blah, blah, blah. But she ends up like having sex with all of them to break to like.
Katie Parsons:The purpose was so like it feeds on, like their fears yes and in order for them to like face their fears and come together as a group. They like bond their friendship and yeah that's how they, that's how they bond their friendship and I'm like seriously no, they're like 13 yeah, these are. These are 12 and 13 year olds and I'm like this is and so that was in the original book okay now, I don't remember how that translated into the miniseries.
Dani Combs:I don't know because it was on tv and I don't know so the miniseries did cut it out okay, they did and then the new version. They end up doing like she like, holds their face or something and, like I, I read about it they do um the thing.
Katie Parsons:Where they like cut their hand like the Blood Brothers.
Dani Combs:Oh, I was just about to say that, Isn't that? I mean, I know Stephen King's trying to not be cliche, but like well, he was on quite a few things when he wrote yeah, and he also has made statements about it, saying like I mean, he hasn't really been like regretful, but he was kind of like well, times are different now he, and he has said like the reason he wrote it the way he did was to show, like this progression from being a kid to being but I'm like they're like 13, like what?
Katie Parsons:yeah, well, I mean that's and only one girl. He was trying to kind of like put the like these kids how to like grow up fast and really mature, because they dealt with this like incredible trauma.
Dani Combs:They had like lots of trauma stuff like in their lives. Yeah, lots of yeah.
Katie Parsons:But I was like that's one way to do it.
Dani Combs:So, like we can talk about nostalgic or problematic with that mess because that is I was like that's going to have to come up, because you can't talk about it without that being there, because it has been such a controversial point, even when it was originally written. Sure, so yeah Yike.
Katie Parsons:I mean again, it's one of those ones where, like film adaptations of books, like they cut things out.
Dani Combs:sometimes it's good that you cut things out because no one wants to see that, nobody wants to read about it. Yeah, nobody wants to see about it. Yeah, like reading about it it was like, oh, it's a choice let alone trying to like actually watch it yeah, um but it would get people talking yeah although there's a lot of other things in the book that I guess get people there's there's and there's so many, there's so much in the book.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, there's so much that I'm just like but are there? But are there cockroaches in that book? No well, I mean, there's the that I'm just like but are there cockroaches in that?
Dani Combs:book. No Well, I mean there's the sewer, so probably. But I don't remember anything crazy happening with cockroaches, but clowns and the scariest part in that miniseries, because Tim Curry plays a clown.
Katie Parsons:He did such a good job with that clown Tim Curry again.
Dani Combs:I know he's all over our podcast right now, Tim Curry, I know, I know anyway he. There's a scene and you'll know what I'm talking about where he opens his mouth and it just keeps opening and opening. I have had nightmares about that.
Katie Parsons:That is like a lot of people who fear clowns like that. Right there is what creates that fear correct it's this clown coming up through the shower drain yes, shower fucking drain, you can't even get clean.
Katie Parsons:Oh yeah, spoiler alert, there's this scene where oh, it's so bad one of the kids is in the shower, he's washing up and this is they'd already experienced the clown at this point and he hears a voice coming from the drain. He like gets close and he's like listening to it and it's Pennywise. And then he like materializes through the drain. Oh, and he's like standing there in the shower with the kid In the shower, yeah, Well, that's terrifying. Yeah.
Dani Combs:See, that is like a deepest, darkest fear, though, and I think that's what he's good at hitting on.
Hunt Fitch:Yeah.
Dani Combs:Like I don't sit here and go. Oh, I'm scared, like my deepest, darkest fear is a clown showing up in my shower why not? But then when you see it, you're like oh yeah, that's like the most terrifying thing that could ever possibly happen, fear unlocked? Yeah, it's like thank you for introducing that. Like you said, like the mouth that won't close, like you're like.
Katie Parsons:I didn't know I needed to be afraid of that, but now I am, I can't stop seeing it so know, it's in my head forever, but the thing is it was stuff like that, like with the Tim Curry version, where it was like it kind of got lost in the new version.
Katie Parsons:Oh, it did I don't know if it was just like the difference between actors or just like the direction that they took the new movie, because it definitely was like it was their own interpretation of the movie. It wasn't a remake. It was their own interpretation of the book. It wasn't a remake, it was. They went back to the source material and made that Okay. But I just am such a fan of Tim Curry too, I know.
Dani Combs:We're going to fangirl about Tim Curry later. Okay, so that's your favorites. So what are some of your least favorite of his Either book or movie, either one?
Katie Parsons:Least favorite. So children of the corn is good, but again, it's a short story. Yeah, so if you've actually read the short story, what they do with the movie is a lot of, like, artistic freedoms and it makes a really good movie. But then if you actually read the original short story, you're like where'd you get that from?
Dani Combs:oh really see I've never read this.
Katie Parsons:I haven't read the short story, I've seen the movie there's just a couple of things, because, again, it's short story, it's like you can't make a whole thing out of it, but I think the short story sets up the premise of it and then you kind of let the writers and director kind of go from there and it's a really good movie, so like the short story, just inspired the movie then. I think so yeah.
Dani Combs:So tell Katie what Children of the Corn is about.
Katie Parsons:Oh.
Dani Combs:God, how do you encapsulate Anything? Horror with kids is creepy, creepy. I don't want to. Actually you don't want to tell her.
Katie Parsons:No, because I so it's one of my least favorites, because it's actually one of the ones that kind of creeps me out the most.
Dani Combs:Kids are creepy so they have to. Basically, they have to kill. I don't remember.
Katie Parsons:They call, they have to, basically, they have to kill, I don't remember.
Dani Combs:They call it the reap, the reaping or reaping, yeah, and they have to kill all the adults in their communities so they'll have a good harvest, basically, okay, I mean I'm I'm leaving out a lot, but it's like creepy ass possessed kids they're not kids like living in the corn, they're like kids living in the community yeah, right, yeah but they're, they're children of the corn because they they they get.
Dani Combs:I don't know if they're like possessed, I can't remember like what the I did not research enough, he was like, I don't want to tell her like it's like no he's like I hate it, I'm not even getting it, I mean it sounds like there's a short story.
Katie Parsons:It's one of the ones that like, actually like, it creeped me out yeah like it was. It's one of the few that like kind of gives me the willies.
Dani Combs:I'm like it's weird he's like, he's like scared.
Katie Parsons:Now I don't actually like I don't live anywhere near a corn field, but well, I have and you have.
Dani Combs:Oh, I grew up in indiana yeah, so and they say there's more than corn in indiana. But that's not true. You guys, I'm here to tell you. Yeah, there was a theme park when I was growing up, called indiana beach, and their theme song was Indiana Beach. First of all, which, first of all, I did grow up on Lake Michigan. There are beaches, but that was the name of it and their song was there's more than corn in Indiana.
Hunt Fitch:At Indiana.
Dani Combs:Beach. I swear, Indiana friends back me up Anyway.
Katie Parsons:So I used to travel a lot for work, and it wasn't until I started traveling for work that this fear, kind of like, materialized children just in general this, not just children. Children. Children are great. I don't like kids, I don't have kids I don't either.
Dani Combs:I like my kids and I like katie's kids and a few others. Your kids are great, other kids are why are they always sticky? I don't understand that oh, I know, I mean, I have that question as well I think every parent has that where there's like they gotta like touch their child, like why are you anyway?
Katie Parsons:um, so I used to travel a lot for work and my job took me to a lot of like very remote places, especially in like the middle of nowhere. Um, and so the whole the the story starts with this couple. They're moving somewhere for a new job or something and their trip comes like a sudden halt because they find this like dead body in the road oh, I forgot about this.
Dani Combs:Yeah, it's been a while yeah.
Katie Parsons:So they come across this like dead body in the road and they're like the hell is going on here, and then they discover this like town that's led by this like radical preacher is he malachi or is that the kid?
Dani Combs:I think that's the kid, okay um and like.
Katie Parsons:Then the kids are like trying to sacrifice them, like this couple. It's like a deity and, as someone who's been through these like tiny little towns in the midwest, I'm just like I'm the outsider, I'm the sacrifice victim.
Dani Combs:Oh yeah, yeah, correct, you had been killed. And I mean I've lived in these rural places in the midwest and listen, there's some backwoods crazy thinking, especially with religion.
Katie Parsons:So I'm just saying well, and then she was like I was. So I was in texas, middle of nowhere, like literally like the town had 300 people. I think I met all of them one night at dinner, um every single. There's one restaurant in town um I think I live there.
Dani Combs:You met danny.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, that's me surprise um, and that night I was sitting in the hotel room, of course, dinky little motel on the side of the road, nowhere oh, scary already scary already scary. Um, it got to the like when we booked travel there, like there were no hotels that came up on our travel system, oh my God. And my co-worker was like oh yeah, just call this one. I was like Call them Call.
