Dawson's Creek, S1 E11: Scary Movies and Seances

What's scarier than surviving a Friday the 13th in Capeside? Dodging Dawson's pranks and evading a real-life serial killer, apparently. In this episode, we are talking Dawson's Creek, Season 1, Episode 11.

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Dani Combs: 0:01

Hi everybody. Welcome back to our nostalgic or problematic series where we are re watching the series Dawsons Creek, and we are almost to the end of this season. So that is wild. We are on season one, episode 11, entitled The scare. And here's your little summary. While Dawson is preparing to celebrate Friday the 13th, a serial killer is rumored to be headed to Cape side. Yep, duh, duh, duh. Okay. Now, before we even get going, I did. I just keep changing on how I do things, on my little tally of things. Should we just go in order of the episode? Like, yeah, I do happies and sads, but I think in order is okay, because I only have two x's. Okay, good. So let's go in order. Then sounds good. So we normally, Danny has smiley faces and frowny faces, and I have hearts and exes, yeah. And sometimes we do, like, all the happies and then all the sads. But this one particularly, I think we can just like, start at the beginning and go from there. Think it's better. Sounds good. Go in order. Okay, so let me tell you in the very beginning of this episode, okay, I love this episode, by the way. Did you I love so much fun, right? This episode so fun. I and I loved the beginning, where Dawson and Joey are, like, on his bed watching movies, course. And Joey is like, I don't like scary stuff. Like, the world's already a scary place. I'm like, Yes, preach it, sister, because that is how I feel. I am not. I don't watch a whole lot of scary movies. I despise true crime. And Katie loves it. I love it. I do like some old school, like, 80s, 90s horror, okay? Which is kind of, they're like, owed to the 90s, like horror movies, which we'll talk about. I do like some of that. I love the vibe, vibe of this episode. But as a whole, I don't generally love scary stuff, because I feel like, yes, the world is terrifying. I do not need to be reminded, right? Of scary stuff. The world is scary, right? I also, like, I hate when people scare me. You know how he, like, jumped out and scared her? Yes, I hate that, but I love to scare people, yes. So of that scene, you're gonna laugh at. My first note, I agree with what you're saying, but I said Dawson's PJ pants. Stop. Katie had those? One of those, not because I, like, cute, so cute. I mean, he is, but it was like, it's like, it's like, PJ pen. Kids, you know, kids even now, were like, those PJ Oh, I had so many. But the color palette, it was like that brown and then like tan, crisscross. It was just that like, color palette that I was like, Oh my gosh. What a flashback. Flashback. So they were watching, I Know What You Did Last Summer, yes, right. So I don't mind a scary movie now, but when I was in high school and like that movie came out, I didn't like them either, but I had this very opposite. I loved scary shit when I was younger, okay, obsessed with it, so I had a pretty serious boyfriend, and so I would watch scary stuff with him, okay, like at home, or some, I guess we would saw, like, some of the screen stuff in theaters. But so this is funny. We you know how Dawson scares her from coming out from under the bed. So when we were dating, we watched, I know you did, last summer at his house, and it was like a Friday night, and parents have gone to bed, and it was like dark, and I went in the bathroom stop, and I came out, and he scared me. I can't remember if he jumped out or if I couldn't find him. And then, like, the door was open. It like it was a whole thing. And I, like, almost had a heart attack, like I was so scared. And so it was funny when watching this. And I was like, Oh, I guess this is just what guys like to do when they watch this movie, because he did that to me as well. And then there was the Jerry Maguire reference, yes, where it was watching that she put it on. She was like, ah. She like, settled in, right? And he's like, Oh, yeah. Because this is so realistic. I never, I just, I really loved that facts. I also love that it was so nostalgic when they did the scream, like, phone call, yeah. I loved that so much like I think that's what I liked about this episode. Was there was so much nostalgia for the 90 midnight, late 90s, sorry, late 90s horror movies that were going on at the time that I Know What You Did Last Summer. Screams, all those urban legends. Yes, there was a shout out to that one as well when they were sitting around telling the stories. Yes, yeah, that was really good. I did like it. Um, the scene. Then I don't know if it's the next scene when Dawson and Pacey are in the hallway at school, yes. And Dawson's like, I'm not celebrating, and blah blah blah. And, of course, so I really like this line. And he, Dawson explains, he's like, like, when I started dating Jen, I thought it was gonna be this epic romance. And, like, the movies, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, but it was, it was, and it was like this and like this. And