Dawson's Creek, S1 E10: Double Dates and Unanswered Calls

What's worse than getting dumped? Going on a double date with your ex's new crush. But Dawson is here for it -- and you know what? We are too. Join us as we discuss Dawson's Creek, Season 1, Episode 10.

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Katie Parsons: 0:00

Hello listeners, and welcome to nostalgic or problematic a generation in between, sub series, Micro Series, where we are discussing season one of the xennial Classic, Dawson's Creek, and we have made it to double digit. I know there's only a few more left. I think I looked when I was on Amazon Prime, by the way, that's where we're watching. It is on Amazon Prime, and it's 13 episodes, yeah, season one. So we are discussing Episode 10 today.

Dani Combs: 0:30

The last few episodes are some of my favorite ones, really, yeah, because I I looked ahead to see which one was next, and won't tell you. Don't tell me it was a Oh, I think it was the wagon handle. Oh, so, as y'all know, we had horrible sound issues. Last we did a couple episodes. So, so sorry, but Katie's amazing husband did some fixing, and so did Katie. They worked together to make our sound amazing. So hopefully this sounds glorious, and you guys are just gonna be like, Wow, what we're ever listening to before? That's what I think is gonna happen. I know. Okay, so Episode 10 is entitled double date. Yeah, I don't have the summary. I do Yes, do it. Okay? Dawson arranges a double date with Jen and her new boyfriend. That was fast an extra credit assignment brings Pacey and Joey together. Best thing ever, by the way, yes, so know that it's Jen's new boyfriend. I know I got a date on a clip. I'm just mad because it's Scott Foley, and I want him to be my boy. I knew it. I was like, here come Scott Foley again. He's back. Scott Foley and Dawson's dad all in the same episode. I mean, I do like Dawson's dad, but Scott Foley is not for me. Okay, that's all right for me. It's for me. Um, he has another weird name. It's like, Cliff. I forget this full name in this episode because I turn on the captions just so, like, I don't miss anything you do. Cooper does that, yeah. So I see, like, the full names that they say. Remember how we were saying last time it was like, Warren Jeffreys or whatever the heck his name was, and we're like, what are these names? Cliffs? Is something weird too? Yeah, it is. Oh, so that's why you're always able to write down their quotes, because you have on the captions, you can just pause it. Yes, that's correct. Captions distract me. I get that. And like, My husband doesn't like them because they tell you what they're gonna say beforehand, so you can't really, like, watch the acting. I don't know, I feel like I can watch both, but I understand that. I mean, I'm lucky that I don't need them right now. But like, my family always makes fun of me because I, like, I don't have the best hearing me either. And so I listen to stuff so loud. They're like, just turn the captions on. I'm like, Yeah, I don't want to. So one day I'm gonna have to do it. But I like, I will just sit there and read. Like, I just get too focused on reading. Maybe that's the ADHD brain. Like, you can't, like, do one or the other, I don't know, yeah, but anyway, I feel like I can do both so and, like, in my house, it's not even, like a loudness issue, it's layers of sound. So for example, sometimes I'll watch stuff when my husband's, like, watching a hockey game in the next room, and then I also hear someone in the kitchen making something, you know, like eight or nine at night, right? And then, like, my dog is, like, snoring next to me. And so for me to just on hearing alone be able to understand what's going on with all that tertiary sound is, is like a possible and then I finished Dawson's Creek early this morning. So my thing was, I didn't want it super loud, because I was the only one up, and so I turned on, what is happening? What was that noise? Oh, my God. What was that? That was really weird. What was sorry, we just heard this weird, like, scratchy noise. If a mouse comes out of somewhere, I'm out of here. So what a morning this is we're recording on a Saturday morning, which we don't usually do. No, we're waiting for our friends, Patrick and Dana, okay, okay, start and all right, it's gonna peak while, yeah, if there's a mouse, wave at me and I'm out. Oh, right. So this episode, we already said was about actually had a lot of happies. I only had a few, a few saddy faces. Okay, Katie, is there any mouth? See anything? Oh, geez, literally nothing. So I think we're I think we're okay, okay. I think we're okay. I'll keep my eyes and ears open. Alert. All right. So I also probably