Dani Combs:What is this 1985?
Katie Parsons:Hello, and I was like how does it even work, like that's like I'm a millennial? Pay them because, like, our corporate travel system is very rigid, oh sure what like I had to get like vp level approval to find this little rinky dinky hotel. Oh my god, really it's wild. Wow, they have like their negotiated rate.
Dani Combs:It's corporate, corporate life anyways, um I don't know what that's about, um, anyways, so I'm in this hotel. We went to dinner, met the entire town.
Katie Parsons:I'm sitting in this hotel. We went to dinner, met the entire town. I'm sitting in the hotel and I was scrolling through the five channels I get and I was like, ooh, children of the Corazon.
Dani Combs:Stop it, and I was like this one.
Katie Parsons:Halfway through the movie I'm like I'm gonna die.
Dani Combs:Why are they playing this right now? Are they trying to foreshadow my death?
Katie Parsons:That's when that fear, like fear unlocked, and it was like it's like when like play video games, like achievement unlocked.
Dani Combs:Oh, yeah, yeah, it was like fear unlocked and I was like Correct. Great, now you are scared of kids and corn in the Midwest.
Katie Parsons:I like it wasn them in like this giant field and I was like the only thing that actually comes above the ground, because everything else is rattlesnakes.
Dani Combs:That sounds scary. Wind turbines are scary, though I was about to say the same thing. Oh my god, really. Yeah, they freak me out yeah, they're scary because they're so slow and huge and monotonous, like there's this strip in Indiana, when you're driving from like Lafayette, like Purdue area, up towards Chicago, and I kid you not, it is like 20 miles on both sides of these giant wind turbines and I'm just like how fast can we get off this strip of road?
Dani Combs:They're all going to come alive and smash my car with their big old feet For real. Like they look like giant robots.
Katie Parsons:I'm a fan of the Windy Boys. That's renewable energy right there, I mean that part yes.
Hunt Fitch:But, I don't want to be, by it.
Katie Parsons:I want to not see it, I'm okay with a picture.
Dani Combs:Yeah, a picture's okay.
Katie Parsons:That's okay. We live in Florida, I know.
Dani Combs:Everything's fine. Everything's fine, everything's non-renewable energy.
Katie Parsons:Right, correct, we have solar.
Hunt Fitch:You're right, we have solar. We do have a lot of solar, you're right, and we have bugs, so we're good yeah.
Dani Combs:Bugs that have been around since the dinosaurs, see, they have evolved to the perfect form to survive. That should scare all of you. You should be terrified of them because we haven't done that Correct.
Katie Parsons:We haven't evolved to our perfect form yet.
Dani Combs:No, you're still born with wisdom teeth and appendixes. I mean, we have the three people in this room have like humans in general. Actually, I am very evolved in my dental because I was born with no wisdom teeth Right. Be amazed and don't say anything smart. Yes, katie, I see it coming. She's like oh well, that checks Okay.
Katie Parsons:Now I'm jealous because when I had my wisdom teeth I had it actually grow into my jawline and actually dislocated my jaw and I had my jaw wired to settle.
Dani Combs:But, see also, you're extremely intelligent with numbers and I am not.
Katie Parsons:So let that sit in. It's the teeth, even if you have them taken out. We just saw the mystery there. We go the mystery there, I've got all mine. No, because they, like those teeth, attack you they do.
Dani Combs:I was like it was so bizarre when I found that out like y'all would have thought I was an alien at the dentist when I was like 11 or something, because that's when they can start seeing when they can start seeing them.
Dani Combs:And they were like doing the x-ray and of course I have like horrible, like crooked teeth, like orthodontics, like love me. And they were like, oh, did you already get your wisdom teeth removed? And I was like no, and they're like, and they just like sat there and they're like you don't have any and I'm like, is that bad? They're like like actually you're really lucky and it just means that you're more evolved okay, you've evolved past wisdom teeth I guess.
Katie Parsons:So you're a higher being now once you evolve now, once you evolve without an appendix, I know yeah come back and talk to us.
Dani Combs:Yeah, at that point all right, so do we want to go ahead and jump into some trivia?
Katie Parsons:because I'm really excited, so do you have any others that you don't like, or children of the corn oh yeah, children of the Corn Again, because I used to be such a big fan of all of them. And then this one experience I was like no.
Dani Combs:Yeah, that makes sense. He didn't even want to tell me the plot.
Hunt Fitch:I know he was like no, I know, look at it.
Dani Combs:Guys, he is just shivering, Visibly uncomfortable.
Katie Parsons:Okay, let's go to trivia. I would rather end up with a car that fell in love with me than and killed people, and killed people. That's fine.
Dani Combs:Right, all right. So here is how this game goes Now. Katie has not looked at this either, but I'm not going to make you play, because I'll just follow along.
Hunt Fitch:Please don't make me play.
Dani Combs:I'm going to have her read a little bit. So this is for Hunt and then we're going to. He may have some more stuff to share to it then. But here's the trivia. So back in the 80s and 90s we loved as a tagline Okay, there were taglines on movie posters or taglines on VHS covers. There were taglines on, like movie adverts. Remember when they would have movie adverts in the newspaper? Katie, yes, and like you would look in the newspaper for movie show timings and like they'd have okay. So I found taglines for 10 stephen king movie adaptations or miniseries that came out in the 80s and 90s. Some of these were the end of the 70s but I still feel like they're like pretty fine, pretty important to our generation, so I included them anyway. Um, so we're gonna read the taglines and see if Hunt can guess the movie slash book that they're from. Then I'm going to read you the IMDb summary I'm super fancy and official here and then we'll talk about it a little bit.
Dani Combs:And then we have a little trivia question for Hunt From that book or the movie, okay, so um, and then I have some fun facts, some we've already talked about. So you ready?
Katie Parsons:Yes, let's do this, All right.
Dani Combs:Katie, do you want to read taglines, or you want me to read taglines, or what do you want to do? I will read the taglines, okay, so do you see them in the quotes?
Hunt Fitch:I see it. Do you understand my notes?
Dani Combs:I see number one.
Katie Parsons:Is that?
Dani Combs:where I start. Yes, yes. Are these in order of the year they came out.
Katie Parsons:Okay, so we're starting way back. So we're starting late 70s, okay.
Dani Combs:Here we go. Damn, I was hoping he wasn't going to ask that. So there's two. So there's two taglines. I read them both. Yeah, okay, well, here we go. Here's the first one. Very anticlimactic, I know it is. If only they knew she had the power. And also, if you've got a taste for terror.
Katie Parsons:Take her to the prom. Oh, that's definitely it's always carrie.
Dani Combs:So, like I mentioned already, the book came out in 74.
Katie Parsons:1974 movie came out in 1976 so, like dang, yeah, I think it's important to talk about how like it's not inspirational, but like impactful carrie has been for sure carrie was his first book. It was his first movie.
Dani Combs:It's a freaking musical now I know you haven't seen carrie the musical.
Katie Parsons:I haven't get your high schoolers to do it have you seen it?
Dani Combs:I've never seen it. You need to do it next, next october oh, my god it is.
Katie Parsons:I think it's like it's one. It's. I'm a theater person. I do it starting to love theater. I I discovered theater late in life I love that. So did my husband um, and I like, especially like, I like the darker ones like sweeney todd adam's family, yeah the fun stuff. The fun stuff, yeah, meet guys and murder. Um. Carrie is one of those ones that like it's like also like the heathers too, like those oh yeah teen issue ones.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, that like a lot of theaters aren't here, don't want to do. Isn't that funny? Because like they're so, they're considered so controversial still to this day. Yeah, I know like I've asked the director at the hannigan I'm like when are we doing carrie at the musical for like our summer program? And he's like absolutely not.
Dani Combs:Yeah never the answerdown like when are we doing carry the musical for like our summer program? And he's like absolutely yeah never.
Katie Parsons:The answer is like what are we doing? Heathers? He goes absolutely not I'm just like, yeah, they're heavy shows, but they're so good and the kids would love it.
Dani Combs:The kids love that stuff.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, yeah it's like spring awakening oh, yeah, that one. Yeah, yeah that is a deep show but you know what?
Dani Combs:I couldn't watch that again. I mean, I saw that live once and. I'm like that made me so emotional. I don't think I could rewatch it. I'm the same.
Katie Parsons:It's such a deep show.
Dani Combs:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:But like the kids love to portray those stories because they're so talented. They're stories that, like they're living through Correct.
Dani Combs:And it's very sophisticated. Yeah, you know, we talked about this on our last episode with Jamila too. How you know, we talked about this on our last episode with jamila too. How you know, kids don't want to be patronized with their content yeah they want to be given the the more adult, dark, heavy stuff, because they're thinking about it anyway I mean these kids probably aren't thinking about like telekinetic girls, no.