then he says the love scenes were amateurs at best. I loved that, or non existent or not, because there was like, not a lot of like action going on there. So, hey. Much amateurish. I can't even say it, but yeah, oh so great. I also had a right around then, when Joey opens her bag, and there's the fake snake, yes, the sound effect, I was dying. It's like, or whatever, and it like, goes like this, crazy. And I don't know if they were trying to be cheesy on purpose, or if that was a reference to, like, a movie where they use that sound effect, but I was like, that was really something. It was good. Wow. All those practical jokes were funny, the fake finger and the French fries, and then they both, and you knew, yeah, they're gonna pick it up and buy I know, so gross, so gross. But Okay, so let's, let's go ahead to where they go to the gas station. Yes. Okay, so there Dawson's planning this little seance at his house, right? This is something that was problematic to me. There's the couple fighting, the grown adults fighting in a gas station. There are hands laid upon each other. I mean, they're both very toxic, abusive people, the woman and the man, and Pacey was like, Hey, do we like do something? And Dawson's like, no, it's a, it's a, it's a domestic squabble. And I'm like, Absolutely not. You see something like that happening? You call police, like, I'm sorry. Like, I know their kids, like, but, you know, tell, tell them, whoever's working there. Hey, police, there's a, like, a domestic violence situation. I didn't like how they were, like, no, no, stay out of it. Yeah, I had that too. I only had two. I didn't like that was one of mine. Absolutely, if you see abuse of any form, verbal, physical, yeah, or whatever, you report it and, and if you're quote, unquote overstepping, oh, well, who cares? Let the police, yeah, let them protect it out our fellow man, absolutely, absolutely right before that scene, I had that I love when, well, Scott Foley, I was like, Why has she not said Scott Foley at five minutes? And Scott Foley, so I put a heart, just because it was so dumb. Him asking Dawson for advice, girl, I know I said so boneheaded, well and and rude. He is bringing his ex girlfriend to her ex boyfriend's house for a date. Weird. What the It's so dumb, but his green sweater was perfection. Gracious. I loved that green sweater. So good. I was like, okay, Scott Foley, I'll go on a date with you. Oh my god, sweater. I can't and then I have a heart by the cabinets in Graham's kitchen. Oh yeah. Like, I loved that. And then when Jen's on that call the scream call, and they said, What's your favorite movie? And she says, The 10 Commandments, don't ask yet. Don't ask your favorite scary movie. I had a good laugh. And then, just generally, Pacey car. I know this, like wagon. It reminds me of the Griswold vacation car. And he's like, we can't turn it off because I stole it. I mean, I borrowed it. You bought if it's from family, you borrowed it, not stole it. I just thought that was great. And then so after the whole thing with the domestic dispute inside the grocery and they come back out, and the creepy guy has been talking, oh my god, see, no scary I don't like that. That's real life scary stuff. I don't like that. That's real life scary and so this creepy guy is talking to Joey through the window, who as soon and again, you this is how you feel in a scary movie when the girl, or any any one person gets left behind. You're like, Hello side or whatever. And so they leave Joey with the windows down in the middle of this parking lot, the car running, and they just saw on the news the day before, I let a serial killer on the loose, yeah? Who is after young women, who has killed five young women, or whatever? So of course, but again, that's how you're supposed to feel in a scary movie. So you, of course, you're like, why are they leaving her? Yeah? So of course, it's creepy. Guys asking her for directions, asking her where she lives, all this stuff. And then Dawson walks up and kind of kind of scares the guy off, like, Can I help you? Blah, blah. Then he says to to Joey, it's the 90s. You've got to be careful. I loved that. That was so, so good. When she said, I think it was back at the house. So if you have anything else like at the house, I do, I have to watch the house. Yeah, okay, go for it. I just, I loved the seance setup. It made me remember, did you ever do Ouija board stuff? I didn't. I was scared of it. I would, I would do it now. Oh, I wouldn't. I did it back then, but I didn't do it back then. So for those of you of our generation who did play the Ouija board, you know what? We need a whole episode on Ouija boards. We probably do because I would love to dig into the history of them. Gonna do it? No, I'm not. Okay. I don't play with that math unless we have a listener who's like, good at that. Oh, like, that's their thing. I'm gonna leave y'all do that segment without me. Okay, that'll that'll be the bonus that makes me so nervous. Anyways, it made me remember, though, the Ouija boards like never failed sleepovers, somebody had one, and you'd always be like, I didn't move it. Did you move it? No, I didn't move it. Did