need to discuss the idea that this room might be haunted. No, I'm not even putting that in because that last episode, yeah, there was some like, weird breathing and laughing going on, which is Mike issue. But there were some other sounds in there. I don't know. Okay, I don't want to know that. Okay. Anyway. Okay, start first happy. Well, not happy, okay, so let me fix it, because it's not happy or sad, it's happy face, sad face. My first nostalgic moment was the whole awkward post breakup. Let's just be friends, yep, because it never works guys when you're a teenager. Well, okay, let me rewind. I. Will give my oldest some credit, because him and his girl he had as his first, like, big girlfriend, and they they broke up, and they are still able to be cordial. Now, they're not friends like, they're not texting each other, like, Let's hang out, right? So, but like that whole, can we just be friends? Like, I remember, do you I remember that was moment that I totally do, just in general, from dating as a teenager, yeah, like college, you know, we both what got married in our 20s? Yeah, so. But like, I one of my my first heart was just when Joey was telling him all the different steps of what's gonna happen. And she's like, and inevitably, she's gonna ask to be your friend. And he's like, No, whatever, whatever. And then, like, that's like, I have something to ask you. Can we be friends? But I think maybe, like, I can think of people. I mean, at this point, 20 years ago, I dated, but like, that are friends of mine. I wouldn't say we hang out, but like, I follow them on Facebook or whatever, but there's no way I could have been those people's friends immediately, like, that's come out of, like, time and distance and like letting the feelings die. There's no way you can go from especially, and I talk about this more in my notes, as we go on in a relationship that, to me, was very one sided. Oh yeah, I wrote later. I mean, I might as well say it now, especially, like in the Ferris wheel scene, which we'll get to, I don't think that Jen is attracted to him at all. I know no vibe that there's attract I think she wants to be. Do you know, like, I think about like, not to skip ahead, but like with Pacey and the Joey situation, we'll talk about that in a second. But, you know, there's people who are just such nice people, and they Yeah, you that you want to be attracted to them when you're of a certain age, but you just aren't. It's just not there. I had a friend in in high school. His name was BJ, and he was the sweetest guy who's so funny. We went to a dance together, and, like, we just had fun. He's a great singer. Like, we had so much fun. He was so much fun to be around. I just did not feel that way about him, yeah? And he had a crush on me and told me. And I was like, Why did you do that? Yeah, right. And I was like, I wish I could. I just don't. I just can't. And I feel like, that's Jen. Like, I think so too. And I think she's also trying to be the kind of person that would like a Dawson, right, considering, but that's like, a personal growth era that right in it's not, you know, anyway, so I just, I just thought Joey in that scene when she was saying, this is all gonna happen, and we already talked about this. But my second thing I really liked was Dawson's dad. And then, okay, okay, so this is it, this is it first minute or so, because, you know, they do those opening credits where it's like, the names and stuff, so it's literally Dawson's dad on screen, and then it says Scott Foley, like that. He's right there in the episode. And I was like, Scott Foley in the credits. Yes, I'm here. That's it. I am paying attention. I am paying attention. All right, so what else do you have? One like an observation when I have the ones that aren't good or bad. I said, what did we think of pacey's advice to get Jen back when he was like, so here's what you got to do, Dawson, you got to ask someone else out. I don't like that. I wrote that as a frowny. Like using, using another girl for a revenge date. Yeah, I don't like that. Think he was the reason I was like, not total X on it is only because I think Pacey was trying to help in the best way he could. Yeah, and be like, hey, there's more people out there. But then he was like, like, if it would have just been that, like, get out there, see who's out there. But it was like, do this with the intent to make Jen jealous. That's what I'm saying. And it's like you're just using somebody and their feelings, you know, for your benefit, yeah, and for your, you know, processing or whatever, absolutely that is a problematic thing. I didn't like that, yeah? Um, I put Mary Beth is adorable. She's so cute. The familiar to you. She did