Katie Parsons:But I mean I hope that's not a problem in school today, but maybe the really evolved ones without wisdom teeth without the wisdom yeah, those are the ones I can't.
Dani Combs:I can't lie and say I didn't want to have telekinetic powers to mess some people up in my high school because, see, there you go. Some people were jerks, okay. So here's the. Here's the official summary. Just, I got the summary of the movie, okay. So fans out there, don't, don't come at me. I know there's a difference, we don't have to get into that anyways. So here it is. Carrie White, a shy, friendless teenage girl who is sheltered by her domineering religious mother unleashes her telekinetic powers after being humiliated by her classmates at her senior prom.
Hunt Fitch:Ooh.
Dani Combs:Yeah, it's so good. All right, you ready for your trivia question? Yes, what color was Carrie's prom dress? Ooh, ooh. There's an important scene with her mom too, where they talk about it.
Katie Parsons:I know and I don't remember. I'm partially colorblind.
Dani Combs:You have to remember that Way to go, dan. She does say it, she says the word, she says it out loud. Yeah, just, you can just guess.
Katie Parsons:Fine, we'll give you a few seconds. I want to say it was like a lighter, like a white color almost.
Dani Combs:It is a lighter color, we'll give you another. Since you're colorblind, we'll give you another. Guess, katie, do you need to sing the Korn song? There's more than Korn.
Katie Parsons:Was it like blue or something?
Dani Combs:It was pink.
Katie Parsons:It was pink.
Dani Combs:And here's why that's important.
Katie Parsons:That's the scene with her mom.
Dani Combs:Yeah, and she says why are you wearing a red dress? Because you know a harlot or whatever. And she's like it's not red, it's pink, and she's like it's the horse color. This is horrible.
Katie Parsons:Because that's the thing she's like. Even her mom is on her case.
Dani Combs:She doesn't really talk like an old country lady.
Katie Parsons:That's the thing. Even her mom was like judgmental of her. Like kids at school were judgmental. It was really rough.
Dani Combs:It was. That movie is actually like sad to me to watch, even though it's a horror movie is because she is punished for having these powers. And her mom thinks she tells her that she's evil and terrible.
Katie Parsons:Like she gets her period and doesn't know and she's freaking out in the shower at school like it's just, it's a lot it's a lot, it's a lot, it's good school's a little lighter, though, if you want to do it it's like, but don't be scared away uh, it's a little. It's definitely more campy, you know I love some.
Dani Combs:We love a campy, we love it still has those like dark elements to it, like those heavy moments, but like it's, it's lighter, it's stage is there pig's blood, of course, okay, yeah, a lot of um theaters do it with like confetti or something, just because lame no like doing actual blood on stage. Just a mess I don't care, you need the blood. That's the intermission scene.
Katie Parsons:It's just oh got it, it's just danny on stage mopping up. Yeah, yeah, it's like stick around for the intermission entertainment I would work for danny I would work for free to do that, just on stage in a janitor's office mopping blood okay, I need to get you a little outfit.
Dani Combs:What's going on? Okay, this is just funny, okay, so we already talked about like. That was his first published novel. Also, sissy Spacek played Carrie and she was nominated for Best Actress Awesome, which, I have to say. It's a big deal, because the horror genre in general is not recognized a lot by the Academy, as are many other things like women and people of color. But whatever Academy, if you want to give us an award, we take it for. Yeah, the award for never being in the movie.
Katie Parsons:Danny combs and katie parsons I mean, I think danny has enough awards. She's already won quite a few last year stop.
Dani Combs:No, that's true, that's true. She's on the rise. She's on the rise. Oh man, hold me back, can't, hold me back, can't hold me back.
Katie Parsons:All right, they tried to it's back row. Sorry, she's not a back row girl anymore.
Dani Combs:Don't put baby in the back row anymore. Okay, they may want to put me back.
Katie Parsons:No, you're stepping forward.
Dani Combs:I'm sorry that was your spot. I need you to fill it again, all right.
Hunt Fitch:Anyway, right, anyway, moving on. Are y'all ready?
Katie Parsons:yes I'm ready.
Dani Combs:Number two the next one. Yeah, I would ready okay, here we go.
Dani Combs:So we're moving into the eight, all right well, you have to wait and see how we'll find out. So there's two taglines, so don't guess till I've read them both. This is my spot. We're gonna be okay. Guys, here we go, ready. Stanley Kubrick's epic nightmare of horror. And this boy feels things no child should feel Sees things. No human should being Rewind. Okay, this boy feels things. No child should feel Sees things no human being should see. He has the power and there is no escape. I love that. You're like princess voice. Just, you're trying so hard to sound scary and you can't do it. I know I'm trying, you guys. Stanley Kubrick. Stanley Kubrick as the bluebirds yeah, like squirrel friends are gathering yeah it is the shining, okay.
Dani Combs:So book was 77, movie 1980.
Hunt Fitch:Okay I was born.
Dani Combs:So ha ha, great things, all right, um. So for those of you that don't know, here's the summary a family heads to an isolated hotel for the winter where a sinister presence influences the father into violence. At the same time, his psychic son sees horrifying forebodings from both the past and the future. So we already talked about some of the trivia, but here we go. Oh and shit. Han already answered this question, because I said what real life hotel was the inspiration you already told us the stanley hotel stanley hotel.
Dani Combs:It is in estes park, colorado, okay. So, yeah, this and we already talked about that the setting, the characters in this book were influenced by the alcoholism. So we're just gonna let's keep it right along all right, here we go well, we got 10, so we got to keep it rolling okay, all right, I can't wait to hear you read this one. Go, here we go. If you get on her bad side, you're toast. Will she have the power to survive? Nice, nice.
Katie Parsons:Will she have the power to survive? You better not be.
Dani Combs:Googling Hunt. I'm not he's over there on his phone like scrolling. I'm looking at my notes.
Katie Parsons:I took extensive notes.
Dani Combs:I love, I love that.
Katie Parsons:Oh, I don't know that one actually Did.
Dani Combs:We stump you.
Katie Parsons:Again, these are taglines though so it's like wild I know, can you read it again?
Dani Combs:Yeah, yes. If you get on her bad side, you're toast. Will she have the power to survive?
Katie Parsons:It's not Christine, is it?
Dani Combs:No, we'll give you another shot. I'll tell you the book came out in 79. The movie came out in 84. And a famous child actor of the time played the lead 84.
Katie Parsons:Uh-huh, that's not Children of the Corn.
Dani Combs:No, yeah, well All right, you got two guesses.
Katie Parsons:We gotta tell you now Okay, what is it?
Dani Combs:It's Firestarter.
Katie Parsons:Firestarter.
Dani Combs:Okay, so the summary of this one is a couple who participated in a potent medical experiment, gained telepathic ability and then have a child who is pyrokinetic. Oh, wow, do you know what that means? That they can just make fire happen with their brain? Yeah, wow. And so here's the trivia question. I already said some of it who was the lead child actress for this movie and how?
Katie Parsons:old was she when they?
Dani Combs:filmed oh now you're getting me Millennials would know this, I think, but millennials might not.
Katie Parsons:Wait, what was that? Is it 84? Was that Drew Barrymore?
Dani Combs:Yes, it was Drew Barrymore. How old do you think she was? Oh God she was, I don't know she was eight she was eight, I was gonna say ten yeah, eight when it was filmed, nine when it released okay unfortunately and it's like one of her like first yeah, well, et was her first
Dani Combs:et was her, so this was after et and then unfortunately she's talked about this a lot because at the wrap party for this movie, um was the first time she had alcohol. She's nine years old. She told she was like talking to some of the crew members and she said I bet I can down both of those glasses of champagne. And they were like all right, go ahead, kid. She did and she said that was kind of the start of her kind of fall into addiction. Yikes, because she was already an addict by like 10 or 11, 12, something around there. Oh yeah.
Hunt Fitch:God bless.
Dani Combs:Yeah, so I feel like that was a very important landmark movie for her for a lot of reasons. Yeah.
Katie Parsons:And Heather Locklear was in that movie Really yes, yeah, and Heather. Locklear was in that movie Really.
Dani Combs:Yes, she was the mom, I think, if I remember correctly.
Katie Parsons:So it's actually funny that you used Firestarter, because I think Firestarter was one of the ones that Stephen King wasn't involved in.
Dani Combs:Yeah, I don't remember, because there was a few. I know one's coming up in a bit. There were a few that he wasn't involved in. He actually was not involved in the miniseries of it, the original one.
Katie Parsons:Yes, he wasn't involved in the original one, but I think he was involved in the remake.
Dani Combs:That I don't know, but he said he wasn't involved in it. He gave them their blessing. Yeah, he was like yeah, go ahead. And then he said after he watched it, he was like, okay, I liked it with it, good for him so, and like I think firestarter was one of the other early ones where, like it's based on his novel from.