Katie Parsons: 9:55

you move it? Like it was just, that's what that whole scene reminded me of. I. Yeah. And I loved while they were sitting in that circle, this was the urban legend shout out kind of thing, where they're like, talking about scary stories they've heard, but then, like, your man, Scott Foley over there tells this weirdo story, and they're like, that's not scary. That's just growth. Yeah. I was like, Dude, that's not right. That's not where they were going. Yeah, you're kind of on the right track, but kind like, if he would have been like, and the baby was gone, yeah? But no, you can watch the episode, yeah, because it's really gross, and you can just see Jen, like, questioning her life choices the whole episode, the whole episode, which we come to find out correct, was purposeful. But anyway, we'll get to that. I liked when Ursula said, I mean, Ursula is the woman. Okay, okay, so now let's talk about her. Let's talk about that. So the domestic dispute, quote, unquote, in the gas station. So then Pacey starts talking to her, and she says she'll get them a bottle of wine, puts it in her purse and literally, steals it. They go out to the parking lot, and the boyfriend who she's been fighting with starts running at the car. So she jumps in the car. They drive away. He's pounding on the windows. They speed out of there, and for an inexplicable, not smart reason, they take her to Dawson's house. Like, I did not love this lady and you liked her. I so she was kind of cracking me up. I didn't like the abuse stuff, obviously. But when she was by herself, she said something. She's like, love is a bitch. And then she like, gets there and she opened and they're all, like, staring at her, like, she's like, this scary being they don't want to touch or something. And she opens one of those, like, toy canisters, where the snake jumps out, and she's like, I don't know, I was dying laughing. I'm like, I texted Danny, this woman is a mess, and I love it. I hate it. But I just, I didn't love that her character, you know? I didn't love that they picked her up. First of all, like, why is a grown ass woman wanting to go to a teenager's house? Like, that's just weird. And then also, she normalizes violent behavior from a partner the whole time, the whole time she's like, he may be a yes, blah, blah, blah, but he's mine. It's supposed to be a joke, like, it's supposed to be like, oh yeah. You're just going yeah. And to, like, skip ahead a little to, like, my other ex after the guy. So the guy shows up at Dawson's house, and it's like, breaking windows and trying to get in the boyfriend, yeah, to get to her and screaming at her, Joey ends up, like, hitting him with a frying pan. It's a whole thing where you would normally, like, call the police, but she just leaves the time. And I said I didn't love the normalizing, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It was like, it was like, Oh, haha, we're both so crazy, right? Because they're both abusive. They are, yeah? But it was like, this guy literally just broke through windows and was, like, choking Pacey and like, attacking all these people, not to mention attacking her the girlfriend, yeah, but that's just what we do. We're gonna kind of hated that so much. And then, like, okay, but also, okay, did you love that? It was Scott Foley all along with the scares. I so. Did you know with them? I thought maybe, but I wasn't sure. And so when she first got the note in her locker that said you're gonna die tonight, Jen, I thought it was Dawson, because she just complained to him. Oh, you didn't plan any Yeah, which is sort of, come on, Jen, she's she's like, what about me? And later in the episode, Dawson says, I'm not happy with how things are right. And I'm like, you go, Dawson, like, he's like, I'm not just gonna scare you because you want me to like, I'm unhappy. And at the I kept maybe like Ross and Rachel, like you, you broke up with me. Yeah, exactly. And so, um, so I wasn't so I wasn't sure. I thought it could go one of two ways that the calls might be real, like it might actually be the serial killer. But then when the guy approached the car and Joey was in it, I was like, I think they were trying to get us to wonder which one was real, because I because the timing of it wouldn't have been both. It couldn't have been the scary guy talking to Joey, who also was calling Jen. Probably not. So it's like they want us to think it's one or the other. So which one is it? And then when, like, weird stuff started happening at Dawson's house, and the power went out and the phone lines disconnected, which you later find out was Dawson. Yeah, so there was a lot of interacting stuff, because Dawson was doing some of the scary stuff that he was claiming he wasn't right, but you could tell he meant it when he said he didn't call Jen and he didn't. So then basically, at the end, Scott Foley says, Well, that was me, because Dawson told me you love creative and imaginative. And there's just this moment where you're like, you I know dummy. Like, dummy, Dawson totally set you up. Because essentially, by the end of the night, Jen is like, so turned off by this guy, oh yeah. She's like, he's not imaginative, he's not creative. He scared me have to, like, he took it