look familiar. I don't know what else I've seen her in. Yeah, I didn't even look her up. I should. I was, I was literally doing 500 things while I was watching this, yeah, like I was putting my color conditioner. From, y'all have seen pictures of me? I have pink hair. That is just, it's like, from overtone conditioner. Feel free to pay me money overtone. Anyway. It's just, I have to put it on every so often. And I was in my bathroom with the the iPad here. Then I was taking, as it was, like, all in my hair processing. I was taking my nail polish off and trimming my nails. Yeah, so you're like, also watching Dawson's, yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I love it, so I did not Google who she was. No me either. Does she come back? Is that kind of someone? Okay? Well, maybe we still will just follow up. I do have, I had, I love Pacey and Joey's little back and forth banter, because it's so. Style check of all the rom com slash drama movies of the 90s. Like, 10 Things I Hate About You. You've Got Mail where it's just like, like, oh, I can't stand you, but then I do like you. You're like, matching like, whip for whip for wit. Yeah, it was, I just love it. I just thought it was really fun. I laughed so hard when they were doing the snails. I know what you're gonna say. I think I have it. She was like, so you tried to have a snail menace. I had a snail. Minaja, toa, that crack. I was like, such a teen boy thing to do, right? Like, like, add another girl in the mix to see if that helps. And then the one girl snails just gonna eat all the snails, which wouldn't be so great. That was so funny. She's like, Do you know what a carnivor carnivorous snail is? And I'm like, raising my hand, oh, I do that same kind of scene when Joey tells Pacey he'll be the leader of the morons in summer school. Because he's like, only morons go to summer school. She's like, well, you're on track to be their leader. Like, kind of what you were saying that they're back and forth. I thought it was really, really good. Oh man, I can't that was so it just made me laugh, because, like, that's such a teen boy thing to do, yeah, like, and then he ruins everything, and then he ruined it. Oh, yeah, all of it. Um, I also said back to Mary Beth, her outfit at the carnival. Oh, I know, with the like, little colored shirt jacket, I just thought she was so cute. She was cute. And I think, I mean, they casted her well, because she was able to embody that like, you know, just kind of like average teen girl, dirty in the cave side or whatever. And speaking of the Carnival, that was another nostalgic for me, because every year, so any of my people out there who are from my hometown of slew will know this, they there was a big, giant Catholic Church. There's many Catholic churches. There's one that was bigger than others. They and they had their campus, or whatever was on a big had some big land. So they would do a fair every year, like a carnival, like a huge where rides and all. It got bigger and bigger every year, st Margaret, Mary fair. It was in the fall, and that was the place to be my whole childhood and teen life. I never didn't go, like, and they would be there for like a weekend, or maybe it was, I don't remember if it was set up longer than that, because, like, now, you know, fairs come and they stay for like a month. It's like crazy. And that was, yeah, it was short. And I, as soon as I saw them, I was like, Oh, st market, very fair. Like, I went every year from the time I can remember living there like my whole life. So, yeah, we had a big Catholic church that did that too. I think really, people called it the Queen's fest because it was queen of All Saints, was the church. I would not think a queen's fest would be that Queen's fest. I don't think people realized what it sounds What if you showed up and you're like, Ah, damn it. I thought there was gonna be lots different, not the Queen's Fest at the Catholic church that I was hoping for. Oh yeah. But same thing, I feel like it was there maybe a couple days, yeah, maybe like, a place to go, the place to be. My parents weren't really into all that, so I would have to go, like, friends, families, yeah, I can remember. I mean, hello. And then as a teen, I would just like, Go by yourself, my friends, yeah, I swear I remember just getting dropped off there. Like, I I'm pretty sure, like, yeah, like, my parents probably like, once I was a little bit older, like, yeah, say a little bit older, like, in fifth grade, yeah, once I was 11, once I was double digits, yeah, exactly. I got dropped off because 80s parenting was power and numbers, so as long as you had other children, other people there, yeah. I mean, it's still, I know, you