Katie Parsons:I think that I think the book came out in the 80s. The book came out in 79, 79, so almost um, but like he wasn't involved in that one.
Dani Combs:Yeah, I haven't. I don't remember this one like I remember watching, like we had vcr tapes and like we had hbo. So like I don't know if anybody else's parents did this, but they would like vcr tape from hbo, like the like movies. And then we'd write on the outside like oh, yeah so I know that that was one we had on a vcr tape and but I don't remember a lot about it. I remember drew barrymore, I remember fire.
Katie Parsons:I don't remember a lot a lot of his earlier works, like have a very common theme, which is like kids with like superpowers, which is kind of yeah, you're right, I like that it's like, because like, especially like the 80s, 90s, like superheroes were a big thing, but like they're almost like.
Dani Combs:They're not even like villains, they're just creepy, yeah, yeah they just have these weird abilities and it was stuff they couldn't control yeah, and that was the scary part yeah because they couldn't control it, and grown-ups were trying to control them because they couldn't control it. Yeah, yeah, okay, you ready for the next one? Yes, here we go. I have a lot to say about this next one.
Hunt Fitch:I think you're gonna get, this one I think I would get this one, just not even knowing much about it.
Dani Combs:But here we go. I have a lot to say about this next one. I think you're going to get this one. I think I would get this one, just not even knowing much about it. But here we go. From the taglines, there's two of them. His bite is worse than his bark, much, much worse, and unleash the terror. Okay, your horror voice is getting better.
Katie Parsons:Is that Silver?
Dani Combs:Bullet. I cannot believe he didn't get this One more guess. Read that first one again His bite is worse than his bark, much, much worse.
Katie Parsons:Oh is it.
Dani Combs:Cujo yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like I know he's going to get it if he does it again. Yes, cujo came out. The book was 81. The movie was 83. So, again, not too much time in between. For those that don't know, here's the summary. It's so short. Cujo, a friendly saint bernard, contracts rabies and conducts a reign of terror on a small american town. Done?
Katie Parsons:well, I'm saying like some of them are like some of the concepts are just so simple, but they work oh my god, again on another fear of mine, or actually not fear dislike.
Dani Combs:I don't like dogs and kujo. Probably this is a reason why I mean it feels.
Dani Combs:It feels real that like, yeah, an animal scary because we can't control animals anyway, let alone if they have some sort of disease oh yeah the whole scary scene of that movie that I remember so much was where she's trying to escape and her kid is having an asthma attack, like they have a severe asthma. She's trying to save her kid. They get in the car and they're stuck in the fucking car and the dog is like freaking out all over. That scene scared me to death. Yes, oh, my God, anyway, and also I don't like dogs. So there you go. I have a fun trivia question.
Hunt Fitch:Okay.
Dani Combs:This one's just. Since you're a theater person and you do like backstage stuff, you might be able to guess this Okay Ready, oh, whoops, I went the wrong way with my arrows, sorry, so here it is. What did they use to create the foam around Kuja's mouth during filming?
Katie Parsons:Oh, I used.
Dani Combs:I never would have guessed this. Actually as a bartender, you might be able to guess one of the things.
Katie Parsons:Wasn't it like something whipped? Yeah, it wasn't like whipped cream or something, was it?
Dani Combs:Not whipped cream.
Katie Parsons:No, it was like fluff or something.
Dani Combs:No, gosh, you're so close. It was egg whites and sugar. It was a meringue.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. It was a meringue. Yeah, pretty much yeah, pretty much yeah, because I think I remember reading somewhere that, like they put it on him that I kept looking yeah, probably tasted delicious, yeah actually some really funny like facts about the dogs used in this movie because obviously they use more than one, and that one I thought was funny.
Dani Combs:And then the other thing I read was it said the dogs they would often have to have their tails like gently tied down to their legs because they were having so much fun during filming.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, they kept wagging their tail and they weren't looking scary like it was, like heard of saint bernard's, by the way, on set he's so excited like highly trained like that actor dogs, which is amazing I would love to have been on me, I love you um
Katie Parsons:and, but I also I get the fear because, like my dog is very dumb and like there are times when, like I talk to him and like he's just oblivious, like I'll tell him to sit, he's just sitting there wagging his tail and I'm like no down, um. So like I get like not being able to control them, like even the good ones like oh yeah, animals, yeah um and we'll see if he ever gets rabies. I'm fucked because, like he's dumb dumb plus rabies. Yes yeah, not work not great problem.
Dani Combs:I confess, quoted today. If he ever gets rabies, I'm fucked um soundbite, soundbite.
Katie Parsons:Snippet at the beginning especially also because, like I love my dog, but like if he had rabies, like I probably wouldn't even notice oh, you notice, you notice, I don't know he's that's I just can't stop thinking about herd of saint bernards and I feel like I have a new bucket list item.
Dani Combs:Oh god, keep me far away. I do not like dogs.
Katie Parsons:There was an interview with like some people on set and like they, like the dogs are always so happy. Yeah, um, every time they put the meringue on them to like they're sitting, like licking their lips oh stop, look scary, you're trying to kill her like, yeah, you're not trying to eat sugar there's, I guess there's a lot of um, like bloopers from really, uh, because, like, because the actors again they all got like acquainted with these dogs yeah, so like the dog sitting there attacking the window.
Katie Parsons:The kitten's back's like laughing. Oh my god, that's so funny?
Dani Combs:oh, I will have. I'll have to look those up, that is the best thing about horror films is bloopers. Oh yeah.
Katie Parsons:Especially actors on set. Like you know, everything is fake. You know the person who's in that clown suit.
Dani Combs:Right.
Katie Parsons:You know, like everything and like they break constantly. Oh, yeah, Like there are more bloopers from horror films than I think comedy films.
Dani Combs:Interesting.
Katie Parsons:Now I want to go home and just google that yeah, google horror film.
Dani Combs:That's a great idea. There's some really fantastic ones from scream. They're hysterical, oh my bad. I saw something funny of like a freddy krueger like it was a still it wasn't like a blooper where he's like eating doritos or something. It's like freddy can do it from doritos. Totally fine, nothing to see here, all right. So have you seen any of these movies we mentioned? No not so far. Not so far, wow, alright, here we go, and you've probably seen all of them.
Katie Parsons:I've seen all the ones that you've mentioned.
Dani Combs:Have you read any of the books, or just the movies?
Katie Parsons:So I have read Firestarter. I haven't actually read Kuja.
Dani Combs:Okay, me either, because I don't like dogs.
Katie Parsons:Now it's on my list of things to read this winter, this winter.
Dani Combs:Sit by your little fireplace with your.
Katie Parsons:Cujo when it's 90 degrees, I guess.
Dani Combs:Wear your little Christmas jammies and read Cujo, it'll be fine.
Katie Parsons:That's it. I'm going to be cuddled up with my dog reading Cujo and be like, okay, maybe get away from me, it's going to be like that moment in the hotel in.
Dani Combs:Texas, you're going to be like you know what Sit over there actually.
Katie Parsons:I can guarantee there's more details in that book than were in the movie.
Hunt Fitch:I'm going to be like.
Dani Combs:maybe I don't like it, Maybe I need a cat, but also that's such a genius thing, though, to take such a simple idea and make it a whole terrifying book like rabies you know scary like yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay, go ahead, moving on to number five we don't have to do all 10 if we don't have time. But how can you kill something that can't possibly be alive? And once she lures you behind her wheel, you're all hers okay, now we're at christine, yeah so this one, the book came out 82, the movie came out 83, so even faster that's.
Dani Combs:I wonder just a little interjection here if, because he was kind of in such notoriety as books were being written, screenplays were being written at the same time, like Like once he got to that point.
Katie Parsons:I feel like they are, because that's happening nowadays too. Oh yeah, what's the one I just saw? Oh, the Hunger Games.
Dani Combs:Oh yeah.
Katie Parsons:They're coming out with another prequel and like the book isn't even out yet and they're advertising the movie and I'm just like.
Dani Combs:Wait, they're coming out with another one.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, oh, oh. This one covers like. This one covers like when haymitch was in the games. Yeah, but like they're at, like they already have a release date for the movie and the book doesn't come out until november and I'm just like y'all ain't giving me any time to read this snow movie, yet I read the book.
Dani Combs:But, oh my gosh, okay, I gotta get my life together, all right. So, christine, we got it. Um, here's the summary. A nerdish boy I love that nerdish Nerdish Buys a strange car with an evil mind of its own, and his nature starts to change to reflect it. So, here's your trivia question, Hunt. I hope you know this. What kind of car was used in the movie?
Katie Parsons:Oh, it was like a Plymouth Fury or something like that. Yes, it's awesome.
Dani Combs:Yeah, it was a 1958 Plymouthmouth fury. I don't know that matters.