too far, yeah, and, and I just am not attracted to this guy imitating and also boo boo boo for the moment, where he says, Can I kiss you? And then he didn't even let her answer before he goes in and kisses her anyway. And then she's like, No. I didn't like that. Yeah. She never said, like, she didn't even get to answer anything. Yeah. She said, Is it he said, Is it okay if I kiss you? And then went in, yeah, like, Whoa. What's happening to Jen? I Come on, guys, I don't like it. And maybe it's not just Jen. I just okay. So then the ending with a lady killers on TV, and it was the guy that was talking to Joey. Of course, this is why I can't do True Crime Scary stuff, because it happens and it's terrifying and I don't like it. You can have it all. Katie, so one of the true crimes I listen to morbid, can they have, I mean, just the name of that? No, yeah, out, yeah, done. What's funny is they have personalities like ours, and that's why it's fun to listen to, because they'll, like, start the show, and they'll be like, and you're listening to more, I sound weird. You sound weird. By the way. We're going to talk about someone who died, and they're just, they're so funny. As people, obviously the stories, and they'll say that they're like, Okay, you know, like, let's get serious, because it's a serious thing that happened. But like, as people, they're just really fun to listen to. Listen to. Well anyway, they have a segment called listener tales that they do once a month, and sometimes they're themed. So I listened to one, and it was basically people's letters or emails about brushes with murderers or serial killers that they didn't know, like it was their neighbor, or they met the person at whatever, and got a weird vibe so they didn't go home with them or something. And it's like, literally, like, piles and piles of these letters of like, close calls. Basically, scary, scary, scary. I told you my next door neighbor saw somebody she dated on Unsolved Mysteries. Yes, like that, yikes. Girl trying to let her to Bourbon. No, no, she shouldn't. I don't too scary, like too scary. So I wrote down one more heart toward the end. Okay, so there's this scene in Dawson's room where they're kind of Dawson and Joe are sort of decompressing the night. Joey decides to spend the night, which and I'm thinking to myself, Yes, girl, do not get in. I know a rowboat. I always call it a canoe. They don't get in any sort of water vessel alone, alone in the dark, and take yourself home. So, yes, stay with Dawson. So she decides to stay. And they're like, talking about the night, and she had scared him earlier by falling out of a closet, like, looking like she was dead. And he was upset. She goes, you almost looked sad. And he's like, he goes in this whole thing about how it'd be the worst thing that ever happened to him, if you know, yeah, she died, yeah. And she's like, wow. And I'm thinking, Well, I would think you would not, but still, it's sweet that he's like, making such a big deal out of it. And then he says to Joey, well, well, what about me? Would you be sad if I died and her fate I know just this like, hats off to her, because her acting in that moment was amazing. It's like a half smile, half terror at the thought of him dying and then almost within a split second, her trying to control it all. So, yeah, see it on her face, yeah? And obviously you can see in that second or two that it would be the worst thing that's ever happened. Or then she says, like, Oh, I'd be devastated. I'd cry forever, blah, blah, blah, but just that look, that was good, yeah, right. She didn't have to say anything, and you knew what she was thinking, one of my favorite parts of this, the last few episodes of this season, is you for Katie Holmes, specifically, you can tell how much her acting abilities improved, yes, and I don't know if she had a coach or whatever, if it's just she got more comfortable. Yeah, could be both in, like, the last few up. I can't wait till you watch the next one. I'm so excited, so and then I just had a heart for the ending, even though it was, like, terrifying because they show they turn on the news, and she's like, see real life scary, and they're showing the lady killer they think. And it's the guy you know played, and you had seen his, like, sweater and coat when he was talking to Joe, and he's wearing those things, and he's arrested in Cape side, which is where they're from, and their faces, I think once I knew Cliff was the caller and the note thing, oh, so actually, what I thought to myself, because we were almost at the end of the episode and they hadn't shown the creepy guy from the grocery store parking lot, I was like, Oh, I wonder if he comes into the next episode, right? Like, is it just gonna be like, ooh. And then all of a sudden he's back, where you see him talking to Joey. And then in the last one minute, minute, yeah, they show that. I was like, Okay, we tied that up. But that's really scary. So that was really good. And so is the next one the season finale, or is there one more? Oh, is it this is a pageant. One is next stop? Yeah, you're gonna tell me anything. I can't anything else. I love it so much, I'm telling you, oh, I

Dani Combs: 19:43

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