know, it's still okay. So another one from the carnival that I have, Scott Foley throwing baseballs, Katie. I loved it. It was so good, and I'm allowed to, because he was, like, 35 I filmed these episodes, so it's okay. I mean, he wasn't that old, but not fully, like, I know you had Dawson. How are you trying? I mean, out throws, that was me a break, also dying laughing, like, after we had, like, a whole episode where they we know that Dawson is not athletic, and there's nothing wrong with that, by the way, everyone I am not either, like, seriously, I am worst player at every single sport known to man. Promise 100% and people are always like, Oh, but you're a personal trainer. I'm like, okay, but that's not sports, right? Sport, you're not repeating your trainer, yes. Anyway, he goes out there to the thing, and he's like, I'm gonna get this. And I was like, oh, Dawson, and then he got it, like, he got the last thing. Like, no, it was so like, chariots of fire moment where it's like, is the hero gonna win? And then, and then it's like, and then, so what if that's what I said? And he, like, looks at Jen, and then it's like, a whole uncomfortable thing. He actually had that as a frowny face. Yeah, I did. Because I said. That's like, and the girls even call they're like, oh, it's like, a pissing contest, I would say. So, yeah, yeah, classic pissing contest. They called attention to that because I was like, that's such, like, a toxic masculinity thing, yeah, to, like, show your physical prowess over another Yeah. And if you didn't watch it and you're just listening. So Dawson's character, Dawson, and then the character that Scott Foley plays, Cliff. They're at this carnival, and they're throwing baseballs at, I don't know what, like wooden bottles. They're meant to look like bottles. And the more you knock over, you win like a prize. And so cliff, who's like, on the baseball team, is like, really good at it. Then Dawson kind of challenges him to it. It's really, really dumb. It's really dumb. It'd be like, but if I challenge somebody says, any sports related anything? Yeah, they'd be like, great. Like, for instance, my family, like, when we were on our cruise, went on vacation not too long ago, and we were just playing ping pong. Now, everybody else in my family is very good at sports, all three of them, and they're also very competitive. I'm also not super competitive. So nobody wants me on their team, right? Ever for valid, like, totally does not hurt my feelings. We were playing ping pong, and they were like, Oh, I guess I don't remember who skema was on, and maybe it was I ended up with my husband, because he's like, Don't worry, I'll just hit all of them. I was like, that'll work. I'll just stand here. Yeah. Anyway, that's awesome. All right. What else you got I had, I like, when they're in the parking lot and Mary Beth, Mary Beth and Dawson, because she sees this moment where he's trying to give the stuffy to Jen, whatever. And so next thing you know, they're in the parking lot, they're having this, like, heart to heart, and she's like, Oh no, I knew you were still hung up on Jen. I shouldn't have come so first of all, she admits that she has a huge crush on Cliff, right? So it made me feel like, good, like, I was like, okay, they're both kind of using the other to like whatever. And then she says to Dawson, I wrote down the quote, Do I like you? No, or do? She goes, Do I like you? Yes. Do I like like you? No, you're a little too neurotic. And I was like, You go, girl, like, she's just, like, very clear. Like, no, I don't like you in that way. Good, you know? Like, yeah, I just thought that that was a really, really good line. But then just observation time, wait, wait for this one. I'm excited. So many solid red shirts in this episode. Did you notice that did not Dawson had one on in the opening scene, Joey had one on later, who also have Mary Beth was wearing one at one point, and Pacey had one on at one point. I think Dawson's dad did too literal. Just solid red shirts, but not in the same scene. What a funny thing to notice. And then I was like, why? After a while, I was like, this has to be on purpose, right? Or was red just like in, probably was thin, probably just in it's what J Crew had on the rack that week. So maybe the customer was just in a red mood. Who knows? Yeah, maybe, who knows? I mean, okay, very funny. What else do you have for things that you liked? You know? What's weird? I have just, I feel like we were just kind of going back and forth here, haven't we? Okay? So I was, I remember back in 1998 when this episode originally aired. I was so here or there, I should say for the Pacey Joey tension. I loved it, and I still love it