Dani Combs:I know nothing about cars beautiful car um, so director john carpenter actually used 16 plymouth furies, uh, and it said he also had some additional plymouth of, like different models, but they were all painted red because car was red. So nice, nice, nice job. I have to admit I have not seen this movie enough to recollect anything about it, except I know it's a possessed car. But my sister-in-law, we were talking, I saw her recently. We had a family wedding and she is a Gen Xer, she's older than me and we were talking about Stephen King and she was like, oh my God, like I remember reading Christine and we were talking about Stephen King and she was like, oh my God, like I remember reading Christine. And she was like I was.
Dani Combs:She was like terrified of this car in her neighborhood. She was reading Christine and she said one night she was reading it and she like looked out her window and saw it or something. I'm messing up your story, melinda. I'm sorry. Please come on our socials and fix it. Um, but it's funny because you think like a car, like how scary is a car? Well, very Especially after Christine.
Dani Combs:Yeah, and if I remember okay, correct me. Did you read this book? Are you Okay? So correct me if I'm wrong. I'm trying to remember how the car got possessed. Didn't like on the assembly line somebody died or something.
Katie Parsons:I think it was like that, yeah, and then, like the spirit went into the car.
Dani Combs:Okay, I think, I don't know, so am I? The weird thing is like. The car is like in love with the driver, the driver, the kid, the teenager, the teenager yeah, the nerdish boy.
Katie Parsons:the nerdish boy, and like basically anyone who gets close to him, the car is like no, you're done, goodbye.
Dani Combs:It's like a very jealous girlfriend. But a car. But a car. I love it. I know that's another almost overly simple idea.
Katie Parsons:It's a simple concept, but it works so well.
Dani Combs:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:And it's been imitated, so many times, so many times. Have you guys ever seen Rubber?
Dani Combs:No.
Katie Parsons:Rubber is about this like possessed tire that goes around killing an entire town. What Similar concept. This is one of the like B-list, like Sharknado movies.
Dani Combs:Oh, okay. Or like Apocalypse, oh like. Remember Killer Tomatoes. Do you remember that movie? Yes, that with like Velocipaster.
Katie Parsons:Um what oh speaking of bad horror movies?
Dani Combs:Velocipaster.
Katie Parsons:Velocipaster.
Dani Combs:I think I know him um what's that all?
Katie Parsons:yeah, I can't no it. This that movie is. Y'all want to watch a weird movie? Watch Velocipaster like thanks ninjas, dinosaurs, prostitute, just everything and church and a priest anyways got everything you're dying rubber is one of those like b-list movies where you're just like this should never have been made, but it's hysterically stupid so it's a tire, okay, it's a tire, but again, it's definitely inspired by things like christine oh sure you feel like all horror nowadays.
Dani Combs:Well, good, horror like slasher horror, whatever you don't really have. I don't, I don't I'm not a slasher fan okay, someone with a mask yeah, I'm not and I know sorry. I know we have a lot of listeners Sorry, patrick Uh like, who are slasher fans. I, I don't like a lot of like, I don't know, I just don't like. Anyway, okay, ready for the next one? I'm ready. Here we go. I think you'll know this one too. Sometimes dead is better. And don't forget to put out the cat before the cat puts out you.
Katie Parsons:Pat's up yeah that's easy.
Dani Combs:That's easy. So the book actually came out in 83, but the movie did not come out till 89. Dang so there, and I remember this one a lot. So the summary is after tragedy strikes, a grieving father discovers an ancient burial ground behind his home with the power to raise the dead. I have to say this is one of the scariest to me, and Stephen King actually said of all his books, this is the only one that actually scares him. Stephen King said that yeah, dang, yeah, okay. So here's, here's such a good trivia question and I think Hunt might know it. Okay, all right. So, hunt, why was the word cemetery misspelled in the title? Now you can tell me the reason they said in the movie, in the book, or the real life reason why he did that. Hold on, it's going to come to you, it's going to come to me katie sing the corn song.
Dani Combs:There's more than corn in indiana I am totally blank.
Katie Parsons:I am totally blanking right now because I have all of these as soon as I say it, you're gonna be so mad? I am gonna be mad because I know exactly what it is. I just I'm reading it. See you're, he's going to be mad, okay.
Dani Combs:So in the movie it's explained that kids yeah.
Dani Combs:In real life the story is not that different. So, as we said before, Stephen King was inspired by a lot of real life events. So, like you actually already mentioned this, in the 70s Stephen King and his family lived in Maine. They moved to this, to this rural town. They moved to this rural town and they actually lived in a rural area by a road where giant 18-wheelers would zoom by just like in the book and the movie, and would take the lives of a lot of local pets. So kids buried them in the nearby woods, just like the movie, and wrote the sign Pet Cemetery and they misspelled it and he saw it.
Katie Parsons:He came across it when they lived there, which helped inspired his book see, I knew in the movie it was because it was like a kid who'd done it. I didn't know that it was based on a real one. Isn't that interesting? I didn't know. We're teaching, we're teaching super fans today.
Dani Combs:Okay, I knew in the movie because it was the kid well, I can't remember the origin because, yes, I don't know, but but I thought it was so interesting because I'm picturing stephen king living, you know, in an area that looks like the place in the movie and him just coming across it, like walking in the woods in his house and being like having this whole story unfold in his head.
Katie Parsons:Oh yeah, no, he's definitely sitting there, like standing there looking at the sign and this whole story is just forming in his head. He's like I gotta go home and write Right.
Dani Combs:Inspired. Have you seen Pet Sematary? That one I've seen, I know you've seen it.
Katie Parsons:I remember the little boy. I have read it.
Dani Combs:Okay, so there is actually. I have another trivia question that I didn't write down but it came to my head. So in the book the ending is a little different than the movie. Yes, do you know the difference? It's?
Katie Parsons:it's a tiny tiny difference, it is Um.
Dani Combs:I'm putting him in the hot seat. But I'm also torn because, like it's not that big of a difference.
Katie Parsons:Yeah.
Dani Combs:In the movie it's been forever since I've seen it the cat comes back at the end and that's how it ends, right? Oh no, the cat is the first thing to come back, but then doesn't happen at the very end again. No, his wife dies the kid, so all right. Okay the kid. So all right, okay. Spoiler alert it's out of place all right, here we go.
Hunt Fitch:You see it, though, right, yeah, it's been a while.
Dani Combs:It's been a while, yeah, the cat does first and so you know they have the neighbor who advises him against it like do not, don't bury your cat over there. Yeah, don't bury your cat here because they come back and you don't want him to come back, and then the dad doesn't listen, so he does it. Well then, the cat's like evil and horrible and possessed, so he has to kill the cat right, again right then his little boy dies.
Dani Combs:He gets hit by an 18-meter. He's a toddler. This is when we have scary toddler kids that come back. His name's gage. I remember that. I remember his name and he he buries him in the pet cemetery, then the kid comes back and the mom is like going crazy at this point she's like that's not my kid yeah, well then he kills her, right?
Dani Combs:yeah, the top, the toddler. Okay, so then he kills the toddler, but then he takes the wife and buries her. So the end of the movie. So you know, it takes a little while for the undead to come back so yeah, he goes home. He's like playing cards. And you hear the door open and in comes undead wife and he's so excited and they start slow dancing and she in the movie she reaches for a knife and she's about to stab him, but that's it, it ends in the movie.
Katie Parsons:In the book the whole knife scene doesn't happen, it's just he comes home and she's sitting there, and that's it yeah yeah, so they added the extra with the knife and the drama just to give it a little more hollywood zhuzh okay, but that I feel like endings like that are always the creepiest but I feel so and that's why I'm like it's different, but I feel like they still imply the same thing yeah, oh, yeah, because that's the thing is like you already know that anything that's coming back out of that cemetery is not the same thing that you put in correct, and that's what he says.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, sometimes dead is better like just so it's weird that, like so, like when he comes home and she's sitting there, like it's implied, like you already know, that she is not the same thing and she's probably going to kill him yeah, right and then the movie, like really kind of like like it's implied in the book, in the movie there's like yeah, no, she's going to kill him. Yeah, like right now knife yeah she's hugging him grabbing a knife, yeah but then it then.
Dani Combs:So then, like your brain is just wondering like, well then, what? Like now? What now? Is this some zombie walking around and does she bury him and does he come back? And then yeah, yeah I mean, but that's good, that's like when we were talking about the scary stories, that's good. Let me clarify Zombie apocalypse not good. That sort of open-ended writing good yeah yeah, that's what I was trying to say.
Katie Parsons:No, I do love how it kind of like leaves on a cliffhanger and like it is slightly different in the book, in the movie. But I said that I know the story's still the same.