today, too. And I actually remember back then being all about like the Ooh, Pacey Joey. Jen Dawson, ooh, like that whole love triangle, square, whatever. So that was nostalgic for me, because I made me remember, oh yeah, this was a fun time back in the good old 1998 Yes. Well, I was thinking that too. I wrote down that I like that. Obviously, there's several scenes between Joey and Pacey in this episode, but this really sweet scene back at Joey's house. Oh yeah, when they're talking, and pacey's like, Well, what did you get on the midterm? And finally, she admits she got a 98 he's like, Well, why are you doing extra credit? And she has that whole little speech about, I've got to get out of here. My only way out is a scholarship. I need 100% on everything. And him just kind of like being like, I mean, then later, you know, he's like, Oh, I actually think I like her, but this was before that, yeah? And he's kind of just as a friend, being like, yeah, you're gonna get out of here. Like, you're like, the smartest person ever, you know. And I just thought that the whole Joey's not often vulnerable, right? And for her to kind of have that moment where she's like, I have to be perfect at this stuff, and here's why. And to really, like, articulate that well, and him to sort of be a safe space. Of her to do that. Yeah, of all people, I just thought that was really, really a sweet scene. I liked that. Yeah, I did too, but I will say frowny face problematic was him peeping on her when she was changing clothes. Oh no, especially after he said he wouldn't, I know, I didn't like that. And then they made it like some cute moment, and then they like the music was, like a weird song, yeah? Like the lyrics were said, like, I want to be your wet t shirt, and then some random underwear phrase. I was like, I did not know, but yeah, oh my god. I was like, it was. Weird. It was the weirdest song, and it just made it even creepier. But like, I didn't like that, how they made that look like some it's okay to do like, Oh, look how cute. He's peeping at her naked. Like, no, when she already said when she full time, if I catch you looking you're dead or whatever. And he's like, I'm not. I'll go on the thing, yeah, I will say the peeping bad, but I did have a heart by just the the storytelling of them naked, wrapped in blankets, having to drive in the truck, that was funny. I did like that. I thought that was funny. I didn't like that. He was being creepy. But I liked that. Like, it was, like, I don't know, just like this idea that they had to, like, wade through this cold water and now they're wrapped in blankets in a pickup truck, like, driving to get clothes, and they hate and they hate each other, correct? So I thought that that part was actually kind of funny. That made me Chuck it was funny. I but I would, I would kept thinking, like, why did they just wrap up in the blanket you already have take your clothes off? Like, I would not have taken my clothes off. I don't think I would have either, like, although I'm like, I would have, like, what they were waiting through. Though I may have felt just like grossed out, but I guess it depends. We don't know how far Joey's house is. Like, if it's like a five minute drive, just put the blanket in a blanket, like, come on. I know, I know. It was a bit much. I didn't mind it. It was funny. I only have a couple more things, okay, uh, actually, I have a few. Um, oh. I only have one more thing I wrote down. So go ahead, I already talked about this, but observation that it just seems like Jen doesn't really like Dawson in that way. So we talked about that. Oh, I like the scene where then later Pacey tries to kiss Joey, and she kind of like, what are you doing? And he shouldn't have necessarily tried to do that without consent. So there's a whole discussion there that we can get into. But when she was like, No, that was kind of it, yeah. Like, he wasn't like, What do you mean? Like, you've been flirting with me all day. He was just like, oh man, okay, I'm not like, come on, yeah, or like, trying again. It was very much just like, Oh, you don't feel that way. You don't want to kiss me, okay, oh, and I felt so bad for him, me too, because that happened to me in my life before, yeah, and that is so it is, like, the worst, like, when you feel that way about somebody, because I already talked about when somebody felt that way about me, but I had it happen in reverse, too, and it's like, oh, and you, especially if you're under the misunderstanding that they they are going to reciprocate and they don't. And you're like, play totally. I think it's all been there so bad, different levels of it, yeah, like, it's so embarrassing. So when I was in college, there was this, he was a grad student, so I would have been probably, like 20 when I met him, he was probably 23 or 24 and he had, like, an office because he helped with all the different, like clubs, part of what he did like for getting his degree. So, so cute. And I stumbled upon him because I was an officer in my sorority, and so I would be down there, so I would go and just like, hang out with him. I was single at the time. I was going out, probably drinking, I don't know if I was 21 yet, but, and we just had the best time. So my sorority, I mean, this is months that I would like go there, and I suppose we could have, like, texted each other or whatever. But we never, like, shared numbers or anything texted then Katie, no, nobody did. Nobody did. So we would just literally see each other if I would stop in, and every now and then be like, Oh, what are you up to this weekend? You know, stuff like that. But we never made plans outside that, but like, kind of what you were saying. So finally, my sorority was having to dance, oh no. And I was like, You should come with me. And he was like, Oh, I have a girlfriend. Oh, and I remember just being like, what? Well, really embarrassed, but also like, you're not kind of acting like you have a girlfriend, unless, literally you just like, I mean, nothing physical had happened, right? But there was something I felt like was there, so I stopped going there as much. Really bad job. Thank you. Like, she's getting, like, comfortable all over right now. Like that story, because we've all been there, like months in the process of no trying to get up the courage to be nice. I think we like each other. Let's do something about it. And him being like, Oh no, I don't like that at all. What are you talking about? I have a girlfriend. Oh my gosh, anywho. Yeah, okay. Oh. So then I had one more heart, and I just had that final scene where Dawson's parents are at the end dancing, and then they just let the phone ring, yeah? And I just wrote that I felt it felt very intentional, yeah, that they were trying to just focus on each other. And obviously, earlier in the episode, the dad was having trouble because the guy she had an affair with had called the house about something worth pretty ballsy. I had that as an X. I don't think it's necessarily problematic, but it's just something I hated. I would like this do. Dude needs to calm down so ballsy, like, but he was the Dawson's dad was obviously really struggling with that and the jealousy surrounding it, like, the whole episode. So for him to just be, like, whatever, nothing matters, but me being here with you right now, like, felt so nice, yeah? And like, that's got to be. Like, we've talked about how that whole storyline, yeah, of them both trying to get past that is so nuanced and well written, I think, you know, and I don't think I noticed when I was young, sorry, I just Yeah, no, I was just gonna say, I may be a little cheesy. They're standing there dancing and the phone's ringing. But I was like, No, that's there. You're they're not just, they could have just had them standing there dancing and to be like, Oh, good. They're working on it. But they make a choice in that moment. And I just thought that that was like, so great. I really like that. I agree. And then do you have more problematic? Or that was literally, let me see if I had anything we haven't talked about yet. I'm excited. So I didn't have that many. I'm like, so nice on these episodes where there's no teacher, no pedophilia, I'm like, it's so nice. It's wild. I already just said Bob, calling the house I was Bob, the H out of here, Bob. What are these names? They're so bad. You know, speaking about back on the FARA situation, I don't think as a young teen, well, I wasn't a young teen, but as a teen, I didn't fully like pay attention to that storyline as much right as I do now, because they're our age, right, and they've been married to their partners for about as long as we have been married to ours. And so like, and we have kids Dawson's age and like, it hits different. It does? It does? It hits different now, because you picture your you immediately picture yourself like in that situation. Like, what would I do? I think too, at the age when this first came out, my mentality was always like, Oh well, if someone cheats on you get divorced. You get divorced. You guys just so easy, like, and so I don't recall necessarily how I felt about this storyline, but if I had to guess, it was very much like, oh, well, like, I wouldn't stay with like, what's the big deal? Move on. That's probably how I felt. And now, I mean, not that, not that there's anything wrong with getting divorced in that situation, absolutely not. But it's