Dani Combs:I was just messing with you, I was just throwing a little bit there but I I will say I think I probably just said that whole scene wrong because I haven't watched this movie in like a decade. Troy and I were like we were talking about Stephen King last night. He's like we need to like rewatch some of these and Cooper's like I'm not watching that. I was like oh no, no, no, you don't want to watch that.
Hunt Fitch:No, you're not, oh bless All right.
Dani Combs:So we, oh, oh, oh. Here's my other. Here's my other trivia. I almost forgot. Stephen King has a cameo in this movie. He's the minister at one of the funerals, Missy. I don't remember who the character of Missy is.
Katie Parsons:That's not the wife right.
Dani Combs:Isn't that like the neighbor? Lady or something. Anyway, that's what I found. I was like looking up random trivia. I found some weird stuff, but that one was a funny one. I was like oh, how funny he's not a great actor.
Katie Parsons:Just I was gonna say, does he do that a lot sometimes he's. He's been in a handful of his films. I mean it's obviously not like um stanley. Oh yeah, stanley, I was thinking like every marvel movie yes, yeah but like stephen king has like made cameos here and there, but again like they don't really use him much because he cannot act.
Dani Combs:He's absolutely terrible. I mean like if you already know somebody who's a bad actor just from a walk-on cameo role, then I just want to leave that alone.
Katie Parsons:He has such an imaginative mind. He's a fantastic writer.
Dani Combs:I know you have amazing talent.
Katie Parsons:Be proud.
Dani Combs:Just do that thing, do that thing, and we'll bring in the actors for you. All right, you ready, I'm ready, he's going to know this one, yep, you're going to know this one, here we go, they float, and when you're down here with me, you'll float too your every fear all in one enemy.
Katie Parsons:So that's it, yeah.
Dani Combs:Yeah, we got that okay, I think we already said book came out in 86, the two night miniseries event, that's what they used to call them back in the day guys. Miniseries event a miniseries event um was 1990 and you know what, as I was like, as we were getting into, like the 90s of stephen king, a lot of his stuff, what weren't featured films, they were miniseries, because they were so his books are so long I feel like they were trying to include more which you can't have in a 90-minute two-hour movie.
Dani Combs:It's got to be multiple hours because there's several that we're about to talk about that were like that. So anyway, here's a summary if y'all hadn't figured it out before. It's 1967 pre-teen outcast fight an evil demon who poses as a child killing clown. 30 years later they reunite to stop the demon once and for all when it returns to their hometown of Derry Indiana.
Katie Parsons:Derry.
Dani Combs:Derry. Oh interesting, not Gary Derry, no, ma'am Derry. Oh okay, there's also. Derry in England. So I don't know. But anyway, all right, here's a trivia dang. We already said, all right, where I was. My trivia was who played pennywise, but we already said it was tim curry. Let's see if you can name three other 80s and or 90s movies.
Katie Parsons:He was in tim curry tim curry um, so we have rocky horn yeah, that was 80s.
Dani Combs:I think that was 80. I think it was 80.
Katie Parsons:Yeah uh, let's see what else was tim curry in maybe even late 70s it might Maybe even late 70s.
Dani Combs:It might have been late 70s, he was in Clue.
Katie Parsons:He was in Clue, one of my favorites. I love that one. I love Madeline Kahn. One more, oh my God, I cannot think of another one.
Hunt Fitch:He knows one, I know one, I haven't watched it.
Katie Parsons:He's the devil in Legend. Have you watched it? He's the devil in Legend.
Dani Combs:Yes, oh, it's so good, I can't wait to talk about that one. He's also in Home Alone. 2. Love that one. Okay, that's how my kids know him.
Katie Parsons:Oh, he was the concierge. And then he was in. He was the bad pirate, he was the cook. He was the cook who tried to outsmart them.
Dani Combs:Yes, Tim.
Katie Parsons:Curry.
Dani Combs:Okay. So another thing about Tim Curry was, as I was reading stuff, some of his fellow actors said he was so creepy and realistic while he was filming that some of them avoided him during filming. But also on the flip side, the kid actors loved him.
Dani Combs:He would spend time like with them outside of filming, and there's pictures of him like like reading mad magazine with them in his whole fucking pennywise mess and I'm like those kids are crazy. I feel like no, sir, like take all that off and then we can read this you know what another zennial typic jonathan brandis was in?
Hunt Fitch:oh, really, do you remember?
Dani Combs:him. Yeah, he was in the it miniseries, so cute, adorable, all right. And like we already talked about that piece of trivia, so we'll see that one. Okay, all right, moving on to number nine.
Hunt Fitch:We haven't talked about this one, this one's hard.
Dani Combs:Okay, hunt, here we go. You can't run, you can't hide, you can only become one of them. And then the other tagline something wonderful is happening in Haven Pray. It doesn't happen to you. Late 80s, late 80s for the book, early 90s for the miniseries event, this one's tricky. This is one of my least faves, yeah.
Katie Parsons:It's not Sleepwalkers. Is sleepwalkers no?
Dani Combs:do you want me to tell you? Yeah, tommy knockers, tommy knockers, tommy knockers knocking at your door. Yeah, they have a whole like little thing that is so scary I know.
Dani Combs:That's why I threw it in you threw it in there I did was because this was like his first foray into horror slash sci-fi, because there's aliens. My mom also is a huge sci-fi person. Okay, so I remember this. I remember watching this with her when it was on. Here is the summary the small town of Haven becomes a hotbed of inventions, all run by a strange green power device. The whole town is digging something up in the woods and only an alcoholic poet can discover the secret of the tommy knockers. An alcoholic poet you say yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
Dani Combs:So, hunt, this is a very random one. Um, stephen king actually has described this as an awful book because he was in the depths of cocaine addiction when he wrote it. Okay, so this is the one you were talking about, so he hates this book and I think it's probably because, like Horrible memories, yeah, or non-memories, or just like a really low point. Yeah, yeah. So have you seen this or read it?
Katie Parsons:I have seen it. It's been a while Same.
Dani Combs:Yeah, I was watching some clips and I was like, okay, it's coming back to me now and I can see why he said it was awful, like it's not great.
Katie Parsons:It's not great it's one of the weird ones, yeah.
Dani Combs:Well, I mean they're all weird. Yeah, yeah, it's just, it's very different from his and now that I know that he was on cocaine, like while he was writing this, you can see how it's very different. I feel like it's a different feel, not just because it's sci-fi. I feel like it was just not as developed.
Katie Parsons:Like his addiction era was a lot of like more bizarre things. Like it came out of his addiction area as well and the shining alcohol I think he had different drugs of choice different depending
Katie Parsons:what it was um. Yeah, I think it's weird to say people are gonna hate me for it, but I think, like his different addictions inspire different styles. Like his alcoholism like end up things, like the shining his cocaine addiction end up with like it and you're just like, what are you seeing? Um? And like tommy knockers, which again very obscure, very weird, um, trying to actually remember this one because it's been a while since I've seen it.
Dani Combs:Um, it's just everything you can be a super fan and not know all his works I mean, okay, he has a lot him.
Dani Combs:Yeah, oh my gosh, we're not doubting your super fandom fan and not know all his works. It's okay, he has a lot Especially him. Yeah, oh, my gosh, we're not doubting your super fandom, okay? No, not at all this one, okay. So I'm going to do the trivia question. It's going to be kind of hard, but you might be able to guess. So we were just talking about different endings. Mm-hmm, this miniseries ending. So they changed it for TV, I think, to be a little more like with closure. So can you guess how the book ends different, see, I haven't read the book.
Dani Combs:Oh, you haven't read the book. Well then, you may not know. Okay, so in the book everybody dies at the end.
Katie Parsons:Yeah, everyone's dead In the miniseries.
Dani Combs:the people's minds, if you find out, are controlled by three characters that are trapped in a crystal.
Katie Parsons:Okay, so that are trapped in a crystal. Okay, I don't know we can move on. I think it's a very common thing, yeah, because like there are so many times like they will change endings, especially like horror films, to kind of make the audience feel a little better. Yes, um, like, go back to theater for a second, um little shop of horrors oh yeah, stage play. Everyone's dead, yep, like at the end, like they all die not to ruin it for y'all who haven't, yeah, spoiler alert um, but in the movie yeah, they don't they don't, they actually end up killing the plant and then they go to their little house.
Dani Combs:What is the song?
Katie Parsons:somewhere that's green, somewhere that they go to a little somewhere that's green, yeah, and it's actually kind of interesting though, because psychologically, people who are watching films because so books and like stage play is like you know that first of all, the book characters aren't real correct stage play you see them come out for battle so they can all die at the end, but you know that the actor's not actually dead right in films. Because you don't like, these are people you're watching act and people will think that if they die in a film they're actually dead. So a lot of times films will change endings to make them a little bit more happy, interesting and like make you think that people survive it's like a human nature thing.
Dani Combs:Yeah, psychoanalysis with haunt today. It's weird and like.
Katie Parsons:There's a lot of horror films that will like. That's why we get the trope of like, the um the final girl yeah, oh, final girl, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's gotta be somebody. You have to have someone survive you have to have that kind of feel good moment, especially in horror films.
Dani Combs:Like people don't like it if you just kill everyone off and like go black screen and start rolling credits right, yeah, I mean even an open ending, like Pet Sematary, because you didn't see him die.
Katie Parsons:Because you didn't see him die.
Dani Combs:That's a good point. Maybe he grabbed her arm and probably not, and she was like just kidding, I was just testing you.
Hunt Fitch:I feel like you guys would probably be final girls.
Dani Combs:I'd be the first to die, just so you know I do. I think y'all would be good it's because you don't have wisdom teeth, you'd be the first to go be like this girl. No, it's just because I am not trying to fight to the death anything yeah, that's fair, I'll just die. It's just like if there's an apocalypse, I'm dead because I mean once my ac goes out, forget it.
Dani Combs:We faced the cockroach in the kitchen and you ran away. Yes, what if there's a bigger one in there where you ran? That was the whole plan. There's like a giant cockroach waiting to eat me. Yeah, it's like they're like just gonna put the baby in there.
Hunt Fitch:Uh-huh, see, I'd be first to die, that would have been it.
Dani Combs:It's like in scream, you know the girl where they're having the party, um rose mcgowan, oh, and she goes to get, like I'll go to the garage, you guys are so scared, whatever. And then she dies in the garage door opener. I'm like that'd be me, like it'd be me all right, whatever, we have one more hunt okay here we go and then, if you have any facts we have not addressed, we will get to those yes, okay, so this one only has one tagline here we go.
Dani Combs:The end of the world is just the beginning the end of the world is just the beginning. This is 90s. Now, this one, I'm going to give you a hint. It was a four-part miniseries. It was a very long book. I looked up the audio book the other day and it was 48 hours. What, yeah, oh my God.
Katie Parsons:The end of the world is just the beginning? I don't know what that would be the stand.
Dani Combs:Yes, okay, that's a good tagline for that one.
Katie Parsons:Yes, there was only one tagline.
Dani Combs:I was like oh okay, it's not super descriptive.
Katie Parsons:Yeah.
Dani Combs:Well, once we read you the summary I'll see why. So the book came out in 90. The four-part miniseries came out in 94. Okay, and I also remember it was the same time as Tommyknockers. It wasn't too long after that, but I remember watching this as well with my mom and it was really good. It was a really. I still remember it and if I can find somewhere to stream it because it's dystopian, all right. So here we go.
Dani Combs:After a deadly plague kills most of the world's population, the remaining survivors split into two groups, one led by a benevolent elder and the other by a malevolent, being Okay To face each other in a final battle between good and evil. So I mean, that's not a brand new tale. Like there's a lot of like dystopian, like good, good and evil, fight, fight, fight. But I don't know it was really good. But here is a Xeniel, a X, really good. But here is a zennial trivia piece. Okay, first of all, it might fall, crumble to the ground and be a mess, because if you've never watched the miniseries you're not gonna know have you ever seen the miniseries.
Katie Parsons:I have. Okay, you have again.
Dani Combs:It's been a while okay, but if I say this, you might know and I'm so excited because I forgot this until I looked it up all right, hunt what two brat packers were in the mini series.
Katie Parsons:Oh God I have no idea.
Dani Combs:Stumped in, I forgot they were in it. This is cool, so Molly Ringwald Okay.
Hunt Fitch:Is one.
Dani Combs:She plays Franny, who's one of the main characters, and then Rob Lowe plays Nick. Oh yeah. I think this is because I don't have extensive knowledge of the bra. I know that's before your time. That's yeah, it's really technically before our time, but we know a lot about him. Anyway, we're adjacent love mother I know, I know right I didn't know she was in the bra okay, did you read this book because it's long af it is very long.
Katie Parsons:In fact, this book took him three years to write yeah, it's so long um, he actually was inspired by lord of the rings really yeah. So oh, that makes sense, and he wanted to make something like as epic and in the style of this. It took him three years to write because of the number of characters oh, yeah, the storylines like this is a complex, like there's just so many things weaving in and out and you're just like this is a lot yeah um, but it's, it's epic it's super good.
Dani Combs:I think you would like this one, katie, because it's not like traditional horror yeah it's more it's very dystopian yeah, it's very dystopian, like I mean. I almost feel like it's kind of sci-fi, but not really yeah I mean, that's not the right word sorry I'm not well today. Sci-fi is not the word, it's something else.
Katie Parsons:But it sounds interesting. It's a dark fantasy okay, there we go, that's what I wanted.
Dani Combs:That has nothing to do with sci-fi. Everyone, yeah, no, it's it's very.
Katie Parsons:It's a fantasy, it's a dark fantasy, yeah, post-apocalyptic, very dystopian. Um, it's very.
Dani Combs:I call it an epic, like lord of the rings yeah, it is, and it makes me think like I love all the post-apocalypse stuff. Like this is us. Like not, this is us. Jesus christ, the, the last of us, last of us, everybody's gonna be. Like this is us hello, the last of us which you know, is a modern series, right now based on a video game.
Hunt Fitch:And it is so good.
Dani Combs:But it has to do with, like a deadly plague comes and people are surviving, and this is a little different because there is some like groups that are fighting each other or whatever. But anyways, here's another funny, zennial piece of trivia. It's not a question, it's just a statement. But anyways, here's another funny, zennial piece of trivia. It's not a question, just a statement. So the art directors needed to figure out how a magic eight ball worked for a certain scene in the miniseries. Like they want to know how it like works. So they called the toy company who makes the magic eight ball and they refused to tell them the secret of the magic eight ball. And then I was sitting there. I'm like okay, but isn't it just like a freaking shape and like liquid that it floats around?
Katie Parsons:like a weighted like it doesn't seem like it's a multi-sided die inside of a ball of like oil.
Dani Combs:Hello engineer like these art directors could not figure that out. I was like why you gotta call it like oh my god. Like how do you make an eight ball? Like take it apart and see, like yeah reverse engineer exactly it's.
Katie Parsons:It's not very smart, but whatever it's literally just a multi-sided die, and when you shake it. It just moves around because it floats in there. So it just rolls around and then just whatever piece floats to the top and hits the glass science.
Dani Combs:Point to yes science point to, yes, quick side story, which might explain why I did not read a lot of Stephen King or watch his miniseries slash movies. My mom got me an eight ball for christmas when I was like nine or ten and my dad made her take it back because he didn't want, like the magic or whatever it was in our house. Wow, like he was pissed. My mom's like really. My mom was probably like it's a multi-sided dye in oil and he was like I can't believe you would bring that in here, so I didn't get to keep it.
Dani Combs:Meanwhile in my house it's like family movie night watching it. Let's go.
Katie Parsons:Sit down, get your popcorn, my mom also had this whole thing.
Dani Combs:I should not lay all her government out there, but like she also had this whole theory that like, um, about, about aliens. I'm not even going to say it, we'll save that for an X-Files episode when we need fodder. I'm sitting here as my brain I don't usually think before I speak, but I'm like I saw the wheels turning. I was like, oh God, this is just going to go in a place and we'll just let it stay. There was steam coming out of your?
Katie Parsons:ears. It was like those things of your ears. It's so much those things are awesome.
Dani Combs:By the way they are. We need a friend here.
Katie Parsons:I actually use one at work and whenever I like don't want to. So people like message me at work and I'm like, if I don't want to respond or like I'm annoyed by their message, I will honestly use the Magic 8-Ball to respond.
Dani Combs:And you throw it at them, or something I wish.
Katie Parsons:No, I'll just shake the ball and be like they'll be like can I do this? This isn't, I'm just like science points.
Dani Combs:science point to get it. No, try again later. Thanks, what does it say when it doesn't know? It says uh, oh crap.
Hunt Fitch:Well, don't ask me.
Dani Combs:All right, Do you have any more? Um, have any more like little fun facts or anything you wanted to share that we did not get to? We talked about a lot today and we stumped a super fan.
Katie Parsons:That's so fun you did. That's our favorite.
Dani Combs:I don't think we've done that yet.
Katie Parsons:Let's see here Ooh, we didn't really talk about Misery.
Dani Combs:Oh shit, we didn't.
Katie Parsons:Or Shawshank Redemption, I know.
Dani Combs:I had to stop because, like I had 10 and then we were at the mid 90s and I was like I tried to only keep it with 80s and 90s is misery.
Katie Parsons:The kathy bates yes, okay, it's one of the kathy bates ones.
Dani Combs:Yeah, she's in, she's in quite a few was she in needful things?