a it's more nuanced than that. Well, it's just harder. Like you said, you put yourself in that situation and you're like, Well, yeah, I would feel like doing this, but we share a house, we share kids. We have, you know, like, we had 20 years together, yes, that's, you know, and so it does make you more like, er, I don't know. I guess I understand why they're working on it, or, you know, trying, or at least trying, yeah, yeah, um, the only other kind of like x that I had, and again, I think it has to do with, well, actually, I had two. I just realized that I had two when they're on the Ferris wheel and Dawson ends up sitting next to Jen on ferris wheel stop, so now you're stuck, and they have to have this conversation. First of all, I didn't like that. I don't think you should ever like corner someone. Maybe it wasn't their fault i ferris wheel stop. But I was just like, oh, this is really gross. Put her in a bad put her in a bad spot. Don't bring that up then. And then he's like, demanding, like, a reason. And I just wrote, you don't have to have a reason to break up with someone. And he's like, You said you wanted to be alone, but now look at you. You're on a date. It's like, which is true. Dawson, take a hint. But also none your business, none of your business. She broke up with you right period. And like, why are you trying to make her say something that's gonna hurt your feelings? Because you know it's coming, it's gonna hurt your feelings. And also, like, we've said, Jen's going through things she might not even know, right? She might be like, I think I like Dawson, but I don't know, so I'm gonna do the right thing and break up with him. And then when he's demanding, but then, like, Cliff asked her out. She's like, Well, I think I want to do that too. Like, that's okay, yeah, and it's normal, none for that age, for, like, what she's going through, the only other part. And then once it was kind of explained, I didn't hate it as much. Was when Pacey asked permission to, like, have feelings for Joey from Dawson like that. I didn't like it at first, because it was very like, can I, like, get with this girl? And they were like, kind of like, talking about her without her there. And I didn't like that. But then when he elaborated, and he was like, I'm asking because we're friends, right? We're friends Dawson and Pacey, I want to overstep. And if you are, yeah, if you have feelings like this, then I don't want to overstep. So I think maybe it was just a phrasing of it caught me off guard, like, if you say yes, then yes, it's happening, which obviously Dawson was like, I'm fine with it. And then he wasn't, and then he was and then he wasn't, but anyway, and then at the end of it, it was Joey's choice, and it was a no. So I was like, okay, that ended up being fine, but I don't know, it's just something about the wording of it, like, Oh, y'all are just kind of like, talking about who this person's allowed to be with, and the person's not there. Yeah, I don't know. It just struck me weird. But I mean, even Dawson said, like, well, she you can do whatever you want. Like, Joey is her own person. I think I didn't write it down, but I think he was just trying. To make sure, which I thought was good, that you you know, we're not breaking any kind of, like, getting in the way of something that could happen if you're afraid, like somebody, yeah, because I think we all have known people, or maybe have been the person who did not care and just have proceeded and let people get hurt. And that's not good. So that's not good that's not a good thing. So I thought, especially as a 15 year old boy, to have that awareness of which y'all know, was probably not realistic. Pacey strikes me as being pretty enlightened. I mean, Dawson is too. Dawson just gets in his own way because he's so everything's emotion based. Pacey is a little, to me, a little bit more of a realist, yeah, more of like, I'm, I'm asking you about Joey, not because I think there's some fairy tale love thing that I could be interrupting, but literally, like, if you have feelings, I don't want to hurt your feelings, right? So I don't know. I just try anyway. Look at these details. That's a pretty good. That was a pretty good episode. And since you said the next few ones are some of your favorites, I am so excited for more well and in season one and season one, yeah, season one, that's fair. Yeah, all right. Well, hopefully you're enjoying whether you're watching with us or not. Hopefully we sound better. I hope we're gonna see you know, soon, and if the mice and ghosts don't get us, she will see you next time. Yeah, Dawson's a three more episode 11, and we'll talk to you guys later. Yeah, all right. Bye. You.