Katie Parsons:no, I don't think so, okay, um, she's been in a couple of them and I feel like, because a lot of the earlier Stephen Kings are very common directors I think one of the directors just had a thing for Kathy Bates- oh, interesting. Because she's been in a couple of Stephen King things, most notably Misery, but then I think there was one that was like Dolores Claiborne, was she in that one? Yes, that's the one.
Dani Combs:Well.
Katie Parsons:I think it was very specifically for her, yeah.
Dani Combs:Interesting. She was just so good in misery. She's a great actress. Yeah, I love her. Did you see misery, katie?
Katie Parsons:uh-uh.
Dani Combs:So misery is another one of my, I love kathy bates, though you would like it. Well, I mean, it's violent, it's violent.
Katie Parsons:It's another one of my favorite ones. It's really like big into pop culture.
Hunt Fitch:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:It's about this. Another writer. A lot of his things revolve around writers.
Dani Combs:The main characters are writers and authors and stuff like that.
Katie Parsons:And it's again like Stephen King's, like really pulling from his own life here. You know, a lot of his main characters are writers. You know a lot of his main characters are writers. Um, but so it's this author. He's driving down this road in the winter, he gets in a car accident, he's like badly hurt and he gets saved by this woman. And this woman turns out to be like a super fan, like fanatic, like obsessed with him Like a psycho fan, like like dangerous, yeah, she finds in his bag the um Psycho fan.
Katie Parsons:Psycho fan, like dangerous, yeah. And she finds in his bag the latest version of his new book and she finds out that he kills off one of her favorite characters and she's hissed Like she's like holding him hostage.
Dani Combs:So she's like torturing him to make him rewrite.
Katie Parsons:To rewrite the book.
Dani Combs:Oh, my God, yeah. And meanwhile this guy's like like trying to escape and she's like beats. That's the one scene I like yeah she's like beating his leg so he can't get up and walk yeah, she was like what does she use? Like a pipe or some shit, I don't know, or something.
Katie Parsons:Oh, I don't know she, she breaks his legs so that he can't leave and and then I think there's a local cop or something that's called out and she kills the cop.
Dani Combs:Yeah, girl Dang, we're just telling you the whole movie. Now I must see it Again.
Katie Parsons:it's one of those psychological ones.
Dani Combs:Yeah.
Katie Parsons:Again one of the ones that's really popular. I feel like a lot of Stephen King things get referenced in pop culture and stuff like that If you're ever a fan like family guy, they do a whole episode based on stephen king novels. Yeah, um, and they're hysterical. They force all their characters into the stephen king I feel like simpsons had at least simpsons have done it.
Dani Combs:Yeah, like I think he had a voice. You know how the simpsons does their treehouse of terror every year stephen king is voiced stephen king, on, on the simpsons.
Katie Parsons:It's funny that you mentioned the simpsons I was watching it I was like stephen king's been on the simpsons, I know, yeah, that's so cool.
Dani Combs:But that's kind of how pop culture goes, like it just kind of trickles into each other yeah we didn't talk about misery. That's one to add to your list. Okay, I might go to that one first um shawshank redemption.
Katie Parsons:I feel like there's a lot.
Dani Combs:It's less scary you know, I have never seen that I know I've actually seen that.
Dani Combs:I've never seen that, I've never seen a green mile, that's also, stephen king, do you, do you have like trouble watching movies where people are incarcerated? Yeah, yeah, and I think the more I have like learned in recent years about like our prison system, I can't, I have trouble watching it. Now too, like there's the TV TV show where they like the big lockup or whatever, I can't watch it. Yeah, and you know, like a few years ago, when I okay, this is going to take a turn, but we'll get back, um, when I lived in Virginia, I um was in a mom's group and I became friends with a gal who was incarcerated wrongly and as a mom, like a young mom, it was an abusive situation and all these things.
Dani Combs:And to hear stories of like reality and then what our society does to people once they've been incarcerated is also terrible. So I don enjoy. Yeah, it's hard, it's hard to hard to watch. Um, obviously the word redemption's in it so you get a little satisfaction from it.
Dani Combs:I mean, I know about yeah, the story, but seeing what the system does to people in that case wrongly accused, but also even maybe rightfully accused like morgan freeman's character comes to mind who did do something but, he ends up as a young black man. You know, he robs store or something and and and then ends ends up being in prison until he's like 70 or whatever and it's just so sad because that happens so much even now, like this ridiculous. Anyway, whatever we won't get on that soapbox today, it's coming one day but it's a really good.
Katie Parsons:it's a. It's a great book, it's an amazing film, I think it won awards, it did. Again, it's less scary. It's definitely one of those ones that makes you think it's very deep. It's more of a deeper work. Again, a wrongfully accused man ends up in prison and just has to deal with so much and like the redemption party.
Dani Combs:spoiler alert uh, so many, so many today, oh yeah, no anyone who's watching this?
Katie Parsons:like I just ruined everything um watching, listening. Um, like the redemption part is you know him breaking out and you know continuing to you, getting back to a life I'm not going to say his life. I know Because he can't go back to his life.
Dani Combs:Right.
Katie Parsons:But he's at least able to go back to a life, a life, yeah, yeah.
Dani Combs:And just even the way he gets out, you know, like through the sewer pipes and the poop and the, it's just like oh, and that's one of the things, too, about the detail in the books.
Katie Parsons:You're reading the book and you're like I can smell the sewer. You're sitting there in a room full of Febreze and you smell that pipe. You're just like.
Dani Combs:It was full of Febreze. That's why it's Leslie.
Katie Parsons:You have the most amazing smell in the room, but you're reading this book and you're reading the detail he puts into it and you, just like I, can smell it gross oh my gosh, wow, so obviously stephen king.
Dani Combs:Uh, gigantic topic and and really on this show, we know we can't talk about everything, about everything. So if we missed your favorite book or your favorite movie, we're sorry, but we can always have hunt back for that have them on the after show so become a patron and you can hear what else we're gonna talk about absolutely. I love that. Was there anything else, big though, that we didn't touch on? You mentioned Misery and Trash and Redemption. I'm glad you brought those up at the end because those are some big ones.
Katie Parsons:I feel like we kind of covered all like the big ones and we even I love that.
Dani Combs:Mark it in history.
Katie Parsons:There's so much of his content that you really can't cover all of it. I will say, though, if you are a Stephen King fan, I fully recommend if you haven't already go read some of his collections of short stories. A lot of the stuff that he did when he was in college and stuff that he sold to the Cavalier magazine he's republished. They're short stories, but they're fantastic. His writing at the beginning was just so phenomenal.
Katie Parsons:It still is phenomenal to this day but some of his earlier works, like getting to see like the evolution of his work, like I highly recommend it. Yeah, okay, that's good advice yeah, all right everyone.
Dani Combs:well, thank you, uh again to Hunt for coming Yay.
Katie Parsons:So exciting.
Dani Combs:Thanks for having me and thank you all for listening and joining us on Generation Between, a Zennio podcast. So if you liked what you heard today, share us with your friends and family of all generations. We do not discriminate. We welcome all here and we explain it all if you don't know what we're talking about. So give us a follow and a review wherever you listen. Those help us so so much. Give us those reviews, give us those five stars five, five, five stars, okay, everybody, five or nothing, five or nothing and give us a follow and like on all the socials and just ignore our TikTok.
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Hunt Fitch:we do, we have a great time.
Dani Combs:So until next time, remember some things it don't pay to be curious about. That's from pet cemetery. Oh, all right.
Hunt Fitch:Yeah, bye guys hello, generation in between ladies. This is your new listener, sarah, with no H, and I have just started listening to all of your podcasts from the beginning, and my comment is about your podcast about the different novels from when we were growing up, and you mentioned the Babysitter's Club, and I just wanted to add a few things to it that you missed. Well, one was Christy was the athlete, claudia was the artist, marianne was the brainiac and Stacey was the glamorous one from New York City, but the most important thing about her was that she had diabetes. In her first book, the Truth About Stacey, they talk all about that and they would always bring it up in every book, and I always found that to be very fascinating that they talked about that.
Hunt Fitch:And then also, you forgot a very important members who joined later. So there was Dawn, who came from California, and she ended up becoming really good friends with Marianne, and then her mom ended up marrying Marianne's father and they became stepsisters. There was also Logan, who was an alternative member, who was Marianne's boyfriend. And then you also had all junior members who were Jesse and Mallory, and Jesse was the only black character and Mallory was the redhead. And then, as far as your Judy Blume books were concerned, you forgot one of the most salacious Judy Blume teenage novels and that was Forever, where the girl in the book has many sexual experiences with her boyfriend, and I remember being very young and reading that and just very fascinated with all of her thoughts and everything that she was doing, and that was a very risque book at the time. So again, I am so happy to have found your podcast. It's awesome to be able to relive all of these generation in between memories with you guys and I look forward to being able to comment more. Thank you, peace.
